Automotive designer here. I have only 2 points. 1) People use aftermarket crash guards on almost all brand bikes, why the issue only with RE? 2) If chassis is weak at one point, why wasn't it reinforced or welded with a backup (redundancy) member at the place? This points to a QC failure. In the end, this flaw can cause serious accidents and whatever may be the cause of it, the user confidence is definitely shattered and it's hard to come back from it unless RE recalls the bikes and reinforces the chassis.
Considering the track record, asking for a recall means publicly accepting the mistake, which is not the tendency with Indian manufacturers, thanks to consumer laws that favour businesses more than consumers.
If u don't use proper bolts after putting crash guard and using wrong bolts it will happen in any bike which uses engine as stress member. Same issue also happened in ktm bikes and many other bikes. The thing is it is highlighted more in case of RE because it gives more views.
@@surisurya3577 that we thought at first but that guy removed the gaurd after incident so some photos don’t show gaurd but when we checked older photos gaurd were installed
There are 100 s of motorcycles in the market today & 1000 s of assasories or crash guards available for them but none of these bike breaks their chassis except RE HIMALAYAN ( like 411 ). Blaming aftermarket accesories better RE should improve their quality. Because buying an adventure motorcycle in india is an emotion for us. Very sad.
Therr are 1000s of Himalayan, but no one had such issues ever. Many have gone to Leh Ladakh with these bikes. And they load the bike much more than what we do in normal trips. Howcome no such issue cropped in the Hilly roads ?
Isse jyada mazboot meri hero ki cycle hai, ye koi baat hui bahar se. Crash guard laga hai to frame toot jayega, koi sense banta bhi hai to, itne saalo saal test karti re bikes ko, kya ghanta test karte ho ha sirf hype create karte ho, 411 me bhi same issue tha, india. Vehicle manufacturers are still not in the right direction irrespective of their profitability. Basics ki ma ki aankh hai sabki.
Good analysis! However, FYI crash guards are built to protect the engine not your legs. So don't look at the RE rally guard costing 9950 and think itna small guard ko jada price kyu hai vs regular RE guard, also the rally guard is esthetically designed compared to after market parts which look like a monstrosity
Both the RE guards look better than after market ones but i still believe that rally gaurds will just protect lower engine casing , if you see all adventure bikes gaurds are designed in such a way that when faller its easy to lift the bike and minimum damage happens to luggage and tank
Royal Enfield continues his legacy.same issue had with 411 as well.that’s why I chose ktm 390 adv over Royal Enfield.for Royal Enfield lovers I’m sorry but they should improve the quality..
Very sad to see this kind of experience from Royal Enfield, loyal Indian customers kept the brand alive at their worst times and now we are getting this in return
Watched many REVIEWS ON "HIMALAYAN 450 ADV" "CHASSIS BREAKDOWN", your video provided the most technical explanation with graphical depiction. Most comforting with all possible scenarios required, to understand & overcome the problem presented to rider community. Hope to see worrisome issue & solution reasoned by all riders, clear their emotions by putting some thought. Thanku for this thoughtful one. Thank you & cheers.
Stress members are supposed to be reinforced, but not seen in this case. This frame is supposed to handle extreme load, stress & strain on it as it is an off-road machine. This seems under engineered, little bit more strength in the stress members would have been a lot better. Aftermarket crash guards may cause vibrations but it will affect the joints mostly unless and until there is already a failure point in the member. Anyone who have studied engg mechanics will know this.
I think the point regarding welding and heat treatment could be the real issue. The steel tube just got torn instead of bending. Since there are too-many welds around that breakage area it could be, because of steel becoming brittle due to the heat from welds. It’s not any subframe that broke but the main one. It’s the fist attempt of RE with a twin spar frame. I think a recall is in the pipeline..
First batch of continental gt and interceptor had issues in front suspension, US and Europe got the recall, India never got a recall, only further bikes got it fixed. Indian customers are always taken for granted because of weak consumer laws we have
Eicher Motorcycles will continue using buyers as Guinea Pigs, they will continue having quality issues as they still continue concentrating on quantity over quality, and, third, the new Himalayan has kept up the tradition of broken Chassis.
I cancel my plan after chassis issue to buy himu 450....... Dil tor deye .,.... RE ne .,..... Ktm chassis are well engineer and bajaj domi & ns have tough chassis than this himu chassis I have ride my ns200 lakh km in eastern Himalayas.....zero issue ..or..no issue of chassis now planning to get ktm adv 390 after cancelled himu 450
I will share my presonal opinion...i have std 500 BS3 2015 model, you know in that bikes crash guards are mount separately with clamps without removing any sort of chasis bolt or any other critical engine bolt ...but in Himalyan i can see engine is connected to chasi and on that leg guard are connected...so problem might increase if bike just may even drop from ideal position...where join may be dmg
May be resonance frequency and natural frequency issues. But RE exporting motorcycle have different material composition in Europe. Most indian variant has these type of issues. But it's Amazing motorcycle ❤
There is no chasis break case in Europ or America. Because of strict quality control. And in India here are multiple of these cases have been registered. It is as simple as that. RE is providing us low grade product just for their profit. Tootega nhi to update kaise aayega or maal kaise bikega.
Very well explained... my opinion for RE is to come up with strong thick frame and dont bridge the frame with engine i mean this current frame is called the back bone frame ideally they should use doubled cardle frame.
They purchase commodities from cheap vendors of China & Taiwan to maximize profit. Meanwhile other manufacturers who purchase commodities from reliable and good vendors rarely face such issues. RE should build some reliable vendors.
