Brexit Farce Getting Worse
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- In this new Federal Trust video, Brendan Donnelly and John Stevens review the British decision to join the Trans-Pacific Partnership or CPTPP. They believe that this decision will bring at best minimal benefits to the UK and some disadvantages. Its importance is being overstated by the British government simply as a distraction from the unfolding difficulties of Brexit.
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John Stevens is the Chairman of the Federal Trust and a former Conservative MEP.
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The chap on the right said, " If we decided that we wanted to rejoin the European Union, we`d rejoin the European Union." Not so fast, bro : We would ask the European Union if it would have us and I think the likely answer would be "No!"
It takes - as you`ll know - every member state of the EU to accept an application to join.
The point was that membership of the Trans-Pacific partnership would not be a barrier to reentry, as some British Eurosceptics like to claim.
Hi, greetings from the evil EU. I think the EU would take the UK back. It would require a very big change in attitude and a large majority in a referendum that has been thought through and where what next is set in stone. Changing the first-past-the-post system should also be a requirement.
@@federaltrust No, it wouldn't, however, Sínn Fein Ireland will be the biggest obstacle to rejoining.
I'm optimistic it's probably '48 before england rejoin. No more Great, no more Britain and the kingdom crumbled into the sea.
Truth be told.
See Rule 303
The guy on the left 🤣🤣🤣
It's over for the UK and it happen in '69. No one listened and it's too late now.
"Our revenge will be the laughter of our children" - The people's own MP
We've not forgotten or been wasting the decades.
We're ready for reunification ✊💚✊
Together we're Better
@@greattobeadub I agree with everything except maybe the bit about changing the first past the post system. I'm happy to change it but I don't think that can be made a requirement. I think we're looking at 10 to 20 years before a return.
27 sovereign nations, each with a vote and a veto. No major changes to the Union without unanimity. Johnson lied.
Ships are sinking but orchestra is amazing
A loss of 4% A YEAR vs 0.08% gain over 10 YEARS
How was that loss of 4% calculated.
Is it correct?
For how long will that 4% loss extend, every year for ever more or is it a one off hit?
Might it one day change to a 4% gain as future time passes and future change impacts.
Was this calculation applied to other countries, and if so what was the results.
“If we want to join the EU, we just join the EU 7:21
That’s not how it works though. The UK can meet the Copenhagen Criteria and when that is done can _request to join_ . It is solely up to the then EU members to accept the UK as a members.
(Details matter guys)
The phrase “we must rejoin the EU”was meant as the setting of a policy goal for the UK, not as the expression of a right for the UK to be readmitted.
If UK liked to rejoin it is going to be in a new conditions ... Not in the old ones, but sure that it will quickly than others
@@federaltrust it was about Brandon’s claim and given that multiple viewers stated the same concern, it might be something to think about.
Details matter !
@@nicodesmidt4034English don't do details.
Agree with you completely, the language and expressions used matter a lot. Entitlement and exceptionalism runs so deep they don't notice details themselves any longer and have to come up with lame explanations afterwards.
UK can apply to join after meeting the Criteria. UK can start the accession negotiations if EU commission accepts it and get a mandate from the Council. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_enlargement_of_the_European_Union Here you can see how the accession process goes.
7:05 “If we decide to rejoin the EU we will rejoin the EU” … Erm… don’t the 27 members of the EU have a say in this?
Not sure that we’d agree easily!
Yep, made the same comment above.
I know at least a couple of countries that would want something back for the UK to join
@@nicodesmidt4034 they may well get what they want and it would still be a price worth paying.
It's only the propaganda from people who voted to remain most people realise EU has many problems and despite expansion shrinking in growth since EEC in 1980.
@@andrewwatson5324 yep
We don’t want to rejoin
They'll be celebrating a deal with the Isle of Wight next 😂😂
Has the Isle of White got food, because there's a scant amount of it in England at the moment!
@@juststuff5216 Soon to be even less Justy, just watch, seven British grocery wholesalers have defaulted on bills with European manufacturers and suppliers, and now they are all demanding payment before shipment. And in October checks will further reduce shipments. Sinking ever further. ffs
@@alexanderromanov737What a load of utter shyte you’re spouting
My family have business' in France, Holland, Belgium and UK. My son lives in Toulon and is thriving along with all the European businesses. We are starting the process of closing UK operations and moving them to Holland. It is impossible to make money in the UK outside of the City of London.
dont tell that to Brexshiteers, they will never believe you...
you need to wave the flag more and start believe in unicorns and a trade deal with the USA!
I hope your UK customer market dries up correspondingly
@@mogznwaz We want to supply UK customers but the paperwork and the compliance involved is impossible.
@@mogznwaz imagine, buying from the UK and pay 50% VAT on it!!!
When analysing these moves. It is important to understand the MP's promoting this and their motivations.
The ERG was set up by disaster capitalists, not traditional Conservatives.
The EU was clamping down on their lack of probity.
Perhaps they believe the CPTPP will have a more laissez faire attitude.
They seam to have little concern for the economy, only what they can bleed out for themselves.
Culminating in Liz Truss!!!!
Yes, and I was saying that for years to Brexiteers; and they obviously had not thought about it and wanted the Brexit version that meant more money back in the UK and less immigration. I pointed out that model is false as the EU boosted UK GDP and immigration was necessary and beneficial to an aging demographic! Its at that point I pointed out the ERG was a tax avoiding disaster capitalist cult and were lying, that did not go down well. What happened was denial, evasion and anger. That is still essentially what we still have!
@@bryangeake5826 Telling people that they have been drubbed, does not go down too well.
I have had these conversations.
We need a face saving message with positive outcomes.
@@andrewfrancis3591 ...how do you be positive about the EU and our re-joining to people such that believe the EU remains the reason why the UK has vast inequality, and are xenophobic in their outlook. One just cannot be 'positive' about what they are diametrically opposed to!
@@bryangeake5826 Re-joining is so far in the future, that talking about it is pointless.
The message we need is, the current trading relationship needs reforming.
This is becoming obvious to all.
The use of the word closer alignment should be left for JRM, let him blurt it out he's a spent force.
Failure will leave Conservatives, playing culture wars like the republicans.
The supporters of Brexit want to discourage the UK’s return to the EU by claiming that joining the TPP makes any return impossible. We should not fall for this propaganda, which has little basis in fact.
Of course it's propaganda. We can withdraw from the TPP at any time, just like the USA did recently.
Difficult though it is for organisations such as yours to understand, ordinary people quite like the idea of genuine democracy, not the sort of limited, faux-democracy practised by the EU. Of course you're in favour of a federal Europe; decisions are then effectively taken behind closed doors, doubtless with the input and unelected and unaccountable quangos and pressure groups such as your own, which then present policies to be approved by the European Parliament, an institution with the teeth of an old crone, or one of Macbeth's witches. Democracy is so tiresome for organisations such as your own, isn't it? There really isn't any guarantee that people will actually vote the "right" way.
@stephen barden we live in a country where about 40% of the vote secures you around 60% of the seats in parliament
We have no leg to stand on calling other parliaments 'faux democratic'!
No we voted to leave for many reasons Inc the meddling done in a democratic vote, you need to start worrying and the EU and it's direction when it was EEC it had 30% of global GDP now it's less than 15%, influence dying Macron making a fool of himself in Africa so arrogant just like the EU, world is changing I'm afraid.
I would not want to return to an organisation that vetoed our proposals some 70+ times over 47 years, it's pretty darn obvious that either you people have total blind faith in that rubbish cartel, and cannot wait to have them start their dirty tricks all over again. We have a real and beneficial opportunity with the CPTPP, let's take full advantage of it.
It is strange that the British public had to vote to join, and leave, the EU yet apparently the Tories don't believe the population should have a right to an opinion on joining another trading bloc, on the other side of the world for a potential decade to achieve a 0.0008% GDP increase is questionable at best, to quote someone I used to work with: Fuck my life! 🥺
The Tories only believe in democracy when it suits them - remember that.
