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Buddy seems super knowledgeable. I'd like to see a tour of his shop and his process for doing a full setup on an electric and an acoustic. More of these repair type, pick your brain videos would be great!
I agree - this young man is a fountain of knowledge. Wish he was closer than a 1000 miles away.
He’s awesome
My January 2019 D18 sat in a small Iowa shop for a year. I purchased in May 2020 and brought it to Arkansas (much higher humidities). After about 6 months it finally got used to its surroundings here and settled in, opened up a little, and became an incredible guitar. It much prefers the 48% humidity range over say 55%. Gets muddy and dulled in higher humidity for some reason even though it’s in Martin’s suggested range. Ask anyone who owns a 2019, it was a fantastic year for the D18. Mine sounds better every day.
Good to know thanks!
I've always found that about my guitars. You pick up the same guitar that sounded great the day before on a day where it's raining, or high heat and humidity, and it just sounds dead.
totally agree, I live in AL, and when it rains and humidity s like 60%, it totally changes the sound of the guitar. between 40 and 60 is supposed ot be the preferred range, right?
My d18 from the 90s is a little buzzy too, but it’s almost unnoticeable when being recorded. My luthier did the best he could. For some reason D18s record so well. It’s stunning how well they record.
They are the original dreadnought by which everything else is compared to making them the benchmark
Yeah, it seems the drier mahogany sound records best. I have a D-18, a D-41 and a 000-18. The 000-18 records the best even though the other two are far better sounding in person.
@@capohd28 I personally like mahogany better in personal also. And I used to be a rosewood guy. But I like sinker mahogany which has some slight rosewood qualities
Ben seems like a great guy, and very knowledgeable and sincere, about guitars. Take care!
These have been my most favorite videos you have done so far. Ben is awesome and knows so much for his age about guitars. Makes some killer guitars too. I started following him on instagram so I can see all of the cool stuff he comes out with next.
This inspired me to pull out the old d-18. Been tough to play with two little ones, playing it was like cutting soft butter. Usually play my kick around orange wood, but what a different. Nothing like playing a d-18
So good to hear. I love raising kids around great guitars. It's stressful at times and involves training them about being rough and throwing stuff, but lessons like that will make them good people.
Nice video! I enjoyed "meeting" your friend and seeing him in action. The D-18's are nice, but the jury is still out for me on the Avian Dove. It might be a nice stage guitar for someone, but it isn't my cup of tea. :)
Brother, I can't get enough of your videos. I wish I'd have discovered them a long time ago. Thank you for the great content.
I'm glad we're connected! It's been really fun making all of these.
The 2019 Martin has a double action truss rod.
I’ve also found that the Plecked guitars tend to be somewhat buzzy
Shouldn’t you be able to add forward bow with a 2 way truss rod?
@@aardvark77 yes It is possible.
Yes, and when it’s between the two settings can feel slack, surprised he didn’t mention that. Also .003 - 004” in in my mind is perfect relief, but that is a personal preference. Another thing, is what gauge strings are on there? If lights, try mediums, that should bring the action up a bit. He didn’t mention the 12th fret string height. At that relief, I would have just made up a new bone saddle with a bit more height and call it a day. Save the factory one for when the action works up a bit over time.
right, there's lots of ways to fix that, based on the player.@@capohd28
African Mahogany is sometimes called Khaya. I have a Larrivee with African Mahogany and a Martin with Honduran Mahogany and they both sound great.
As Paul S said below, 2019 has a double-acting rod. Very easy to adjust the relief using that. What you thought was a loosened rod was just the adjuster nut at its neutral position. Turn further past that point and you'll be able to increase the relief to a suitable point.
You're totally right, this morning after reading your comment I loosened it up to tension and then used it to pull the neck back into a negative bow and it works great. Thanks for your comment.
yeah, that is what I was thinking the entire time, but all of the solutions did not involve that, so I was super confused and I just thought well, I really don't know much about Martins. I am a recent convert to the acoustic world, so I am used to lots of electrics with 2-way truss rods, and I am always loosening a little or tightening a little on them, depending on the weather. Glad I read down into the comments.
