Awesome, I love listening to Christians who can still think, and give honor to the Word of God. Religious traditions still keep the majority in the dark ages.
Wow wow wow. I’ve been exploring religion because I was raised atheist and this REALLY appeals to my sense of logic. It’s like believing in God is not wishful thinking, it more like reality is much more incredible than we can even imagine... which makes sense for our tiny pea brains. 🤪 I’m going to watch the rest of these videos! Thank you!!
Wonderful to hear! May your search for the Creator, Jesus Christ, be fruitful and life-changing...though He is not far from each one of us (Acts 17:27)
I am so glad I found this video! Not only is it a great message, but I now know something more about a brother in Christ that I highly respect, Dr. Jason Lisle. The fact that he holds Ken Gentry to such high regard, tells me that Dr. Lisle and I hold the same view of eschatology. Awesome! We are such a small minority of the church. I really hope that God changes that soon. We need the book of Revelation to be praised for the masterwork that it is. GOD kept His word. He always does. I'm so happy. Lol
amazing teacher, its astounding to figure out our bible, its just a treasure trove of wisdom and depth, when you add up the word of our God. we still have a lot to figure out we gotta go deeper, we still haven't scratched the surface. just amazing and a pleasure to know the absolute truth, God bless us all. amen
The Bible is alive. No matter what feild of interest or study you have, you will never exhaust the treasures that God has hidden for us in His word. I just love the moments when a new Revelation clicks in my mind, and I stand there with my mouth agape, glorifying God in His majesty!
He does that because we have read passages of scriptures many times and we can fall into a pattern of glossing over it by what we have always thought it means. But, when we are praying for direction, or discernment, He often uses that same scripture, and we see it from a new way as the answer we need when we see it as He wants us to.
I've watched other lectures from Dr. Lisle, and he is always able to shed new light on tough questions from scripture, and he does it in such a logical manner that all can understand. An amazing mind and a scholar of the Bible, along with study from ancient historians and confirming evidence found by archeologists over the years. Even going back to the original translation of the ancient Hebrew Old Testament, which is the Septuagint, if we are looking for further clarification in proper context. He always produces "WOW!" moments.
Fascinating exploration into scriptures and experiencing our Father Gods word! Truly riveting stuff, thank you so much for helping us understand! God bless this channel in Jesus Christ name and bless all who read this comment! 😇
This is such a tremendous exposition of God’s Word. I love to investigate His Word to learn from it, rather than super impose our traditional manger scene style ideas upon it. There is so much to be gained from this style of Bible study. “Line upon line, precept upon precept.” Praise God for His Word!
So true! The world sees the "Christmas card version" too much, and we can fall into the trap of seeing historical Biblical evidence as a "Bible Story", a myth, or from a poetic viewpoint. It's why the secular world has such a misunderstanding of the Old Testament, especially when it comes to the accounts in Genesis.
Jason Lisle is a liar. There is NO record of the "Star of Bethlehem" in any Roman Record or any record outside the bible. The story of Jesus birth is a fairy tale with no basis in reality.
@The Bibliognost Lisle is a liar. ua-cam.com/video/II3XnsYA3c4/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/FV9UKccc09k/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/XHqGeM_muLY/v-deo.html
Marvelous video, and an excellent and most accurate explanation. Love Jason Lisle. I can assure you he does all his talks live, as if he wasn't, he couldn't very well talk now could he, lol. Love in Christ, ken
Dr. Lisle, I want to add to your phenomenal presentation that, along with the star that the Maji saw, the shepherds in the fields witnessed the great company of angels, another supernatural sign. A matter is established by 2 or 3 witnesses. Whether the two were one and the same is speculative, but would corroborate each other.
@Toma Rogers the "few years later" isn't conclusive from scripture. Remember that Joseph and Mary actually lived in Galilee before they came to Bethlehem and were still, or again, in Bethlehem when the Maji arrived. Something to think about, but mostly what I was getting at was the sign in the sky that both the shepherds and the Maji saw could have been the same, though it's certainly possible they were at different times.
Thank you for sharing how awesome God is! Every electron - mind boggling! Also aren't there smaller objects than electrons, leptons or z-particles and God is in control of all that. He is so awesome and He loves us. I agree with the Psalmist in Pslam 8:3-4 3 When I consider Your heavens, the work of Your fingers, The moon and the stars, which You have ordained, 4 What is man that You are mindful of him, And the son of man that You visit him?
@@jknengr796 We are all sinners saved by grace. Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned". As a result we can be victims of sin. The miracle is when good things happen to us, not bad things. Hell was made for Satan and his evil followers. They will pay the price for evil behavior!!! God has made that very clear!! Luke 12:5 "But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after your body has been killed, has authority to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him." It is better to fear God than man. Proverbs 1:7 "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and instruction." It is wrong and self deceiving to blame God for an imperfect sinful humans actions. Faith and hope are based on forgiveness not hate. And don't forget, an act of faith is just that. Hebrews 11:3"By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God's command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible".
This is the best explanation. Although we dont really know exactly what happened, because so few were even concerned about such a thing back then. It would have to happen this way, and only He would know this. Thank you and have a blessed Sabbath.
I just love listening to Dr. Lisle talk. I wonder if he might do something like what noah justice does for children his age, for the geological history of His creation? But for astrology and the proof here, of His creation.
Yes these are ancient tales told by very superstitious people who didn't know where the sun went at night much less that the stars are suns,multiple times larger then the earth.
GaryWalker - A fool's wrath is presently known: but a prudent man covereth shame. (proverbs 12:16)A fool has no delight in understanding , but that his heart may discover itself (proverbs 18:6)
I had one question. Was Jesus actually Jewish? The only ones who called Him this was pontis pilate and king harod. They didn't actually call Him Jewish though, just king of the Jews.
Someone told me once that He was likely closer to syrian because that's what He mostly spoke. I don't know where they read this or how true it is though.
I've heard the Maji were looking for the star because of Daniels instruction from his revelation. & the treasure they brought was Daniels heritage, as he was a eunic and had no heir. It Makes sense especially as he was well educated as counselor to the King., he was well favored & revered by the kings and other wise men, so they would heep his request, And they were all well trained in astronomy and mathematics
Yes, but Persia was also related to Daniel who was under Babylonian rule UNTIL Persian conquered Babylon. So the Magi could have been either FROM Persia or Babylon (or another related location) and may have learnt all from Daniel. The timing of Daniel's 70 weeks was another indicator of the fullness of time and the time of the end of this Jewish era.
@Toma Rogers I'm not sure how your comment ties into the reply, but advancing cultures will often have several fluent languages in their structure, even America where multilanguage is not heartily taught there are a great many languages spoken here, some are quite old, and long spoken. A language does not die because new government has arisen, just ask the Yiddish, Cajuns, Cherokee, etc..
Earlier works; which Jason may or may not have read on this subject, were "STAR WITNESS" by Dr. Henry M. Morris, Ph.D., _No. 150_, December 1985, in ICR's _Impact_ series. Or, the 1980 book by Kenneth Boa & William Proctor, _The Return of the STAR OF BETHLEHEM: Comet, Stellar Explosion, or Signal from Above?_ (1980, Doubleday & Co., Inc.: Garden City, N.Y.) ISBN: 0-385-15454-2. Both arriving at the same conclusion as Jason Lisle.
Great exposition, the timing is funny, because just as he talks about the baby Jesus and the circumstancecs (34:17) you hear the sound of a baby talking in the audience as if on cue.
I think though it is only a guess that Daniel being in Babylon and having the very office of adviser to the king may have been responsible for the Magi being in the first place. That would explain their knowledge of a Jewish King to come and while it is true that many Jews returned to Judea along with Nehemiah it was still only a small portion of all those in Babylon. It is therefore quite possible that these Magi were Jewish.
The journey of the Magi took around two years and by the time that they came to Jesus He was already around two years old and would have at that time been living in a house. In Matthew 2:9 the way it reads indicates that after they left Hared, the star reappears to lead them to the place where Jesus was...
Parthia to Jerusalem by caravan was a 50 day travel since it's approx. 500 miles. Even in those ancient days 2 years would be enough time to travel the world. You are grossly underestimating how fast one can move by caravan.
There are a few organizations, and now Jason's. :) Jason came out of Answers in Genesis (AiG), then went to Institute for Creation Research (ICR), and now has started his own ministry: Biblical Science Institute. If you want, you can subscribe to his ministry with a monthly donation, or purchase DVD's from the site. All of the aforementioned are great resources; there's also another called Creation Today. While the information is certainly good, it does seems to be geared toward a younger audience, or someone who is relatively young in regard to learning about Creation. Regardless, all are good sources, and I'm sure there are many others out there.
Well thank God he’s postmil. I thought I was the only one left. I only have three things I vary with Reformed theology about. And only dare to do so *because* I read my Bible honestly and am sure.
Way back in 1980, before we even had the first IBM PC, Kenneth Boa and William Proctor published their book _The Return of the STAR OF BETHLEHEM (Comet, Stellar Explosion or Signal from Above?)_, Doubleday & Co., Inc. Although there are parts of the book which speak 'sensationally' about 'UFOs' of demons during the "End Times," the beginning chapters cover the Magi and then debunk all the theories of their time as to what the "star" could be, just as Jason does. Their conclusion was the same: It was supernatural; possibly the Shekinah glory of God. Here we are almost 40 years later! And if one reads Scripture as being the Word of God; absolutely true, there is no natural explanation for this phenomenon.
35:17 the fact that the star appeared again does not blow the Christmas star idea out of the water. As you said it may have been cloudy and they couldn’t see it until later.
