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How To Reduce Phosphate in A Reef Tank
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".. As good as a snooze button on a smoke alarm"
Lol, you strike again. You got one of the best humour dude
Very underrated channel this is. Excellent content and detail! Great stuff
Agreed. U deserve a much bugger tank
yes
Love the no nonsense style.
I just has a large outbreak of cyano possibly due to crappy pellet food, it was a relief seeing you toss that garbage in the trash can as I did the same lol. I did use Chemiclean and within 48 hrs it was all gone. Running a GFO reactor now. Great vid!!
Completely agree with the RowaPhos. Effective but messy. I can highly recommend the Hanna Phosphorus ULR Checker. After messing around with Rowaphos I tried Sili Out 2 and Phos Out 4 from Microbe-Lift; both work very well. Lately I'm using Phos-Out 4 LIQUID, which is very very easy to dose (weekly a few ml), with very effective results.
Was using red sea test to and was having problems with algie. Prehaps that was the problem. Great info as always
Can't believe the effort and cost you put in to control nutrient export. I used to have chaeto, Purigen, Rowa etc etc. Got tired of a messy sump so went clean! Removed the chaeto and added sheet plastic mesh instead to grow algae. Put Continuum exxodus nitryx small blocks in a in-line DI holder. And used Quantum phosphate remover, awesome stuff. After only a month I'm now feeding more and manually dosing phosphorus.
The Rowaphos instructions state “DO NOT RINSE” and go on to explain there’s zero requirement to rinse the product, the small amount of cloudy brown water it produces when initially putting it in the reactor in my sump does no harm to the tank and on my setup doesn’t even make it to the display before it’s dispersed into nothingness. Best product out there for lowering phosphate on my opinion.
I think they say you can rinse if you fluidise it, but I prefer to anyway otherwise I get a build up in my sump 🙂
I stand corrected 😂😂. To clarify you can rinse if fluidising with either RO or the water you’re using to carry out the water change, however they say the fine particles that enter the water column if you don’t rinse actually play a part in helping reduce the phosphate levels, so either way rinse or no rinse you’re all good as long as you’re fluidising.
Hello Alex, For a year now Im running a 180 liter saltwater aquarium. (Juwel 180)
I went through all the start up problems a newbie can go through :-)
I am using mostly Aquaforest products, Salt, Rock.
So no life rock, I have used liverock before that, but well, its a long and a shameful story how I screwed that up. Anyway , for over 9 months now Im using the AF rock.
The huge difference for me was.
KH is constantly stable at 8,9 with the AF rock, I was dosing KH before that with the life rock, but I kept on doing it and my KH went up to the point of 13, and then I stopped dosing it completely, and now it never drops below 8,9 (my rodi water has 0,6)
Now that I steadily added the corals and fish over the last couple of months every parameter is ok, except NO3 en PO4, at the moment as expected.
Im using a internal Tunze 9004 DC skimmer.
I use an external potfilter with AF's zeolite, carbon, PhosphateMinus (I guess its the same messy stuff as Rowaphos, but with the difference to not wash it in RODI water before use)
Since 6 weeks I switched from Red Sea's No-pox to the liquid AF's NO pox , Nitraphos minus, in combination with AF Pro Bio S.
Regarding to feeding, I have an autofeeder that gives once a day a tiny amount of the smallest pellets available because of my fish size.
In the evening they get frozen marine food, I turn off the pumps , watch them eat it all , and turn the pumps back on.
I was giving Red Sea AB+ daily but after seeing your test for using it over a year, well I used it for over 6 months, and I can also say, it doesn't effect Po4 because now after 6 weeks of not dosing it, my Po4 is still 0,10.
Once every 3 days I feed reef roids.
I dose only the Phosphate minus stuff and Microben lift all in one, it also contains Calcium, costs me only 1 reefdose pump instead of 5 (4 red sea bottles and calcium)
I guess the Germans found a way to put it all in one bottle :-)
So to add it up, Im using 3 different PO4 reducers and it does nothing to my PO4 , and NO3 for that matter.
The Tank contains, soft , LPS and a few cheap and sturdy SPS corals, all "beginner" corals.
Fish , 6 in total with a combined length of around 40 cm , 2 shrimps, 3 snails.
Values as of this morning.