The 2016 referendum had very little to do with any desire of today’s Conservative Party for democracy. It was simply the product of a long-running civil war within the Conservative Party.
yes it is like loseing a pound and finding one pence and thinking you have a good deal
@@12presspart but the 1p is so shiny so that must count for something, at least there isn't 240 of them in a pound anymore 😉
Permitting Britain to rejoin the EU would be of no advantage for the EU rather it would a liability considering the boorish behaviour of some Tory British MEPs.
Thank you for this excellent discussion and expert analysis. The popularity of Brexit is rapidly vanishing!
But then what ?
@@nicodesmidt4034 Hopefully a change of government. A lie of this size should bring a political party on its knees. That's the main goal.
@@uqs57bju true, and I was more talking about “what’s the plan” ,what changes would be required and in what order ?
@@nicodesmidt4034 if we can return to a fact-based discussion we can probably work it out from there.
I'm afraid your opinion is wrong. It would be more believable if you walked the streets of the UK and had a conversation with British people... Meaning you don't live here to give a factual representation rather than just your opinion..
Because the 12% EU tariff on Palm Oil has now gone down to ZERO (as we are now under the CPTPP regime) - Palm oil will be even cheaper than before in Britain and cash strapped firms will make MORE USE of this widespread ingredient in the full range of their bakery and similar products. This unforseen consequence will result in even more Palm oil production pressure on the environment and clearance of the rain forest and the valuable habitats for orangutans etc in the West Pacific islands - I just wonder where the Climate change credentials of our Government have gone.
EU cradle of human rights
😂
Yesterday's news and yesterday's antiquated trading bloc.
These trade deals they keep getting thousands of miles away that are as much worth as a balloon and a goldfish from the fair......
Services don’t rely on geographical proximity
Do you only go to the little shop on the corner for all your shopping?
@@lesskeels3417 No I go to the little shop the medium shop and the big shop because I have that choice depending on what I need.
@@mogznwaz Good for you then. There's a big wide world out there beyond Europe, not all of it hostile, go see some of it, I have, USA, Canada, Far East, anywhere at all.
@@lesskeels3417 What a weird thing to say. I’ve traveled all over the world thanks, I don’t need lessons from you about how the world works
So I lived in Germany for 15 years.
Do I still receive the pension owed to me or, do I just receive a payment in full?
Brexitariat twaddle further debunked, day by day, the sheer imbicility of Brexit is laid bare. I await with baited breath, the latest speech in Vietnamese by Jacob Grease BogWash in Hanoi, as he champions the virtues of Johnny Foreigner relations with the other side of the planet, as part of his roving role, as the ambassador for smelly underpantz.
Thank you.
So true! Well said, sir.
The people should get a vote. This was not an election promise.
I love your sense of humor Mr Fox, it lifts the spirit and your brevity of the gravity of situation Scotland. As the severity unfolds large majorities are gonna be mighty mighty angry, the reverberations will hit the world, re-examinations & yet more awakenings through the unraveling of crime. I'm glad to find you and commentary, thank you.
The idea that re entering the EU is as smple as the UK deciding it is beyond simplistic. Brexit prooved the the EU can perfectly manage without the UK. It will take large amount of eating humble cake on the Brit part, and hoping every EU nation is willing to vote in favour of their return.
No, in due course the UK will rejoin the EU and the EU, as a number of their senior diplomats have already said, will happy with it. We need the EU to prosper and the EU will be happy to add our economy and 65m+ population to their market. It has also the benefit to the EU of stopping the ridiculous drift towards a "Singapore on Thames" model that would be damaging for everybody. In the UK we need to remove the conmen and scammers who got us here and make some much needed reforms but it's inevitable that in time the UK will be back in the EU.
Brexit has been scrapped by the tories they have not honoured the legal referendum vote they are pure scum and should be in jail .
trust me we do not want you back stay away bye bye @@gazza595
@@bazrobb6242
I totally agree & disagree with this comment.
Be honest
.I said this in 2015 ,still true:lots of brits are convinced GB is located somewhere between Australia, US,Canada and India.long live the empire 2.O
We listened to the headbangers no look where we are
Yep, out of that declining, toxic organisation.
Welcome to Britcairn 2.
What we are currently witnessing in the UK is the collapse of an 18th century autocratic class society.
The UK in its present form isn't worth saving it, and as a matter of fact it already has become irrelevant.
Come back when you have grown up.
Disgraceful and ignorant comment. Please justify why you think being part of the EU political club is mandatory.
@@mogznwaz Credit where credit is due.
You seem to forget the enormous amount of lies and insults that came into our direction issued by brexiteers. Fact is that British society is still a class-based society.
@@franswiggers601 The Netherlands is a place where they wash their livestock and their consciences three times a day, and they still come up smelling of **** .
For many voters Brexit is primarily a deeper desire to take back control from Brussels. Remainers could not see that Brexit is not only about the economy and that is the reason they lost the referendum.
I think you are quite right that this was one of the (many) serious flaws of the Remain campaign in 2016 (George Osborne imagining he could reprise the economic fear campaign which (narrowly) won the 2014 referendum in Scotland). But the Federal Trust has always believed the process of European unification, represented by the EU, to be far broader: primarily about preserving European political, economic, social and cultural strength in a global context. Democracy is critical to European identity and with globalisation having internationalised (and thus rendered more powerful) so many economic, social and cultural processes, unless democracy in Europe is capable of internationalising itself, going beyond the traditional nation state, so as to be empowered to meet and manage and legitimise such processes, it will be overwhelmed, suborned and die. I also think British, English identity is rooted in some 3000 years of shared European history in its many forms, and should not discard this on account of the special and unrepeatable global history of our last 300 years. In some respects I regard rejoining the EU as essential for us to take back control of that deeper reality, which Brexit seems bent on denying, with potentially very grave consequences.
What have we got more control over now tho ? We’ve lost out place at the table on the world stage .
So basically Brexit got passed because the leave campaigners were better bullshitters than the remain campaigners
The King is naked
@@JohnStevens-gp7ge I'm afraid the world is changing and nationalism is alive and well, the EU despite expansion is slowly losing influence and growth in world markets, Macron in Africa is a good example, arrogance beyond belief. Germany has energy costs spiralling and Business leaving like BASF to Asia or US, energy costs caused by a possible 'ally' and Germany and Sweden both know who blew up pipeline but EU total silence apart from Clare Daly, 2 million people visit food banks weekly in Germany, France has 7 million people without referring Doctors Credit Suisse has been bailed out Deutsch Bank looking shaky and that is just a start, people on this page forget the grass isn't always greener....
EU pensions were always paid by the proposing country.
Thats why we are taxed to pay for divorce deal to support Nigel Farages very generous EU pension.
Not too many people understand world trade. The idea is to fleece the poor and meek and sell their efforts for maximum profits. High St rakes in trillions while serfs eat porriage
India for 250 years was and is a current example of this play as is China.
The reasons for Brexit were complex but the Sq Mile of London never like the Order that was growing within the EU, so the jitters got the better of them.
TLDR: to the sh*t hole!
By disrupting trade they have reduced areas of England to Lagos standard of eating
Not in Birmingham. It is impossible to get a table on a Saturday night at a decent restaurant.
@@lestrem11 I ment the lack of short life fresh food like tomatoes and cucumbers the are always the first to go when trade is disrupted
@@rigelkent8401 Move to Birmingham mate, no shortages here and never have been any.
@@lestrem11
By decent restaurant you mean Indian.
@@SPIDERM0OSE Not at all, it is all about, service, value and quality. Decent pubs and restaurants are rammed.
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What a bounty .An arrow maker and a Christian
Whoops looks like we won't be forgiven for voting the wrong way, lol
Absolutey correct ,brexit is a cancer ,a word I hate to use,
The democratic majority of the UK will disagree when they voted for sovereignty, independence from a corrupt, anti democratic, unaccountable, declining, protectionist, mafioso organisation run by a bunch of childish, vindictive, self serving, gravy train riding, free loading parasites. Leaving was about self governance, empowering the UK to make its own decisions. It does not set in stone what those decisions must be, it's back in the hands of the UK public and not in the hands of or shackled to Brussels.