Great video bro covering all the possibilities. It’s pretty clear RE is giving all the lame reasons. Himalayan is an adventure bike and is meant to take much more abuses compared to city oriented motorcycles. RE has doesn’t have cleans history of manufacturing defects. Even hunter had rusting issues within months of purchase. There are lot more advs out there with no such reported issue. Addition of crash guards won’t result in such damages, unless they have made the chassis very brittle and it is failing to transfer the vibrations or loads. Coming the handle issue, there’s issue in the clamp of 452, would recommend you to switch to those of 411. They are much better.
RE doesn't make bikes for riding, but for selling their spare parts. Which is why RE bike owners visit garages more than any other brand bikes. "Personal experience "
Brilliant analysis! I have the OEM crash guards same like yours, One thing i noticed is whenever I put the bike on center stand I hear a ***click**** noise. Is this something that should be checked? I installed them at RE service center and they claim its normal. Do you hear the sound while you put the bike on center stand? You have to listen to it carefully though
I daily put it in centre stand last time before night and i never heard such sound. Brother RE mechanics are very notorious to put back less number of bolts than they opened. Please get it checked once and don’t take any risk, i checked mine through myself and then yesterday took it to service centre too to get it checked by them.
@@rahulbhoir1820 actually if you think so, loose chain could also make similar sound but i assume your bike is new so that ideally might not be the case here
@@gentlemenandmotorcycles hmm chain noise is somthing anyone easily noticed so going by his text I replied bt chain noise is possible if chain setting is not done in right way
I m not sure, but as per the pics, both bikes have used the same brand crash guard, if u see. Ek aur chiz ha, ki user ne shayad pehle koi ride wagera me koi rugged terrain par ride, offroad might be Kara hoga which may induce pre damage, jo koi ek jhatke se city me Tut gya. Actually there can a hell lot of reasons. But isko hum legacy of chassis break nahi bol sakte kiu some lakh units of 411 was sold over years, how many cases of chassis break do we know, won't even account for 0.1 percent. Aur dusre bike me hua ki nahi, that too we don't know as all don't do vlogging. There can be many points bro which might have led to this. We can't really normalise it
I am using my Yamaha Fazer for last 4 years. And I have fallen many time during my ride to tawang during snow season but My bike frame never disappointed me, even I have installed crash guards also. It's a matter of quality. Breaking the main frame is not any common in any other bikes but it's common with Himalayan. What a great build quality. I was planning to buy Himalayan 450. But Now I will never go for Himalayan. Better go for GS 310 or KTM.
Engine on the new Himalayan is directly mounted and is a stressed member. Improperly installed accessories with wrong torquing of the bolts are one important reason. A improperly trained mechanic or technician not knowing about this can cause this. It could be improperly designed accessory. Himalayan was actually released in the Himalayas and we have seen several videos of several foreign and Indian press actually riding it in the worst scenarios. Simulations and hardware testing was done extensively. Use RE genuine accessories and avoid aftermarket ones for now. I personally know several riders who have done a continuous Kanyakumari to Ladakh on new Himalayan. They did not have aftermarket stuff and their bikes are working perfectly till now.
I have used bajaj pulsar dominar , hero xpulse , KTM adv , currently using duke 390 all have heavy after market crash guards nothing ever happened. Went to one of the most harsh roads of upper Mustang .
There's extra stress on the right side of the chassis because of how the suspension on Himalayan 450 is setup. One suspension is for rebound and one suspension is for damping (SFF - Separate Fork Function), hence the little twist of the chasis which causes extra stress on that region of the chassis.
@@ungalpunga very good observation, this is actually correct about suspension but the Ts are designed in such a way that suspension a symmetry doesn’t transfer to chassis, you see lot of scooters have single side suspension only
there has been too many quality issues reported for RE Himalayan frame welds. there have been instances of poor welds as well as re-welds of new frames seen. its the weld and quality issue.
My bike handlebar is also not aligned well.I have kept my bike for almost two weeks in the Royalenfield service centre, and still my handlebar is not in position.
Well! Thats probably because your handlebars might be defective and they will not accept it and will keep on trying to adjust it to minimise the issue. Same with me, every time i change bikes and jump back to Himalayan i feel it miss alignment too much. Interestingly one guys asked me to check if both my hands are of same length.😂
Awesome video and analysis! One doubt related to the handlebar (I have 450 Kamet White) - just got the first service done and handlebar tedha ho gaya thoda sa just the way you described. How to handle this with the service centre in the best way possible? So that ye repeat na ho ye problem? Mene actually engineers ko ye feedback dia tha ki bike right side ki taraf jaati hai agar chalate hue handlebar se haath hata do. Balance issue lag raha tha. Wo problem thek kardia unhone. But handlebar tedha kardia 🤨
रॉयल एनफील्ड की हिमालयन बाइक में यह समस्या अक्सर देखने को मिलती है और इतनी भारी गाड़ी होते हुए भी बिल्ड क्वालिटी अच्छी नहीं है मेरे पास राजदूत 1968 मॉडल है उसका chassis अभी भी अच्छा है मजबूत है😊
It’s not the company bro, but the service centre, just to avoid paper work, they will never accept the fault. In my GT it huge huge wobbling issue, i kept on saying its a coneset issue, they didn’t listened and asked my to change the tyre then get the rims aligned and then remove accessory windscreen and so on, after 2 year completion when my bike went our of warranty i changed the cone set with my own money and the issue was resolved
Every bike has pros & cons but this is not a con it’s a defect a deadly defect that can take life. Thank god I choose KTM ADV 390 and it has all the accessories with zana crash guard. Rode it rough and wild & still there’s not a single problem. It’s better I didn’t choose to become royal just to show off.
