It's almost like an experienced player and coach of a professional football club, knows MORE about where his own team is at than some random journo who has never set foot in an AFL club, now that is a shocker!
Thanks for the correction and balance, Caro. Out of all the clubs who would look to tank, Hawthorn is not one of them. Hawthorn is a club founded on success and like Sam said repeatedly during pre-season 'there's no ceiling on the club's development towards the next premiership.' Hawthorn has hardly had a top 10 pick in the last 20 years, and didn't even have a top 5 pick last season. All of a sudden, some tough list changes and the media narrative was 'this is scary for Hawthorn and they're tanking for pick 1 and the AFL has to do something about it.' Without O'Meara and Mitchell, who were apparently carrying the club unbeknown to Hawthorn fans who watch us play every week, Hawthorn has become a top 3 clearance and stoppage side in the league with the youngest list in the AFL. A lot was also made of the 1000s of games experienced lost when McEvoy and Shiels barely factored last season, nor did Gunston, and other players like Hartigan had experience at several clubs but were no more than squad players. People forget that with the youngest list last season, Hawthorn finished 8-14. This 'basket case' club won 8 matches, beat Premiers Geelong and lost to Carlton by 1 point, Melbourne by 10, Brisbane by 5, Collingwood by 4 and Fremantle by 7. Like last season, there have been a few bad performances peppered in but this list is competitive and has a clear identity in the way it wants to play, if nothing else. Still a very long way to go, but I watch every week and remember vividly the young Hawks in Clarkson's early days as coach, and have seen enough to know this is a very talented young list going in the right direction.
@@scully745 You mean where Richmond got the number one pick and chose not to pick Roughead, Franklin or Lewis? It didn't matter who won the "tank off" because obviously both clubs had completely different priorities at the draft. Gold Coast and North Melbourne CURRENTLY have 11 top-10 picks on their list and Melbourne nine. Hawthorn has had 10 top 10 picks total since 2000.
From a Freo fan perspective, thanks for O'Meara he's been crucial in our wins over The SWANS, DEMONS AND GEELONG and he's only getting better, we'll miss him for the week(weak) suspension
i think its a win win for all three clubs. Our future will be better off without omeara and Mitchell, our midfield has improved greatly this year. And those players have improved your midfield as well.
I mean a lot of people bagged out hawthorn for changing up there midfield at the end of last season but if any of these media people actually watched the games they would’ve noticed that Mitchell, O’meara only played like 30-40% of the time in the midfield as they were slowly transitioning them out and players like shiels and howe were done anyway. 100% the right move by the club. So i am not sure why people were surprised by the list changes. 🤷🏻♂️
Kane should settle down he tends to poke and prod at anything and to be completely honest i think Ross was not at all sombre after the loss he was just being honest and he still had a smile on his face. Did Kane want him to do cartwheels after the loss. Please try to be professional instead of getting upset because he didn't have positive words about your station doesn't mean he is not a great coach. Look at where the saints were last year he has done as good as any before him up until now so give him a break.
Clarko's strategy was to have a team challenge for a flag. He's not a rebuilding coach and didn't know where his team was ACTUALLY at. Sam Mitchell knows what his team has a traded good players that still have value to get value back. West Coast's aging players have no value, only injuries. They waited to long to trade older players for youth. It also gets rid of club loyalty a bit.
Himself? What a joke . Clarko took us to 4 GF in a row to 3 wins . 4 flags total. Legend of the club. The idea is to hold onto success as long as you can . When he took over he was rebuilding and did it well. We were second bottom in 04.
@@twomindz79 agree however Clarko in the last 4 years was blind to the list’s qualities and strengths . He was wrong on many recruiting moves. He gave up the farm for omeara which to all outsiders was not going to work.
No Caro - you should not have judged a team after only 2 games - but you made those comments because you are ( along with many other media pundits ) an expert. What a joke modern day media in Australia is - so critical.
The media cycle is so crowded, and the ‘journalists’ / mouthpieces are under so much pressure to have an impact week in week out that their analysis often loses perspective in an attempt to say something profound about every round of footy. What everyone said about Hawthorn at the start of the season was fair on a short-term reactive basis, hopefully the humble pie now makes them a little more circumspect about the grandiose statements.
Carro your wrong every week on alot of things can FC have this segment of Carro arrowing herself, only issue is we cannot find a big enough quiver or a segment long enough unless FC is going to air 7 days a week.
I didn't think Caro's earlier comments were offensive or warranted an apology as most outside observers shared the same opinion. Sam Mitchell is nobody's fool and has this group developing nicely. The real cultural damage was done years earlier, when Clarko traded away four club legends for nothing and then proceeded to waste several first-round draft picks (and Ryan Burton) on two slow inside midfielders and Chad Wingard. For as good as O'Meara and Mitchell were for us, they hardly got you thinking that another flag was just around the corner. They are great guys and it's good to see them playing for clubs that will likely be involved in finals action.