Hi Jeremy, I've enjoyed these videos introducing Mr. Padgett and his impressive work. I wanted to mention that newer Martins have 2-way or dual action truss rods, meaning they bend both ways to decrease relief and increase it. So, to increase relief, when you are turning the nut counter clockwise until it's loose, keep going and it will tighten up again as it forces the neck the other way. The new D-18 will have a 2-way truss rod, but from what I read, the D-18VS is from before Martin started using them.
Cheers!
This one of the best video’s on neck adjustment I have ever viewed!!! Thank you!!!
Just bought a 2023 D-18 standard and have G & B string buzz for dayyyyyys. Gotta do a little tweaking. Thanks for this!
Just got home with a Santa Cruz Tony Rice signature that sounds amazing! Have you ever had any Santa Cruz’s before?
I'm glad acoustics are not my thing, because I live in Arizona, where the humidity and dew point are mostly in the single digits. Woof to Ben.
No matter. Once they are adjusted it’s totally fine. I live in Tucson. McKnight addressed this as well. You can humidify sporadically for a couple of weeks. But once it gets used to it. You shouldn’t have any issues.
You can buy an old Applause AA14. Its neck is made of aluminium and plastic. The back and sides are made of carbon fibre.
On one of my guitars the open D string buzzes or rattles but only when you press the Low E string on the 7th fret. Have no idea what it is.
Great video, love learning from skilled guys like this. One thought on the Martins low action is that its likely the bridge saddle has been filed to lower the action and maybe a bit too much was taken off. I have a D28 and a D18 the D28 came with quite high action so once it had acclimated I took a bit off the saddle and it made a world of difference didn't adjust the neck as it seemed perfect. The D18 came with perfect action and measured the humidity in the case on delivery and it was 45% its now at 58% and the action has grown by 0.25mm at the 12th fret not much but man its tougher to play! I will lower the action as its not fun anymore! But as was said in the video climate really effects these acoustics.
You are one lucky guy bro!! To own and deal woth so many awesome guitars!
I have a d18e 2020 and I love it. I’ve had no problems so far!
They are wonderful guitars, you are having a very normal experience with a great guitar. My issue with the truss rod is very unusual.
Ditto
I bought a 2020 D-18 standard last august - the incredibly dry winter here did a number on it, but I re-humidified it and had a proper set-up done and now it plays better than ever. Seems like its just extra malleable since its new. Hoping that it will settle a little bit.
The truss rod and neck on my D18 (2014) work together as they should. Martin built these for medium gauge strings but I haven’t run anything heavier than .012s on mine and that just recently. But to my surprise I’ve found that I can run the .012s at lower action and with very little relief than I could the .010s with no buzzing and it sounds so much better. I’m building up my hands to try for .013s next..
That’s actually no surprise even though it’s counter intuitive. Lighter strings tend to travel more due to lower tension. 10’s are super sloppy. One interesting thought though that a long time luthier taught me is that sometimes lights will be louder than mediums on some very resonant guitars. That is the case on at least one of my dreads, a forward scalloped D-41. Sometimes heavier strings can stiffen a guitar up and lower volume. Best to just try it and see what works.
How about using heat to soften the neck/ fingerboard bond and clamping it to get some relief ? I've done that before
Nice video, I have a 1993 HD28-P that sounds amazing. I took it to a local shop here because that action was too low. I’m not a Bluegrass player but I do like like to dig in a little. The Tech told me that the stress rod was striped. The guy that I trust the most said that the guy didn’t have the proper tool to do anything with the stress rod. The action got really low during the winter. I keep it in its case with a humidifier in the sound hole. Now that the humidity is getting up there the action has come up a little but it still buzzes. I wonder if I need a neck reset? The guitar is almost 30 yers old.