Bro said that "people are buying Himalayan by expecting reliability" 😅😅😅 Royal is famous for its quality issues, its the only bike company who has consistently giving quality issues in their bike People buy RE for its brand.. Not for the reliability.. I hope you understand the difference..
@@nitheeshudayan my recommendations is still to use OEM just because if incase similar issue happen, Royal Enfield should not blame on third party crash gaurds
7 місяців тому
@@nitheeshudayan ZANA also have mounting points almost same. but one of broken bikes have zana, i also declined my mototorque order. i don't want to risk with my bike, so think about it
Engine me kaha cherchar kya Chassis he sap bike Himalayan ko toh Brokedown horaha he aap na Experience de bolara hoon Royal Enfield Lena hi Band kardo Jab tak Quality Na inprove nahi karthe 🤬
After market installation is not a valid point at all. We indians dont even do 50% of customisation what is done in western countries. In our country installing engine guard, panniers and more protection here and there is what considered customisation. The chasis breakdown is completly a manufacturers fault when it breaks down in plains and not even in Himalayan roads.
Even my Himalayan 450 handle bar was not straight. I had to rectify it at service centre but technician did not gave any satisfactory reason. He just said just enjoy riding 😂.. funny right
The standard design on most of the bikes is engine on chassis but himalayan 450 is chassis on top of engine. That means engine is not sitting on chassis rather engine hanging under chassis that is the problem. I too have himalayan 450 n I never observed the chassis. Now after this I observed n read the chassis. God save us 🙏 One thing I am going to do is I will get the after market engine gaurd removed and will install OEM so in case anything breakage RE can take full responsibility
@@gentlemenandmotorcycles I am planning a new Himalaya 450 purchase. I already booked the bike but now this frame break created a second thoughts. Now I am confused to go for it or not. Any suggestions?
Scrambler owner here. I was gunning for Himalayan before buying scrambler. Mainly because i loved the engine. One day during the test ride i deliberately got off the bike and tried to move it. My God the bike felt top heavy. That means weight is not evenly distributed. And seeing the breaks in the images I feel like weight management could have been a lot better. Scrambler excels in lot of areas. Weight management is one of those. QC should be stricter for RE. They have past breakages with Himalayan, and this would disappoint lot of customers.
You are correct, thats why when i said in my videos that weight is a con in one of my videos people commented in hatered but that’s a fact, you drive ktm adv or Honda 500x , you will not feel its weight
Definitely the persone who has designed classic was not the same one of the Himalayan......engineering team is different...100% ..in the same company...different quality
Himalayan banane wale ne ek galti banate time hi kr dee thi, jiska result ab aa raha hai, wo ye ki Himalayan ke chasis ka weight engine pe hi daal diya hai
I really like the looks of the Himalayan 450. As an European I really was interested in this bike. Watching this I really consider to buy a CFmoto 450 instead. Sorry RE, you better improve your QC or you wont sell any Himalayan in my country.
Chinese manufacturers have come a long long way from copy cats to really good motorcycles. I am really impressed with CF moto’s few of the latest offerings and i feel CF MOTO 450mt could be better than Himalayan with its parallel twin engine . It makes 4 bhp more and 5 NM torque more compared to himalayan
More power does not always mean that its better. It means it has more power. But from a manufacturer that isn't as long on the market as RE, they make good and affordable bikes and quads.
My two friends having UCE classic have safe fate as this himalayan. It was broken on normal use. I didn't want to take risk so I bought Japanese machine made in india😂
Are bhai aapne Abhinav Bhatt ke video dekhe hai ? Unhone jitna Himalayan ko kudaya hai utna to kisine nahi kudaya hoga. Fir bhi uska chasis nahi toota... Kaha tum aise bogus logonko TRP de rahe ho
Haaaan bhai, Abhinav k videos dekhe hai, aur mai khud bhut abuse karta hu, nothing as such, isiliye i said that there might be chance ki gaurd lagate time engine mount nuts me ched chaad hui hai
@@gentlemenandmotorcycles abhinav also has done weight reduction of his bike and it has lost approximately 26 kgs, so would be difficult for his bike to actually break like this, and he has the tubeless spoke prototype.
@@d3lchan weight reduction has nothing to do with chasis breaking. In this case engine is used as a stressed member, hence we have to be very careful when installing aftermarket accessories. Super Meteor 650/shotgun 650 has a setup wherein the the rear swingarm and it's suspension need to be removed carefully to do any modifications.
Dusre bike main v to crash guard lagate hen wo to nai tutta sab bekar k bate hai. Royal Enfield ka galti he design main.frame Tut Raha he Bhai koi choti baat nahi hen.fir bolenge ki aap ka body wight jada tha is liye frame Tut gya 😂😂😂😂😂 aap gym jao
Ye b ho s aqta hay petrol ka Kane hum age petrol. Tank per laga lete hay. 17 ltr+10 ltr wait nichay a gaya. Kresh gard se koi problem nahi hony chayey Zana ko b puch lo vo kya bolta hay
To bhai aur bikes me after market crash guards bhi lgaate hain unke saath to nahi hota esa hutiyapa Himalayan ke sth hi esa kyu hai purani ho ya nayi...jab inhe pata h ki customer after market accessories lagaata hi hai to strong nahi bna skte bataao ye koi baat huyi ki crash guard ki wajah se hua.... Crash guard bachaane ke liye hota hai ki todne k liye
if you had issues with gt650 and the company is doing nothing to solve the issue for you then why did you even buy the 450 the cone set issue of the 411 still existed in their last update in 2023 so 2016 to 2023 thats 7 years no solution
Bhai please dont mind aaj kal logon ko bas video banane se kaam hai. Views aane chahiye bas baat mein logic ho ya na ho. Simple sa funda hai bhai agar choti moti accessories lagane se kisi bike ki chassis toot jaaye to woh accessories ki galti nahin hai woh company ki galti hai sasta saaman lagati hai. Chassis itni kamjor cheez nahin hoti ki choti moti accessories ke lagane ya bike jump karane ya phir loading se toot jaaye. Sidha bolo company ne cost cutting itni zyada kar di hai ki paani wale pipe laga diye chassis mein. 👍👍
@@gentlemenandmotorcycles I never seen chasis breaking due to over tight nuts. If the nuts are over tight, threads of the nut will be damaged or bolt itself will be broken.