Why did she change topics in that last bit just to slam Collingwood and the netball team. The netball team wasn’t going anywhere and it was wasted money that the club will now spend in other areas that will improve the overall club. It sucks that the program will be no more but that’s business. It’s a sad move but a much needed move nonetheless.
Footy journalists are just short term noise... Up and down static just to fill content that in the long term they get wrong more than right unless it so obvious no one could deny it.
Sam was right ? Of course he was right ! He's got more football nouse in his little pinky than clowns like wilson who's only interested in back room dealings and shenanigans than anything to do with footy ! Keep the list building and coaching to those that know what they're doing while jokes like Wilson stick to muck raking
11 wins and counting for the second youngest list in the AFL. I'd say Sam is doing just fine for a club that was supposedly tanking less than a year ago... not sure how you can do that winning 7, 8 and 7 matches in previous seasons. No one at the club asked for donations like the Roos.
I wrote a long post to Kane Cornes' overly pessimistic outlook on Hawthorn before the start of the season saying they were the most irrelevant club in the AFL. Hopefully, as a self-proclaimed well-researched football journalist, he too has actually watched a handful of Hawthorn games this season and revised his outlook. Port are irrelevant, Hawthorn most certainly are not.
The footy media is the worst echo chamber ever. I see Lloyd on almost every footy show, reinforcing his own opinion he made on another program! What's ludicrous is they have a bet both ways and ride the momentum week by week. I'd respect them more if they stuck to an opinion based on fact and experience rather than comment based on the weekend results. I do that with mates these are meant to be the pros. 😊
So money is going to solve the issues with the racism allegations. If the accuser accepts money for their perceived harm, it wasnt actually hurtfull if you can basically buy them off
@@itsWAHOO2012 Hmm.. Not sure she was too wrong about Clarko uppping sticks when everyone else was saying he was commtited; and of course who could forget the comment about it being time for McGuire to think about moving on from Collingwood for the sake of Collingwood when everyone else thought otherwise - Can't find too many pies supporters who would disaagree with that given hindsight. And they are the ones where she was at odds with everyone else. And, so on, and so forth.. But when she gets it wrong, she doesn't shy away from it and admits it.. A lot better than others in the industry including at least one lame reporter on the AFL payroll who has been shtum about his early tanking remarks. She has had a career that incompetence cannot support.
Caroline Wilson should quit so should Damian Barret not even round 1 hawthorn tanking. What a joke. Both never played a game in their life. Both talk shut everyone.
It's almost like an experienced player and coach of a professional football club, knows MORE about where his own team is at than some random journo who has never set foot in an AFL club, now that is a shocker!
Who would have thought 😂
Lol
Carlton have had experience players and coaches for the last 20+ years who think they know more, they've gone through 4 rebuilds 🤣🤣
Meh. Saying it's stupid this early makes no sense. Saying it is wise this early makes no sense.
Lol. 10 rounds into a rebuild.
atleast she didnt double down like damo and say they're still tanking
Yeah I saw that on access all areas. He said they would’ve won 2-3 more games with Mitchell and Omera. Like cmon Damo just say you’re wrong
Barrett is a nob head
The fact that the rest of the panel were surprised she admitted she was wrong has me in tears, they understand how stingy she is
Thanks for the correction and balance, Caro. Out of all the clubs who would look to tank, Hawthorn is not one of them. Hawthorn is a club founded on success and like Sam said repeatedly during pre-season 'there's no ceiling on the club's development towards the next premiership.'
Hawthorn has hardly had a top 10 pick in the last 20 years, and didn't even have a top 5 pick last season. All of a sudden, some tough list changes and the media narrative was 'this is scary for Hawthorn and they're tanking for pick 1 and the AFL has to do something about it.'
Without O'Meara and Mitchell, who were apparently carrying the club unbeknown to Hawthorn fans who watch us play every week, Hawthorn has become a top 3 clearance and stoppage side in the league with the youngest list in the AFL. A lot was also made of the 1000s of games experienced lost when McEvoy and Shiels barely factored last season, nor did Gunston, and other players like Hartigan had experience at several clubs but were no more than squad players.
People forget that with the youngest list last season, Hawthorn finished 8-14. This 'basket case' club won 8 matches, beat Premiers Geelong and lost to Carlton by 1 point, Melbourne by 10, Brisbane by 5, Collingwood by 4 and Fremantle by 7.
Like last season, there have been a few bad performances peppered in but this list is competitive and has a clear identity in the way it wants to play, if nothing else. Still a very long way to go, but I watch every week and remember vividly the young Hawks in Clarkson's early days as coach, and have seen enough to know this is a very talented young list going in the right direction.
Did this take a while to type.