Temp 24,5
Salt 1025 / 34-35 PPT
KH 8,9 (hanna)
PH 8,0
Calcium 450
Magnesium 1300
Iodine 0,04
Potassium 375
PO4 0,10 (hanna)
NO3 20 instead of 3 If im correct.
It took you 4 months if im correct to lower your PO4, it's not that I am impatient but how long can my corals sustain the high levels, I see it in the 0 growth, not as big as before etc..
I couldn't see a great reduction in NO3 and PO4 with Red Sea's No-Pox , and now the same with AF products, must i really buy al kinds of other brands to look for something that does work, despite the fact that these products are sold as NO3/PO4 reducers/stabilizers ?
Keep up the great work , I learned allready a lot from your video's , big thanx !
Greetings from the Netherlands !
Love how honest you are... LOL
Yes this is exactly what's going on in one of my tanks some really really good helping information way better then google thank you
Your tank is looking so good!
I was using rowa now I’m testing out fauna marin phos 0.04, have a read about it.
How it work for you ? Any update plz
I think you nailed it. Too many fish and too much feeding. I would put 8-10 medium sized fish in that tank. Unfortunately salt water tanks can hold way fewer fish than fresh water. I feed once a day a combo of frozen food. You have a lot of technology just to try to maintain that bioload. Sometimes less is more. A new tank would cost less than all the tech you are using. The weekly 10% water changes are good (I do 15%). Get another tank and distribute the bioload:) Great channel and I love your attitude and suggestions. You got a new subscriber.
My thoughts exactly. or maybe he could get a giant sump.
Do you like birds bird wall paper behind the tank birds behind the bin 😂
Great video as always Alex! 😀👍👍
Thank you so much for your content. I watch all your videos as they become available. About phosphate removal... Did you consider the product from Fauna Marin - Phos 0.04? This is made from granules, it is not messy at all and, miraculously, reduces phosphates to 0.04 and not lower.
I'm sceptical! But sounds great - I'll check it out 🙂
Excellent as always. Mr mentor..
I use Red Sea no3 po4x because I have really high phosphates as well, I’m on day 3 and I already see a huge reduction in algae and phosphates, my corals and sand bed were covered in algae and after three days my sand bed is back to being white and bright, it’s expensive stuff but worth it in my case
HI MY FRIENDLY REEF DORK YOU ARE BESTEST DORK
Loving the vids Alex. I'm a rowaphos man myself. With a bit of zeolite. 👍
I use Phosphat-E from Brightwell Aquatics. Works great & practically instantly removing phosphates as it has a binder in it that attaches to the free form in your tank and makes it neutral... Something like that not sure of the science but love the stuff. I also use Brightwell PO4 cubes.
Had a quick Google but can't see. I'd bet it's lanthanum chloride though 🙂
@@ReefDork yes it is Lanthanum based.
I have struggled with phosphate since day one in my tank. I thought it was overfeeding but recently found it was the ro and saltwater I was purchasing from LFS. I purchased a RODI system and now levels are going down nice and slow.
Interesting, how do you know that your salt possibly caused the issue
@@tonyritossa2970 because I tested the saltwater and RODI water from the store that were setting at the house and talked to a few other hobbiest.
@@ksamples149 I had same problem as you with high phosphates…Now I make my own water my levels have dropped drastically
Great channel. Keep up the great work, Alex. I've recently binned off my refugium and running TM Bacto Balance (Phosphate and Nitrate were low enough). Tank never looked better. Run in collab with DIY TM All-For-Reef. 2 dosing channels to take care of nutrient control and all major and trace elements. What's not to like?!
Yeah phosphates can be tricky. There are many different types of phosphates and most hobbyist test kits only test for two different kinds. The ICP test will detect them all.
great content, i think i might try elmi np in my next tank when i get it up and running
Great vid, as always.
I would do Liquid Phosphate remover like Brightwell Phosphate E.
Brilliant again 👏👍
Great video 😁
Interesting choice to go the carbon dosing route..
My experience with nopox it that it is alot better in reducing nitrate than it is in reducing phosphates.
Could be that it is difrent with tropic marine tho, Im looking forward to see the outcome.
Yeah, that could well be the case to be fair.