@@StaraVaros brother, don’t hesitate in buying the Himalayan or Guerrilla, after all analysis the final conclusion is the chassis issue was just because of poorly Designed and fitted after market crash gaurds.
Automotive designer here. I have only 2 points.
1) People use aftermarket crash guards on almost all brand bikes, why the issue only with RE?
2) If chassis is weak at one point, why wasn't it reinforced or welded with a backup (redundancy) member at the place? This points to a QC failure.
In the end, this flaw can cause serious accidents and whatever may be the cause of it, the user confidence is definitely shattered and it's hard to come back from it unless RE recalls the bikes and reinforces the chassis.
Considering the track record, asking for a recall means publicly accepting the mistake, which is not the tendency with Indian manufacturers, thanks to consumer laws that favour businesses more than consumers.
If u don't use proper bolts after putting crash guard and using wrong bolts it will happen in any bike which uses engine as stress member. Same issue also happened in ktm bikes and many other bikes. The thing is it is highlighted more in case of RE because it gives more views.
The bike with broken chassis seems to have no crash guards installed, at least that is the optical illusion from the photos of the bike (Hanle black).
@@surisurya3577 it has both of the bikes face this issue were using ZANA crash guards and in both of the cases bolts were missing.
@@surisurya3577 that we thought at first but that guy removed the gaurd after incident so some photos don’t show gaurd but when we checked older photos gaurd were installed
There are 100 s of motorcycles in the market today & 1000 s of assasories or crash guards available for them but none of these bike breaks their chassis except RE HIMALAYAN ( like 411 ). Blaming aftermarket accesories better RE should improve their quality.
Because buying an adventure motorcycle in india is an emotion for us.
Very sad.
Well said
Absolutely..
Therr are 1000s of Himalayan, but no one had such issues ever. Many have gone to Leh Ladakh with these bikes. And they load the bike much more than what we do in normal trips. Howcome no such issue cropped in the Hilly roads ?
@@genuineleo78 your point is absolutely valid and also RE has done a rigorous testing
I have seen many ktm 390s and dominor too with the same issue u can find many videos and images of ktm bikes with broken chassis
Now himalayan lost a majority of customers after this , including me 😢
Correct bro, this has changed the perception a lot, and new KtM adv 390 is round the corner so anyways i suggest any one planning should wait.
+1
@@gentlemenandmotorcycles the new KTM adv 399 test mules look BADASS ❤❤❤❤
Isse jyada mazboot meri hero ki cycle hai, ye koi baat hui bahar se. Crash guard laga hai to frame toot jayega, koi sense banta bhi hai to, itne saalo saal test karti re bikes ko, kya ghanta test karte ho ha sirf hype create karte ho, 411 me bhi same issue tha, india. Vehicle manufacturers are still not in the right direction irrespective of their profitability. Basics ki ma ki aankh hai sabki.
Good analysis! However, FYI crash guards are built to protect the engine not your legs. So don't look at the RE rally guard costing 9950 and think itna small guard ko jada price kyu hai vs regular RE guard, also the rally guard is esthetically designed compared to after market parts which look like a monstrosity
Both the RE guards look better than after market ones but i still believe that rally gaurds will just protect lower engine casing , if you see all adventure bikes gaurds are designed in such a way that when faller its easy to lift the bike and minimum damage happens to luggage and tank
baat kya ho rahi hai bhai aur tu aesthetics par ada hai
Royal Enfield continues his legacy.same issue had with 411 as well.that’s why I chose ktm 390 adv over Royal Enfield.for Royal Enfield lovers I’m sorry but they should improve the quality..
Very sad to see this kind of experience from Royal Enfield, loyal Indian customers kept the brand alive at their worst times and now we are getting this in return
@@gentlemenandmotorcycles very true…
Watched many REVIEWS ON "HIMALAYAN 450 ADV" "CHASSIS BREAKDOWN", your video provided the most technical explanation with graphical depiction.
Most comforting with all possible scenarios required, to understand & overcome the problem presented to rider community.
Hope to see worrisome issue & solution reasoned by all riders, clear their emotions by putting some thought.
Thanku for this thoughtful one.
Thank you & cheers.
Thanks brother, your cheerful comment meant a lot. Thanks again 😊
Stress members are supposed to be reinforced, but not seen in this case.
This frame is supposed to handle extreme load, stress & strain on it as it is an off-road machine. This seems under engineered, little bit more strength in the stress members would have been a lot better. Aftermarket crash guards may cause vibrations but it will affect the joints mostly unless and until there is already a failure point in the member.
Anyone who have studied engg mechanics will know this.
I think the point regarding welding and heat treatment could be the real issue. The steel tube just got torn instead of bending. Since there are too-many welds around that breakage area it could be, because of steel becoming brittle due to the heat from welds.
It’s not any subframe that broke but the main one. It’s the fist attempt of RE with a twin spar frame.
I think a recall is in the pipeline..