Germany will go there own way.
Maybe the UK should join BRICS 🤔😀
Lol hahahahaha hahahahaha lol
I would laugh, but you cant seriously rule it out can you ?
We need to rejoin the 🇪🇺 EU. We have lost a lot of opportunities, especially young people.
We are over due to bring the voting age down to 16 as more young people need to be engaged in politics not left to the grey haired to decide the future of the young . The Party that puts that on their manifesto will get my vote.
How will the young Europeans get the basic opportunity to vote for, or get rid of the EU president democratically?
@@Buckets1000 I went into my local Deli today. He buys less and less from the EU due to paperwork and import duty which was £300 on one supply of Brlgian chocolates . Before the B all he had to do was send an email and pay postage. The Scottish seed potato industry lost its total EU market worth £ 110 million and bojo earns 22k month for 10 hours work a month writing for the Telegraph. We will bounce along the bottom of the G 20 for years if not decades.
Loss of opportunities is not a good reason for the EU agreeing to our rejoining. The EU will decide when and how we rejoin if at all.
Britain must sort its own house first before even considering asking to rejoin.
@@sweetwilliam4199 Ask yourself why the democratic majority of the UK voted for sovereignty, independence from a corrupt, anti democratic, unaccountable, declining, protectionist, mafioso organisation run by a bunch of childish, vindictive, self serving, gravy train riding, free loading parasites. Leaving was about self governance, empowering the UK to make its own decisions. It does not set in stone what those decisions must be, it's back in the hands of the UK public and not in the hands of or shackled to Brussels.
We told you so
Yes, you've been telling us and telling us what to do for years and years, which is why we wanted to leave in the first place.
So the people of the UK voted to leave. You wish to ignore this.We voted we have decided
Yes wand what an utter screwup that was🤦♂🤡
Britain ain't Singapore
...pipedreams
Absolutely what these guys won't mention is facts like the Netherlands will be paying 46 billion euro to finance this ‘Covid Recovery Fund’ to help weaker EU Member States cope with their budget deficits, it gets only 6 billion from that sum “back”, however with conditions attached.
If the UK were still a member our contribution would be of the order of 200 billion. Now the Commission are talking about making this 'emergency fund' permanent.
Just because you dont like a democratic decision didn't make it wrong. We voted for it and will take the consequences. Or are you the boss of everything. If its all so awful why are you still in the UK and if your not in the UK you comments aren't really of consequence
@@jimwoods293
I've noticed an awful lot of EU trolls on all these videos, anybody would think the Fed had an agenda, which of course they do, they're also low level intelligence levels, so, in effect they're just blubbering fools in an echo chamber hoping to insult Brexiteers back into EU dominance.
As Mr Soros EU said that the UK leaving will weaken & be a disaster for the EU.
We need a political enema to flush out the rotting reminents of Remoaners-Rejoiner within our own Establishment, who just cling onto the EUSSR, throwing their dummy out of the pram on every corner.
Yes yes-Europe is in terminal decline. It is all over...totgesagte leben länger
Down the pan!
ALCATRAZ new Cuba
What?
What a self righteous interview.
I voted to join the COMMON MARKET not the EU,and before you say it, never was it explained that it would be a political union or scrapping the pound,or a European army,if it had Britain would never have joined in the first place.
Even so our country changed under the common market,hedges were ripped out to make fields bigger , with CAP money,thus decimating bird and insect habitat.
More chemical fertiliser and insectorside was then needed to be spread on the fields,rivers became more polluted.
On the eastern part of the UK, because fields were made bigger and the land is flatter the fertile top soil was slowly blown away by strong winds.The UK is the windiest country in Europe.
To refertilise fish meal was used from our fish stocks cought by French and Spanish factory ships from our once fertile fish stocks in the Uk surrounding waters,they devastated fish population's with smaller net hole sizes.
The axel weight of wagons went up devastating Motor ways not designed to carry the excessive tonnage, old villages had damage done to cottages due to vibration.I could recount many things that changed under the common market and not for the better,but most of all I resent my vote being lent to promote a super state that was brought in underhand by whatever means.
So when I listen to pompous interview's that fail to explain the disadvantages of the EU it gets my back up.
He fails to say that the Uk is a democracy and was overruled by an autocratic EU system.
That for me was the reason for voting brexit.
Should we rejoin
we would have to adopt the Euro and the Lisbon treaty for any new joining members,I dont think the UK would go with that.
The main reason we are not doing so well is incompetent government and the intelgencia not being able to get over it.
It would be better if everyone got behind brexit and made it successful and getting rid of stupid net zero.
Please next time get someone on with a forward thinking view point instead of living in the past.
The past is that 52% voted for Brexit. The present is that every opinion poll has a majority now for Rejoin. This is the reality now, you live in the past. And the people who want to rejoin now will prevail in time, because they are now the majority. Getting bigger by the day. This is democracy, not your own backward looking, time stood still in 2016. I shan't reply to all the wrong facts about the EU, that you listed! People are no longer falling for EU lies in the same way. And don't believe the lies about climate change either, you are clearly on the wrong side of history with that one, but that is a different subject entirely.
@MrsGardiner Thank you for your reply,had we been in the EU we wouldn't have been able to help Ukraine like we are,it was the leadership of the UK that pushed the EU to help.
The vacination role out is another first for the UK.
Britains trade with the EU has actually gone up since brexit.
Ask Italy about the eight thousand migrants turning up last week in Lampedusa, the leader on the island said for the last twenty years the EU has never been seen to help or had a policy,ask Greece as well they would probably give the same answer.
Where is the EU policy to patrol its southern border to stop the migration of people?
Where is the EU policy in the Sehal to stop the trafficking ?
What about Germany in recession and the violence in France?
What about Hungary siding up to Russia?
What about the EU trying to force a migrant quota onto Poland and Hungary ?
What about Germany,France and several other EU countries contributions to Nato being below two percent of GDP but still want its protection ?
What about Austria still taking Russian gas through the back door.
The combined military contribution from the EU to Ukraine in particular France is less in proportion than ours.
The UK is still leading the way by being first to offer tanks ,missiles, training and other equipment,that's something we should be proud of.
We have left the EU for good or bad,we as a country need to get over leaving and move on .What makes you and others think the EU wants us back anyway?
As in life if you get divorced because one or both of you were unhappy,you don't go back, but make a new and better life.
So save you energy from enjoining and put it into a new future ,it just might be better in time.
@@phillipneale5256 Totally agree with you, Phillip. You make some excellent points. We've got some French friends, and they tell us about just how bad the situation is in some French cities, where anger with Macron's government is at boiling point; strangely enough, none of this is ever really reported by the BBC, mainly because it doesn't fit in with the BBC's "EU=always good, Brexit=always bad" narrative. The EU itself seems to have come to terms with our exit; why can't some Remainers? I suspect it's due to their sense of entitlement; in various guises they've run this country in their own interests for decades, craftily making sure that the public had no vote on further EU integration, and just couldn't believe it when their stranglehold was broken by the Brexit vote. I see that Stephen Fry is the latest celebrity Brexit-basher; I wonder which council housing list he currently resides on, which low-paid job he's trying to obtain, or indeed which NHS waiting list he is on. It's almost as funny as Fry's "Blackadder" appearances, though he's more of a Baldrick tribute act with this silly rant.
@stephenbarden6121 thanks Stephen for your reply,since watching this Brexit Farce getting worse,Italy has had about ten thousand migrants arrive in Lampedusa,they cant cope,the EU has said that they will be distributed around EU countries.First of all why should they be forced into other countries probably against the will of those countries, and why doesn't the EU protect those Southern seas to stop them in the first place?
The governor on Lampedusa said for the last twenty years the EU has done nothing about this problem,Europe's demograph will change forever if some measures aren't put in place including the UK.
France and Germany have closed their borders due to this invasion of Italy, so shengen really works then!