Give Tropic Marin Bacto Balance a go, I’ve been using it for three weeks and had great success already. Elimi NP is for temporary use, when you have high levels. Bacto Balance is when the levels are good to maintain them. It contains both a carbon source and a small amount of Nitrate. This is to prevent bottoming out nitrate and counteract the effect of carbon being better at nitrate reduction. It’s also said to prevent cyano often caused by other carbon dosing products because of the nitrate imbalance.
i had the same problem too and I used reef feel and I could say bey to my phosphate in 2-3 weeks
Fluval sells a phosphate removal pad that works well for me (designed for their canister filter, but you can cut it up and use it on just about any filter). Phosphate always tests at 0 for over a year now. But most importantly don't overfeed...I'm amazed at the amount of food I see people (including UA-camrs) dump in their tank. Fish will almost ALWAY appear to be starving once they get used to you, don't fall for that trap!
Merci pour ta vidéo !!!👍👍👍
In my experience lanthanum chloride is much more effective than Rowa/GFO. What are the reasons for not using lanthanum chloride long-term? I currently dose 1ml a day on my Red Sea Reefer 350 which keeps my po4 fairly steady (0.03-0.06).
I'm just not sure about getting a build up of lacl in my tank 🙂
Always useful content on your channel Alex. Off topic, in your reactor at 4:25+ are they digitate hydroids?
I don't actually know. I originally recorded that clip a few months ago because it was interesting, not because it was Rowaphos. Digitate hydroids is a good shout. Whatever it was, it got binned with the Rowa 😕
from what i've heard is that ICP test for phosphates arent as reliable, since the sample you took has a lot of living bacteria that most often die off by the time they test it, what causes a higher phosphate. I am strugling with to low on phosphate what gives me alot of problems, but ICP says something else. When my dad tests it at his work (he's scientist, test is done only a few hours after taking the sample) with chromatograph (highly acuurate) it stil shows up as almost 0
Funny you say phos guard isn’t good when I’ve been using it for years and works amazingly.
I'm not saying it's bad, I'm just saying it's not as effective as Rowaphos... Which it isn't 😁
I put a nicely coloured foxface in my tank. Months later I found she lost a lot of colour. I swapped to NSW and my foxface is now bright yellow again. Just a thought as to why anthias lost colour
I’m new back into salt water. The test kit showed .25 I purchased a hanna and it was 0.50
NOPOX is expensive. Reefers are so caught up in these expensive gimmicks. You can do carbon dosing for a 1000th of the price of all these gimmicks. :)
you dont need to rinse it, it says in instruction ). that brown stuff actually get rid off silicates
videos are awesome, currently dealing with relatively high phosphate levels myself. I have a different question regarding dosing foods for corals, what would you or other people recommend?
I personally don't recommend feeding corals - here's my long term review of red Sea reef energy ab plus - ua-cam.com/video/iwb0fgFjJxY/v-deo.html
Hands up I'm a over feeder. My evo phosphate is high but I cant starve my fishes. I see there little face and feel bad if i dont feed them dinner. I have an algea out break in the 200l tank but I'm not touching at the moment as I'm about to upgrade the tank so the sand which is coved in algea wont be going in the new tank and I have ich in the tank as well so hopefully will cut my chances of getting it by changing the sand. It will be my first sump, I'm looking at just doing a refugium and a skimmer maybe phosgaurd if needed. What light would you recommend for the refugium? I dont want a really expensive but I want a decent one.
Any of the ufo grow lamps on amazon will do a cracking job. But are rust candidates. Check out the Tunze 8811 - it's waterproof (and submersible)
@@ReefDork thank you.
i always watch your channel and its exellent...{but you gotta admit its the wall paper its just.......scary }sorry about that. i followed you and mr saltys advice on the semigrow light s you both have and am very happy with them havent quite mastered the controllar thing lol great vid
Yeah, the stock controller sucks! I've just bought a 2nd Evergrow 😁
Finding phosphate free frozen will be the challenge but eradicating that source into your tank you will lessen the need to add products like phosguard and use Rowaphos or GFO
Please do a video about how you manage to control nitrate
Skimmer, chaeto, Siporax.
@reefdork just for clarity. Is it okay to do carbon dosing if you have a cheato refugium running already ? Great Channel!
hi if i add filter wool above my ceramic blocks to filter my water ever more will that reduce phosphates even more, my corals are dying now and my levels are po4 0.24 po3 28.. not steady at all..
