The only reason I won't say Alfred is because I hold him at a higher standard than just the Batfamily. He's like the Godfather so he's in his own tier. Grayson is the greatest Bat Family member because he's basically what Batman was meant to be and shown that tragedy doesn't have to define you. However I can also make the argument for Terry Mcginus being the greatest Batfamily member because of the fact that he didn't need to pick up the mantle of Batman after getting his father killer yet, Terry gave the future a Batman when they didn't know they really needed one and unlike Bruce he's a Batman who's able to juggle being Batman and still have a relationship with his lover
Does Terry really count? He is not in main continuity. If he does count he is certainly up there in the ranking. Additionally they are excluding Batman. Which I personally feel should exclude both him and Dick Grayson.
6:05 This quote about Jason has always ticked me off because: no Bruce, I'm pretty sure it was his Mom selling him out to the Joker that got him killed, not seeing Robin as a game
If anything I’d say Jason was impatient, he wanted to help people but when he couldn’t he tended to lash out. Honestly he knows Gotham better then Batman as he is a product of its lowest level and grew up on his own. Yet when anyone mentions him as Robin they all think of him as a failure. He was betrayed by his own birth mother and even after being tortured by Joker he still tried to save her in his final moments. His death isn’t on Batman, it’s on his mother and the Joker.
I seriously think Damian isn’t that bad. He’s a child that was raised by Talia of course he is going to be ruthless and annoying. I really like his character development in the DCAMU
He isn't, he is overhated (especially by Tim fans) and dcamu doesn't even have alot of his good traits, like his pets. There would be no Batcow without Damian.
@@huntertezz I agree, it’s so sad that he didn’t get any good character development until the last film (Apocalypse War). I really want to see more of him in movies
I say give it Thomas and Martha Wayne for not only making Bruce, but also staying dead (in the main continuity) for over 80 years now. Giving the whole Bat-Family a reason in the first place for decades now.
Dont know if I'd give a definitive answer on the greatest but my top 5'd be 1. Cass cain 2. Alfred 3. Pre-N52 Tim Drake 4. Dick 5. Steph brown 5:14 tim is honestly underrated, he was literally trained by lady shiva
I have a soft spot for Helena Wayne/Huntress (Batman and Catwoman's daughter). I think she is a great potencial sucessor for Bruce. In my dream world the sucession order would be Tim Drake, then Helena would be his Robin and then became Batwoman and then Terry McGuiness takes over (he would be Helena's son and after she goes missing, he becomes Batman Beyond working with grandfather Bruce). Anyways I would love to know your guys thoughts on either Helena or this sucession line XD
Alfred, Nightwing/Dick Grayson, Jason Todd/Red Hood and Tim Drake (Pre New 52 either as Robin and Red Robin) is one my favorite characters from the batfamily
Having Alfred on this list, valid and deserved as it is, is downright unfair. He is the one true GOAT above all. Outside of him, I would say Tim is the greatest Robin, and Dick is the greatest leader. Batman recognized that Tim most likely would truly succeed him, while Dick was the ONLY ONE to truly get Damian to work with him. While everyone else was annoyed or flat out pissed off with Damian, Dick showed care, patience, and understanding to the point where Damian got along better with Dick than literally EVERYONE else, including Bruce.
Honestly I like most of them, but I tend to rarely dislike anything Batman related. I’ll do a top several though: nightwing, Tim, red hood, Barbara, Cass, Azrael(really liked him from 90’s comics), catwoman, batwing(fox version, probably Casue I love Lucius tbh), ghostMaker(really like him and the concept, know he’s divisive among fans) Edit- watched video till the end and since Alfred is included of course I’ll also pick him up
For me its nightwing. He changed batmans view for the better, he is a role model for new upcoming heroes, and he is the best fighter (other than bruce)
I wouldnt count Alfred soley because he was there before the Bat was born and all the other sidekicks to come after. He is on a level of his own in regards to the Batman mythos.
