Let´s be honest, its not that bad, its 2 building slots. in Every fully controlled cored state with more than 7 factories, so very few, but still, not complete crap, just mostly crap.
As a France Expanded dev (and extensive player of baguette nation), i can assure you the worst paths in vanilla are : 3. Capitulate and Vichy France 2. Capitulate and Free France 1. The legitimate heir I've done this one for the success, and my god this is peak boringness
I'm sure he already did legitimate heir run in some "Terrible focus" video, and, yes, it's the worst one, right near Viche, Free and Spanish throne for me, coz, after u annex Spain, there isn't really anything to do
Isp, I have a challenge for you, since you done no research, no focuses, license production only and more, you could try starting division template only (idealy as the Soviets, some China, France or Poland)
ISP, if you want to do the French Union, I admise you to liberate all your occupied African territories as puppets before doing the focus. Like that, if you win, they'll gonna be annexed, and if you lose, they stay your puppets. (idk if you can liberate countries as puppets if you're the French Commune, but I did this with the democratic France and it worked perfectly)
@@Pythagoras180 yeah but revolutionary zeal gives you a flat 10% attack buff on everything along with 10% attack on core territory, and then Egalité, Liberté, Solidarité gives you another 10% attack and defense on cores
The thing is, Orleanist France grants you a couple of war goals and enough stability to stay above 80% for the entire game, making it perfect for, say, a more defensive France playthrough. If you really want something borderline useless, try going for the "Légitimiste" path instead. You're guaranteed a war with Spain if the carlists don't win (which they never really do),then you either get them as a puppet or you have to wait for AI Spain to core all of it's lands back if you don't want it as "occupied territory" once you annex them through "Unite the crowns" and you don't get anything outside of that. Fun !
I mean its true, its just that path "revolution to the ultmost" that is pointless, not even too bad but just pointless, other path just do everything better
i just had a dream where you decided to play every releasable nation in africa A to Z and you started with albania for dream reasons , please make my dream real
Honestly i think this path would be 10x better if the civil war/referendum happened way earlier. And it really shkuld be able to considering the large CPF support at the start of the game
I actually quite like playing France in hoi4 due to it's physical location and all the stuff you can mess with around you. Even so, despite doing dozens of playthroughs I never even noticed this path because the other two are so good in comparison. That being said after watching this I might have to give it a go.
Whoever is putting the informative titles over the clickbait shit that the video normally has is a saint btw, makes it super easy to actually find which video is which. Best plugin
4:13 In all fairness, that portrait/character is a somewhat recent addition, added around the time they released NSB because while they were researching Soviet politics for that DLC they realized that it actually didn't make a lot of sense to have a staunch supporter of the Soviet Union (Maurice Thorez, who was supported by Stalin) go against the Stalin line and so drew up René Nicod who was noted for being vehemently against the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. Also, making the constituent parts of the UK revolt, while probably not the most optimal way to play, is definitely one of the funnier things you can do as France, right up there with turning Germany into a mass of squabbling states as Napoléon.
Bringing La Resistance to multiplayer is overall a bad idea. "Oh! I can flip this country to my Democracy!" "No! I will flip it to Communism!" "No! I will quietly tilt it to Axis!" "Get the hell out of here! It's MY country and I SHALL stay Neutral!"
My favorite french path is in road to 56, go napoleon, Its so fun, no its op, but its still hard to beat Germany so i typically invite (poland romania and itlay to faction) and its easy win typically, but if u go solo its more of a struggle but it gives you more of a sense of accomplishment (you can take all of Belgium Netherlands and spain) before British guarantees, its so fun being able to be the offensive one with france
just gave up a quarter of my life playing belgium i went facist and become a meat rider for germany and then i got all of the lowlands and part of france more like half and im the most powerful member of the axis currently
Yeah its stupid, it should be compliance based or there should be decisions to reinforce popularity in some states or smth. Instead of just blind luck that ruins the fun.
Funny enough, of all the funny and meme path France can take, the Communist one is the most accurate/plausible... But who wants to be communist when you can bring back the Empire eh?
I thought that you would play the Orleanist path were the funniest thing to do is to clean Paris slums for 1 building slot
Let´s be honest, its not that bad, its 2 building slots.
in Every fully controlled cored state with more than 7 factories, so very few, but still, not complete crap, just mostly crap.
With my ptsd from reading that one 100 pages long chapter of Les Miserables, I always thought that was a reference to that fucking chapter
I thought he'd do that too
@@deadpan904I gave up at that chapter. Didn’t want to keep looking up all the streets and buildings.
@@Thedefensesso you can have 20 building slots like nothing or even more
cant have terrible focus tree series without Turkey, it was the first time i actually got lost in a focus tree
Real tawk
turkey would be slightly more bearable if it wasn't comprised entirely of 70 day focuses
I hate playing turkey it takes forever to get any factories and you get no equipment hard to expand @AWACSRumble
@YumemiKaman Vanilla Turkey used to be one of my favorite starts. I gave the updated focus tree many tries but it's just tedious.
lol this tree would be troll for multiplayer, literally removing half of UK's cores, civilwaring germany, etc.