W comment go hawks
@@FootyGuy2016 and useful thoughts?
So we're just gonna pretend the 2004 tank-off between Hawthorn and Richmond didn't happen?
@@scully745 You mean where Richmond got the number one pick and chose not to pick Roughead, Franklin or Lewis? It didn't matter who won the "tank off" because obviously both clubs had completely different priorities at the draft. Gold Coast and North Melbourne CURRENTLY have 11 top-10 picks on their list and Melbourne nine. Hawthorn has had 10 top 10 picks total since 2000.
From a Freo fan perspective, thanks for O'Meara he's been crucial in our wins over The SWANS, DEMONS AND GEELONG and he's only getting better, we'll miss him for the week(weak) suspension
i think its a win win for all three clubs. Our future will be better off without omeara and Mitchell, our midfield has improved greatly this year. And those players have improved your midfield as well.
As a pies fan, thanks hawthorn for Tom Mitchell xo
And poor ol omeara will still never play in a premiership 😂
@@Theonetruegypsymitchell might tho 👍
I mean a lot of people bagged out hawthorn for changing up there midfield at the end of last season but if any of these media people actually watched the games they would’ve noticed that Mitchell, O’meara only played like 30-40% of the time in the midfield as they were slowly transitioning them out and players like shiels and howe were done anyway. 100% the right move by the club. So i am not sure why people were surprised by the list changes. 🤷🏻♂️
Damian Barrett next
CARO ADMITTING SHE IS WRONG? IS THIS EARTH?
"Caro concedes she was wrong about Hawthorn's list strategy" IF I WAS THIS WRONG all the time in my Job Guess what I WOULDNT Have one
Now for the Patrick Cripps apology Wilson
You mean the bombers 😂 0:08
Kane should settle down he tends to poke and prod at anything and to be completely honest i think Ross was not at all sombre after the loss he was just being honest and he still had a smile on his face. Did Kane want him to do cartwheels after the loss. Please try to be professional instead of getting upset because he didn't have positive words about your station doesn't mean he is not a great coach. Look at where the saints were last year he has done as good as any before him up until now so give him a break.
As a life long hawks supporter , I fully supported the list strategy, Clarkos strategy was for himself ,
Clarko's strategy was to have a team challenge for a flag. He's not a rebuilding coach and didn't know where his team was ACTUALLY at. Sam Mitchell knows what his team has a traded good players that still have value to get value back. West Coast's aging players have no value, only injuries. They waited to long to trade older players for youth. It also gets rid of club loyalty a bit.
Himself? What a joke . Clarko took us to 4 GF in a row to 3 wins . 4 flags total.
Legend of the club. The idea is to hold onto success as long as you can .
When he took over he was rebuilding and did it well. We were second bottom in 04.
@@twomindz79 agree however Clarko in the last 4 years was blind to the list’s qualities and strengths . He was wrong on many recruiting moves. He gave up the farm for omeara which to all outsiders was not going to work.
You’ve been Wrong so many times Caro I’m amazed your still a journalist. If I got things wrong at work I won’t be working tomorrow,
Yet here you are..
respect for admitting she was wrong
No Caro - you should not have judged a team after only 2 games - but you made those comments because you are ( along with many other media pundits ) an expert. What a joke modern day media in Australia is - so critical.
The media cycle is so crowded, and the ‘journalists’ / mouthpieces are under so much pressure to have an impact week in week out that their analysis often loses perspective in an attempt to say something profound about every round of footy. What everyone said about Hawthorn at the start of the season was fair on a short-term reactive basis, hopefully the humble pie now makes them a little more circumspect about the grandiose statements.
It’s about being first more than accurate with the media mob
Caro due for another apology with the ridiculous false Cripps story.
Carro your wrong every week on alot of things can FC have this segment of Carro arrowing herself, only issue is we cannot find a big enough quiver or a segment long enough unless FC is going to air 7 days a week.
I didn't think Caro's earlier comments were offensive or warranted an apology as most outside observers shared the same opinion. Sam Mitchell is nobody's fool and has this group developing nicely. The real cultural damage was done years earlier, when Clarko traded away four club legends for nothing and then proceeded to waste several first-round draft picks (and Ryan Burton) on two slow inside midfielders and Chad Wingard. For as good as O'Meara and Mitchell were for us, they hardly got you thinking that another flag was just around the corner. They are great guys and it's good to see them playing for clubs that will likely be involved in finals action.
Caro they loss to Essendon in round one not Melbourne
Carro needs to do this more. Admit when she WRONG 😑
which is a lot
Look women don’t do that. Just take this one win and be happy lol
Show me a journo who has ever done that
She rarely is: Essendon drug cover up, Clarke not coming to reunion m, David Noble getting fired, Clarko getting the boot as well. I could go on
Not enough hours in the day.