Filmed Live! wow that's amazing......I can't watch much of your video, as it give's me a headache. but i scrolled through and didn't see an audience. :( is this really filmed live? or what??
You don't believe what he's saying because you don't believe it, or because of the way he sounds? Seems like you're going in a couple different directions there.
That is a much better explanation than what I have heard. It would have better if the angel guided the magi directly to Bethlehem thus avoiding the baby massacre. Perhaps Matthew should have been more concise in his writing in order to save us from the confusion.
Cannot be a regular occurrence or the Magi would not have recognised it as Our Lords star. It was different from anything else in history because on two different occasions they recognised it as the same star, up to two years apart. Surprised perhaps because they were not expecting to see it again...
I have as a Christian always looked at the universe and everything created both visible and invisible good and evil as subject to a sovereign All-Mighty God under His power and control, down to the smallest particle. The Bible says that the footsteps of a good man are ordered by the Lord. That doesn’t mean that the wicked can do as they please, even Satan must obey the boundaries that God sets as displayed in the book of Job. He knows our thoughts before we think them, implies far more than just being able to read our minds, from the one who made us and knew us before the foundation of the earth, Who knitted us together in our Mothers womb, Who knows us completely far more intimately than we know ourselves. Add to that He knows the end from the beginning, if by saying that you realise that there is no end and by the beginning you mean the start of Creation, there is no beginning or start to our Creator. He knows absolutely everything that there is to know and His knowledge is without limits. Nothing can happen to Him by surprise like, I didn’t know that that was going to happen,everything He has planned and purposed and He doesn’t make mistakes. Jesus fell face down and prayed,” o My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me: nevertheless not as I will, but as you will. This is The Son of God, the very object of The Father ‘s love, the very Creator of the universe, the One that The Father could not possibly Love more. Nobody could have greater persuasive powers than the very Son of God. Now I must insist that at that point in time that if there was another way that would achieve the end result that Creation was purposed for then The Father could have undone all of time and started over, when people ask why I believe that that is the answer. People also like to say that the creation was perfect to start with but the Bible doesn’t use that word at all. You look at the creation account and The Lord only is saying good and very good, if you mean that God perfectly achieved what He purposed to make you would be correct but that is not what is being said. If everything that God made was perfect then Adam would not have fallen, that is not my idea of perfect. By saying this I have not attacked His Word or contradicted it. His word is perfect but the creation He Created was corruptible. With Creation I believe that The Lord set an essential process in motion that ends with a perfect incorruptible universe void of sin and death, full of joy, love and everlasting fellowship between God and His children or His Wife and so on. If the Bible says that the Lord is not willing that any should perish, we aren’t talking about the will of a man. The Bible says that the Lord does what ever He pleases, that means that if He says that He is not willing that anyone should perish. Who is He referring to when He is saying that,” anyone should perish? “ those who He came to seek and to save, Who then are those who are perishing? The answers to that question is obvious in that it is not the ones chosen in Him before the foundation of the earth but the subject is one that is often met by hostility even though we on earth have no definite way to know outside of ourselves the real numbers being saved or lost, only biblical guidelines so we can get an idea in our own circle of experience. People have a habit of jumping to wrong conclusions based on ignorance but I have always believed that because I believe in a perfect Loving all knowing God, that when I am with Him and He tells me answers to all those things that I might ask, I know with confidence right now that nothing He has done will cause anything but praise. I have a quiet confidence that there’s more to understand about the lost then people are realising, this is a result of prayerful study and I am not prepared to go into this subject any further in my comment here. My advice is to obey Scripture if you want to know more about the subject “ seek and you will find, knock and the door will be opened. God Bless to all my brothers and sisters in Christ...
I just wanted to commend you on this. I felt the spirit in your words. God is so complex and yet so simple. Believe in my son and ask forgiveness in his name. And you will have everlasting life. We were meant for so much more than this world and sadly I think everyone on the planet knows it with every fiber of their being but the lost ones just don't want to follow the path because they don't think it'll be as much fun or however they'd like to justify not believing. But the feeling when you not only believe but Know god is real isn't possible to put into words. But I've went on enough. Thank you for your comment. And, asfor me and my house we will serve the Lord
Hasim Hodzic - You are right. Even GOD cannot create anything perfect because any created being or thing etc will by definition infinitely less than the Creator. Only GOD is perfect because HE is Divine. HIS Wisdom be praised. Shalom.
@GaryWalker Not everyone will believe, buddy. Jesus himself said, "He who has ears, let him hear". If don't want to hear God's message, you won't and I'm okay with that.
The supernatural explanation is really the only one that fits. The conjunction of Jupiter and Regulus in the constellation of Virgo clothed in the sun with the moon at her feet was definitely a sign that pointed to the birth of the Messiah, but not the star in question. The star that the Magi followed was not anything explained by the "natural" order of the heavenly bodies.
+David Butler I have no doubt that you will be able to find scholars who believe any number of things, but that doesn't make them correct. People in rebellion to God's word will find any excuse to deny scripture. People like you will gladly follow them for the same reason.
With the help of NASA we can now extrapulate the night Sky by computer generation to any night in the past. including the period of time when Christ was born and there is some interesting activity that happened during that time within the virgo constellation.
I have a few problems with the star being an actual star like the Son only light years away, the idea that one could say, even with special measuring equipment that I know nothing about, that the star is over a particular house.....now..., even with the star being a planet I cannot imagine how that might be done. Maybe if the star was over a City and there were no other city’s near by. I would be hard enough to do with a cloud depending on how high the cloud is. I know that It is true because it’s in the word of God. I don’t speak Greek or Hebrew or any language but English so I can only hope for the translation to be a good one...
In the account of the shepherds there is no mention of a star over head to indicate that he was born King , only about The Angel ofThe Lord declaring His birth and then a multitude of heavenly hosts with the Angel praising God, glory to God in the highest heaven, and peace on earth to people He favours. When the angels had finished they left them and returned to Heaven...
Hasim Hodzic - God's Wisdom is beyond our understanding. The reason why biblical verses appear across the books is to ensure that even if wicked minds were to destroy some books, HIS story would remain intact because it has been scattered across in many places. Everything need not be repeated in every book. Even in Acts and some of Paul's books the story is told.
I wish I had an hour to follow through the whole presentation. I simply hold to the biblical record. Regardless of what God can orchestrate in His creation, the star over Bethlehem was a supernatural event, perhaps even the Shekinah glory. The behavior of the Savior's star is beyond the alignment of any heavenly bodies.
+Duane Burgess "the star over Bethlehem was a supernatural even" So supernatural that *NOBODY* saw it. lol Not one single contemporary historian mentions this "star". In fact, none of the bible stories are mentioned by contemporary historians.....zero. Pretty good trick to have all this bible stuff going on and nobody knows about it.
+John Donahue So? You've got copies of copies of copies. What verifiable evidence can you provide for the authorship of the gospels and that the manuscripts *match* the autographs? Name 3 secular historians who state rising from the dead is "extremely-well-corroborated history" Name 3 secular historians who state walking on water is "extremely-well-corroborated history" ....and the list goes on and on ....will you run from backing up your mouth like you've done in all your other posts? lol
+John Donahue All I've done is challenge you to back up your fat mouth with *verifiable evidence* . All you do is spout BS and commit logical fallacies you whine about. Oh, the hypocrisy. lol "But to discount the Bible as an actual historical account without compelling evidence to the contrary" Another bit of dishonesty. The responsibility to provide verifiable evidence is *ALWAYS* on those who make the positive claim.....never on those to *disprove* the claim. That's like saying invisible flying unicorns are real....now prove they aren't. You failed again. "especially when there were over 500, documented eyewitnesses to Christ's resurrection (not the actual event of course, only those who saw the risen Christ) " Provide a *contemporary non biblical source* for these 500 eyewitnesses to Christ's resurrection......but you won't. Instead you'll run because you've run from providing *ONE* contemporary source for Jesus of Nazareth....so why would this be any different? The bible is true because the bible says it's true...(which is what you are doing) is a *LOGICAL FALLACY* ......circular reasoning. You whine about logical fallacies and commit them over and over and over. You really are very honest, are you?
@@ricksmith3442 that's not true at minimum the banquet in Daniel is documented historically. That's just common knowledge. I could find more if I looked.
The fact that Herod questioned the travelers about what they saw, where, when,etc. gives a big clue to timeline. Herod was not stupid but extremely paranoid about usurpers to his throne where he'd kill his family to save his power. After he pumped the men for information, well, there is a reason Herod selected age 2 and under to wipe out. Even the FBI would call that a clue. Obvious the men traveled from a long distance for Herod to suspect the Christ child was 2 or younger.
Wouldn't Joseph, Mary and Jesus have returned to Galilee by the time the Magi found them? Is there any other indication that they stayed in Bethlehem, after registering for the census, for a year or more, rather than return to their home in Galilee? The timing of the Magi's visit to a house, even though Jesus was born in a manger in Bethlehem, not a house, has always confused me and I'm still confused about their location and when the Magi arrived.
Another possibility was a fiery chariot like Elijah went up in, sent down from Heaven for the occasion, by what you have said it may fit what was required ...
GaryWalker you think, ( if that is a word that even applies to you) that everything came from nothing or that everything simply always was. You ignore any scientific evidence that is overwhelming evidence of intelligent design. The fact that the Earth’s magnetic field could not have possibly supported life more than ten thousand years ago and will no longer support life on earth in as little as two thousand years from now. You don’t even care about reality, you won’t be around then so it’s irrelevant. No Heaven or Hell for you, once you are dead you are dead. And what did you call me?...