Taking all this to one side,if the UK were to sign up to any form of free trade I'm sure free movement would have to be part of it.
The danger is the EU has no working migrant policy and neither do we.
I watched a very jaw dropping UA-cam documentary the other day by Best Documentary, Britain's Second Empire, world of finance.
It's an hour and a quarter long,but we'll worth seeing, after watching you will see why the establishment hated leaving the EU and why it is desperate to get back in.I assure you rejoining is not for the little people's benifit just the big boys.Id be interested to what you think after watching.
@@phillipneale5256 Thanks, Phillip, I will definitely check out that documentary on You tube and give you my thoughts on it. You're absolutely right about Shengen; it's funny how the EU protests about the "sanctity of the Single Market"when it suits them, but then blatantly breaks those very same rules to gain the outcomes it desires, as it did for membership of the Euro. In some countries' cases, the convergence criteria needed was just ignored, these sacred rules just binned for convenience's sake!! The Euro was always political in nature, enabling yet more centralised control of a shared currency, a fact the people of Greece found to their cost from 2011 onwards.
What worries me is our forthcoming General Election; I think the Conservatives are discredited, often incompetent, and deserve to lose. However, if Keir Starmer wins, and I suspect he will, he will almost certainly rule out EU membership, whilst simply aligning us as far as possible to EU rules and regulations, as a cynical prelude to eventually going the whole hog and rejoining the whole damned thing. Dull though he is, he isn't stupid, and he needs the Red Wall back.
Yes, the Establishment elite love the EU; its very nature enables them to smuggle in policies they'd never get pass their electorates in open elections, like pretty much open borders. That's why there's no point arguing with people like the Federal Trust about the "democratic deficit"; that's the very thing they most like about the EU!! They can social- engineer away to their hearts' content; those democratic elections must be so vexing and tiring for them, and us "plebs" might ignore their lofty proclamations and vote the "wrong" way, as we did in 2016.
i am afraid we are just too close to europefor our own good,history has shown this,none of the parties want to leave europe ,we have been wrapped up in europe for 40+ years,we never left ,and we never will ....
your not welcome back into the EU
Oil your space bar. ffs
@@antonioguerreiro1615 We don't want back in thank you very much .
@@zeberdee1972 your welcome .......please do stay away the air in the EU is so much better
@@antonioguerreiro1615You are a disgrace to your country and to democracy
Salvo Scotland
In the end all EU nations WILL join the CPTPP or whatever it is called then. The EU commission will just melt away.
What a wonderfully nonsensical statement. CPTPP is irrelevant and is a bad deal, even Trump saw that. Relations with China will sour and the pull back to the EU is inevitable as the UK gets poorer.
LOL you’re just here for laughs. 😂
The Chinese CPTPP greater Asian Fraternal Democratic Prosperity Union?. Take a trip down the Mekong in Indo China - the script you see on the more advanced enterprises is CHINESE , who funds the diamond mines in the entral African Republic ... yes you have guessed it !. It is the same move Japan made in the 1940s but more nuanced and better prepared. Its first bite is Taiwan. You don't need to be a Churchill to see it. Check Reuters Sept 17th 2021 - 'China applies to join Pacific trade pact to boost economic clout' Well I hope we enjoy the mouthful of chlorinated chicken and the bowlful of rice UK workers will get everyday in order to compete in this market we work for peanuts to satisfy an increasing demand from an enlarging Chinese middle class. Who in their right mind would enter any bloc dominated by China ?.
@@olearyma57 You make a powerful point. The strategic confusion of post-Brexit Britain towards China is extraordinary.
@@JohnStevens-gp7ge When you are desperately canvassing, frooooom a weak bargaining position, the remote corners of the globe begging for trade deals with dodgy partners in bottom of the market (already well provided for) markets your only friends are alcohol and strategic confusion of the highest order.
more interesting is will the US join CPTPP and if not will the EU join, and will the US allow the EU to join....
and who will join if China joins. Much bigger questions.
one thing CPTPP is the FUTURE... yall know it is.
Do you not recognise a Chinese scam when you see it. The muscleman on the bloc is making his play for world economic/ political dominance. Come into my parlour said the spider to the fly.
0.08% growth to UK gdp within next decade. Yeah sure it is the future hahaha
@@Matt-rw9pyYou’re not seeing the big picture but then Remainiacs never do
The US already has agreements with Mexico and Canada and I'd be unsure of the benefits to the US in joining unless they were able to play the lead role in influencing future decisions. Which is pretty much what they do in all things, being as the US is the largest economy in the world.
Well, the EU is currently in decline.
Will the EU reinstate your pensions if the UK was to rejoin the EU which the EU has clearly said we could never satisfy the entry requirements. Given a pin and a European map where would you want to live. I bet its 99.9% the UK. That says it all.
Hmmm….. Where are the facts?
@@fje1948 they did give a period of time of 25 years which I left out
@@fje1948 I could say the same place as the quoted cptpp future predictions which are not facts only predictions. We do not know what difference that trade agreement will make to the UK GDP.
I think you have misunderstood the question. He has worked in Germany and Germany will of course pay his pension. I will be paid as long as uk will have a working banking system.
@@ulfosterberg9116 but there will be no increase in his pension the same as if a person worked in the UK then left to live elsewhere his state pension will be frozen.
We don't wish to dictate to anyone, Luis; however, we do want to do govern ourselves, without being dictated to by a combination of the unelected and the unaccountable, as personified by the EU. Sure, the EU is democratic, rather in the way that 10 Downing Street is an inner city terraced house. They're both sort of true; but they're not really, are they? Nearly 25 years ago, American rebels rose up against British rule, crying out:"No taxation without representation."The EU's policy is: taxation with ogus representation. Organisations such as the Federal Trust love institutions such as the EU; it's a lot of friendly chats and deals brokered between the powerful and unelected, all safely done with little or no genuine public scrutiny or accountability. Of course they want a tied- up, cosy, insiders' Federal Europe.
Excellent all very true.
How sad that you still paddle these debunked lies and people actually seem to agree with you.
7 years of opportunities to educate and all the british/English public does is navelstaring at debunked arguments. Incapable of learning, you deserve everything you get.
The EU is run by its member states for its member states. How did the EU govern the UK and why would this not apply to other members?
So if you believe in transparency and accountability, naturally you are firmy against the CPTPP?
@@ab-ym3bf ab, your frankly quite arrogant and dismissive response to the black hole-sized lack of accountability in the EU project demonstrates exactly why your side lost the 2016 referendum. In EU land, any adverse referendum results are promptly overturned with a fresh referendum, as has happened on numerous occasions. Threats are then issued by the EU establishment against the said recalcitrant country, until the "correct" result is reached. Sorry, a b, it's undemocratic, unaccountable and authoritarian, and I'm so very glad we left. Ironically, its overbearing, centralising form of government merely turbo-charges the very populism it so despises.
Sounds like you're desperate.
Brexiteers only have ad hominin comments now, as the Brexit delusion is revealed for what it is!
Have you any facts, data or evidence which would rebut a single claim made in the video?
No, I didn't think so...
Back in reality, the UK is becoming increasingly desperate.
@@gloin10 ....Brexit was sold on a premise of something that was undeliverable. And that is what we are now finding, and its going to get rather ugly in the UK.
The UK had a 90 Billion increasing trade deficit with the EU yearly . In a closed single market it cannot do anything to reverse it . The pathetic decreasing 14% of World trade that the EU has leaves no option but to find other markets if it takes 10 years it will be worth it to keep our freedom .
Read the fine print,FFS. 1)The UK is signing the same form as it did with NZ and Australia vis that they can take the UK before commercial tribunals if they do not allow full access tio their markets. You have SIGNED AWAY freedom. You don't have a constitution, so there are no constitutional protections (Australia, NZ and Japan are constitutional states) 2) the UK has no workng history of involvement with Asia or the Pacific in the last 39 years (compare Austtralia, NZ,Japan).It doesn't understand Asia or its thinking. It has no Civil Service expertise, no academic expertise.If you think it is going to walk over the rergion, then think again.There is no great residual love for Britain in the area
Ukraine is larger than Germany and will add another large chunk of land to the EU ..Also Ukraine is commodity rich and will give a rich two way trade . Also Serbia is also about to join .