Nightwing (Dick Grayson Damian Wayne (Robin) Alfred Pennyworth Bat 🦇 Girl 👩 (Barbara Gordon) Red Hood (Jason Todd) Tim Drake (Robin) Kate Kane (Bat Woman 🧍♀️) Cassandra Cain Stephanie Brown (Bertinelli) Huntress Bat 🦇 Wing 🪽 (Luke Fox 🦊) Signal
Tim was my favorite character in comics until the 1, 2 punch of: 1. New 52 canceling him and making him a total incompetent tool in the Teen Titans. 2. And him randomly being gay now. Let’s forget the decades of him going after the ladies both in action and internal monologue. We have two instances where shippers can imagine him hooking up with Conner and Bunker between panels, so now he’s a big fan of the Grayson.
Nice video. Tho it does suck that one of the few POC of the bat family you place under the dog. Who mostly has popularity from Batman Beyond. I am shocked you didn't put batcow over him.
Alfred and Nightwing are definitely the best top picks. Alfred is Bruce's rock and has been by his side since day 1, he's the one who keeps Batman and the Batfamily together. And Nightwing is, according to Batman himself, the better version of Batman, he's Batman's greatest achievement and acts as a symbol of hope for not only for Gotham and Blüdhaven, but for the world. However someone I feel like should've gotten an honourable mention is Jason Todd. Maybe I'm biased but I feel like Jason's story of failure turning to rebirth and reform, and his growth as a character, from sidekick to tragedy, to villain to anti-hero, to redeemed hero makes him a good candidate. My bias would place him in the top 3 but realistically I'd say maybe under or tying with Cass.
I dunno, kinda disagree. Every other Batman sidekick has been able to grow into their own identity except Tim Drake and no one knows who Cassandra Cain is unless outside the comics. Commissioner Gordon also deserves a mention at least
Alfred is #1 since there would be no batfamily without him. Oracle is the most impactful member of the batfamily. So she gets #2. Dick is the best singular hero to come from the batfamily so he is 3. (However I might just exclude him because he is also batman.) Tim and Cass would be batman together in my ideal succession. So they are 3 and 4. (Or 4 and 5 if you ignored my earlier comment on dick being excluded.)
Im pretty sure Cassandra Cain has been stated by Bats she could beat him, Tim is the smartest dont kno who said he wasnt lol, and Dick Grayson the best but Ric Grayson😂😂😂 he's the worst
Honestly, having a dog as your sidekick, makes a lot more sense than having a 12 year old kid as a sidekick, especially if it was a pitbull or something
yeah I agree with this list besides the fact that jason isn’t on it, Cassandra I would say shouldn’t be on that list, she doesn’t add much to bruces emotional side but Jason does, I mean bruce has pictured killing the joker before so Jason comes back to the family completely
imo I think Jason is the best Batfamily member besides Batman himself cause he’s one of if not the most complex and I feel he has some of the best dynamics with the other members
Enjoying your content but your intro needs work guys. its not become one with the lads. its become one OF the lads and don't get me started on become a fellow Lad. No One in England/UK where you've got the term LAD from would say it in that way. and Nightwing this answer.
I think comic readers and fans just overlook Tim because his origin is so generic. A natural born detective? Lol. Even in comics thats a little far fetch. Stalking Batman and Robin to then figure out his identity. Like come on lol. Hes just too boring and generic which is why he is always left out. Every other Robin from the main 4 are way more interesting than Tim. Heck even making him bi didnt help cause he's just a boring character compared to the others.
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No Jason hurts me deeply 😭
Jason's whole thing is being a failure who doesn't work well with other.
I saw your comment and didn't even bother watching. No one is saying Jason is the best but to not include him at all is bad
@ricardochavez2946 but that's the topic of the video.