GaryWalker we will see soon enough Who is the lies and who is the truth, I believe the gospel you don’t, you came after me, I didn’t invite you, go away...
Hasim Hodzic, in another comment your rebuked Lisle for speculating that there may have been “clouds” when clouds are mot mentioned in this particular verses in scripture. Now you’re adding things that aren’t mentioned either, there is no mention of a fiery chariot in this context. You’re a hypocrite.
Bungdit Din---I have researched it, and the facts surrounding the testimony is solid. Written within 30 years of the event, while people where still alive to refute, had no reason to make up the story, and every reason to deny it, yet the stood on what they saw and wrote it for us to consider. Obviously YOU haven't considered these facts. In fact there was a debate in late 1st century between a man named Polycarp and the Jewish Lawyers of the day. Polycarp complained because the Jewish lawyers accused Jesus of magic (satanic) inspiration for his deeds. But Bugdit, if that is your name, they didn't deny the deeds! An important testimony from a negative witness. Exactly what evidence is desired from the prosecution or defense team in any examination of evidence regarding any event!
If the magi came 40 days after Jesus' birth, then they would have traveled to Nazareth to meet him. Luke 2 describes Jesus' birth and his dedication in the Temple 8 days later. Then Luke 2 finishes the birth account in vs 39, "When Joseph and Mary had done everything required by the Law of the Lord, they returned to Galilee to their own town of Nazareth." This includes Mary's purification sacrifice 40 days after Jesus' birth as required in Old Testament law (Lev 12: 1-8). So 40 days after Jesus was born, He, Joseph and Mary lived in Nazareth. So if the magi were to visit Jesus in Bethlehem, it would have been within 40 days of his birth. If they visited Jesus when he was older, then they would have traveled to Nazareth. Matthew never states that the Magi went to Bethlehem. It only states Herod told the magi that's where Jesus should be. Then after leaving Herod, the Magi saw the star and followed the star to Jesus' house. The house could be in Bethlehem or Nazareth. It could go either way.
I think it’s possible that the Magi first saw the star “at its rising” (because they are fanatical star watchers), but this was something beyond their experience. A star rising in the west?!? So they then search their vast library for anything that happened like this before, or had been prophesied to. Because of the Jewish captivity, and especially Daniel’s position as the leader of the wise men, they had Jewish scriptures in their library (though perhaps not Micah. All the books of the Old Testament weren’t all in one volume). When they found the prophecy, they made arrangements and set off for Israel, perhaps partially because they are power brokers, and this was part of their diplomacy. They may even have come to realize it’s truthfulness because it was something unheard of in all their (vast) knowledge. Seeing a star rising in the west, that was predicted hundreds of years earlier would definitely have made an “impression” [my understatement]. It certainly would to me! And then, like you said, perhaps they got discouraged because of the obliviousness there when they got to Jerusalem. But then the star reappeared, and so on.... I have no basis other than a hunch, but I strongly suspect it was about a year’s time, and that Herod doubled the time frame for the murders just to be sure. A tyrant like that would, at least, double the time frame. Anyhow, that’s my food for thought. It you made it this far, I would love to hear your thoughts about this.
So they didn't necessarily follow a star but saw it rising and went towards Jerusalem thinking this is where the King of the Jews would be born but then the "star" showed up again after meeting with Herod to confirm Bethlehem? Was the "star" really an angel?
My modest opinion regarding His star: it was an starship....for all the details involving this matter. The motive for this to occur, only God's family know
God's family are those who are his, ie. Born of Him in Christ. Your modest theory is taken out of thin air. You seem to know nothing about The living God. Otherwise, you would not joke like that.
sad how many scoffers .... esier to believe in nuthing then look in the mirror and realise there might be sumthing greater then ourselvs out there :( may christ be there for you in that hour of judgement and forgive you for your ignorance
Sad, but I’m glad Jason has chosen to leave the comments open. Shutting down comments is the digital equivalent of running away. It’s been very helpful to my personal apologetic efforts to understand the nature of the objections, even if some of them end up being ad hominem etc.
Agreed in part Alex, but it's even worse than that. They do believe in something - they can't get past the fine-tuning of the universe, so they've invented the "multiverse" theory where we, in this one, got lucky with all the 'coincidences' in nature. The elephant-in-the-room irony is these alleged 'other universes' sit outside this one and are therefore supernatural by definition. This exposes their ABG theology. (anything but God)
God doesn't change. Israel is still His chosen people. They were rejected so that we could be saved, but God is able to graft them in again, according to Paul. God has said He would not cast them off forever. They have suffered many things because of their disobedience, but God is faithful. We are told over and over.
The Magi could have known that Christ would be born in Bethlehem, but they also knew that He had already been born by the time they arrived. So, would they have expected Him to still be in Bethlehem? They were asking where Christ was, not where Christ had been born.
They obviously live east of Jerusalem so when they arrive at Jerusalem naturally when they are explaining their presence they will say they saw the star in the east were they are from, that doesn’t mean that the star that they seen wasn’t West of them at the time, depends on wow you read it. They don’t say anything about following the star until after they leave Herod, following the star from where they lived is assumed. They knew when they seen the star that it meant that The Messiah was born king of the Jews and were He was to be born the same way that the Jewish scribes knew, from Scripture. Don’t forget it was around two years later and being King they naturally went to Herod to find out were Jesus The King was. It doesn’t sound like they were following a star the whole time and went around asking for directions because the star disappeared behind a cloud or something.i don’t have a vast photographic memory of the entire Bible, I am only finding what is said about Jesus birth in Matthew and Luke, the other Two gospel accounts don’t say anything...
Dr. Lisle argues that the Star of the Messiah could not have been a natural object or phenomenon , so it must have been a supernatural one. "It was not a fixed star, nor a planet and the phenomenon excited the keenest interest. That star was a company of shining angels, but of this the wise men were ignorant." (Ellen White - Desire of Ages: chapter 6 "We have seen His Star") So here we have an actual doctor in astrophysics (and one of the most brilliant Christians on the planet) , aligning with what the Spirit of Prophecy says ... With Science ! How cool is that ?!
The step of logic that many make that I can’t understand is the idea that it was 2 years because Herod killed those under 2. 1If you wanted to be sure to kill a new born, you would kill those up to a certain age. I’m sure that if Herod thought that Jesus could have been 2 years old, he would have ordered all under 5s to be killed 2 he didn’t necessarily know how long the Magi had been travelling. 3 if the Magi had been following Daniels prophecies, they could have set of to arrive at the time of his birth, not after, the star could just have been a confirmation. 4 the distance from Babylon to Jerusalem is about 500 miles. You can cover over 30miles per day on a horse, so I see little reason to expect the travel time to be more than a month. The idea that Jesus was actually born before 4bc, comes mostly from Josephus reporting that Herod died 4bc. This is thought to be a copy error and earlier copies have 2bc. Josephus is also not necessarily 100% accurate. I would love to see a discussion with different experts to try to tie down the year of Jesus birth, his death and which day he was crucified. From my accumulated information I would propose: Born about 2bc at feast of tabernacles in September. Started ministry at age 30. 3.5 years ministry Entry into Jerusalem 10 Nissan (time of Crucified, Wednesday, erev pesach (14 Nissan) in year about 32ad. Rose sunday, feast of first fruits. Coming back .........soon.
If they saw the star in the east wouldn't they have traveled eastward rather than westward? Unless they saw a star in the east and then it traveled west and then the Magi followed it west.
Modern translations put it as 'rising' star as opposed to one in the east. An alternative explanation is that somehow their Zoroastrian sacred scrolls foretold of an amazing star in east would mean that they should go to Jerusalem only to be told to go Bethlehem and cause a baby massacre.
I sense replacement theory in your teaching. Israel as a nation will always be blessed as God does not break his promise, if it was replaced, why would God bother bringing it to existence again. Why not just let it disappear as a nation as it almost was, but out of the ashes (the holocaust) they came back to life and existence. That’s God’s work and promise fulfilled. Also, the apostles who are the foundation of Christianity were Jews. Paul himself said that the Gospel is salvation to the Jew first and then to the Greek, as Christ came for what was lost. Gentiles are “grafted” into the tree and not the other way around. This is anecdotic but the greatest teachings I have heard are from Jews who believe in Christ. Also, it’s interesting to note how many great discoveries in science and technology were done by Jews (as well as terrible inventions such as the atomic bomb). To me, they are people who carry blessing from old, from ancient times. God’s plan was to redeem them and to any gentile who also believes. He extended his redemption plan to all the world but Israel is still a central part of his plan. Why would Christ return to Jerusalem? Why not the United States or some other place? Because Jerusalem is still his holy city and Israel his holy land. I recommend you listen to Dr. Michael Heiser’s lectures on sacred geography so that you can gain some insight on how important sacred geography is to God. If you do, a lot of Old Testament scripture will make a lot of sense.
at ~55 minutes you say that God upholds all laws of logic and laws of nature, which I am compelled to believe, but wouldn't the degradation of these same laws kind of contradict this? Like death, does God really uphold my decaying and dying? It's easy to know that he upholds my life, but it doesn't feel quite right to say that he's actively upholding the laws that also beget death. ... And I'm not trying to stump or do some sorta "gotcha" thing, it's just an honest question I have, because your view IS so compelling.