Freedom to live in a Banana Republic without the bananas and an incompetent government. Good luck with that.
@James, that it absolute tosh & if you stick your head out from your rabbit-hole & look around it's plain for you to see.
How did he Eu take your freedom ?
Isn't it about time you lot started to come bang up to date i.e. 2023, right now, and stop all this ridiculous remoaning? UK have now joined CPTPP, the fastest-growing trade bloc in the world, and not clinging onto an outmoded, inefficient, ineffectual power structure like the EU.
have another turnip les, theres a good chap..
@@kevinwillis6707 Sorry remoaner, got other & better things to do with my time than waste it remoaning 24/7.
..fastest growing trade bloc on the other side of the globe, we are oceans away and several time zones away, its not surprising that it will mean 0.08% on UK GDP in 10 years!! The gravity model is real, we are not in the Indo Pacific, it will always be marginal to the UK even if it outgrows the EU and USA in growth rate!!!
Totally agree, Les. Seven, I mean SEVEN years later, and they're still banging on. If only they'd taken as much time to understand and try to fix the understandable grievances of many, many people in this country, then maybe Brexit wouldn't have been necessary. Let's just get on with it.
@@stephenbarden6121 ,,,,lets just get on with it only means a manged decline. Not that the Tories, who represent the top 20% and the ERG [Party parasitically within a Party] who represent the top 1%, will ever admit it!!
So why did they spend 4 years dealing with the UK both preliminary talks and accession talks? They don't appear to agree with a single thing you are spouting.
You people just churn out WAFFLE.
Brexit is England's greatest mistake and will now end any political union between Scotland/Northern Ireland and England. The UK is finished, and possibly the Monarchy in Scotland as well.
Remind everyone who elected you to speak on behalf of the 35-40% of Scots who voted to leave in 2016?
@@jasonkingshott2971 people change their minds. This could now be 20% or less. Today is different than yesterday and different than tomorrow. People's opinions change especially when their wallets and pockets shrink.
Like all remoaners, he lives in the past & still can't quite get his notions of the future in synchronicity with the here & now.
Scottish independence looks about a decade away.
You might be right, Tom; nevertheless, the SNP doesn't look in great shape at the moment either, does it?
Perhaps we could relocate the Government to Pitcairn Island and sever all communications ?
There are some 50 inhabitants living on Pitcairn island. What have those poor souls done to suffer such a horrible fate of having toxic waste dumped in their Pacific paradise?
@@trident6547 perhaps we could place the 'toxic waste' on a Pycrete barge in the vague vicinity of Pitcairn?
@Trident65 Do you know why Pitcairn islanders have been trying to claim that they're not British (and therefore, UK law shouldn't be enforced on the island) as a legal defence?
Not that I'm a massive fan of punishing the innocent for the wrongdoings of some individuals, but I do think that British police (who are also in charge of processing visa claims) aren't in a hurry to process them due to a certain reputation that the island has.
Count Dankula has made a video about Pitcairn.
I have yet to see any benefits of BREXIT - all creatives that I know have lost huge amounts of work. Tenors on standby out of work. Musicians now unemployable. Touring Europe now a logistical nightmare. one band I know arrived and their equipment was held up in customs so had to cancel. A friend of mine has a partner in France so can now see her 180 days a year. Travel and work in Europe is now much more difficult - the latter impossible. We lost huge subsidies in arts and science - far more than we gained. Where is the upside?
They will soon get gigs in Malaysia and Peru....
Would be interesting to know how many of those musicians and tenors voted to Leave.
Benefits of brexit is like multiplying a number by zero
Where did subsidies come from? The taxpayer my family travel to EU regularly no problems.
@@Buckets1000 I'm traveling this year no problems at all in EU.
Brexit is about a distorted reality: GB believes it was held back by the EU and now, being out, its power will be unleashed, GB put the blame of all its internal problems to the EU, so with Brexit they will all disappear, GB believes that by joining CPTPP the fast developping pace will also GB fast development, etc. The reality is: the UK belongs to the European family (which is a strong and wealthy one), the UK is NOT a locomotive of this union (could become one by solving its problems instead of shifting the blame to others). The EU is certainly not perfect but stands comparison with other unions with flying colors. IT IS NOT AN ECONOMIC UNION BUT AN ALL-INCLUSIVE UNION (yes political too).
I don't think anyone really thinks this latest idea will result in much of substance. It's just a handy thing for Sunak to talk about. The best estimates in terms of impact on growth are very minor.
One cannot form a cohesive union without a legislative framework.
@johnjeanb, you have an over-simplified & thus distorted view of GB & UK, you describe the brexiteer viewpoint but this the view of a very loud minority, it's definitely not a majority view.
I would expect your country has a similar mix, whatever that country is.
EU is a peace project
Remind me what are the EU 'values' and why is Hungary being punished?
From the 'sick man of the EU' to the 'sick man of the CTPPTP' what a progress? 😉🤣🤣
Uwe in Hamburg, I'd call us the "Free man of Europe", not locked into an antidemocratic, authoritarian organisation such as the EU. "Ode to Joy" is its anthem; at least here the EU demonstrates a hitherto undetected flair for irony and satire. I cannot think of anything as joyless, as bureaucratic, as technocratic, as the EU. The fact is it's frightened of its voters, and aims to control and circumscribe in any way possible.
@@stephenbarden6121 The UK is now governed by an antidemocratic, authoritarian organisation called the Tory party, quite an improvement.
@@stephenbarden6121 Let's say you are correct (and you aren't) that the EU is an antidemocratic, authoritarian organisation. The point remains that in the EU the UK not only had a seat at the adult table but help shape and create the rules.
In the CTPPTP the UK is sitting at the kiddie table, has no say whatsoever, no power, and perhaps once in a while you'll be allowed to sing a song or show of your cute little dance you made for grandma before politely be told to shut up and go play with your toys.
Jealous? And it's the CPTPP, incidentally.
@@lesskeels3417 CP whatever, it's on the other side of the world and it has no real positive influence on the UK economy.
I fell so sorry for the young people of the UK whose futures have been destroyed by the brexiteers.
It may be possible to reverse Brexit more quickly than many people fear.
@@federaltrustinteresting claim, but not supported by facts and reality.
First to even reach the stage to apply for EU membership a clear majority of the UK population needs to be convinced of joining the EU again. Don't see that happening within 2 years.
Second comes the evaluation of the EU of they want to even start accession talks with the UK. Another year or so gone.
If positive, the long proces of fulfilling all chapters of accession, of which the UK currently fails half of, on average 5 to 10 years.
Finally, some of the current members might need a referendum for UK accession. Add more time and a possibility of veto(s).
Don't start telling the public that a quick reversing of brexit is possible when nothing says it is. Or reveal the workings of your magic want.
@@federaltrust I am one of the numerous european who were sadened by Brexit, but looking at how it went, It will take a lot of time & effort to regain enough trust to be allowed to apply for membership. The worse was that your PM walked back on each and every word given and threatened consistantly to renegade on international treaties.
@@didiergasser-morlay2417 I'm really glad to read your post. So much hatred towards the British on show in the comments. The whole situation is sad for many of us. My guess is that it will take 10 to 20 years to rejoin. At the moment hatred of the UK is still intense in EU countries and most people in the UK are not serious about going back into the EU.
@@Purple_flower09 The hatred is solely on the UK's side. As a German, I was permanently at the receiving end of it. No, it is sadness and disappointment, not only because that UK has choosen to leave but the attitude during the negotiations and afterwards.
He stated that if they wanted to rejoin the EU they would. Let remind folks that Scotland was constantly told that they couldn't simply join the EU and all member states must agree. Nigel Farages behaviour leaving Brussels left the EU with a bitter taste. Since Brexit the leave voters have constantly ridiculed and shown hate to the EU. Here's this Tory arrogance stating the UK don't need all members agreement just waltz in if they want. They told Salmond the rules so know better. They also said it would take at least 10 years to rejoin.