If written correctly jason would be the best
Same
The only reason I won't say Alfred is because I hold him at a higher standard than just the Batfamily. He's like the Godfather so he's in his own tier. Grayson is the greatest Bat Family member because he's basically what Batman was meant to be and shown that tragedy doesn't have to define you. However I can also make the argument for Terry Mcginus being the greatest Batfamily member because of the fact that he didn't need to pick up the mantle of Batman after getting his father killer yet, Terry gave the future a Batman when they didn't know they really needed one and unlike Bruce he's a Batman who's able to juggle being Batman and still have a relationship with his lover
agreed but i like Dick Grayson
Does Terry really count? He is not in main continuity. If he does count he is certainly up there in the ranking. Additionally they are excluding Batman. Which I personally feel should exclude both him and Dick Grayson.
Tim & Dick by a mile.
Ive liked all of them, but those two have always held a special place in my heart.
It’s always Alfred. No question.
Excluding him cuz it feels like cheating, Cass is easily my favorite Batfam member, followed by Dick
6:05
This quote about Jason has always ticked me off because: no Bruce, I'm pretty sure it was his Mom selling him out to the Joker that got him killed, not seeing Robin as a game
If anything I’d say Jason was impatient, he wanted to help people but when he couldn’t he tended to lash out. Honestly he knows Gotham better then Batman as he is a product of its lowest level and grew up on his own.
Yet when anyone mentions him as Robin they all think of him as a failure. He was betrayed by his own birth mother and even after being tortured by Joker he still tried to save her in his final moments. His death isn’t on Batman, it’s on his mother and the Joker.
I seriously think Damian isn’t that bad. He’s a child that was raised by Talia of course he is going to be ruthless and annoying. I really like his character development in the DCAMU
He isn't, he is overhated (especially by Tim fans) and dcamu doesn't even have alot of his good traits, like his pets. There would be no Batcow without Damian.
@@huntertezz I agree, it’s so sad that he didn’t get any good character development until the last film (Apocalypse War). I really want to see more of him in movies
Richard. Without question. He set the standard that all the other members, outside of Alfred, are Judged by
Red hood he’s my favorite I love he’s design and story
Heart says Alfred, brain says Tim
Tim, Dick, and Cass tied for 1st
Its gotta be Alfred "Bad Motherfucker" Pennyworth
I say give it Thomas and Martha Wayne for not only making Bruce, but also staying dead (in the main continuity) for over 80 years now.
Giving the whole Bat-Family a reason in the first place for decades now.
I remember Ace from Kyrpto The Superdog cartoon
Dont know if I'd give a definitive answer on the greatest but my top 5'd be
1. Cass cain
2. Alfred
3. Pre-N52 Tim Drake
4. Dick
5. Steph brown
5:14 tim is honestly underrated, he was literally trained by lady shiva
To be fair, almost all of them are trained by lady Shiva. Only I am not sure of his Dick but he had Shiva's rival train him
It goes Alfred, Dick Grayson, Gordon, Barbara.
"Every time I talk about Dick, it makes me happy." - Merlin
I have a soft spot for Helena Wayne/Huntress (Batman and Catwoman's daughter). I think she is a great potencial sucessor for Bruce. In my dream world the sucession order would be Tim Drake, then Helena would be his Robin and then became Batwoman and then Terry McGuiness takes over (he would be Helena's son and after she goes missing, he becomes Batman Beyond working with grandfather Bruce). Anyways I would love to know your guys thoughts on either Helena or this sucession line XD
I fucking love this channel!! You guys should consider making a discord for the community so we can talk to other comic lads about comics
Alfred Pennyworth may be the greatest but Stephanie Brown is my favourite.
Alfred, Nightwing/Dick Grayson, Jason Todd/Red Hood and Tim Drake (Pre New 52 either as Robin and Red Robin) is one my favorite characters from the batfamily
Either Alfred or Nightwing.
The batfamily almost fell apart when these two were not there. They are what holds the family together.
Nightwing all the way!!!! Apart from deceased Alfred, make a grown man cry
Grayson is the GOAT!
Having Alfred on this list, valid and deserved as it is, is downright unfair. He is the one true GOAT above all. Outside of him, I would say Tim is the greatest Robin, and Dick is the greatest leader. Batman recognized that Tim most likely would truly succeed him, while Dick was the ONLY ONE to truly get Damian to work with him. While everyone else was annoyed or flat out pissed off with Damian, Dick showed care, patience, and understanding to the point where Damian got along better with Dick than literally EVERYONE else, including Bruce.