First batch of continental gt and interceptor had issues in front suspension, US and Europe got the recall, India never got a recall, only further bikes got it fixed. Indian customers are always taken for granted because of weak consumer laws we have
its not twin spar
Eicher Motorcycles will continue using buyers as Guinea Pigs, they will continue having quality issues as they still continue concentrating on quantity over quality, and, third, the new Himalayan has kept up the tradition of broken Chassis.
I cancel my plan after chassis issue to buy himu 450....... Dil tor deye .,.... RE ne .,..... Ktm chassis are well engineer and bajaj domi & ns have tough chassis than this himu chassis
I have ride my ns200 lakh km in eastern Himalayas.....zero issue ..or..no issue of chassis now planning to get ktm adv 390 after cancelled himu 450
There is a new KTM adv 390 round the corner, you can wait for a newer model
Himalayan 50000 se jada bike bika he bhai
Most genuine approach to the issue as on date, bro.
Royal Enfield should respect the brand lovers sincerely.
Thanks brother, it’s not just Royal Enfield , it has become a trend to take Indian consumers for granted.
I will share my presonal opinion...i have std 500 BS3 2015 model, you know in that bikes crash guards are mount separately with clamps without removing any sort of chasis bolt or any other critical engine bolt ...but in Himalyan i can see engine is connected to chasi and on that leg guard are connected...so problem might increase if bike just may even drop from ideal position...where join may be dmg
May be resonance frequency and natural frequency issues. But RE exporting motorcycle have different material composition in Europe. Most indian variant has these type of issues.
But it's Amazing motorcycle ❤
Yes even when GT and interceptor had differences compared to indian and export units
There is no chasis break case in Europ or America. Because of strict quality control. And in India here are multiple of these cases have been registered. It is as simple as that. RE is providing us low grade product just for their profit. Tootega nhi to update kaise aayega or maal kaise bikega.
Saste ke chakkar me quality compromise hoti hai ,
Next make India, Indian workers ki quality of work us level ka nahi hai ,
Very well explained... my opinion for RE is to come up with strong thick frame and dont bridge the frame with engine i mean this current frame is called the back bone frame ideally they should use doubled cardle frame.
They purchase commodities from cheap vendors of China & Taiwan to maximize profit. Meanwhile other manufacturers who purchase commodities from reliable and good vendors rarely face such issues. RE should build some reliable vendors.
Recently my Himalayan bs4 2018 model chassis broke down its seme same Royal Enfield
Don't buy Royal Enfield
Having this issue on middle weight bike is kinda crazy since it should be a basic requirements for the bike to had strong chassis for adventure bike
@@haris6523 correct
Great video bro covering all the possibilities. It’s pretty clear RE is giving all the lame reasons. Himalayan is an adventure bike and is meant to take much more abuses compared to city oriented motorcycles. RE has doesn’t have cleans history of manufacturing defects. Even hunter had rusting issues within months of purchase. There are lot more advs out there with no such reported issue. Addition of crash guards won’t result in such damages, unless they have made the chassis very brittle and it is failing to transfer the vibrations or loads.
Coming the handle issue, there’s issue in the clamp of 452, would recommend you to switch to those of 411. They are much better.
Yeaaah bro, correct.. their marketing campaign says built like gun, and take it anywhere, my GT still have rusting issues and brakes fails
RE doesn't make bikes for riding, but for selling their spare parts. Which is why RE bike owners visit garages more than any other brand bikes. "Personal experience "
Brilliant analysis! I have the OEM crash guards same like yours, One thing i noticed is whenever I put the bike on center stand I hear a ***click**** noise. Is this something that should be checked? I installed them at RE service center and they claim its normal. Do you hear the sound while you put the bike on center stand? You have to listen to it carefully though
I daily put it in centre stand last time before night and i never heard such sound. Brother RE mechanics are very notorious to put back less number of bolts than they opened. Please get it checked once and don’t take any risk, i checked mine through myself and then yesterday took it to service centre too to get it checked by them.
it maybe from spring of main stand try lubing stand spring and let me know if this solved the issue or not
Edit: lube both ends of spring as well
@@rahulbhoir1820 actually if you think so, loose chain could also make similar sound but i assume your bike is new so that ideally might not be the case here
@@gentlemenandmotorcycles hmm chain noise is somthing anyone easily noticed so going by his text I replied bt chain noise is possible if chain setting is not done in right way
It may be spring noise try adding chain lube or any bike lubricant on it and try😅
I m not sure, but as per the pics, both bikes have used the same brand crash guard, if u see. Ek aur chiz ha, ki user ne shayad pehle koi ride wagera me koi rugged terrain par ride, offroad might be Kara hoga which may induce pre damage, jo koi ek jhatke se city me Tut gya. Actually there can a hell lot of reasons. But isko hum legacy of chassis break nahi bol sakte kiu some lakh units of 411 was sold over years, how many cases of chassis break do we know, won't even account for 0.1 percent. Aur dusre bike me hua ki nahi, that too we don't know as all don't do vlogging. There can be many points bro which might have led to this. We can't really normalise it
If you see whole video i said that’s there is very high chance that it’s a leg gaurd issue
@@gentlemenandmotorcycles I know, but if u see both of them uses bandidos pitstop leg guard, so might be issues with their design
I agree with both of your points
@@vorrdegard2176 yeah bro
I am using my Yamaha Fazer for last 4 years. And I have fallen many time during my ride to tawang during snow season but My bike frame never disappointed me, even I have installed crash guards also.
It's a matter of quality. Breaking the main frame is not any common in any other bikes but it's common with Himalayan. What a great build quality.
I was planning to buy Himalayan 450. But Now I will never go for Himalayan. Better go for GS 310 or KTM.
