Doug Batchelor - Women's Ordination in the SDA Church
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- Опубліковано 29 тра 2015
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Ordination of women in the SDA church is a contested issue that will be addressed in the next SDA General Conference Session. Doug Batchelor is clearly in the camp that ordination of women does not conform with Biblical principals and it defies the history of principals that the SDA church was founded upon. - Навчання та стиль
Thank you, Pastor Doug, because most of our pastors are not teaching this. Bible truth
We need to adhere to the unity that the apostles set. They are our elders. We have to obey our elders. Our culture changes but God and his church does not. If we can make excuses for one scripture then we have permission to make excuses for all of them. Do not be conformed to the pattern of this world!,!! We cannot make Gods word out to be subject to interpretation. It is not!!! We need to obey every word!! It has no holes!! I am a women and I would rather prophecy anyway!!! It's way better than ordination or teaching!! We avoid all the responsibility and we get all the cool jobs like prophecy, intercessory, and prayers of healing! We can do so much more without having to have our heads on the responsibility chopping block!! Like James says it is better for you not to teach!!! I would rather be submissive and not have to worry! If a man treats me in any way other than the way Christ treated the church then he is sinning and will come under the discipline of God! God lets us have all choice! All freedom! But we all have to be responsible for our choices! A true relationship is one where the man does not delig in his authority as to stir up annoyance but delights only in his name being written in the lambs book of life! Jesus commanded them to behave like Jesus did and Christ did not even let his church wash his feet! He served and served and gave his life for the church, relax women! God is on our side! Pray like the parable of the persisten widow for justice in your relationships and your church and it will come! God does not approve of us having to be treated like a child or a slave! We are free indeed! We have the easy part and without all the responsibility!
Where's the rest of the sermon ? It cuts off at 54:55 but there's more to this !
This is 9 years ago and LOOK AT US NOW😢😢😢
I’m looking for a video from pastor Doug where he shows statistics from other denominations regarding Women ordination prior to accepting homosexuality. Does anyone have the link?
Here's the Link ua-cam.com/video/nCGrzd_iJu0/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/FTqloG41qeg/v-deo.html
I think that's why Doug used the word "typically".
What does GOD's promise in Hosea 2:11 and what Jesus Christ did per Colossians 2:14-17 have in common???
These verses you are referencing have nothing to do with this topic. They are referring to the ceremonial laws
Thanks Pr Doug for bringing out the truth.
Hi Win With Leads,
Nice to meet you,
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I want to put French subtitles to your video and i think there could be 2 solutions :
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Thank you !
But we will all be made the same in eternity. No marriage no more child birth. How can I answer this argument?
I don't think we will all be made the same. We will be 'like the Angels'. We don't know exactly what that physical description is but we will be perfect and through the Bible it shows there are different responsibilities for Angels
I am glad doug batchelor teaches the bible and although it can be scary to still be willing to stick what the bible teaches
can women be ordained as elders and deaconesses in the church
no, not neither. 1 timothy 3:8-13
No.
Nope. When there is no pastor the head elder takes over. The head elder not there, then the next elder takes over. So no. No difference for pastors and elders. Thats why the whole issue is so twisted. Churches are ordaining women as elders but not pastors. All starts with our culture today. Not biblical at all
Thank you pastor for stating the obvious, the word of God will never change regardless to how the world changes. May God give us all courage to always stand by the word of God and never to compromise
Allow me to be insensitive/BLUNT, Eve did her thinking with a head that was to big for her shoulders and Adam did his thinking with his little head! Not to much has changed since then, most women still do their thinking with a head that is still to big for their shoulder's and most men still do their thinking with their little head!!! Watch a couple of UA-cam Video's in order to both determine how you think and what you think, 'The Future of Unity & the Trail of the 🐍 Serpent 🐍- Judgement Hour', and 'Did Jesus Create Everything? by Disciple John', it is the video with the light blue ☁️ cloud ☁️ on the cover.
Thank you Pastor Doug for speaking truth.
Yes Pastor Doug Batchelor exposed and talked but not attacked .. same thing with Mark Finley though I have never seen him expose womens ordination ..