The same way that Damian is oftentimes considered Dick’s Robin, I see Tim as Bruce’s definitive Robin.
Ha, I love that Ace got a shoutout
If not Alfred, there’s only 2 answers: Dick and Tim. I’d give it to Dick for setting the standard as a Robin and as his stand alone hero.
Honestly I like most of them, but I tend to rarely dislike anything Batman related. I’ll do a top several though: nightwing, Tim, red hood, Barbara, Cass, Azrael(really liked him from 90’s comics), catwoman, batwing(fox version, probably Casue I love Lucius tbh), ghostMaker(really like him and the concept, know he’s divisive among fans)
Edit- watched video till the end and since Alfred is included of course I’ll also pick him up
Here for the Damian slander
I love Nightwing! He is a great stand alone hero and leader.
Not having jason on the list is criminal
Nightwing the GOAT
For me its nightwing. He changed batmans view for the better, he is a role model for new upcoming heroes, and he is the best fighter (other than bruce)
I wouldnt count Alfred soley because he was there before the Bat was born and all the other sidekicks to come after. He is on a level of his own in regards to the Batman mythos.
Tim Drake hasn't been good since 2011.
He was good in Tynion’s Rebirth run but was barely in it since he was “killed.”
But yes. I 100% agree that he has been destroyed since New 52.
I'm y'all's biggest fan pls don't die
LOVE YOUR CONTENT GUYS ❤❤❤❤
Awesome video, as usual 🙌
Nightwing (Dick Grayson
Damian Wayne (Robin)
Alfred Pennyworth
Bat 🦇 Girl 👩 (Barbara Gordon)
Red Hood (Jason Todd)
Tim Drake (Robin)
Kate Kane (Bat Woman 🧍♀️)
Cassandra Cain
Stephanie Brown
(Bertinelli) Huntress
Bat 🦇 Wing 🪽 (Luke Fox 🦊)
Signal
Guys come on, show Stephanie Brown some love.
Grayson fasho
Not seeing Damian in this list fills me with so much joy.
Great video
Dick Grayson
Tim was my favorite character in comics until the 1, 2 punch of:
1. New 52 canceling him and making him a total incompetent tool in the Teen Titans.
2. And him randomly being gay now.
Let’s forget the decades of him going after the ladies both in action and internal monologue. We have two instances where shippers can imagine him hooking up with Conner and Bunker between panels, so now he’s a big fan of the Grayson.
Only right answer is Nightwing & Alfred but I’ve been getting into The Signal he’s pretty cool
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Nice video. Tho it does suck that one of the few POC of the bat family you place under the dog. Who mostly has popularity from Batman Beyond. I am shocked you didn't put batcow over him.
It's top 5 and it was between damien, jason and cassandra but for me, I'd put Jim Gordon at number 5.
Alfred and Nightwing are definitely the best top picks. Alfred is Bruce's rock and has been by his side since day 1, he's the one who keeps Batman and the Batfamily together. And Nightwing is, according to Batman himself, the better version of Batman, he's Batman's greatest achievement and acts as a symbol of hope for not only for Gotham and Blüdhaven, but for the world.
However someone I feel like should've gotten an honourable mention is Jason Todd. Maybe I'm biased but I feel like Jason's story of failure turning to rebirth and reform, and his growth as a character, from sidekick to tragedy, to villain to anti-hero, to redeemed hero makes him a good candidate. My bias would place him in the top 3 but realistically I'd say maybe under or tying with Cass.
I’ve only just started the video but I know good and well we’re including BatCow in this, right?
Everyone knows Krypto is the best dog in comic history. Ace is cool but he wasn’t the dc dog to get his own cartoon.
Terry is the greatest of the Bat-family. But if I cant choose him I choose Dick.