Probably not - Rowaphos is probably the best way, it's just a bit of a hassle
Quantum phosphate remover is very good I automatically dose it. Rowaphos didn't work for me!
I have Rowphos reactor in my tank but it seems not to do much good.
Seachem phosguard is also good and you don't need to wash
Snooze button on a smoke alarm, as good as my snooze on the ATOMIC BOMB 😁
Hi mate could you do a rowaphos guide
I've used this product and it does a great job reducing the phosphates, but I found that it reduces it to where I want and then I take it out. How do I measure it out to leave it in the system so phosphate levels remain stable instead of dropping them and removing the mixture? I'm worried about it keep dropping lower than where I want it to go.
Just trial and error with regular testing
Hi, any advice on zoas closing while some others are open? Because some of my zoas closed but aren't opening anymore😢
It's a problem of trace elements
Hi Alex can you help my phosphate is now down to 0.04 due to me dosing Nexus from cellar marine stoke .i have a 340lte mixed reef tank 2 year old with two fluval filters (for quietness ) and uv light and a algi scrubber . Permitters are all fine . But do I go for a tunze chetoe reactors ( not having a sump ) or a carbon reactor ? At the moment I’m trying chemi pure blue which I hope to get 6 months out of who knows . Keep the vids coming top man 😃👌
Hi Alex, great content, on the subject of nutrient export trying to reduce nitrates at mo (40ish ) going to try refugium with AI prime?
Yep, that's a good option 👍
Funny to see that you also hate rowa, but we still all use it. 😂
🤣 Yeah, I've got over myself now! It's really not that much of an effort!
@@ReefDork Friends only went to use DSR to get rid of Rowa. DSR uses fluid absorbers and powerfilters.
🤔 my phosphates were low when only (auto) feeding pellets and became high when also feeding frozen cubes......
(Why) do you think that pellets are responsible for high phosphates and not the frozen food?
My understanding is that pellets are much more 'concentrated' if you know what I mean. So 10 grams of pellet will have more po4 than 10 grams of frozen. And more nutrition mind! But with an auto feeder, it's really hard to control the amount of pellets I feed, whereas cubes are easy.
@@ReefDork Hey dork I like your videos ☺️ can I ask you some questions? I interested to know how u keep stable your trace elements in tank ? With what trace elements you use ? How often you do water changes ? And if you do ICP test I am very glad if you can answer me please thanks for advanced
@@danigerzon6881 I do weekly 10% water changes without fail and supposedly ati essentials pro has trace elements in it. Iodine and manganese are always low on icp tests for me. When I've sorted my phosphate, I'll focus on trace elements but they're the cherry on the cake for my tank as they seem to be generally OK.
@@ReefDork can u tell me with what salt you use? And if you do water changes every week it's not clean the trace elements from water of tank ?
@@danigerzon6881 red Sea blue bucket. I think the water changes help with trace elements but I should probably be adding some more separately
Hello Alex,
How about the ChemiPure Elite? I'm using that in my canister filter.
hows it going i m battling phos at the mo - new tank only 2 months old, cant get it down from 0.4 . Was using NT Labs phos remover in a bag in a filter sock but its not effective, got a reactor coming tuesday with rowa hopefully that will do the trick
Interesting. I have had my Anthias for several months and only feed frozen twice a day and maybe a pinch of pellets. They are bright pink and always have been. Hm
I have a question about carbon dosing. I've used the same red sea product you used in your video but when I do use it my skimmer stops working as effectively. Is this to be expected or am I doing something wrong?
What was your overall experience with elimi np and nopox? Did it really reduced phosphate and and side effects?
Any time I've used carbon dosing it's done more for nitrate than phosphate and if you take your eye off the ball, it'll strip everything out to 0...
@@ReefDork so gfo is the only true safe option and no other alternative things. nothing that can be automated
@@EIY_Kumar I've been using lanthanum chloride recently (blue life phosphate RX). It's very strong so you only need tiny amounts but you can put it on a doser
@@ReefDork okay. will give it a try. thanks
Brother just use sugar for carbon dosing takes nitrates and phostate to very low to no e at all quarter tea spoon for every 30 gallons or l60 litres every day In sump make sure u hot skimmer on bacteria do the work and skimm takes them out the system win
not sure if i tested phosphate wrong with my hanna checker but phosphates cane up .46 i checked it about a week ago and it was at .04 so i dont know why it jumped that high or if i tested wrong'
Did you remove chaeto? Change/clean a filter? Feed more, add more fish? Change the water you use for water changes?