Jeremiah 44:15-30
King James Version
15 Then all the men which knew that their wives had burned incense unto other gods, and all the women that stood by, a great multitude, even all the people that dwelt in the land of Egypt, in Pathros, answered Jeremiah, saying,
16 As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the Lord, we will not hearken unto thee.
17 But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil.
18 But since we left off to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, we have wanted all things, and have been consumed by the sword and by the famine.
19 And when we burned incense to the queen of heaven, and poured out drink offerings unto her, did we make her cakes to worship her, and pour out drink offerings unto her, without our men?
20 Then Jeremiah said unto all the people, to the men, and to the women, and to all the people which had given him that answer, saying,
21 The incense that ye burned in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem, ye, and your fathers, your kings, and your princes, and the people of the land, did not the Lord remember them, and came it not into his mind?
22 So that the Lord could no longer bear, because of the evil of your doings, and because of the abominations which ye have committed; therefore is your land a desolation, and an astonishment, and a curse, without an inhabitant, as at this day.
Smh
Lets start a talk with a red herring approach right out of the gate. I wonder if brother Doug has a quote from sister White to back up his ideas. The question that needs to be answered is can women be disciples? If the answer is yes then they are commanded to go and preach, teach and baptize. This is a command from Christ.
We’re ALL called to be DISCIPLES, that does not mean we all then called to be ORDAINED PASTORS of the Church.
Heresy
@@deus_vult8111 What does it mean to be Ordained? Is the concept from the Bible or is it a hold over from the catholic church? What authority does a pastor have vs a disciple? Disciples preached, baptized and taught doctrine.
@@Diamond_6IX Heresy means to think for yourself, in the catholic church that is not allowed.
Galatians 3:26-28 KJV
[26] For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
[27] For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
[28] There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
You are interpreting that wrong its not about leading or preaching
@@hopelovegood8131agrees
Which toilets do you use at Church? Men's or ladies? We are made male and female from creation.
These verses are for salvation, we are not judged by male female jew or Greek, we are judged by in Jesus, or not in Jesus
should women be ordained as deacons (Deaconesses)
no, it is not biblical. the bible only refers to male deacons. 1 timothy 3:8-13
Yes, paul talks about women deacons
@@jacksondaniel8480 where does Paul talk about women deacons?
I am a sincere supporter of Pastor Batchelor. I I find that his messages are a true blessing. However,
I earnestly question this message regarding women and ordination. With regard to the women in the Bible times, it should be considered, I believe, that women were mainly caregivers and homemakers. they were not even given the opportunity to be educated, let alone go to university or earn a degree in anything, Does not the fact that there were Prophetesses, sincere, divinely inspired, gifted female leaders in the Bible prove that God really had no problem with women leading out and ministering as
divinely ordained leaders? Many things were not suggested or required by God at specific periods, not because He was against that specific thing, but because of the state His people were in and things that were deeply ingrained in them, ex. multiple wives. Many divinely inspired leaders had several wives, yet God used them in very special ways to minister to and lead His people. One might determine that this proves that He condoned or accepted multiple wives, which is not at all true.
Should it not be considered that, since many things have changed since Bible times, women are highly
educated, some men are not qualified or interested in ministry or leadership, many women are obviously divinely inspired and gifted in minstry? In addition, in many countries, our men of ministry have been persecuted and jailed, leaving flocks without spiritual leaders. Their churches continue
to thrive, even under cover, because some strong and divinely inspired women took over and is ministering to their flocks. It seems that the very fact that the prophetesses and and these women
have successfully ministered for the Lord, winning and leading souls to Jesus, is evidence that God has ordained them. I look forward to your response. Thank you.
The word of God and God himself doesn’t change with times.
This is the arguement, times have changed.... God's instructions have not changed. The real question is... how many of our decisions are culturally changed because of change and how much is based on discovery of Bible truth. Eg 7th day Sabbath.
When speaking of being ordained specifically it is talking about being put into a certain office in the church as a pastor or elder. This does not mean that women cannot be chosen to do important things in the church
Its crazy to me that a church that was co founded by a woman. A woman who SDA's quote as having the spirit of prophecy. They hold her writings almost equal ot even equal to the writers of the Bible.
But now we can decide if women can be leaders in the church or even teach in the church?
So Biblically, you believe that women are NOT to be ordained as Elders, Pastors, or Deacons but you beileve they can braid thier hair, preach and not cover their hair?