"does God really uphold my decaying and dying?" I think this misunderstands the concept. When God cursed everything it started the decay process. The best way I understand it is that decay is a sort of loosening of Gods upholding power or maybe like a result of a changing of how God previously upheld things before the Fall. Think about Deuteronomy 29:5 "I have led you forty years in the wilderness; your clothes have not worn out on you, and your sandal has not worn out on your foot." How did God do that? He perhaps made the bonds of the atoms of their clothing and sandals to be indestructibly strong so that it would not deteriorate. Or think about The Book of Daniel, where Daniel's three friends were sent into the fiery furnance, God perhaps made those men and their clothing indestructible or removed the heat and flames before it would touch them (just don't know), the fire did not even leave a smell on them and they were also physically comfortable in that intense fire, what exactly God did to achieve this is only something He could answer. But think about it, God could make anything literally indestructible if He wanted to, to make something indestructible to destructible may not be about what He does do but what He doesn't do. Decay and your dying maybe more about or a result of what God no longer does. This is an interesting topic.
That's a good question. Remember that death was the curse that befell man as a result of the fall in the garden. He also pronounced a curse on the ground and in other parts of Scripture is says that the universe groans in anticipation of the return of christ. The Law of Entropy makes more sense in a Christian worldview in my opinion. God judged man, by which sin entered the world, by death. Romans 1:18 also describes that the moral decay in man is also righteous judgement from God for them rejecting Him.
I wish there was a Biblically accurate nativity movie. Since there isn't one, I sure would like one to be made, with Jason Lisle as one of the writers.
Since no currently living person was there, we will unfortunately never know (this side of eternity) all the details outside of what Scripture tells us. Anyway, maybe try "The Chosen" by Dallas Jenkins here on UA-cam. That is a short film from the shepherd's perspective. I also thought that "The Christmas Experience" by Kyle Idleman was pretty well done. Neither are "perfect" of course, but worth a watch in my opinion.
Daniel 9,24 Seventy weeks [of years, or 490 years] are decreed upon your people and upon your holy city [Jerusalem], to finish and put an end to transgression, to seal up and make full the measure of sin, to purge away and make expiation and reconciliation for sin, to bring in everlasting righteousness (permanent moral and spiritual rectitude in every area and relation) to seal up vision and prophecy and prophet, and to anoint a Holy of Holies. 25 Know therefore and understand that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem until [the coming of] the Anointed One, a Prince, shall be seven weeks [of years] and sixty-two weeks [of years]; it shall be built again with [city] square and moat, but in troublous times. 26 And after the sixty-two weeks [of years] shall the Anointed One be cut off or killed and shall have nothing [and no one] belonging to [and defending] Him. And the people of the [other] prince who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. Its end shall come with a flood; and even to the end there shall be war, and desolations are decreed. [Isa. 53:7-9; Nah. 1:8; Matt. 24:6-14.] 27 And he shall enter into a strong and firm covenant with the many for one week [seven years]. And in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and offering to cease [for the remaining three and one-half years]; and upon the wing or pinnacle of abominations [shall come] one who makes desolate, until the full determined end is poured out on the desolator. 1 schavua = 7 years à 360 days (compare Revelation 11,2-3: 42 months - (42 : 12 months= 3,5 years) - X 30 days = 1260 days : 3,5 years = 360 days a year) 70 schavuot = 490 years After *7 schavuot + 62 schavuot = 69 schavuot X 360 days = 173.880 days:* from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem *● 1. Nisan 445 BC = 14th March 445 BC* Nehemiah 2 (445BC: 365-74=) *291* +(365X475[no year zero]=) *173.375* +(leap years) *118* +(32AD:) *96* = *173.880* *● 10th Nisan 32 AD = 6th April 32 AD* until [the coming of] the Anointed One, a Prince [The next day, the large crowd that had come for the festival heard that Yeshua was on his way into Yerushalayim. They took palm branches and went out to meet him, shouting, “Deliver us!” “Blessed is he who comes in the name of Adonai , the King of Isra’el!” After finding a donkey colt, Yeshua mounted it, just as the Tanakh says - “Daughter of Tziyon, don’t be afraid! Look! your King is coming, sitting on a donkey’s colt.” His talmidim did not understand this at first; but after Yeshua had been glorified, then they remembered that the Tanakh said this about him, and that they had done this for him. Yochanan (Jhn) 12, 12-16] shall be seven weeks [of years] and sixty-two weeks [of years]; it shall be built again with [city] square and moat, but in troublous times. 26 And after the sixty-two weeks [of years] shall the Anointed One be cut off or killed and shall have nothing [and no one] belonging to [and defending] Him. 70 AD - Matth. 24, 24: And the people of the [other] prince who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. Its end shall come with a flood; and even to the end there shall be war, and desolations are decreed. [Isa. 53:7-9; Nah. 1:8; Matt. 24:6-14.] 1 schavua (= 7 years) left 70th week - Revelation 6-19, 5: *Daniel 9, 27:* And he (the coming prince; Antichrist; Rev. 13; 2 Thess. 2) shall confirm the covenant with many *for one week [1 schavua = 7 years (2x3,5 years = 2.520 days)]:* and *in the midst of the week (after 3,5 years = 1.260 days)* he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even util the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate [Wherefore hear the word of the Lord, ye scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem. Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves: Therefore thus saith the Lord God, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste. Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place. And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it. From the time that it goeth forth it shall take you: for morning by morning shall it pass over, by day and by night: and it shall be a vexation only to understand the report. For the bed is shorter than that a man can stretch himself on it: and the covering narrower than that he can wrap himself in it. For the Lord shall rise up as in mount Perazim, he shall be wroth as in the valley of Gibeon, that he may do his work, his strange work; and bring to pass his act, his strange act. Now therefore be ye not mockers, lest your bands be made strong: for I have heard from the Lord God of hosts a consumption, even determined upon the whole earth. Give ye ear, and hear my voice; hearken, and hear my speech. Isaiah 28, 14-23]. *Daniel 12, 6-13:* *Vers 6:* And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders? *Vers 7:* And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and share by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times and a half (=3,5 years); and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people [Israel], all these things shall be finished. (Revelation 12, 14: And to the woman [Israel] were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.) *Vers 8:* And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things? *Vers 9:* And he said, Go thy way Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. *Vers 10:* Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand. *Vers 11:* And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that makes desolate [Matthew 24, 15; [2nd Thess. 2]] set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days (1.290). *Vers 12:* Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days (1.335). *Vers 13:* But go thou thy way *till the end be:* for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot *at the end of the days.*
While I appreciate that a "genius" such as- Dr. Jason would give an exhaustive explanation on the subject, doesn't the Bible teach that ANGELS often do the inexplicable things of God? "That star was a distant company of shining angels,..." Desire of Ages page 60.
Awesome, I love listening to Christians who can still think, and give honor to the Word of God. Religious traditions still keep the majority in the dark ages.
Which tradition keeps in dark age? Christmas, Easter, Pentacost? Name it!
53:36 "Laws of nature are descriptions of the normal consistent way that God upholds His creation."
God gaves us two books to reveal who he is, Book of Nature and Book of Scripture.
Wow wow wow. I’ve been exploring religion because I was raised atheist and this REALLY appeals to my sense of logic. It’s like believing in God is not wishful thinking, it more like reality is much more incredible than we can even imagine... which makes sense for our tiny pea brains. 🤪 I’m going to watch the rest of these videos! Thank you!!
This is so beautiful to hear! If you want, let me know how your exploration goes. I am praying for you right now!
Wonderful to hear! May your search for the Creator, Jesus Christ, be fruitful and life-changing...though He is not far from each one of us (Acts 17:27)
Everyone has a knowledge of God and if anyone Denys that, then they are suppressing the truth in unrighteousness, praying for you!
I am so glad I found this video! Not only is it a great message, but I now know something more about a brother in Christ that I highly respect, Dr. Jason Lisle. The fact that he holds Ken Gentry to such high regard, tells me that Dr. Lisle and I hold the same view of eschatology. Awesome! We are such a small minority of the church. I really hope that God changes that soon. We need the book of Revelation to be praised for the masterwork that it is. GOD kept His word. He always does. I'm so happy. Lol
amazing teacher, its astounding to figure out our bible, its just a treasure trove of wisdom and depth, when you add up the word of our God. we still have a lot to figure out we gotta go deeper, we still haven't scratched the surface. just amazing and a pleasure to know the absolute truth, God bless us all. amen
The Bible is alive. No matter what feild of interest or study you have, you will never exhaust the treasures that God has hidden for us in His word.
I just love the moments when a new Revelation clicks in my mind, and I stand there with my mouth agape, glorifying God in His majesty!
Love your passion for Gods word, brother.
He does that because we have read passages of scriptures many times and we can fall into a pattern of glossing over it by what we have always thought it means. But, when we are praying for direction, or discernment, He often uses that same scripture, and we see it from a new way as the answer we need when we see it as He wants us to.
Amen, thank you!
I've watched other lectures from Dr. Lisle, and he is always able to shed new light on tough questions from scripture, and he does it in such a logical manner that all can understand. An amazing mind and a scholar of the Bible, along with study from ancient historians and confirming evidence found by archeologists over the years. Even going back to the original translation of the ancient Hebrew Old Testament, which is the Septuagint, if we are looking for further clarification in proper context. He always produces "WOW!" moments.
Fascinating exploration into scriptures and experiencing our Father Gods word! Truly riveting stuff, thank you so much for helping us understand! God bless this channel in Jesus Christ name and bless all who read this comment! 😇
God bless you as well
This is such a tremendous exposition of God’s Word. I love to investigate His Word to learn from it, rather than super impose our traditional manger scene style ideas upon it. There is so much to be gained from this style of Bible study. “Line upon line, precept upon precept.” Praise God for His Word!