Karo is such an old haggas
they could of kept on all their old players and be like west coast now
Love ya work Caro 💪
Caro’s burner account logged in 😂l😂😂😂😂
She’s also wrong about the Cripps story she reported lmao 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Why did she change topics in that last bit just to slam Collingwood and the netball team. The netball team wasn’t going anywhere and it was wasted money that the club will now spend in other areas that will improve the overall club. It sucks that the program will be no more but that’s business. It’s a sad move but a much needed move nonetheless.
She seemed like a hostage here 🤣
"I wasn't the only one" commonnnnn Caro.. just take it on the chin.. such a poor journalist
Footy journalists are just short term noise... Up and down static just to fill content that in the long term they get wrong more than right unless it so obvious no one could deny it.
Sam was right ? Of course he was right ! He's got more football nouse in his little pinky than clowns like wilson who's only interested in back room dealings and shenanigans than anything to do with footy ! Keep the list building and coaching to those that know what they're doing while jokes like Wilson stick to muck raking
Hahaha carro is arrowing her self lmfao
11 wins and counting for the second youngest list in the AFL. I'd say Sam is doing just fine for a club that was supposedly tanking less than a year ago... not sure how you can do that winning 7, 8 and 7 matches in previous seasons. No one at the club asked for donations like the Roos.
Respect for this
I wrote a long post to Kane Cornes' overly pessimistic outlook on Hawthorn before the start of the season saying they were the most irrelevant club in the AFL. Hopefully, as a self-proclaimed well-researched football journalist, he too has actually watched a handful of Hawthorn games this season and revised his outlook. Port are irrelevant, Hawthorn most certainly are not.
Hawthorn lives rent free in Cornes head
@@garthodowd6846 fact 💯%
This aged well.
@@swordiexd It sure did :)
Your tigers are the laughing stock now caro 🎉
Still waiting on Barrett's apology regarding tanking. Won't hold me breath.
WOW thats a first from Caro ...you have some of my respect now ....LAY OFF THE BOMBERS ...LOL
Not the only thing she has got it wrong latley maybe time to hang up the broomstick
The footy media is the worst echo chamber ever. I see Lloyd on almost every footy show, reinforcing his own opinion he made on another program!
What's ludicrous is they have a bet both ways and ride the momentum week by week. I'd respect them more if they stuck to an opinion based on fact and experience rather than comment based on the weekend results. I do that with mates these are meant to be the pros. 😊
The over 55's radio stadiums get so cranky at Triple M.
So money is going to solve the issues with the racism allegations. If the accuser accepts money for their perceived harm, it wasnt actually hurtfull if you can basically buy them off
Carrooooo you mole lol keep it shut more often
Is there an apology coming for the comments made about players not staying in the same hotel? Which were totally wrong?! Lol time to retire Caro
almost like you should not make giant assumptions before atleast mid season
She can admit she's wrong about Hawthorn, but she can't bring herself to mentioning an Essendon win! We beat the Hawks in R1 NOT Melbourne!
Are you going to admit you were wrong about Taranto and Hopper benefitting Richmond
She knows nothing anyway, just wastes airtime that someone with game knowledge go have
Essendon not Melbourne
First time for everything
round 1 against melbourne? you mean essendon?! 😂😂😂😂
Shut up don't push it Guys If a woman admits shes wrong take it as big win! Stay humble while in front haha
Can she actually arrow herself though 👍
How this woman gets a gig on TV is beyond a joke - got to have a token woman to keep the PC brigade happy
they lost to bloody essendon caro
Carro again shows why she is one of the best AFL journos around...
Why? For being ridiculously wrong? Again? Yep, great journalism. I hope you're being facetious
Now that comment made me laugh 😂
The best? Continuing to get things completely wrong and always pushing this talk that women are hated in the AFL
@@itsWAHOO2012 Hmm.. Not sure she was too wrong about Clarko uppping sticks when everyone else was saying he was commtited; and of course who could forget the comment about it being time for McGuire to think about moving on from Collingwood for the sake of Collingwood when everyone else thought otherwise - Can't find too many pies supporters who would disaagree with that given hindsight. And they are the ones where she was at odds with everyone else. And, so on, and so forth.. But when she gets it wrong, she doesn't shy away from it and admits it.. A lot better than others in the industry including at least one lame reporter on the AFL payroll who has been shtum about his early tanking remarks. She has had a career that incompetence cannot support.
st kilda are so overated
That is why you are a journalist Caro and not a coach.
“Journalist” that tried to create drama about Carlton/Cripps based on information she has now admitted was wrong
Caroline Wilson should quit so should Damian Barret not even round 1 hawthorn tanking. What a joke. Both never played a game in their life. Both talk shut everyone.
"This is what I said in round 1 after Hawthorn lost to Melbourne by 10 goals."
It was Essendon that they played...