Engine on the new Himalayan is directly mounted and is a stressed member. Improperly installed accessories with wrong torquing of the bolts are one important reason. A improperly trained mechanic or technician not knowing about this can cause this. It could be improperly designed accessory. Himalayan was actually released in the Himalayas and we have seen several videos of several foreign and Indian press actually riding it in the worst scenarios. Simulations and hardware testing was done extensively.
Use RE genuine accessories and avoid aftermarket ones for now. I personally know several riders who have done a continuous Kanyakumari to Ladakh on new Himalayan. They did not have aftermarket stuff and their bikes are working perfectly till now.
Yes, that could be the case
Bajaj dominar ns rs. , ktm duke rc are the best value for money chassis very strong not just some pipes
You should have mentioned the metal tube gauge is very thin,!
Yeaah that one point is also important, honestly it should not be that thin ,
I have used bajaj pulsar dominar , hero xpulse , KTM adv , currently using duke 390 all have heavy after market crash guards nothing ever happened. Went to one of the most harsh roads of upper Mustang .
There's extra stress on the right side of the chassis because of how the suspension on Himalayan 450 is setup. One suspension is for rebound and one suspension is for damping (SFF - Separate Fork Function), hence the little twist of the chasis which causes extra stress on that region of the chassis.
@@ungalpunga very good observation, this is actually correct about suspension but the Ts are designed in such a way that suspension a symmetry doesn’t transfer to chassis, you see lot of scooters have single side suspension only
Me bhi lene wala tha but ab sochana padega, thank you bhai, very helpful information ❤
Test drive all bikes before you make your decision
Don't know why but i was waiting for this video.😜
Thank god i am not late 😛
@@gentlemenandmotorcycles definitely not 🤣🤣🤣
there has been too many quality issues reported for RE Himalayan frame welds. there have been instances of poor welds as well as re-welds of new frames seen. its the weld and quality issue.
Meri 20 saal purani glamour m swingarm m cut tha wo nahi tuta ye kese Tut jari
Very informative bro...
@@tushardeshpande9394 thanks brother
My bike handlebar is also not aligned well.I have kept my bike for almost two weeks in the Royalenfield service centre, and still my handlebar is not in position.
Well! Thats probably because your handlebars might be defective and they will not accept it and will keep on trying to adjust it to minimise the issue. Same with me, every time i change bikes and jump back to Himalayan i feel it miss alignment too much. Interestingly one guys asked me to check if both my hands are of same length.😂
Buy AOM adventure handlebar. It much better and strong than stock Himalayan handlebar! Best in market currently atleast in India
Awesome video and analysis! One doubt related to the handlebar (I have 450 Kamet White) - just got the first service done and handlebar tedha ho gaya thoda sa just the way you described. How to handle this with the service centre in the best way possible? So that ye repeat na ho ye problem?
Mene actually engineers ko ye feedback dia tha ki bike right side ki taraf jaati hai agar chalate hue handlebar se haath hata do. Balance issue lag raha tha. Wo problem thek kardia unhone. But handlebar tedha kardia 🤨
Check with service centre and ask then to fix the handlebar too
This is just excuse this ppl see stunt riders they use after market carsh guards on 1000cc bikes and also this isnt issue with ktm adv 390 or bmw gs
There is no two wheeler company in india who gives more problems to the customers than Royal Enfield.
Aap aur mai dono ye jante jai fir bhi wahi use kar rahe hai😂😂😂
Where did you get the barkbusters ? Please share the link if its available online.
411 has hell lot aftermarket accessories still it was intact bs4 and onwards
रॉयल एनफील्ड की हिमालयन बाइक में यह समस्या अक्सर देखने को मिलती है और इतनी भारी गाड़ी होते हुए भी बिल्ड क्वालिटी अच्छी नहीं है मेरे पास राजदूत 1968 मॉडल है उसका chassis अभी भी अच्छा है मजबूत है😊
I have metore 2 years chassis ka issue hey but company not listen and flatu ka service paid service karvti hey with in warranty.
It’s not the company bro, but the service centre, just to avoid paper work, they will never accept the fault. In my GT it huge huge wobbling issue, i kept on saying its a coneset issue, they didn’t listened and asked my to change the tyre then get the rims aligned and then remove accessory windscreen and so on, after 2 year completion when my bike went our of warranty i changed the cone set with my own money and the issue was resolved
Every bike has pros & cons but this is not a con it’s a defect a deadly defect that can take life. Thank god I choose KTM ADV 390 and it has all the accessories with zana crash guard. Rode it rough and wild & still there’s not a single problem. It’s better I didn’t choose to become royal just to show off.
A lot of Bajaj employeees here 🤣
Bro said that "people are buying Himalayan by expecting reliability" 😅😅😅
Royal is famous for its quality issues, its the only bike company who has consistently giving quality issues in their bike
People buy RE for its brand.. Not for the reliability.. I hope you understand the difference..
bhai advance dehke rakha hu kya karu? this was my first bike ever. itne sapne dekhe the yaar.
what to do now?😓
Don’t worry brother, go ahead for the delivery, if you don’t want to take any risk, get the OEM crash gaurd
Which crash guard should I install? Any suggestions
After all these issues, I recommend better buy OEM only until we are really sure what issue caused that crack.
Mototorque mounting points are different...safe to use those....
@@nitheeshudayan my recommendations is still to use OEM just because if incase similar issue happen, Royal Enfield should not blame on third party crash gaurds
@@nitheeshudayan ZANA also have mounting points almost same. but one of broken bikes have zana, i also declined my mototorque order. i don't want to risk with my bike, so think about it
The Himalyan debacle continues even with the 450.RE has old habit if blaming the customers rather than accepting their mistakes.