So true! The world sees the "Christmas card version" too much, and we can fall into the trap of seeing historical Biblical evidence as a "Bible Story", a myth, or from a poetic viewpoint. It's why the secular world has such a misunderstanding of the Old Testament, especially when it comes to the accounts in Genesis.
Excellent message! Please ignore the trolls, because they are hoping for errors in your message. God bless you and your family!
Jason Lisle is a liar. There is NO record of the "Star of Bethlehem" in any Roman Record or any record outside the bible. The story of Jesus birth is a fairy tale with no basis in reality.
time will tell.
No, I can tell now. Lisle is a liar.
@The Bibliognost Lisle is a liar.
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@The Bibliognost Nice one! You tell him! But you won't get any discussion from him because his mind is already made up, unfortunately.
I've watched this video four times. I get such relief and comfort watching it.
Excellent work. God Bless, and keep it going.
Thank you. Fabulous, inciteful teaching. ✝️🙏💟
I greatly enjoyed your video and it encouraged me.
Another outstanding presentation from this man. Thank you.
The star is definitely supernatural. It moves and it stops over the top of Christ. It seems to know the movement of the magi throughout their journey.
Marvelous video, and an excellent and most accurate explanation. Love Jason Lisle. I can assure you he does all his talks live, as if he wasn't, he couldn't very well talk now could he, lol. Love in Christ, ken
Loved it thank you
Dr. Lisle please make more videos like this. Thank you
wow what a facinating video
Dr. Lisle, I want to add to your phenomenal presentation that, along with the star that the Maji saw, the shepherds in the fields witnessed the great company of angels, another supernatural sign. A matter is established by 2 or 3 witnesses. Whether the two were one and the same is speculative, but would corroborate each other.
@Toma Rogers the "few years later" isn't conclusive from scripture. Remember that Joseph and Mary actually lived in Galilee before they came to Bethlehem and were still, or again, in Bethlehem when the Maji arrived. Something to think about, but mostly what I was getting at was the sign in the sky that both the shepherds and the Maji saw could have been the same, though it's certainly possible they were at different times.
Interesting. Thank Jason.
Thank you for sharing how awesome God is! Every electron - mind boggling! Also aren't there smaller objects than electrons, leptons or z-particles and God is in control of all that. He is so awesome and He loves us. I agree with the Psalmist in Pslam 8:3-4 3 When I consider Your heavens, the work of Your fingers,
The moon and the stars, which You have ordained,
4 What is man that You are mindful of him,
And the son of man that You visit him?
Patti Cherry . I love your last name !
Yet "God" cannot stop a priest from raping a 10 year old boy or a child from starving. hmmmm. Simple things.
@@jknengr796 hmmmm, simple mind.
@@shoeshineboy5869 Well? Can't answer that can you... What an awesome God to allow a priest to rape a 12 year old boy. Moron.
@@jknengr796 We are all sinners saved by grace. Romans 5:12
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned". As a result we can be victims of sin. The miracle is when good things happen to us, not bad things. Hell was made for Satan and his evil followers. They will pay the price for evil behavior!!! God has made that very clear!! Luke 12:5 "But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after your body has been killed, has authority to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him." It is better to fear God than man. Proverbs 1:7 "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and instruction." It is wrong and self deceiving to blame God for an imperfect sinful humans actions. Faith and hope are based on forgiveness not hate. And don't forget, an act of faith is just that. Hebrews 11:3"By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God's command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible".
The genealogy in the Gospel of Luke goes all the way back to God! :)
This is the best explanation. Although we dont really know exactly what happened, because so few were even concerned about such a thing back then. It would have to happen this way, and only He would know this. Thank you and have a blessed Sabbath.
I just love listening to Dr. Lisle talk. I wonder if he might do something like what noah justice does for children his age, for the geological history of His creation? But for astrology and the proof here, of His creation.
Here:
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This is not an explanation, it is a lie and this fraud has no excuse.
Thank you
One of the most excellent sermons I've ever heard! And this man is a SCIENTIST, not a pastor. Will wonders ever cease!? Praise God!
Yes these are ancient tales told by very superstitious people who didn't know where the sun went at night much less that the stars are suns,multiple times larger then the earth.
Scott, have you watched Dr Lisle's other You Tube videos? I would highly recommend any and all of them. Jesus is King
GaryWalker - A fool's wrath is presently known: but a prudent man covereth shame. (proverbs 12:16)A fool has no delight in understanding , but that his heart may discover itself (proverbs 18:6)
Thank you, great stuff. Only problem I have listening to Jason Lisle is I constantly want to try to clear my throat. Heh
Peace on the Sabbath.
I had one question. Was Jesus actually Jewish? The only ones who called Him this was pontis pilate and king harod. They didn't actually call Him Jewish though, just king of the Jews.
Someone told me once that He was likely closer to syrian because that's what He mostly spoke. I don't know where they read this or how true it is though.
His lineage was that of Jewry, and MANY scriptures call Him Jewish through lineage and His calling to His People (the Jews).
He loves his Alienware ~ Great word Dr. Lisle!
The heavens declare the glory of God
I've heard the Maji were looking for the star because of Daniels instruction from his revelation. & the treasure they brought was Daniels heritage, as he was a eunic and had no heir. It Makes sense especially as he was well educated as counselor to the King., he was well favored & revered by the kings and other wise men, so they would heep his request, And they were all well trained in astronomy and mathematics
Yes, but Persia was also related to Daniel who was under Babylonian rule UNTIL Persian conquered Babylon. So the Magi could have been either FROM Persia or Babylon (or another related location) and may have learnt all from Daniel. The timing of Daniel's 70 weeks was another indicator of the fullness of time and the time of the end of this Jewish era.
@Toma Rogers I'm not sure how your comment ties into the reply, but advancing cultures will often have several fluent languages in their structure, even America where multilanguage is not heartily taught there are a great many languages spoken here, some are quite old, and long spoken. A language does not die because new government has arisen, just ask the Yiddish, Cajuns, Cherokee, etc..
the best!
Can someone link the article that Jason read from in the beginning, the one written by Ken Gentry? Thanks!
Is this the same video as HIS Star...the DVD?
Generally overlooked is that the Bible refers to angels as STARS a number of times . . .
Earlier works; which Jason may or may not have read on this subject, were "STAR WITNESS" by Dr. Henry M. Morris, Ph.D., _No. 150_, December 1985, in ICR's _Impact_ series. Or, the 1980 book by Kenneth Boa & William Proctor, _The Return of the STAR OF BETHLEHEM: Comet, Stellar Explosion, or Signal from Above?_ (1980, Doubleday & Co., Inc.: Garden City, N.Y.) ISBN: 0-385-15454-2. Both arriving at the same conclusion as Jason Lisle.
Great exposition, the timing is funny, because just as he talks about the baby Jesus and the circumstancecs (34:17) you hear the sound of a baby talking in the audience as if on cue.
Do you have a reference for that Gentry article?
It could have been a cluster of Angels in the sky becoming the Star.
I think though it is only a guess that Daniel being in Babylon and having the very office of adviser to the king may have been responsible for the Magi being in the first place. That would explain their knowledge of a Jewish King to come and while it is true that many Jews returned to Judea along with Nehemiah it was still only a small portion of all those in Babylon. It is therefore quite possible that these Magi were Jewish.
Try reading Isaiah 60:6
The journey of the Magi took around two years and by the time that they came to Jesus He was already around two years old and would have at that time been living in a house. In Matthew 2:9 the way it reads indicates that after they left Hared, the star reappears to lead them to the place where Jesus was...
Parthia to Jerusalem by caravan was a 50 day travel since it's approx. 500 miles. Even in those ancient days 2 years would be enough time to travel the world. You are grossly underestimating how fast one can move by caravan.
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Hey is there any way i can help you. I think that an organization like this is very much in demand but not in much supply.
There are a few organizations, and now Jason's. :) Jason came out of Answers in Genesis (AiG), then went to Institute for Creation Research (ICR), and now has started his own ministry: Biblical Science Institute. If you want, you can subscribe to his ministry with a monthly donation, or purchase DVD's from the site. All of the aforementioned are great resources; there's also another called Creation Today. While the information is certainly good, it does seems to be geared toward a younger audience, or someone who is relatively young in regard to learning about Creation. Regardless, all are good sources, and I'm sure there are many others out there.
Well thank God he’s postmil. I thought I was the only one left. I only have three things I vary with Reformed theology about. And only dare to do so *because* I read my Bible honestly and am sure.
Just curious, who is that popular DVD’s author/speaker?
Way back in 1980, before we even had the first IBM PC, Kenneth Boa and William Proctor published their book _The Return of the STAR OF BETHLEHEM (Comet, Stellar Explosion or Signal from Above?)_, Doubleday & Co., Inc. Although there are parts of the book which speak 'sensationally' about 'UFOs' of demons during the "End Times," the beginning chapters cover the Magi and then debunk all the theories of their time as to what the "star" could be, just as Jason does. Their conclusion was the same: It was supernatural; possibly the Shekinah glory of God. Here we are almost 40 years later! And if one reads Scripture as being the Word of God; absolutely true, there is no natural explanation for this phenomenon.
Please can you do a study of Abrahams star
35:17 the fact that the star appeared again does not blow the Christmas star idea out of the water. As you said it may have been cloudy and they couldn’t see it until later.
could someone link me to the article by Gentry about Matthew and Gentiles
Filmed Live! wow that's amazing......I can't watch much of your video, as it give's me a headache. but i scrolled through and didn't see an audience. :( is this really filmed live? or what??
It's live - you can hear the audiences timely responses to things that he says.
he sound's croak'y, I don't believe what he is saying.