Something seems off here.
3rd generational sda here, no one holds Ellen g white writings equal or close to writers of the Bible. What Ellen says make sense she was a regular human God used not a prophet, not a pastor jus a smart and insightful woman
The braiding of hair in the Bible refers to hairstyles that are there for show filled with jewels and not for modesty.
Sorry. But no man will ever "hold authority" over me.
Abigail Hansen have you surrendered your heart to Christ? He holds authority over all who have. If not, the devil holds authority over you. There are only two authorities; if you reject Christ, you accept satan. That is the truth. I pray if you have not, accept Christ as your Savior and be subject to His authority.
In order to let Jesus take control, you have to be willimg to relize your place. Humanity is insects coakroaches. We need to realize that. Are we to only obey what of the bible we like? Its not demeaning to humble yourself even to man.
Hi Abby,
Christ is the head of the church. We are each held accountable for our actions. I, as a Christian man don't get to boss women around just because I m a man. In Christ there is no male or female.
Exactly
Dont mistake that verse. It also says theres no greek nor jew. And yet today theres still greeks and Jews. That verse is about salvation. We are all saved by the grace and blood of Jesus. But that does not take away the differences of men and women and the roles God gave for both.
in heaven who you going to fight, you being a spirit. strength comes from the mind. your facts and points are redundant. Biblical model did not produce any fruits and cursed by Christ and fig tree died right thru the roots.(1844). old model, don't put new wine in old bottles, or old wine in new bottles. your view of the bible is skewed.
After the flood, Christ promised God the Father, Christ will work with man, He searched Noah's generation, until Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob came forth. Abraham had consecutive wives and children, Isaac had one wife, Jacob had four, Judah generation was through his sons wife and him. During this period salvation was thru families. Abraham family, Isaac's family, Jacob family, Israel's family, and it split up. At the death of Christ the covenant was broken. Then paul puts old wine into new bottles.
that lasts until 1844, prophesied, By Daniel and John. it did not produce any fruits, it was not able to produce fruits, for she was in the wilderness. after 1844 induviduals are chosen and picked one by one, not by families (revelations) by angels at the behest of father and son
When Christ died salvation was taken away from mans hands, and in 1844 Christ placed his people in his Fathershands, From where no one can remove. angels will pick them one by one , there shall be great rejoicing in heaven. They may not go through judgement, for they have been thru fire. and number of them be a scant 144,000
eric david, There is no prophecy in the Holy Bible, where Christ placed the Church in his Father's hands in the year 1844 A.D.
-- 3rd Laylah: Shanah 6021. Hhadesh 4. Laylah 16 (2017-Seven-10 22:50 CST Texas)
Can you please give scriptural reference of angels picking them up one by one
With all due respect Pastor Doug, the differences between men and women are generalizations. I know a number of men that are not cut out for farming or any kind of manual labor, irrespective of their size or build. I also know many women who, even in their 60's and 70's, are tough as nails and could give any man a run for his money. I know several widowed Polish ladies who don't need a man to do repairs around their homes. One of my good Polish friends, a 65 year-old woman, is about 4 1/2 feet tall and 80 pounds soaking wet is tough as nails. She renovated her house with no help. This included several toilets that she replaced, even lugged both toilets to the curb without any help. Many women I know can and do defend themselves without pushing a button or calling 911. I would not want to meet up with my Polish friend in a dark alley. Furthermore, my 90 year-old grandmother shovels snow, mows her grass, and still lives independently.
Your story about wearing your wife's jeans is just simply irrational. Were you really afraid that accidentally wearing her jeans was an abomination? Really? It's a pair of jeans, not her underwear. Since many styles are now becoming "unisex" anyway, what would it matter--especially if it were a mistake? I don't believe our salvation is going to be swayed by wearing a pair of pants tagged for the opposite gender. I can't help but wonder if such hype is designed to cause naïve people to become fearful. Just sayin'.
Your comment is a generalisation as well. Just cos you know a few women who can do things that man can does not change the roles assigned to man by God.