As a France Expanded dev (and extensive player of baguette nation), i can assure you the worst paths in vanilla are :
3. Capitulate and Vichy France
2. Capitulate and Free France
1. The legitimate heir
I've done this one for the success, and my god this is peak boringness
I'm sure he already did legitimate heir run in some "Terrible focus" video, and, yes, it's the worst one, right near Viche, Free and Spanish throne for me, coz, after u annex Spain, there isn't really anything to do
Isp, I have a challenge for you, since you done no research, no focuses, license production only and more, you could try starting division template only (idealy as the Soviets, some China, France or Poland)
who is ISP?
that is a totally different person with a similar voice 100%
Germany: You're gonna liberate us, right?
France: Well... call it "liberation"... just somewhere else
insert "under new management" megamind meme
Focus to Z? I thought this was Hocus Focus!
Yes, I agree :)
Never ending RATvolution
ISP, if you want to do the French Union, I admise you to liberate all your occupied African territories as puppets before doing the focus. Like that, if you win, they'll gonna be annexed, and if you lose, they stay your puppets.
(idk if you can liberate countries as puppets if you're the French Commune, but I did this with the democratic France and it worked perfectly)
Ok the french commie tree is honestly pretty good, I’d say the Orleanist or Facist paths are all around worse
The Orleanist path gives you a weekly stability boost
@@Pythagoras180 yeah but revolutionary zeal gives you a flat 10% attack buff on everything along with 10% attack on core territory, and then Egalité, Liberté, Solidarité gives you another 10% attack and defense on cores
The thing is, Orleanist France grants you a couple of war goals and enough stability to stay above 80% for the entire game, making it perfect for, say, a more defensive France playthrough. If you really want something borderline useless, try going for the "Légitimiste" path instead. You're guaranteed a war with Spain if the carlists don't win (which they never really do),then you either get them as a puppet or you have to wait for AI Spain to core all of it's lands back if you don't want it as "occupied territory" once you annex them through "Unite the crowns" and you don't get anything outside of that. Fun !
@@Pythagoras180 by the time you get that you'll already have 85% stability or more
I mean its true, its just that path "revolution to the ultmost" that is pointless, not even too bad but just pointless, other path just do everything better
Brings a whole new meaning to the phrase french are revolting
You’re telling me
i just had a dream where you decided to play every releasable nation in africa A to Z and you started with albania for dream reasons , please make my dream real
Africa is rightful Albanian clay 💪🇦🇱🔥💪
I mean... 14:30
A frika to z would slap thou
BRING ME THE RAT
Kaiserreich: Legacy of the WeltkRAT.
OR BRING ME DEATH
We want the rat
*Hands them the RAT*
Here is the RAT you ordered, sir.*
RAAAAAT
ISP doing everything in his power to avoid fighting the allies is always hilarious
I love how Stalin was still in control of russia in the end 😂
Not gonna lie I thought he would do the Orleanist Monarchy path as it's only cleaning the slums
+1 Weekly Stability is insane for France
Honestly i think this path would be 10x better if the civil war/referendum happened way earlier. And it really shkuld be able to considering the large CPF support at the start of the game
I actually quite like playing France in hoi4 due to it's physical location and all the stuff you can mess with around you. Even so, despite doing dozens of playthroughs I never even noticed this path because the other two are so good in comparison. That being said after watching this I might have to give it a go.
thats the best part of the french focus tree
Whoever is putting the informative titles over the clickbait shit that the video normally has is a saint btw, makes it super easy to actually find which video is which. Best plugin
Can I just say that beginning part of u saying gravy Timothy really fast was funny AF 😂
I thought this was KR
No, we have kaiserreich at home
@@nevets2371 I can't believe ISP would lie to us like this
Thought so too
You thought it because of the French flag from kaiserreich
Funny how this is my favorite alternative history patch. Conquering UK (and dominions) and Italy by 1940 is quite OP!
4:13 In all fairness, that portrait/character is a somewhat recent addition, added around the time they released NSB because while they were researching Soviet politics for that DLC they realized that it actually didn't make a lot of sense to have a staunch supporter of the Soviet Union (Maurice Thorez, who was supported by Stalin) go against the Stalin line and so drew up René Nicod who was noted for being vehemently against the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. Also, making the constituent parts of the UK revolt, while probably not the most optimal way to play, is definitely one of the funnier things you can do as France, right up there with turning Germany into a mass of squabbling states as Napoléon.
The Germany you released got the German Focus tree. I saw them do Ostwall. xD
Surprised he didnt look at that one french monarchy path that involves uniting your throne with spain and then just ENDS.
This feels like a multiplayer troll route, civil wars everywhere, removing cores and stab/war supp 🤔
Bringing La Resistance to multiplayer is overall a bad idea.
"Oh! I can flip this country to my Democracy!"
"No! I will flip it to Communism!"
"No! I will quietly tilt it to Axis!"
"Get the hell out of here! It's MY country and I SHALL stay Neutral!"
As someone who made a France BoP mod, this path was the hardest to balance for sure !