You don't believe what he's saying because you don't believe it, or because of the way he sounds? Seems like you're going in a couple different directions there.
That’s your only question?! 🤣
"STAR" can also refer to an "ANGEL"!!! Really a much better explanation than anything astronomers have been able to come up with!!!
Another explanation is the whole story is fiction.
That is a much better explanation than what I have heard. It would have better if the angel guided the magi directly to Bethlehem thus avoiding the baby massacre. Perhaps Matthew should have been more concise in his writing in order to save us from the confusion.
Cannot be a regular occurrence or the Magi would not have recognised it as Our Lords star. It was different from anything else in history because on two different occasions they recognised it as the same star, up to two years apart. Surprised perhaps because they were not expecting to see it again...
Golly. This fella makes me wish I was smart.
I have as a Christian always looked at the universe and everything created both visible and invisible good and evil as subject to a sovereign All-Mighty God under His power and control, down to the smallest particle. The Bible says that the footsteps of a good man are ordered by the Lord. That doesn’t mean that the wicked can do as they please, even Satan must obey the boundaries that God sets as displayed in the book of Job. He knows our thoughts before we think them, implies far more than just being able to read our minds, from the one who made us and knew us before the foundation of the earth, Who knitted us together in our Mothers womb, Who knows us completely far more intimately than we know ourselves. Add to that He knows the end from the beginning, if by saying that you realise that there is no end and by the beginning you mean the start of Creation, there is no beginning or start to our Creator. He knows absolutely everything that there is to know and His knowledge is without limits. Nothing can happen to Him by surprise like, I didn’t know that that was going to happen,everything He has planned and purposed and He doesn’t make mistakes. Jesus fell face down and prayed,” o My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me: nevertheless not as I will, but as you will. This is The Son of God, the very object of The Father ‘s love, the very Creator of the universe, the One that The Father could not possibly Love more. Nobody could have greater persuasive powers than the very Son of God. Now I must insist that at that point in time that if there was another way that would achieve the end result that Creation was purposed for then The Father could have undone all of time and started over, when people ask why I believe that that is the answer. People also like to say that the creation was perfect to start with but the Bible doesn’t use that word at all. You look at the creation account and The Lord only is saying good and very good, if you mean that God perfectly achieved what He purposed to make you would be correct but that is not what is being said. If everything that God made was perfect then Adam would not have fallen, that is not my idea of perfect. By saying this I have not attacked His Word or contradicted it. His word is perfect but the creation He Created was corruptible. With Creation I believe that The Lord set an essential process in motion that ends with a perfect incorruptible universe void of sin and death, full of joy, love and everlasting fellowship between God and His children or His Wife and so on. If the Bible says that the Lord is not willing that any should perish, we aren’t talking about the will of a man. The Bible says that the Lord does what ever He pleases, that means that if He says that He is not willing that anyone should perish. Who is He referring to when He is saying that,” anyone should perish? “ those who He came to seek and to save, Who then are those who are perishing? The answers to that question is obvious in that it is not the ones chosen in Him before the foundation of the earth but the subject is one that is often met by hostility even though we on earth have no definite way to know outside of ourselves the real numbers being saved or lost, only biblical guidelines so we can get an idea in our own circle of experience. People have a habit of jumping to wrong conclusions based on ignorance but I have always believed that because I believe in a perfect Loving all knowing God, that when I am with Him and He tells me answers to all those things that I might ask, I know with confidence right now that nothing He has done will cause anything but praise. I have a quiet confidence that there’s more to understand about the lost then people are realising, this is a result of prayerful study and I am not prepared to go into this subject any further in my comment here. My advice is to obey Scripture if you want to know more about the subject “ seek and you will find, knock and the door will be opened. God Bless to all my brothers and sisters in Christ...
I just wanted to commend you on this. I felt the spirit in your words. God is so complex and yet so simple. Believe in my son and ask forgiveness in his name. And you will have everlasting life. We were meant for so much more than this world and sadly I think everyone on the planet knows it with every fiber of their being but the lost ones just don't want to follow the path because they don't think it'll be as much fun or however they'd like to justify not believing. But the feeling when you not only believe but Know god is real isn't possible to put into words. But I've went on enough. Thank you for your comment. And, asfor me and my house we will serve the Lord
Hasim Hodzic - You are right. Even GOD cannot create anything perfect because any created being or thing etc will by definition infinitely less than the Creator. Only GOD is perfect because HE is Divine.
HIS Wisdom be praised.
Shalom.
There is no Gary Walker. That post self generated by chance. Ignore it.
@GaryWalker
Yes, you are real and Jesus loves you even though you deny Him.
@GaryWalker
Not everyone will believe, buddy. Jesus himself said, "He who has ears, let him hear". If don't want to hear God's message, you won't and I'm okay with that.
The supernatural explanation is really the only one that fits. The conjunction of Jupiter and Regulus in the constellation of Virgo clothed in the sun with the moon at her feet was definitely a sign that pointed to the birth of the Messiah, but not the star in question. The star that the Magi followed was not anything explained by the "natural" order of the heavenly bodies.
The story is apocryphal. Biblical scholars agree on this
+David Butler
I have no doubt that you will be able to find scholars who believe any number of things, but that doesn't make them correct. People in rebellion to God's word will find any excuse to deny scripture. People like you will gladly follow them for the same reason.
Which apocryphal book is it?
With the help of NASA we can now extrapulate the night Sky by computer generation to any night in the past. including the period of time when Christ was born and there is some interesting activity that happened during that time within the virgo constellation.
Mary and Joseph are living in chile ⭐
I have a few problems with the star being an actual star like the Son only light years away, the idea that one could say, even with special measuring equipment that I know nothing about, that the star is over a particular house.....now..., even with the star being a planet I cannot imagine how that might be done. Maybe if the star was over a City and there were no other city’s near by. I would be hard enough to do with a cloud depending on how high the cloud is. I know that It is true because it’s in the word of God. I don’t speak Greek or Hebrew or any language but English so I can only hope for the translation to be a good one...
if all stars and planets were closer together before the red shift wouldn't there be a gravitational pull problem?
The fabric of space has been expanding ever since the Big Bang. Within our universe, there was no "before the red shift".
interesting
In the account of the shepherds there is no mention of a star over head to indicate that he was born King , only about The Angel ofThe Lord declaring His birth and then a multitude of heavenly hosts with the Angel praising God, glory to God in the highest heaven, and peace on earth to people He favours. When the angels had finished they left them and returned to Heaven...
Hasim Hodzic - God's Wisdom is beyond our understanding.
The reason why biblical verses appear across the books is to ensure that even if wicked minds were to destroy some books, HIS story would remain intact because it has been scattered across in many places. Everything need not be repeated in every book. Even in Acts and some of Paul's books the story is told.
I wish I had an hour to follow through the whole presentation. I simply hold to the biblical record. Regardless of what God can orchestrate in His creation, the star over Bethlehem was a supernatural event, perhaps even the Shekinah glory. The behavior of the Savior's star is beyond the alignment of any heavenly bodies.
+Duane Burgess
"the star over Bethlehem was a supernatural even"
So supernatural that *NOBODY* saw it. lol
Not one single contemporary historian mentions this "star". In fact, none of the bible stories are mentioned by contemporary historians.....zero.
Pretty good trick to have all this bible stuff going on and nobody knows about it.
+John Donahue
My "thesis" ?.....lol
The "Star of Bethlehem" is nothing more than a goat herder narrative. But, that shouldn't be a surprise.
+John Donahue
So? You've got copies of copies of copies. What verifiable evidence can you provide for the authorship of the gospels and that the manuscripts *match* the autographs?
Name 3 secular historians who state rising from the dead is "extremely-well-corroborated history"
Name 3 secular historians who state walking on water is "extremely-well-corroborated history"
....and the list goes on and on
....will you run from backing up your mouth like you've done in all your other posts? lol
+John Donahue
All I've done is challenge you to back up your fat mouth with *verifiable evidence* . All you do is spout BS and commit logical fallacies you whine about. Oh, the hypocrisy. lol
"But to discount the Bible as an actual historical account without compelling evidence to the contrary"
Another bit of dishonesty. The responsibility to provide verifiable evidence is *ALWAYS* on those who make the positive claim.....never on those to *disprove* the claim. That's like saying invisible flying unicorns are real....now prove they aren't.
You failed again.
"especially when there were over 500, documented eyewitnesses to Christ's resurrection (not the actual event of course, only those who saw the risen Christ) "
Provide a *contemporary non biblical source* for these 500 eyewitnesses to Christ's resurrection......but you won't. Instead you'll run because you've run from providing *ONE* contemporary source for Jesus of Nazareth....so why would this be any different?
The bible is true because the bible says it's true...(which is what you are doing) is a *LOGICAL FALLACY* ......circular reasoning. You whine about logical fallacies and commit them over and over and over.
You really are very honest, are you?
@@ricksmith3442 that's not true at minimum the banquet in Daniel is documented historically. That's just common knowledge. I could find more if I looked.
The fact that Herod questioned the travelers about what they saw, where, when,etc. gives a big clue to timeline. Herod was not stupid but extremely paranoid about usurpers to his throne where he'd kill his family to save his power. After he pumped the men for information, well, there is a reason Herod selected age 2 and under to wipe out. Even the FBI would call that a clue. Obvious the men traveled from a long distance for Herod to suspect the Christ child was 2 or younger.
Baltic Hammer . Boy, did he ever pump the men !
He just didn't think about sending spies and assassins to follow the magi. What a dumbass!
Lmao
Does Jason believe in a local visible church or a universal invisible church?