Relief mixed with action height is important. I didn't see action height measured or mentioned. Is it 5/64 or lower on low E? If so, put a taller saddle in it.
Interesting to see Englemann on that 3rd guitar. I got a Martin D-28 from Japan - 2004 with Englemann. Apparently they had a custom version for the Japanese market back at the time. It's a fantastic guitar, and I think the Englmann seems to have some of the properties of adirondack - despite being a supposedly softer wood. As Ben said, the woods vary within varieties as well as across varieties.
Once again - a great informative video. You should get Ben on some more.
If it has a two-way trust rod, you can have it bowing in both directions. Just adjust the truss rod. When you get a little loose to keep turning it it’ll start getting tight and hit a bo the opposite direction. I would not put heavier strings on it.
you two are great, cheers.
Wouldn't stringing it with .13s slowly fix the problem? (Assuming it's set up for .12s)
That's what I'm going to do for a while.
Yep it would
Doesn’t Martin have a good warranty? What about putting a shim under the saddle? Guitar #1
Martin’s life warranty only applies to the original owner
Shim the bridge saddle a hair until the guitar acclimates.
It reminds of a parent bringing the children to the doctors. The concerned posture etc,
Got to get yourself that Martin dx2e. Only Martin model with katalox wood for fret board nd Bridge. And it has the strata Bond neck martin
has been using for 30 years which is virtually indestructible. I've had a dx1 for 20 years and it's never not in tune lmao... never needed any work done.
Doesn’t the newer Martins have dual action truss rods? You could put relief in that way.
Yes. I learned that after this. Guitar was sorted in moments. Haha
What year did this start? I have a 2014 D18, just curious.
Did you every try to replace the saddle nut and the peg head nut with one's that are about a thousandth taller?
I like to use mediums and when I put a guitar away for a while, I tune down at least half a step
Martin #2 is a loud guitar so you probably shouldn't need to play that hard. (-: The new nut should fix it anyway.
I'm surprised he went straight to a refret on a three-year-old guitar. I was thinking refile a new nut and replace and adjust a new saddle to the desired action.
Ben is a national treasure! Great video
Let's put a duo to geather with our Martin guitars.
Man I love that 12 fret! My next Martin is most likely going to be a D-18. I love my D-28, but I'm kinda wanting a mahogany back and side too. The 12 frets are cool, but they are a little bit rough on the old pocket book. Lol
I also wanted a mahogany quality built guitar to go with my hd-28 and d-35. I tried the d-18 and Gibson j-45. I now own a Gibson j-45 standard. Better tone and playability for me. I played both side by side. I'm a martin guy but I love my j-45.
@@jimmycollette9209 Hi Jimmy - I also loved that 12 fret Martin but there's no way of getting one here in New Zealand... I'm leaning towards a J-45 now and it's good to hear that you picked one over a D-18 when given the chance to play them side by side... how would you describe the difference in tone?
@@GreatbarrierislandtourismCoNz I love the low E groan and evenness when strumming. I bought a new d-18 in 1971 that was a great sound guitar but left it in my car and the sun ruined it. The top busted the pick guard curled up and the finish bubbled up the neck got way out of shape. I've not found another anything like it but the j-45 comes as close as I've heard. The action is great. I like it over the martins even after I had them set up. If you can play them side by side because everyone has their own preference.
A very informative video - I learned a lot. It's quite humid here in Sydney - especially during this extreme year of wet weather, so no problem with guitars drying out. I wonder though if the more dry climates enhance the ageing of acoustic guitars - cause more natural drying and ageing of the tops. I assume the same process is probably responsible for some of the cracks you see in guitars - I wonder if the dry climates also cause the greater cracking along with more ageing?
Love my Martin but they it’s the buzziest guitar I have no matter how I adjust it. It’s been professionally set up twice already.