My aquaforest ICP Test tells a higher phosphate number than my hanna checker. The ICP test is the one I can trust more?
I think BRS have previously said ICPs aren't accurate for phosphate...
@@ReefDork thanks
Hi Alex what phosphate remover are you using please
Currently I'm using nyos phosi-ex. It's more gentle than Rowaphos which is good because it won't strip phosphate too quickly but bad because you need to use more of it so it's quite expensive
@@ReefDork isn’t everything in this hobby 🙈😂thanks Alex I’ll try it 👍
Hi Alex, I too have found Rowafos the best for combatting phosphate, if it jumps up, then I use vodka for a while, plus good water changes that brings it back down. Do you still have your Fairy Head wrasse ? I have one, but he is so skittish and often jumps out of the water and hits his head on the glass top and hides away, most likely waiting for his headache to disappear, did or do you find your one to be very skittish ?
Mine wasn't skittish, but it was a bit of a bully. My Harlequin Tuskfish chased it to death though 😕
My phosphate is a 0.25 I'm using API test kit do not know how accurate they are my ro water is 0 tds
How do you keep your nitrates under control. Ps. Great channel dude
Just the filtration I mentioned - filter roller, skimmer, chaeto. My nitrates are under 5 - i've never really had to think about nitrates, they've always been low 🙂
Mine is 3 on a salifert test kit I have a 9 inch naso in a 4ft x2x2 with a 4ft sump I never had a problem till I started dosing ab+ reef energy as it says on bottle low skim rate started using reef flowers bactearia feeder carbon dosing and have now started using aquafoest pro bio s a bactearia designed as phos and nitrate its coming down skimmer as gone black it also kill pathogens and bad bactearia i used 40 quids worth of gfo fluvel in a month it done nothing so trying this method b4 I move onto there pro biotic salt
An update my nitrates have moved to 10 from 25 in a week but my phosphate is saturated into my sand I think I don't have live rock but echo TMC sand so I ditching the reeflowers and going all out aquaforest with there polymer pro NP carbon food liquid
I was relatively happy with my red sea algae control test kit until i saw your video!! I have been measuring under 0.08 ppm, but I have now tested my water with 2 other (older) kits and it is showing at around 0.8!!! So much so, i have decided to send out for an ICP test to verify what the real truth is. Any plans for a test kit review, or have i missed it?
I'm not sure how accurate icp tests are for phosphate. I've gone back to the hanna checker now
Put your frozen in ro water. Drain and feed
I use ferric oxide fluvel all so known as gfo
Why do you always post a video exactly when i need advice on the topic
Hi Alex same problems my phosphate is 0.57 with Hanna, Nitrates 50ppm+ :-( I've tried filter rollers, phosban, daily regular water changing and still high. AB plus sky rocketed mine I think so I've backed off it.
ive just tried an aqua forrest reactor with their version of rowaphos. I might back off the pellet food as you said and try frozen
If gfo isn't reducing your po4, could it be your ro water?
You may have something dead in your tank, have you siphoned your substrate?
get yourself an Algae Scrubber.
Yeah I'd do away with the chaeto and gfo and put in a good algae scrubber! He could probably go water change free with that!
He only uses algee scrubbers. lol
Imagine being in this hobby and still paying for and lugging 5 gallon buckets from the store. Slushing saltwater around your trunk and then carrying them all the way up into your house! 😂😂😂😂😂. Literal Insanity.
Update fish gone it was eating a 8inch sheet a day changed gfo from eihiem to to JBL phosex can't believe how good JBL is I only got eihiem because it was 3 quid cheaper the ehiem stuff is garbage I running at 5ppm nitrates and 0.25 phosphate from royal blue I doze every ab+ and reef pulse I use aquaforest np pro and probiotic bio s my po3 po4 doesn't change so I invested in 30 sps frags from fragsrus on eBay omg the growth is fantastic got 15 different kinds so my problem was too much nori and crap quality gfo I love my tank again oh sinse I got my phosphates right down my superman rodactis and Forrest fire mushrooms are splitting like crazy oh and I took your advice about bucket couldn't believe the phosphates in the salt water mixes it was also the water butt it was a bq green one so I got e from a brewing shop 15 gallons perfect so moral of story is don't jump to conclusions 😆😆😆😆😆 I love reef energy now
Are you still using the Elini NP? If so how are you finding it after some long term use?