Wouldn't Joseph, Mary and Jesus have returned to Galilee by the time the Magi found them? Is there any other indication that they stayed in Bethlehem, after registering for the census, for a year or more, rather than return to their home in Galilee? The timing of the Magi's visit to a house, even though Jesus was born in a manger in Bethlehem, not a house, has always confused me and I'm still confused about their location and when the Magi arrived.
Angels are often referred to as "stars". So, it could have been and angel guiding them to Bethlehem and "stood" over the house.
Another possibility was a fiery chariot like Elijah went up in, sent down from Heaven for the occasion, by what you have said it may fit what was required ...
GaryWalker 2 Kings 2:11 look it up. Your argument is with God, not me...
GaryWalker you think, ( if that is a word that even applies to you) that everything came from nothing or that everything simply always was. You ignore any scientific evidence that is overwhelming evidence of intelligent design. The fact that the Earth’s magnetic field could not have possibly supported life more than ten thousand years ago and will no longer support life on earth in as little as two thousand years from now. You don’t even care about reality, you won’t be around then so it’s irrelevant. No Heaven or Hell for you, once you are dead you are dead. And what did you call me?...
GaryWalker you believe what you like, I didn’t ask too talk with you, leave me alone and keep your filthy language to yourself...
GaryWalker we will see soon enough Who is the lies and who is the truth, I believe the gospel you don’t, you came after me, I didn’t invite you, go away...
Hasim Hodzic, in another comment your rebuked Lisle for speculating that there may have been “clouds” when clouds are mot mentioned in this particular verses in scripture. Now you’re adding things that aren’t mentioned either, there is no mention of a fiery chariot in this context. You’re a hypocrite.
Bungdit Din---I have researched it, and the facts surrounding the testimony is solid. Written within 30 years of the event, while people where still alive to refute, had no reason to make up the story, and every reason to deny it, yet the stood on what they saw and wrote it for us to consider. Obviously YOU haven't considered these facts.
In fact there was a debate in late 1st century between a man named Polycarp and the Jewish Lawyers of the day. Polycarp complained because the Jewish lawyers accused Jesus of magic (satanic) inspiration for his deeds. But Bugdit, if that is your name, they didn't deny the deeds! An important testimony from a negative witness. Exactly what evidence is desired from the prosecution or defense team in any examination of evidence regarding any event!
kelly clemensen . That's exactly right, whatever you said ! Evidence ? We don't need no stinking evidence !
How old is Dr. Lisle?
If the magi came 40 days after Jesus' birth, then they would have traveled to Nazareth to meet him. Luke 2 describes Jesus' birth and his dedication in the Temple 8 days later. Then Luke 2 finishes the birth account in vs 39, "When Joseph and Mary had done everything required by the Law of the Lord, they returned to Galilee to their own town of Nazareth." This includes Mary's purification sacrifice 40 days after Jesus' birth as required in Old Testament law (Lev 12: 1-8). So 40 days after Jesus was born, He, Joseph and Mary lived in Nazareth. So if the magi were to visit Jesus in Bethlehem, it would have been within 40 days of his birth. If they visited Jesus when he was older, then they would have traveled to Nazareth.
Matthew never states that the Magi went to Bethlehem. It only states Herod told the magi that's where Jesus should be. Then after leaving Herod, the Magi saw the star and followed the star to Jesus' house. The house could be in Bethlehem or Nazareth. It could go either way.
I think it’s possible that the Magi first saw the star “at its rising” (because they are fanatical star watchers), but this was something beyond their experience. A star rising in the west?!? So they then search their vast library for anything that happened like this before, or had been prophesied to. Because of the Jewish captivity, and especially Daniel’s position as the leader of the wise men, they had Jewish scriptures in their library (though perhaps not Micah. All the books of the Old Testament weren’t all in one volume).
When they found the prophecy, they made arrangements and set off for Israel, perhaps partially because they are power brokers, and this was part of their diplomacy.
They may even have come to realize it’s truthfulness because it was something unheard of in all their (vast) knowledge. Seeing a star rising in the west, that was predicted hundreds of years earlier would definitely have made an “impression” [my understatement]. It certainly would to me!
And then, like you said, perhaps they got discouraged because of the obliviousness there when they got to Jerusalem. But then the star reappeared, and so on....
I have no basis other than a hunch, but I strongly suspect it was about a year’s time, and that Herod doubled the time frame for the murders just to be sure. A tyrant like that would, at least, double the time frame.
Anyhow, that’s my food for thought. It you made it this far, I would love to hear your thoughts about this.
I doubt any of this happened, there is nothing to document that there was anything unusual in the skies.
So they didn't necessarily follow a star but saw it rising and went towards Jerusalem thinking this is where the King of the Jews would be born but then the "star" showed up again after meeting with Herod to confirm Bethlehem? Was the "star" really an angel?
Just occurred to me "Filmed Live"...? Can't think of an example of anything that wasn't filmed live.
Balaams prophecy -24:17 when the king rises the star rises
My modest opinion regarding His star: it was an starship....for all the details involving this matter. The motive for this to occur, only God's family know
God's family are those who are his, ie. Born of Him in Christ. Your modest theory is taken out of thin air. You seem to know nothing about The living God. Otherwise, you would not joke like that.
The Raelians will support this hypothesis.
Daniel was the one who prophesied the time of the coming Messiah in Daniel chapter 9:24-27.
Too beautiful,do you have a book on this?
sad how many scoffers .... esier to believe in nuthing then look in the mirror and realise there might be sumthing greater then ourselvs out there :( may christ be there for you in that hour of judgement and forgive you for your ignorance
Sad, but I’m glad Jason has chosen to leave the comments open. Shutting down comments is the digital equivalent of running away. It’s been very helpful to my personal apologetic efforts to understand the nature of the objections, even if some of them end up being ad hominem etc.
Agreed in part Alex, but it's even worse than that. They do believe in something - they can't get past the fine-tuning of the universe, so they've invented the "multiverse" theory where we, in this one, got lucky with all the 'coincidences' in nature. The elephant-in-the-room irony is these alleged 'other universes' sit outside this one and are therefore supernatural by definition. This exposes their ABG theology. (anything but God)
In hungarian "east" and "rising" are actually one word.
try a planetary conjunction seen on sept. 11th 3bc look up other studies on subject matter.
God doesn't change. Israel is still His chosen people. They were rejected so that we could be saved, but God is able to graft them in again, according to Paul. God has said He would not cast them off forever. They have suffered many things because of their disobedience, but God is faithful. We are told over and over.
With the universe expanding maybe stars and planets were a lot closer 2000 years ago? Just a thought...
The Magi could have known that Christ would be born in Bethlehem, but they also knew that He had already been born by the time they arrived. So, would they have expected Him to still be in Bethlehem? They were asking where Christ was, not where Christ had been born.
They obviously live east of Jerusalem so when they arrive at Jerusalem naturally when they are explaining their presence they will say they saw the star in the east were they are from, that doesn’t mean that the star that they seen wasn’t West of them at the time, depends on wow you read it. They don’t say anything about following the star until after they leave Herod, following the star from where they lived is assumed. They knew when they seen the star that it meant that The Messiah was born king of the Jews and were He was to be born the same way that the Jewish scribes knew, from Scripture. Don’t forget it was around two years later and being King they naturally went to Herod to find out were Jesus The King was. It doesn’t sound like they were following a star the whole time and went around asking for directions because the star disappeared behind a cloud or something.i don’t have a vast photographic memory of the entire Bible, I am only finding what is said about Jesus birth in Matthew and Luke, the other Two gospel accounts don’t say anything...
Dr. Lisle argues that the Star of the Messiah could not have been a natural object or phenomenon , so it must have been a supernatural one.
"It was not a fixed star, nor a planet and the phenomenon excited the keenest interest. That star was a company of shining angels, but of this the wise men were ignorant."
(Ellen White - Desire of Ages: chapter 6 "We have seen His Star")
So here we have an actual doctor in astrophysics (and one of the most brilliant Christians on the planet) , aligning with what the Spirit of Prophecy says ... With Science !
How cool is that ?!
Not only was Jesus (the bread of life) born in Bethlehem, (the house of bread), he was also placed in a feeding trough. ❤
The step of logic that many make that I can’t understand is the idea that it was 2 years because Herod killed those under 2.
1If you wanted to be sure to kill a new born, you would kill those up to a certain age. I’m sure that if Herod thought that Jesus could have been 2 years old, he would have ordered all under 5s to be killed
2 he didn’t necessarily know how long the Magi had been travelling.
3 if the Magi had been following Daniels prophecies, they could have set of to arrive at the time of his birth, not after, the star could just have been a confirmation.
4 the distance from Babylon to Jerusalem is about 500 miles. You can cover over 30miles per day on a horse, so I see little reason to expect the travel time to be more than a month.
The idea that Jesus was actually born before 4bc, comes mostly from Josephus reporting that Herod died 4bc. This is thought to be a copy error and earlier copies have 2bc. Josephus is also not necessarily 100% accurate.
I would love to see a discussion with different experts to try to tie down the year of Jesus birth, his death and which day he was crucified.
From my accumulated information I would propose:
Born about 2bc at feast of tabernacles in September.
Started ministry at age 30.
3.5 years ministry
Entry into Jerusalem 10 Nissan (time of
Crucified, Wednesday, erev pesach (14 Nissan) in year about 32ad.
Rose sunday, feast of first fruits.
Coming back .........soon.
Is that an Alienware laptop? Jason, do you game?