Brits may not want ‘Singapore on Thames’ but they insist on having their cake and eating it. Disappointment guaranteed!
The issue with the British economy isn't resolved by being in or out of the EU or any other group. It's a problem Brits themselves need to sort. Every trading group around the world has it's own opportunities and disadvantages, but it still comes down to getting things done. In or out of the EU, the UK is falling short of it's own potential.
That's very true, Col Br
The UK economy was stagnant for the last 8 years we were inside the EU. So I agree.
Well, cutting ties with your nearest and greatest trading partner certainly doesn't help the British economy.
Getting things done! -- Now that's a new one. Tell that to the Home Office, Whitehall, the Civil service, the House of Lords and lastly the House of commons
@@LarsPallesen - UK trade with the EU as a percentage of total exports has been declining since 1999. More specifically it has declined from 54% of total exports to 41.7% since to 2016. That is a significant drop which demonstrates that membership of the EU is not an economic benefit . Let alone sufficient grounds to consider further political integration. That really is the issue. You can find it here on page 29 . researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-7851/CBP-7851.pdf
The King is naked
quick get the cameras!
Drowning everywhere, lied to by the tories
You mean EU? How things on continent Is EU down to less than 15% of global GDP now despite expansion from 30% EEC days? Germany has 2 million people visit food banks weekly, France has 7 million people without a refering Doctor, Banks Credit Suisse has been bailed out and Deutsch Bank looks shaky, Poland has a shortage of Truck drivers 100000+, vaccine rollout was a debacle in front of whole world laughing, an ally bombed critical infrastructure Nordstream pipeline and Germany and Sweden both say they know who did it yet EU not a word in protest, astounding.
Yeah, those Brexit lies, whatever happened to Tony Blair, Blair's Liar-in-Chief Alistair Campbell, Blair's, poodle Adonis, Brown, Tory John Major, Clegg, Tory Cameron, Tory Osborne, Brussel's mouthpiece the BBC, the list just keeps giving.
Very informative, one small error tho, the UK cant rejoin the EU whenever it wants, the EU doesnt want the UK back, just too much drama (severely oversimplified).
The mentality here is basicly "good riddance".
The feeling of good riddance is mutual, Tott, believe you me.
@@stephenbarden6121 no it's not
Just look at how far the former Warsaw Pact have come in just a few decades. The EU is far from stagnant.
Those who speak glibly about stagnation in the EU are often simply trading on the ignorance of their listeners.
@@federaltrust The only place In Europe apart from Russia that is in decline is Great Britain.
Northern Ireland is doing better than it has done in years and still the DUP are upset because they did not get a hard border in Ireland.
@@federaltrust So true!
Would Spain have had one of the best train systems in the world without the EU? Would Romania be so busy emancipating its Roma population without the EU? Would Poland not be a junta led fascist state without the EU? All 3 have major beneficial economic impacts but that is really just the smallest part of it.
Soon we will welcome our UK brothers and sisters back and make the lessons from this mess another notch overall on the positive side.
Now in stage 4 of the 7 stages of grief (over the death of the Empire I think) but lets go quickly to stage 5 'The upward turn'. Cheers!
@@Cl0ckcl0ck "Soon we will welcome our UK brothers and sisters back"
Soon as in approx. 20 years a.k.a. a generation?
@@marinusvos How long between the fall of the Warsaw Pact and the first EU-member from it? In the Netherlands we have a saying (which no doubt you know) 'The soup isn't eaten as hot as it is served.'.
If there is honest desire from both parties to have the UK join the EU with all stuff that comes with then it can go much much faster than those 20 years you mention.
But in the long run even 20 years is not that much. Between the Alamo and statehood was also 9 years for Texas for example.
When you are used to privilege equality feels like oppression
Latin America? Just asking.
British goods have disappeared from Spanish shops because of Brexit.
I am very sorry but even if you decide you want to rejoin the european union, it is up the member states whether they would allow you back in.
But wanting to rejoin is an indispensable first step, which more and more people want to take.
Marduk, we don't wish to come back, believe me!! If you wish to tie yourself to an antidemocratic, authoritarian superstate, that's up to you.
@@massivehero4871 Cheers, Massive Hero. Brexiteers have got to see this through; the pro-EU establishment is again trying to tie us back in. Yes, it is like Stockholm Syndrome.
@@federaltrust Of course it is. I am worried when or if the UK applies, some members will be difficult to convince since some actually did benefit by the UK's departure.
All of this (brexit) was so unnecessary.
It's all going to take a very long time. At this point most people in the UK wouldn't be interested in going back once they knew what the price would be. We're at the start of a very long journey and at this point most people in the UK are not on the bus.
I am mildly depressed this afternoon. Just applied for my new passport and the unforgivable fact that it is no longer an EU one. I despise the charlatans who campaigned leave and almost equally despise those who voted for this garbage.
My grandfather was born in 1916, in Co Mayo, Eire. Thank God !
All I have to do is gather the evidence. My own father is very much a Brexiter - and he is an excellent man of even temper, fast to make friends, bright both in mind and hand . About a week ago I, just by the way, mentioned that I am a Remainer, smuggling that bit of info into the conversation whilst he pointed out some advantages of leaving the European Union ( I see few good reasons ). He`s rather a sleuth in ancestry, but my position is made more complex in that there is a mistake in a matter of Births and Deaths in the Registry Office which I must somehow overcome or correct before my application to the Irish Embassy for an Irish Passport. All I have to do now is ask my dad to help me. I`m certain he will, given his character.
@@dogwithwigwamz.7320 My father was a Latvian post war refugee. I tried to get a latvian passport which I am entitled to but was asked for documentation I could not obtain . I spent pushing £1000 and a lot of work but finally hit a bureaucratic wall. I wish you better luck. PS despise for the leave voters is probably too strong but I have every right to be angry at them. My grandchildrens lives are now restricted by this stupidity.
@Barry Jones sounds just like the Gurnos Estate in Merthyr Tydfil. Not a refugee or EU worker within 50 miles.
The dreaded blue! The PO posted back my now cancelled EU passport, so have stuck the cover onto a passport holder and only produce the dreaded blue when essential.
@@Vee-jc1qh Good idea I will do the same.
Which countries are in the CPTPP?
The Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP) is a free trade agreement (FTA) between Australia, Brunei Darussalam, Canada, Chile, Japan, Malaysia, Mexico, Peru, New Zealand, Singapore and Vietnam.
The EU countries are: Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Republic of Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain and Sweden.
It is an accepted economic fact that the further a country is from its trading partners, the more costly it is to do business with those partners.
You work it out.
Yep, Economic Gravity
The Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP) is a ray of light, shining in the faces of the EU and supranationalist armies of doom, daily talking down UK Plc, while never having the decency to read up on the constant societal upheavals rocking France, Germany or Holland and their farmers to name but a few. The EU is in terminal decline, even the former EU Commissioner Cecilia Malmstrom accuses the EU of navel gazing and has since called for Brussels to apply to join CPTPP
@@garyb455 'The EU is in terminal decline' Did you pick up this phrase from Norbert Handermann recently?
So if you look at the EUs top 10 trading partners, 6 of the 10 are outside Europe. I.E. 60%
The top 3 are China, USA, then the UK.
I think it seems nowadays countries and blocs have a whole world viewpoint with respect to trade.
In the past certainly proximity was key, but not any more now robotics and digital services have come to play.
And I think that whole area is changing rapidly at the moment. Maybe a new world order??😮
The growth we experienced in the last 40 years seems to be accelerating almost exponentially. Where will be be in another decade!!! 😃
@@peterclareburt4594 A most thoughtful rebuttal. Thank you. You did not address the amount of the EU's total trade which is internal amongst the member countries, however. This I do not know.
Not true when you said "If we decided to rejoin the EU then we would" It would be up to the EU to decide that.