Respect the light men❤✅
Deep analysis bro.
I chose the rather unattractive RE engine guard.
@@ajmersingh6650 good decision for now brother
Can u provide the link for re original saddle stay . Only the saddle .
And is it same with 411
No its different from 411’s , and i bought it from showroom of RE, you can also go there and get it installed
Ok thank u
Very good information👍👍👍
Thank you sir
I am happy with the Yezdi Adventure, however after sales service is quite bad
Yeaah after sales and resale value is the issue, but they are improving very fast
engine mount se cherchar mat karo or vi crash guard hay market me jo chasis pe mount hota hay engine pr nahi
Engine me kaha cherchar kya Chassis he sap bike Himalayan ko toh Brokedown horaha he aap na Experience de bolara hoon Royal Enfield Lena hi Band kardo Jab tak Quality Na inprove nahi karthe 🤬
Es ki chesshi jayada lumby 2 tyer ke bech may. Aur ground clearance jayda hay is liye wait nichay jayda force karta hay
After market installation is not a valid point at all. We indians dont even do 50% of customisation what is done in western countries. In our country installing engine guard, panniers and more protection here and there is what considered customisation. The chasis breakdown is completly a manufacturers fault when it breaks down in plains and not even in Himalayan roads.
@@Life.is.a.library valid point bro
Agar kisine Himalayan book ki hai, sath me extra chassis bhi le lena 😅😅
😝😝 aur jisne le li hai, life insurance lelena
😅😅😅@@gentlemenandmotorcycles
you got good knowledge bruh
Even my Himalayan 450 handle bar was not straight. I had to rectify it at service centre but technician did not gave any satisfactory reason. He just said just enjoy riding 😂.. funny right
Me too was planning to buy Him 450, now I change my mind...I was told it has the best suspension so I was eager to buy...😢
Aab keya korey ? Accessories/ crash guard nehi lagaengay ...tab nahi tutheyga 😮
Aisa bhi kuchh sure keh nahi sakte, but i recommend until we are really sure , if you haven’t bought crash gaurd yet, buy RE OEM only
1000 of aftermarket guards on 100s of bikes , nothing breaks like this 🤣🤣
Baki bike main to after market crash guard nahi lagta.....like ktm Honda
The standard design on most of the bikes is engine on chassis but himalayan 450 is chassis on top of engine.
That means engine is not sitting on chassis rather engine hanging under chassis that is the problem.
I too have himalayan 450 n I never observed the chassis. Now after this I observed n read the chassis.
God save us 🙏
One thing I am going to do is I will get the after market engine gaurd removed and will install OEM so in case anything breakage RE can take full responsibility
Any one knows the name of the crash guard that have been used specifically in this two himalayans ?
I've booked a Himalayan, now having second thoughts. expected better from RE
I can understand second thoughts in your mind, this bike is 4 lac. Not cheap
What should we do now?
@@akshayjain4231 if you have Himalayan buy two piece gaurd, or OEM gaurd. Mostly my analysis gaurd is the culprit
@@gentlemenandmotorcycles I am planning a new Himalaya 450 purchase. I already booked the bike but now this frame break created a second thoughts. Now I am confused to go for it or not. Any suggestions?
@@akshayjain4231 go for it and get OEM crash gaurd
bhai jo bikes ki chassis brake hui hai, kya company ne claim diya hoga? if company blaming on after market accessories
Thank god i brought yezdi adventure
Scrambler owner here. I was gunning for Himalayan before buying scrambler. Mainly because i loved the engine. One day during the test ride i deliberately got off the bike and tried to move it. My God the bike felt top heavy. That means weight is not evenly distributed. And seeing the breaks in the images I feel like weight management could have been a lot better. Scrambler excels in lot of areas. Weight management is one of those. QC should be stricter for RE. They have past breakages with Himalayan, and this would disappoint lot of customers.
You are correct, thats why when i said in my videos that weight is a con in one of my videos people commented in hatered but that’s a fact, you drive ktm adv or Honda 500x , you will not feel its weight
Definitely the persone who has designed classic was not the same one of the Himalayan......engineering team is different...100% ..in the same company...different quality
After watching many videos about 450 ... (Problem ka baap he yeh machine) .....now I'm going for adv 390x
@@raytechnical834 good decision bro, but just wait for new models, they will be announced in 2 days at EICMA
Whats gonna happen if RE accepts that it's the fault in their manufacturing, losing thousands of customers, so better to put blame on the crash guard.
crash gurd❌
has a big chassis Fault✅
Yea, they are denying that
Himalayan banane wale ne ek galti banate time hi kr dee thi, jiska result ab aa raha hai, wo ye ki Himalayan ke chasis ka weight engine pe hi daal diya hai
OMG, I am scared, I do have a Himalayan 450, what to do now???
Don’t worry brother, just check your crash gaurd and any loose nuts, or recommend get it checked by service centre.
Next they will say not using RE gloves or shoes causing this
I really like the looks of the Himalayan 450. As an European I really was interested in this bike. Watching this I really consider to buy a CFmoto 450 instead. Sorry RE, you better improve your QC or you wont sell any Himalayan in my country.
Chinese manufacturers have come a long long way from copy cats to really good motorcycles. I am really impressed with CF moto’s few of the latest offerings and i feel CF MOTO 450mt could be better than Himalayan with its parallel twin engine . It makes 4 bhp more and 5 NM torque more compared to himalayan
More power does not always mean that its better. It means it has more power. But from a manufacturer that isn't as long on the market as RE, they make good and affordable bikes and quads.
Bro.... where is the after market crash guard ? That company is blaming ?