Christopher Eckerdt he probably uses it to run his math and astronomy software
A great message was preached, and you come up with Alien Software? Keen observation! How about a awesome message was given!
Not everyone wastes their time in fantasy land.
@@ronaldsmall8847 Especially about ones that state we came from a bunch of chemical compounds.
Isaiah 60:6 may suggest other countries than Persia :)
Atheist Pros you have to love them laughing out loud
It may have been Venus- the bible says "And I will give you the morning star ( day star)
If they saw the star in the east wouldn't they have traveled eastward rather than westward? Unless they saw a star in the east and then it traveled west and then the Magi followed it west.
+ Patti Cherry
Stop trying to make sense of a goat herder myth. It's all made up by cult followers.
Modern translations put it as 'rising' star as opposed to one in the east. An alternative explanation is that somehow their Zoroastrian sacred scrolls foretold of an amazing star in east would mean that they should go to Jerusalem only to be told to go Bethlehem and cause a baby massacre.
I sense replacement theory in your teaching. Israel as a nation will always be blessed as God does not break his promise, if it was replaced, why would God bother bringing it to existence again. Why not just let it disappear as a nation as it almost was, but out of the ashes (the holocaust) they came back to life and existence. That’s God’s work and promise fulfilled. Also, the apostles who are the foundation of Christianity were Jews. Paul himself said that the Gospel is salvation to the Jew first and then to the Greek, as Christ came for what was lost. Gentiles are “grafted” into the tree and not the other way around. This is anecdotic but the greatest teachings I have heard are from Jews who believe in Christ. Also, it’s interesting to note how many great discoveries in science and technology were done by Jews (as well as terrible inventions such as the atomic bomb). To me, they are people who carry blessing from old, from ancient times. God’s plan was to redeem them and to any gentile who also believes. He extended his redemption plan to all the world but Israel is still a central part of his plan. Why would Christ return to Jerusalem? Why not the United States or some other place? Because Jerusalem is still his holy city and Israel his holy land. I recommend you listen to Dr. Michael Heiser’s lectures on sacred geography so that you can gain some insight on how important sacred geography is to God. If you do, a lot of Old Testament scripture will make a lot of sense.
at ~55 minutes you say that God upholds all laws of logic and laws of nature, which I am compelled to believe, but wouldn't the degradation of these same laws kind of contradict this? Like death, does God really uphold my decaying and dying? It's easy to know that he upholds my life, but it doesn't feel quite right to say that he's actively upholding the laws that also beget death.
... And I'm not trying to stump or do some sorta "gotcha" thing, it's just an honest question I have, because your view IS so compelling.
"does God really uphold my decaying and dying?"
I think this misunderstands the concept. When God cursed everything it started the decay process. The best way I understand it is that decay is a sort of loosening of Gods upholding power or maybe like a result of a changing of how God previously upheld things before the Fall.
Think about Deuteronomy 29:5 "I have led you forty years in the wilderness; your clothes have not worn out on you, and your sandal has not worn out on your foot."
How did God do that? He perhaps made the bonds of the atoms of their clothing and sandals to be indestructibly strong so that it would not deteriorate. Or think about The Book of Daniel, where Daniel's three friends were sent into the fiery furnance, God perhaps made those men and their clothing indestructible or removed the heat and flames before it would touch them (just don't know), the fire did not even leave a smell on them and they were also physically comfortable in that intense fire, what exactly God did to achieve this is only something He could answer. But think about it, God could make anything literally indestructible if He wanted to, to make something indestructible to destructible may not be about what He does do but what He doesn't do. Decay and your dying maybe more about or a result of what God no longer does.
This is an interesting topic.
That's a good question. Remember that death was the curse that befell man as a result of the fall in the garden. He also pronounced a curse on the ground and in other parts of Scripture is says that the universe groans in anticipation of the return of christ. The Law of Entropy makes more sense in a Christian worldview in my opinion. God judged man, by which sin entered the world, by death. Romans 1:18 also describes that the moral decay in man is also righteous judgement from God for them rejecting Him.
Why would you want to live forever apart from God in this wicked fallen world?
Can't God who made the sun stop, Stop the star too
First coming Israel Second coming Chile ⭐
Jim Larson and Jason should have a long lunch..
I wish there was a Biblically accurate nativity movie. Since there isn't one, I sure would like one to be made, with Jason Lisle as one of the writers.
Since no currently living person was there, we will unfortunately never know (this side of eternity) all the details outside of what Scripture tells us.
Anyway, maybe try "The Chosen" by Dallas Jenkins here on UA-cam. That is a short film from the shepherd's perspective.
I also thought that "The Christmas Experience" by Kyle Idleman was pretty well done. Neither are "perfect" of course, but worth a watch in my opinion.
Daniel 9,24 Seventy weeks [of years, or 490 years] are decreed upon your people and upon your holy city [Jerusalem], to finish and put an end to transgression, to seal up and make full the measure of sin, to purge away and make expiation and reconciliation for sin, to bring in everlasting righteousness (permanent moral and spiritual rectitude in every area and relation) to seal up vision and prophecy and prophet, and to anoint a Holy of Holies.
25 Know therefore and understand that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem until [the coming of] the Anointed One, a Prince, shall be seven weeks [of years] and sixty-two weeks [of years]; it shall be built again with [city] square and moat, but in troublous times. 26 And after the sixty-two weeks [of years] shall the Anointed One be cut off or killed and shall have nothing [and no one] belonging to [and defending] Him. And the people of the [other] prince who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. Its end shall come with a flood; and even to the end there shall be war, and desolations are decreed. [Isa. 53:7-9; Nah. 1:8; Matt. 24:6-14.] 27 And he shall enter into a strong and firm covenant with the many for one week [seven years]. And in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and offering to cease [for the remaining three and one-half years]; and upon the wing or pinnacle of abominations [shall come] one who makes desolate, until the full determined end is poured out on the desolator.
1 schavua = 7 years à 360 days (compare Revelation 11,2-3: 42 months - (42 : 12 months= 3,5 years) - X 30 days = 1260 days : 3,5 years = 360 days a year)
70 schavuot = 490 years
After *7 schavuot + 62 schavuot = 69 schavuot X 360 days = 173.880 days:*
from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem
*● 1. Nisan 445 BC = 14th March 445 BC*
Nehemiah 2
(445BC: 365-74=) *291*
+(365X475[no year zero]=) *173.375*
+(leap years) *118*
+(32AD:) *96*
= *173.880*
*● 10th Nisan 32 AD = 6th April 32 AD*
until [the coming of] the Anointed One, a Prince
[The next day, the large crowd that had come for the festival heard that Yeshua was on his way into Yerushalayim. They took palm branches and went out to meet him, shouting, “Deliver us!” “Blessed is he who comes in the name of Adonai , the King of Isra’el!” After finding a donkey colt, Yeshua mounted it, just as the Tanakh says - “Daughter of Tziyon, don’t be afraid! Look! your King is coming, sitting on a donkey’s colt.” His talmidim did not understand this at first; but after Yeshua had been glorified, then they remembered that the Tanakh said this about him, and that they had done this for him. Yochanan (Jhn) 12, 12-16]
shall be seven weeks [of years] and sixty-two weeks [of years]; it shall be built again with [city] square and moat, but in troublous times.
26 And after the sixty-two weeks [of years] shall the Anointed One be cut off or killed and shall have nothing [and no one] belonging to [and defending] Him.
70 AD - Matth. 24, 24:
And the people of the [other] prince who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary.
Its end shall come with a flood;
and even to the end there shall be war, and desolations are decreed. [Isa. 53:7-9; Nah. 1:8; Matt. 24:6-14.]
1 schavua (= 7 years) left
70th week - Revelation 6-19, 5:
*Daniel 9, 27:* And he (the coming prince; Antichrist; Rev. 13; 2 Thess. 2) shall confirm the covenant with many *for one week [1 schavua = 7 years (2x3,5 years = 2.520 days)]:* and *in the midst of the week (after 3,5 years = 1.260 days)* he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even util the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate [Wherefore hear the word of the Lord, ye scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem. Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves: Therefore thus saith the Lord God, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste. Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place. And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it. From the time that it goeth forth it shall take you: for morning by morning shall it pass over, by day and by night: and it shall be a vexation only to understand the report. For the bed is shorter than that a man can stretch himself on it: and the covering narrower than that he can wrap himself in it. For the Lord shall rise up as in mount Perazim, he shall be wroth as in the valley of Gibeon, that he may do his work, his strange work; and bring to pass his act, his strange act. Now therefore be ye not mockers, lest your bands be made strong: for I have heard from the Lord God of hosts a consumption, even determined upon the whole earth. Give ye ear, and hear my voice; hearken, and hear my speech. Isaiah 28, 14-23].
*Daniel 12, 6-13:*
*Vers 6:* And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?
*Vers 7:* And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and share by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times and a half (=3,5 years); and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people [Israel], all these things shall be finished.
(Revelation 12, 14: And to the woman [Israel] were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.)
*Vers 8:* And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
*Vers 9:* And he said, Go thy way Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
*Vers 10:* Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
*Vers 11:* And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that makes desolate [Matthew 24, 15; [2nd Thess. 2]] set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days (1.290).
*Vers 12:* Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days (1.335).
*Vers 13:* But go thou thy way *till the end be:* for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot *at the end of the days.*
While I appreciate that a "genius" such as- Dr. Jason would give an exhaustive explanation on the subject, doesn't the Bible teach that ANGELS often do the inexplicable things of God? "That star was a distant company of shining angels,..." Desire of Ages page 60.
ATAVMJPRO . Please stay on your meds. !
Ellen White was a False prophetess.