UK didn't need permission from the other states to leave the EU. But permission to enter the EU is required from all EU countries. I don't see the UK getting that permission in the next few decades. Before that, there are very long negotiations and / or UK will have to swallow a lot of bucks.
Thomas, we don't wish to come back, believe me. Freedom can be a challenge, admittedly; it's also good.
@@stephenbarden6121 Ye ol troll using yet another username.
@@stephenbarden6121 These are really good news. I feared the opposite.
There is a lot of chat about these issues on UA-cam channels but most normal people have no interest in rejoining the EU. Leaving was a bad idea of course but life hasn't really changed much at all.
@@Buckets1000 Michael the possibility of Scottish independence has retreated greatly in the past two weeks. Of course the movement will pick itself up but come the general election many Scots will be severely tempted to give the Tories a kicking. In a decade or two everything will be different and some of the acrimony caused by the brexiters, both inside the UK and in relation to EU member states, will have died down. Sadly for me that timescale means it's unlikely that I will personally enjoy the benefits of EU membership.
England don't dictate rules anywhere...anymore.
Over a financial cliff which will mean more pain and suffering for the poor and disabled people in the uk
The disabled people are suffering as to many eu and British people who can work choose to do 16hr work weeks so they don’t get their benefits cut.
@@terryj50 really?
Are you sure they choosing that?
@@NeilCWCampbell so if the uk is so bad and all the remainers are so smart why are they still here?
Do people not realise that the European Union, will also be making trade deals with the same said pacific countries, albeit from a much stronger position.
The EU already has fta's in place with a majority of them.
Meaning on EU terms, whereas the UK is signing up to whatever is presented in front of them. Probably only to renege on it in 2 months time, NIP-style.
@@Buckets1000 Who bombed Nordstream? Germany and Sweden know who apparently but EU silent.
@@gnrseanra9070 .....tell us Dean.
@@genghisthegreat2034 Well do you think it was six people on a rented boat or yacht? I'm just asking as the amazing EU doesn't want to know or Victoria Nuland and Joe Biden who said they will do.... ??
@@gnrseanra9070 .....all very rhetorical and speculative Dean. Is it possible you know as little as I do about who did it ?
The future is called EU
The Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP) is a ray of light, shining in the faces of the EU and supranationalist armies of doom, daily talking down UK Plc, while never having the decency to read up on the constant societal upheavals rocking France, Germany or Holland and their farmers to name but a few. The EU is in terminal decline, even the former EU Commissioner Cecilia Malmstrom accuses the EU of navel gazing and has since called for Brussels to apply to join CPTPP
@@garyb455 If you have to cling to a little straw, even it can't support you. I have to confess, i'm guilty of feeling a bit satisfied with Britains downfall, after all these Brexit annoyances. In the light of a staunch Brexiteer, the feeling rises up till i laugh. But you can feel save, the Remainers will save the day for you as soon as they take over and normalise relations.
Scotland and NI maybe. We love you
@@garyb455 Do you have any stats to back up your view? Nope. I do.
the future can not be the EU,
Who would have thought it would come to pass. The standard of living in Poland has Improved to such an extent due to EU membership, that it is now higher than in Brexit Britain 😂
Well I wouldn't go overboard, wages are lower and prices lower but still shortages truck drivers over 100000+ and thankfully still the zloty currency as neighbours found out prices go sky high.
When Ireland joined EEC (same day as UK) its GDP/ Capita was 2/3 that of UK. It is now over twice that of UK.
@@olearyma57
Yes, Project Ireland 2040 sounds interesting, in one way or another Ireland has been sold off.
The Irish are gradually losing their homeland, and will end up a stateless nation. This is taking place throughout most of the EU countries. And the UK, with which we are fighting for.
The West being shredded & destroyed is not by accident.
They do work a damn site harder and they have a much higher savings ratio. That recipe can't fail!
@@tonyshaw317 Es tut mir leid. Ich kann nicht diese Fremdsprache nicht verstehen. Veilleicht wir werden uns auf Deutsch unterhalten. Ist 'pidgin' Ihre Einzelsprache oder ? Ich kann auch Franzousich schreiben. 'Pidgin' ist nur fuer Dumkoerper. Are you from Pitcairn Island ?..... I don't understand your dialect of 'Pidgin'. Have you lead a very sheltered life ?. Have you not bemefited from an education. Are you already (without the benefit of EU food standards) eating chlorinated chicken - mental retardation is a known bye product. Are you working (no EU employment laws to protect you) for a bowl of rice a day to compete in the Pacific to enhance the wealth of a prospering and multiplying Chinese middle class ?. Well the aparaciks of that system will love you for keeping then for decades secure in power. The city will already - being strategically aware - be busy aking the stupid English Geezer to the cleaners. But I recognise the inferiority complex to a very rich Republic, Here you know you cross the border into the UK when the very modern motorway dissolves into a 1950s A road. A Geezer (nice bloke you might be outside of this very transparent affliction) with an inferiority complex is a pain in the ass. Anyhow keep flying Dads Airline. Remember Ryanair gets you there on time 90% of the time. Provided you pass the Geezer test for 'pidgin'.
The question is. Does the countries that make up CPTPP want uk to join? We have not heard anything from their side yet. If this is uk negotiating with itself it is beyond embarrassing.
Those who live longest will know most.
If the UK joins, it'll do so accepting all the existing rules and arrangements among the founding members so it'll mostly be a way to open British markets to CPTPP goods without having any legal way to regulate them in any way any more. I suppose the CPTPP countries will be open to that, especially since the UK doesn't really have anything to export anymore that _their_ markets would need.
@@jounik The fantasy is that Britain can export its financil market
@@ausbrum Yeah, but without a sizeable home market to base it on it'll really be exporting the market instead of exporting the services.
@@ausbrum I read James Clavell's Asian Sage too, very exciting for a young teen to read, as an adult I'm not convinced I would want to hang the future of my country on it though.
most important part beginning at 12:50
BEGIN OF QUOTE "I think it's difficult to to depict one
single philosophy of brexit the one of
the problems about it is that it's a
result of a number of different and
sometimes conflicting philosophies
on one philosophy that you talk about is exactly that
Europe is in terminal decline
but the hope is that somehow the UK will be able to save itself
from this um this ship
( I hesitate to talk about rats leaving
sinking ships but certainly that is the idea)
um that somehow the United Kingdom can
isolate itself from the contagion of
Europe now this is all all nonsense and
of course Asia over the coming decades
and centuries is going to play a larger
role in the world's economy
...
... that the British
electorate on the whole wants they they
don't want um Singapore on Thames and I
think that as it has become clear that
for some of the Advocates of brexit that
was the the all and end-all of brexit in
order to clear the way for a more
radical Market liberal uh model of
society in the United Kingdom um so the
popularity of brexit has declined"
END OF QUOTE
IMHO Seen from the continent the paradoxies were evident
and many Europeans and Britons living in Europe wanted to warn
but hadn't given a voice in the discussion.
And here is the thing: AS LONG AS the UK Is unable to have an adult
conversation with itself we Europeans do not want them any longer in the EU!
regardless of net benefit or loss.
You have to find Your democracy again, it had been lost.
The downfall will continue as long as there is no consensus reached
WHICH Brexit the majority wants!
The only possible basis of consensus for the UK is to rejoin the EU as fully committed members. Any other agenda will always fall apart through its internal contradictions.
Dont say united kingdon this is all on little england and wales. Scots and NI'ish voted against leaving.
The disruptive narcissistic character of British hubris has not been missed much in the EU since BREXIT but it has made opportunities for Hungary´s V. Orban to get onto the pages of the color-illustrated boulevard press as the outlier instead of Boris Johnson.
Yes, Joel, UK voters electing a government, then expecting them to carry out those commitments without interference from the basically appointed and the unelected EU bureaucracy. Wow, the sheer hubris and arrogance of it!!