I moved onto Bacto Balance - Elimi-np is really aggressive and it makes me nervous!
@@ReefDork I'm having a nightmare with phosphates at the moment. When I tested last Sunday 0.08 today 0.22. I'm running GFO in a media bag and I've just dosed No3Po4x again. Trouble I have is it strups my Nitrates down to near 0 whilst maintaining an 'acceptable level of phosphate. I have tried Lanthanum in the past but my ICP came back with sky high readings of it so I've discontinued using it. This is an uphill battle 😅
Where can I buy chateo? I have read that you shouldn't buy from another hobbyist because of pests but most places I've looked it has been import costing more for postage than for product and then the taxes to pay before you can collect! Or on ebay from other hobbyists! Please help ☹
I've bought it from my lfs before - I personally don't have such a problem with the stuff and I think you're just as likely to get the same pests on frag plugs etc.
@@ReefDork can it be dipped in a coral dip to try help keep the pests out
Nope. You could quarantine it and watch it closely if you're really bothered. Just one strand will suffice to get you started.
@@ReefDork thank you for the advice!
Just dip and rinse in fresh water for 10 minutes.
im in the opposite side, i have almost zero po4 test with hanna phosphorus .. my tank still 2 months old. what should i do to maintain po4 level ? no fish right now, only clean up crew
Choose what method suits you, but it's too early to worry about phosphate in your tank 🙂
@@ReefDork last time when I bottom out Po4 and no3, I have dino, but it go away by itself when I was feeding ab+ to coral. So I just worry it will come back when hit 0 again
Simple answer - get some fish
@@ReefDork ok thank you
How come the only frozen you say you will feed is Mysis?
I find if I feed a variety of foods, some get missed. And mysis is a good food so I'm happy with it.
Reef Dork wish my fish liked mysis, they only seem to like tiny frozen food such as cyclops and lobster eggs, the bigger foods they turn their noses up at, so I never think I’ve fed them enough.
If you ever fancy doing a tank tour video happy for you to do a video on my 1700L Sps Reef tank. I am in Newbury Berkshire.
Are you on Instagram? Can you send me some photos?
Vodka and keep the skimmer clean and rowa if necessary
Just cutting back on feeding will lower phosphates UNLESS your rocks have po4 bound up in them.
What can you do to fix that issue? Aside from getting new rock
Hey. Do you run Triton
Nope, ati essentials pro but I do water changes too.
mine
getting pale if lower then 0.06 )
Dont need to rinse Rowa
They advise that you do if you fluidise it. Either way, I wouldn't be happy with the dust sitting in my tank/sump 🙂
Reef Dork I never rinse it and just let it run in to filter sock , never had coral loss or gfo build up in the tank
Phophate not make dark color, nor stop calcifications,thats old believes in the hobby,many guys have great colors with surprisly good results with high phosphate
Ik this is late, but that sediment filter on ur rodi is filllthy
Bio-Phos 80
Wtf is "Nor point nor" 3 and nor point nor 5ppm. Wtf is "nor"?
Meanwhile i gotta add a ton of phosphate since my 75 gallon consumes about 0.10 phosphates every 24 hours which i didnt even know it was possible.
I cant get my phosphates up from being undetectable.
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I enjoy your posts, but please hide that 1970's wallpaper! It is just too distracting.
Check out the wallpaper in the background of the Elimi-np shot and bining pellet food shot 😁
Wow, a wallpaper nightmare, how do you sleep at night, those roosters should keep you awake 😳
I hate rowa, it's just filth :) I moved to LC 2 yrs ago, much easier to fine tune PO4, that just my personal preference.
That NO3 PO4 x is just overpriced methanol from my understanding. Better off buying some dirt cheap human consumption grade ethanol ie Russian Vodka if over 18. Less risk of going blind if resort to it after the pub too.