Yeah, professionally set up is often a joke. Usually the guys doing set ups (in stores especially) are not luthiers. They are often entry level people. A lot of it is also expectation. if you are asking for a low action, and then play hard, any guitar will buzz. There are many reasons for buzz, and Martins normally have some of the best necks and fret jobs out there, even the Mexico made ones. Also, one issue is a guitar drying out too much. That is a common issue for buzzing that can only be corrected with proper humidification. Dry guitars will drop action too low from the top shrinking. Most people don’t look after this issue well enough. Pucks and sponges are not good enough to keep a guitar humidified.
I just traded in a all Mahogany Avian today “nice guitar “. For Guild D-20
Hello there, for my D18 (2021) I use 13 gauge. Now I mostly play with fingers including the strumming. What in your opinion should be the numbers at the 12th fret. Note: I often downtune ½ or 1 step. Thank you.
Martin spec is approximately .095 to .110” on the low E. High E should be ~ .015” or so less. Not a big fan of detuning on acoustics as the guitars are designed for standard pitch, and can often get into some weird resonances and other issues when tuned below pitch. Guitars can lose their tonal balance doing this.
@@capohd28 much appreciated man! Awesome answer
@@capohd28 Drop D on a D18 though. 😊
@@G_Demolished Drop D is fine, I use it myself. Dropping a half, or worse a full tone for all strings can be an issue.
How about just getting a taller saddle for guitar 1?
I'm going with grandmas wallpaper!
This is why *all* truss rods should be double action.
Hey GREAT VIDEO. I have a Martin GPCPA4. I tried adjusting the truss rod and sure enough i damaged it. I turn it anticlockwise and there is no adjustment on the neck. I turned it clockwise until it cant go any further ( i heard a small crack( and no adjustment. I think i have to replace the Truss Rod. I have contacted Martin and no answer. Can you recommend a Truss Rod i can purchase? there is a local Luthier that can replace it for me as i dont have the tool necessary. I just need advice on what truss rod to buy. PLEASE HELP ME!!!!!!
Oh man. I REALLY doubt you broke it. If so, it would be defective because you'd have to really force it for a long time to get it to break.
You can book a video call with me on my website and we can talk about it. Jeremytheguitarhunter.com/contact
i quit playing martins years ago
Shouldn’t Martin take these back ?
Martin’s lifetime warranty only applies to the original longer
Where is this place at❤
It's gone. Ben moved to Murfreesboro, TN to build Gallagher Guitars.
Such a nice guy this Ben. Good guy for sure!!
Too much humidity?
Too little.
@@JeremySheppard beware of a neck reset,recently had my 84 Martin done.
Too humid....too dry.... neck resets..... binding shrinking....I'm beginning to think Martin guitars just have too many issues.
@@freebornjohn6876 Any good sounding guitar will have to be cared for. Yes, you can get overbuilt guitars that are built like tanks, but they often don’t sound and play as well as a Martin or other high end guitars. Thing is, solid wood Martins sound good because they are built out of real wood, and are built just on the edge of holding together as that’s what gives you resonance. The coveted ones are the forward scalloped braced ones, which are also the ones that are the most fragile, but sound the best. If you want an indestructible guitar, get a laminated guitar of which Martin and Taylor have some as well as cheaper brands. You won’t have to worry about those. In general, with a properly humidified and cared for Martin, you will have few issues, and if new, you’ll have a lifetime warranty.
Unfortunately I broke my truss rod on my Martin D-16….
Yikes!!
It does suck when you can no longer truss your baby.
Put a potato in the case and tell the banjo player to take two steps back from the mic until Easter.
Because new Martin's incredibly overpriced. Unless one gets a custom shop nowadays forget it. Or used
The Martin’s sound great as usual but that ugly 3rd one sounds horrible. No idea what it’s worth but I sure wouldn’t touch it. 🤓
Talk to Martin Directly
Man that last thing looks and sounds like it sells for 300 bucks on ebay from china. Cringy watching this dude try to say that without saying it.
You're awesome. You have a talent and there is a big opportunity for that. Would you be interested in performing live on Sessions?
I wouldn’t trust this guy to set up a squire!!