If that were the case then any statement could be considered a generalization. I know a lot of women who can (and do) do things that men do. I know a lot of men that are better at cooking, housekeeping, and are more nurturing or motherly and no, they are not gay. I know women that have to take the *male* leadership (even spiritually) role in their homes because their husbands fall short in this department. Men and women are different but more specifically, people are different. Cultural norms differ. I find the good pastors desperate attempts to prove the differences in gender to be arbitrary. Maybe he needs to go back to his cave. I've seen pictures of his family, there's no way he could mistake his wives jeans for his own. Just as I would never be able to mistake my husbands jeans for mine. I have a hard time believing this man was afraid to become an abomination for supposedly wearing ("accidentally") her jeans. For that matter, maybe she shouldn't even wear jeans. I believe the good pastor made that story up. What I mean to say is that he lied about that happening.
What I do notice though is that pastor Doug never mentions the uncomfortable truth that the Adventist church has been ordaining women pastors for many rears. In fact, I was baptized long ago by an ordained female pastor in the seventh Day Adventist Church, and she wasn't an angry lesbian who secretly wanted to be a man. All this gloom and doom about the dangers of ordaining women when we are already doing so. Has it let to ordaining homosexuals or same-sex marriage within the SDA church or polygamy, or illicit affairs, or excessive gossip, or doing away with the footwashing ceremony? The simple answer is NO.
lbliss234 forget how you feel about it personally. What does the bible say pertaining to the issue? Scripture supercedes any personal feelings that you may have. Bachelor can't make it any clearer.. what is so hard to understand about this issue for you? And to the issue of the sda churches already having "ordained" female pastors yes they do because "tradition" & the "ecumenical mind set" is what's slowly taking control of the denomination(as predicted by the bible & and spirit of prophecy).
I certainly can forget my personal convictions on this issue because it's not up to me. It's not up to you, the good pastor, or any other person to decide. The way I see it, the Lord's will is what is important here and only His will is what determines the outcome. What I think is irrelevant. But even though I might be young compared to some, I'm pretty sure that women have been serving as pastors for a very, very long time. I can attest to the fact that WO has not become the moral decay of the SDA church. I was baptized by a non-lesbian, non-man hater female pastor back in 1999 so to say that tradition and such is slowly taking over is a little off. From what I understand, women have been pastors in the SDA church for at least 40 years. People like this and others, like that Bore can push their agenda all they want. I still say that DB is using lies to promote his agenda and the bible is a lot more clear about bearing false witness than WO. Like I said, this is not up to any man/human to decide; the Lord's will will be done in this matter.
Another protestant denomination ( 32,000 and counting ) started by men about to split. Not exactly the unity Jesus prayed for in john 17:21. That unity can only be found in the Church that History traces back to Jesus starting. The Catholic Church.
Actually I don't believe you can have unity in this sinful world and in a way I think it's great that my church disagrees with each other because we believe in finding the truth and were not afraid to question our leaders where as the Catholic church beliefs are decided for you every controversial thing brought up the pope tells you what to believe like he's your God
Rob The Blue Collar Guy
history does not define the true Church. The Bible does. and even history will prove the catholic church is not the true church. the catholic church start bringing in idolatry in the church.
Rob The Blue Collar Guy... If Jesus started the catholic Church why then are you breaking all the commandments... Statues, graven images, rosary beads, confession to a priest, praying to Mary, who by the way is dead and can't hear or see, and all the other dead saints... all these are no where found in the Bible... Jesus did not start the catholic Church... Neither did Peter
Rob The Blue...JESUS founded Christianity. He the Words "Catholic" "Roman Catholic" Christ--MASS" "Valentines Day" "Assumption of the Virgin Mary" "...Hail Mary mother of God" and hundreds of other terms used in Catholicism, do not appear anywhere in the BIBLE. The Papacy/Vatican/RCC LIES to the World and tries to persuade the world that it existed longer than it did. No where in all the Bible does the word "Pope" appear either. If the Roman Catholic "Church" system existed in the time of JESUS, it would have been helping to MURDER him and would have helped NAIL both Peter and the other disciples to Crosses. Also the Roman Catholic system would have helped murder JESUS CHRIST Himself if it had existed at that time. The Proof is the 150,000,000 million to 200 mil. that were murdered since the time of Christ 31 A.D. till now, just for failure to believe the lies of Catholicism. Jesus loves you come out of BABYLON. "Thieleman Van Braght" Channel "777 Jesus Loves Me Enough To Tell Me The Truth About 666 and Mark of Beast"