I dunno, kinda disagree. Every other Batman sidekick has been able to grow into their own identity except Tim Drake and no one knows who Cassandra Cain is unless outside the comics. Commissioner Gordon also deserves a mention at least
Alfred is #1 since there would be no batfamily without him. Oracle is the most impactful member of the batfamily. So she gets #2. Dick is the best singular hero to come from the batfamily so he is 3. (However I might just exclude him because he is also batman.) Tim and Cass would be batman together in my ideal succession. So they are 3 and 4. (Or 4 and 5 if you ignored my earlier comment on dick being excluded.)
Im pretty sure Cassandra Cain has been stated by Bats she could beat him, Tim is the smartest dont kno who said he wasnt lol, and Dick Grayson the best but Ric Grayson😂😂😂 he's the worst
The answer is absolutely Alfred. He’s the first member of the batfamily, and the most important.
Dick actually predates Alfred's debut by 3 years
@@abiodunsulaiman2297 I’m referring to canonically the first as far as the in universe timeline goes
Where tf is red hood cmon lads
Best batfamily members
1. Damian wayne
2. Damian wayne
3. Damian wayne
4. Damian wayne
5. Damian wayne
I personally think Jason should have been on this list or at least an honorable mention
i wanted babs to stay unfixed as a woman who uses a chair
Dude Jim Gordon is at number 5 not cassandra cain, he was there from the beginning and he's been batman.
It's easy, Bruce Wayne Batman, and it's not even close. Next would be Jason Todd then Damian in my opinion.
No bat cow is the best ace can mooooove over
Nightwing! He's batman's greatest success
I’m a new comic lad! And I love Dick. What a chad.
The only one I can accept above Dick is Alfred.
Terry is best. I mean seriously, you had all those clips of ace from beyond, but never mentioned terry.
Dick Grayson is my pick. I also think he's the best Robin. While I like Tim, I don't think he's smarter than Dick.
Joe Chill is the most important member of the Bat Family.
Joe Chill’s gun***
Where's Jason Todd? Where's Red Hood?
Personal vendetta initiated. Krypto >Ace! 🤯
Two goats honestly
@@comiclads fair enough!
AINT NO FUCKING WAY JASON ISNT ON THIS LIST
what
Dick grayson no question.
00:05 Anybody got the source of this pic?
No Jason and random signal stray 💔
No Jason? He brings a very interesting dynamic to the family. I am disappointed.
"interesting dynamic apparently now means being a worse version of Huntress and azrael
Honestly, having a dog as your sidekick, makes a lot more sense than having a 12 year old kid as a sidekick, especially if it was a pitbull or something
No Jason 😢
No Bat-Cow?
My fav is Jason Todd I luv Jason Todd
Not Damian. Ill say that much
Terry, he's the true successor to the Bat family.
Alfred
Damian rules and will be the greatest batman deceased show him at his best
Batwoman
5:30 point proven
yeah I agree with this list besides the fact that jason isn’t on it, Cassandra I would say shouldn’t be on that list, she doesn’t add much to bruces emotional side but Jason does, I mean bruce has pictured killing the joker before so Jason comes back to the family completely
Isnt Alfred still dead?
Batman beyond is the best
imo I think Jason is the best Batfamily member besides Batman himself cause he’s one of if not the most complex and I feel he has some of the best dynamics with the other members
Dick is the Greatest hands down *NO DIDDY.*
LMFAO respect
Enjoying your content but your intro needs work guys. its not become one with the lads. its become one OF the lads and don't get me started on become a fellow Lad. No One in England/UK where you've got the term LAD from would say it in that way. and Nightwing this answer.
3:33
Bruce timm propaganda
Nightwing OBVIOUSLY
Just watched it. I was wrong.
I think comic readers and fans just overlook Tim because his origin is so generic. A natural born detective? Lol. Even in comics thats a little far fetch. Stalking Batman and Robin to then figure out his identity. Like come on lol. Hes just too boring and generic which is why he is always left out. Every other Robin from the main 4 are way more interesting than Tim. Heck even making him bi didnt help cause he's just a boring character compared to the others.
bro cass over Jason is crazy
Jason sucks
Great video