Funny thing to note, if you do the Bonipartist civil war the french commune spanwns in the same location as your civil war did
When I saw the thumbnail I thou This was Kaiserriech
I think this is one of the best focus tree. It gives you 10% division attack and 10% factory/dockyard output.
Plz play as Bokassa I in KX and become the Kaiser (Mittelafrika breakaway Ubangi-Shari)
Loved the focus on the G in gravy timmothy
My favorite french path is in road to 56, go napoleon, Its so fun, no its op, but its still hard to beat Germany so i typically invite (poland romania and itlay to faction) and its easy win typically, but if u go solo its more of a struggle but it gives you more of a sense of accomplishment (you can take all of Belgium Netherlands and spain) before British guarantees, its so fun being able to be the offensive one with france
I'm noticing a pattern here "A to Z but maximising personal misery" you dont have to suffer for out entertainment my guy
shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
I mean Bourbon France is the best Alt Path for a historical game as it lets you just dig in and hold the line against the Germans and Italians
I'm so glad you posted, just refreshed the page and saw the new video and ngl made me smile :)
I have a record of going through 6 different civil wars before 1940 as France
Katie Melua Challenge: As UK, have USSR release Georgia and reach Beijing with 9 million fielded manpower in bicycle battalions.
Episode 14 of asking to play as Poland, get Wojtek as leader, conquer Jan Mayen and play as Jan Mayen
The Timmies yearn for the Rat, ISP
dude is just finishing what Napoleon had wet dreams about
Based syndicalist Commune of France
just gave up a quarter of my life playing belgium i went facist and become a meat rider for germany and then i got all of the lowlands and part of france more like half and im the most powerful member of the axis currently
We must return the holy artillery only order to crusade against youtube
Daily petition for ISP to do Artillery Only 3
Why settle for artillery? What about anti-tank only
@@ordinaryrat real
Everytime I play Communist France, I always go Loyalty to the cause
Still baffling to think that this man makes a living playing HOI4
I swear that part of the french focus tree did not exist last time i checked
Due to your lack of RAT you should go do an anti-tank only challenge.
And suddenly McArthur decides to do the funny in Berlin
I don't know why "Francy Pancy" was so funny to hear.
I tried this path once, accidentally got myself into a civil war by intervening in spain. Iberia truly is the worst place imaginable.
Please, Gravy Timothy is my father, call me Saucy Timmy.
Still can’t believe he didn’t board the train with ethiopia
never even looked that side of the tree 💀
He should keep calling it Hocus Focus
The Never Ending Baguette Revolution!
That was actually a pretty fun path lol
9:38
The chances of them accenping are very low. Iirc the chance for all of them to say yes it 0.03%
Yeah its stupid, it should be compliance based or there should be decisions to reinforce popularity in some states or smth. Instead of just blind luck that ruins the fun.
Making Napoleon proud
this is a way better path than orleanist
thats the path i played the first time in hoi4
Funny enough, of all the funny and meme path France can take, the Communist one is the most accurate/plausible... But who wants to be communist when you can bring back the Empire eh?
Napoleon path is a W
Napoleon path is a W
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ISP pretending that the US and the UK are an actual threat is the funniest part of this video
Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass
You gotta try the Anarchist France tree in Kaiserredux 🙏
Lol new Germany got its tree
Also Stalin still around
Can Trotsky's USSR do the espionage thing because it really seems like Mr. Permanent Revolution should be able to do that
You make Napoleon proud!
Can't wait for the letters 'R' for RATS
If I had a nickel for every time I have seen someone play communist France today I would only have two nickels but it’s weird it happened twice
You forgot the "which isn't a lot" before the "but"
@@azzyfellal Damn
Was hoping you would fight the allies ):, Except America ig because that would be hell
The rat side of the focus tree
Hey
Stalin still in charge of French Russia
I think we need crab-bania merch
ISP what about a challenge where the only unit you can field is a singular space marine division?
It would be quite educating to watch. It's the only proper option for Tibet, Saudi Arabia and some other neutrals.
Lore of The Never Ending Revolution - Hearts Of Iron 4 momentum 100
the French Communist tree appears to just have you do the Napoleon stuff... but in red
Brazil jump scare.
Gravy Timothy jumpscare.
Petition for ISP to play Syndicalist Italy/Roman Empire in Kaiserredux Day 59
500k dollars or dinner with isp
I will never understand or approve moving from 'gravy baby' to 'gravy timmy/timothy'.
What is the lore reason ISP call us Gravy Timmies?
I was crazy once…
7:30 Brazil Jumpscare
Ik next time he'll play fifa 23
Funny man, the people crave the rat!
Hello Lord Halifax! *Slaps Head*
Gravvy Timothy
Gravy Timothy 🗣🗣🗣🎉🎉🎉
Acheesements A-Z finish it!!!
GLORY TO THE RATS
Do the Bourbon France Path
This is just playing as napoleon
modded vic 2 games would be cool to see
gravy timmothe 😡0:00
could you also take a look at the fascist french path? I think it's also overlooked but could be fun
I thought this was going to be a KX video