You are asking which company after market crash gaurd was it
My two friends having UCE classic have safe fate as this himalayan. It was broken on normal use. I didn't want to take risk so I bought Japanese machine made in india😂
Good decision
second service... 450...break pad changed... dnt know how it is fuked soo soon
Any other brand bike: not even one chassis break
New Himalayan: 2 chassis break and bikes aren't even a year old.
You do the math
Yeaaah, and not just chassis there is a long list of quality issues with their bikes. They do not quality check very well
A double cradle frame is always better than an engine as a stressed member.
Look at Avenger 220.
Old but proven technology.
Wait for the KTM adv 399. That would be much better and at least wouldn't be breaking in half.
Yeah it would be more powerful too
Are bhai aapne Abhinav Bhatt ke video dekhe hai ? Unhone jitna Himalayan ko kudaya hai utna to kisine nahi kudaya hoga. Fir bhi uska chasis nahi toota...
Kaha tum aise bogus logonko TRP de rahe ho
Haaaan bhai, Abhinav k videos dekhe hai, aur mai khud bhut abuse karta hu, nothing as such, isiliye i said that there might be chance ki gaurd lagate time engine mount nuts me ched chaad hui hai
@@gentlemenandmotorcycles abhinav also has done weight reduction of his bike and it has lost approximately 26 kgs, so would be difficult for his bike to actually break like this, and he has the tubeless spoke prototype.
@@d3lchan yeah and he is a very experienced and seasoned rider, he might not do those mistakes that other 2 guys did. Just a thought though
@@d3lchan weight reduction has nothing to do with chasis breaking. In this case engine is used as a stressed member, hence we have to be very careful when installing aftermarket accessories. Super Meteor 650/shotgun 650 has a setup wherein the the rear swingarm and it's suspension need to be removed carefully to do any modifications.
@@genuineleo78 very true tho yes.
That's what I belive old bullets , cd 100s rx 100s were made more stronger then these so called obesity bikes..
Dusre bike main v to crash guard lagate hen wo to nai tutta sab bekar k bate hai. Royal Enfield ka galti he design main.frame Tut Raha he Bhai koi choti baat nahi hen.fir bolenge ki aap ka body wight jada tha is liye frame Tut gya 😂😂😂😂😂 aap gym jao
Wahi to bhai, aur bhai jo company kehti hai bike customise karo, uski bike crash gaurd lagane se toot jaaye, sarcasm ho gaya ye to
Ye b ho s aqta hay petrol ka Kane hum age petrol. Tank per laga lete hay. 17 ltr+10 ltr wait nichay a gaya. Kresh gard se koi problem nahi hony chayey Zana ko b puch lo vo kya bolta hay
Good video
Thanks bro
I would go for v-strom 250 for it's built quality
Trust me Himalayan is better than vstorm 250
To bhai aur bikes me after market crash guards bhi lgaate hain unke saath to nahi hota esa hutiyapa Himalayan ke sth hi esa kyu hai purani ho ya nayi...jab inhe pata h ki customer after market accessories lagaata hi hai to strong nahi bna skte bataao ye koi baat huyi ki crash guard ki wajah se hua.... Crash guard bachaane ke liye hota hai ki todne k liye
Then why RE selling crash guard
Issue is with specific after market crash gaurd
Bhai 15marks wala essay likhra kya ek he chiz bar bar repeat kar raha
if you had issues with gt650 and the company is doing nothing to solve the issue for you then why did you even buy the 450
the cone set issue of the 411 still existed in their last update in 2023 so 2016 to 2023 thats 7 years no solution
Bhai please dont mind aaj kal logon ko bas video banane se kaam hai. Views aane chahiye bas baat mein logic ho ya na ho. Simple sa funda hai bhai agar choti moti accessories lagane se kisi bike ki chassis toot jaaye to woh accessories ki galti nahin hai woh company ki galti hai sasta saaman lagati hai. Chassis itni kamjor cheez nahin hoti ki choti moti accessories ke lagane ya bike jump karane ya phir loading se toot jaaye. Sidha bolo company ne cost cutting itni zyada kar di hai ki paani wale pipe laga diye chassis mein. 👍👍
itni kmjor bike bnaai vi.. sochra tha mai is se acha mai....tvs
rr310 ya scram leleta
Bhai
Hanle black m kha h crash gaurd
Bhai maine jo old photo share ki, usme crash gaurd hai, rider ne service centre le jaate time hata diya tha
RE bikes are not reliable and rider does not have much control on the bike.. Had couple of accidents..I sold the GMG classic and bought highness..
Good very cell told
Now i am shifting to xpulse
Himalayan 450 lene wala tha avi nahi lunga classic 350 hi lunga no problem
@@raazkashyap2636 classic 350 is a really good alrounder
If you are correct it must have happed in an accident only. If the torque of nut not proper its thread will ruin not the chasis.
No, if you tight it more then also a nut can cause create issues, in tightening torque is given for all bolts in very specific numbers
@@gentlemenandmotorcycles I never seen chasis breaking due to over tight nuts. If the nuts are over tight, threads of the nut will be damaged or bolt itself will be broken.
Since the video title is in english, at least add option for such subtitles
@@StaraVaros apologies brother, i have taken it as a feedback
@@gentlemenandmotorcycles yes, i commented with positive motive, as you cover an issue that stops me from purchasing this model
@@StaraVaros brother, don’t hesitate in buying the Himalayan or Guerrilla, after all analysis the final conclusion is the chassis issue was just because of poorly Designed and fitted after market crash gaurds.
@@gentlemenandmotorcycles thank you for your response, maybe one has to stick to only using original accesories/parts