@@stephenbarden6121 ....as equalled by the unelected Lord Frost for one, and even though he was essentially talking to our Civil Service equivalents in the EU Commission, so what you are saying illustrates the ignorance of the EU by Brexiteers, or rather their willful ignorance of it! All bureaucrats are UNELECTED within the EU or the UK!! The EU Council is composed of ELECTED officials and they reported the outcome of the EU-UK negations undertaken by the EU's Civic Service equivalent to the ELECTED MEPs for DEMOCRATIC voting in a PR Parliament!!!!
@@stephenbarden6121 Ye ol troll using yet another username. He has used three different usernames so far on this post.
@@bryangeake5826Bryan, the European Parliament has no ability to propose new legislation; yes, you're correct to say that all officials are bureaucrats. In the UK, civil servants(supposedly?) carry out the policies proposed and passed in parliament by elected politicians. That's what General Elections are for; to ensure that the executive is run by elected parliamentarians. In the EU, the parliament debates policies proposed by appointed, not elected, politicians and officials; that is the difference. The European parliament, the elected part of its constitution, has No powers whatsoever to propose new legislation. UK bureaucrats don't propose policy; they act upon policies proposed by the elected politicians. If we don't like these policies, or the competence of the politicians running the government, they can be removed. Good luck with trying to remove EU bureaucrats; let's just say that their accountability to the actual voters is a little on the non-existent side, to put it mildly. I like the way pro-EU supporters always harangue this government; I don't like them much either, but at least we can remove them, can't we? Far from being able to remove their EU equivalents-actually superiors if you're in the EU, as its laws take precedence over member countries' law- most of us don't even though who they are, what their qualifications for the job are, etc. I'm sorry, Bryan, but it's a racket- Empire building by another means, by a control- freak organisation scared of its own voters. I prefer real democracy, not the fake imitation dreamed up by the European Union and its supporters.
@@stephenbarden6121 That is a complete mischaracterisation of the EU, how it works and that accountability there is!! I will respond further when I have more time. But a racket it is not, a regulated alliance it is, and while not a state it has to have law that all agree too, so its not an imposition, it is what we agree to ratify by elected MEPs in the PR EU Parliament that holds all the power!!
Is the only benefit to the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership is that the offshore accounts of tax evaders will be able to remain in the UK and their money in the stockpiles as an insult to working Brits.
The ratio of working Brits to offshore accounts tax evaders is going down and has been going down for a long time, Dam. As long as you allow Russian oligarchs, African dictator clans and Arab drug smugglers free access to the UK money laundromat you are *Üucked...
I have no problems with foreigners, but i accept that some are a bit more special than others...
The only thing this agreement will deliver is a few gallons of subsidised palm oil. What a shower of fantasists, I bet these guys can find a positive argument for the DUP stance.
Just off the Great Pacific garbage patch.
The great promises the dumb fell for🎉🎉🎉
New Land rover All electric to be built in France by pro leave supporter Sir Jim Radcliffe. As with the petrol diesel ones which Bridgend was hoping to make in the ready made for it former Ford Factory. Thanks Sir Jim for that show of loyalty in supporting British manufacturing and Britain . Questions must be asked.
Radcliffe's vehicle is not a Land Rover.
@@Purple_flower09 correct but my point was location of production and I hear landrover as a vehicle name has been dropped
@@Purple_flower09 Grenadier thanks for reminding me.
@@brubeker12 I agree with your point about some leading brexiteers taking their business abroad though.
And sadly the actual new Land Rover is being built in Slovakia.
@@Purple_flower09 is that the Grenadier Sir Jim Radcliffes project
Ruling class in UK just cannot tolerate being part of a foreign group
And now joins a foreign group of people on the other side of the planet
@@ab-ym3bf Indeed how long until they quit
@@Arckitekt indeed. Won't take long before the "we never gave consent" lines will start popping up the moment the UK is flooded with either imported crap or ISDS cases
Can see who the racists are and they are not brexiteers
Where are we going ? you say . Anywhere as long it"s away from the fly ridden mainland Europe we know and love - thanks ! .
People in the UK keep calling it the CPTPP - which shows that they have no idea about it. Yes, that is the current official name, but we all spent 8 years calling it by its old name (when the US was going to join) - the TPP. It was discussed for 8 years because there was a lot of discussion and negotiation required (each nation had to give up various advantages), so we got used to calling it the TPP, which is much easier anyway.
Initially before expansion it was the TPSEP
Trans-Pacific Strategic Economic Partnership Agreement
Which was an agreement between MZ, SG, Brunei and Chile.
This was back in 2005, which is an indication of how stupid this man.sounds when he is spouting two years and a few months after the Brexit Transition, th at the UK has not yet got a whole lot if trade deals. Either this man is lying, I.E. Trying to mislead people, or he has no idea about the complexity of trade deals. If he did, then objectively one would have to say the UK is doing quite well all things considered.
I think he is deliberately trying to mislead what do you think?
Like suvrenty to give up ?
@@nicodesmidt4034 Yes, it is required. Any society requires its members to give up freedoms in order to function - the only alternative is to go live by yourself in the forest.
Are all the English relocating to their island in the pacific?
follow the growth and power.... EU is dead
There's always hope.
@@deehaytch8442 Oh my God. On Pitcairn Island they run two chickens around the yard to live. Acquisition of a third chicken generates an economic growth rate of 50%. Acquisition of a piglet generates a growth rate of over 1000%. The economic ignorance of some people is not a joke. The eagerness to muscle into the parlour when not even invited by the spider is pityable.
They can’t decide to sail Great Britain on the Atlantic to America or to the Pacific towards Asia. Hard choice.
@@RealConstructor and that is only the decision proces. Let's not even begin to laugh at, sorry, talk about the operational proces.
No Brexit is not falling apart. We wanted control of our laws and constitutional law back. The Tories did not deliver Brexit: they delivered, with the help of parliament, a terrible form of BRINO. a withdrawal agreement like a ball and chain, and stitching up Northern Ireland. It is NOT fantasy thinking to be a completely independent nation, and the losses you assert are exaggerated to the extreme
The UK dumped it's biggest trading partner. For what? Some stupid concept of sovereignty. What sovereignty? The US deal was a joke! The Pacific partnership still requires meeting pre-existing conditions in the same way as the EU. The toffs in their London bubble, think the UK alone has world influence. We are now a gnats fart in the scheme of things.
When was the referendum to join this new club?
So when will we see the benefits you say we are going to see.
Don't like my comment is it? It must have hit a raw nerve. It has been deleted twice now, no foul language, no swearing, no racism, just a bit of dry humour/sarcasm, but apparently someone must have taken issue with it. More like got it's knickers in a twist hehe
Down the rabbit hole to join Alice in her search for unicorns
We need to ensure that only brexit voters bear the burden of brexit
That is pathetic, it is like saying only those that voted for a government that messes up, should be held accountable. Instead of listening to this bias trash why not take a look at the good things to come out of Brexit. It took 40 plus years to get where we were within the EU, and we are only just beginning to sort out all the red tape the EU are so good at creating. Don't forget, also the EU have shown their true colours towards us with all their threats, especially France. These people are just dreaming if they think we would rejoin. If these depressed, defeatist remainers continue to obstruct Brexit, then when we are back on track and doing well, perhaps they should bear the burden of their resentment towards their own countrymen and women. Personally I am sick of hearing their whinging and wining, it has been going on for years like a nagging wife.
Yes, now repatriate the Muslims and get the English in charge of England.
Aww lots of salty brexit gammon tears
What a clown!
Eventually it will be revealed that the emperor has no clothes.
And there will be a complex arduous task to get back to some sort of normalcy.
Good video enjoyed it very much.
UK have to fallow their rule
its rules the UK make, and rules which are already aligned with the UK..
You really don’t have a clue WTF you’re talking about do you 🙄
I guess the Brexit honeymoon period is coming to an end, and the stark reality is descending; who can we volunteer as scapegoats for the self-inflicted disaster, which it seems will only get worst with time.
Admit it you are confused about where the sun goes at night arnt you
Get out more. Nobody has noticed it child.