Is it because of the 8580 or because of the music style, but when I watch this oscilloscope waves it looks distinctively different then the other,older SID tunes. Nevertheless I love watching those oscilloscope waves. It always adds some hypnotic effect to the tunes. 😃
@@acrouzet assuming your composing and running through a software solution on modern hardware, how well would this work on original hardware. Of course the two chips didn’t exist in the same computer at the same time.
@@jbponzi1 there's actually a number of dual-SID mods available for the original hardware - you can make a stereo effect with two of the same chips, or have both chips installed at once (with some voltage regulation etc in the mod board of course) to pick and choose between them :)
@@jammerc64 I'd like to know more of those tricks as far I've seen the 6581 could do decent guitars by using filtering on PWM and there's the 4th channel bug as well what other tricks does the 8580 have?
@@ssg-eggunner just listen to modern SID tunes. Few people use 4bit samples using $d418 output nowadays (and they do mostly for nostalgy reason) because there's 8bit playback relying on triangle waveform restart which can additionally be filtered. Also 8580 filter cutoff can get much lower than any 6581 revision to produce really deep subs. This also helps with achieving juicy snare sounds of characteristics out of 6581 reach. 8580 can produce great guitars with $55 (combined square+triangle and ring modulation) but that's possible on 6581 as well.
@@ssg-eggunner it uses regular oscillator so channel is sacrificed (however with more elaborate player you could use same channel for synth and digis interchangeably).
Of course he's from multistyle labs. OF COURSE.
Lots of cool sounds in this track
Is it because of the 8580 or because of the music style, but when I watch this oscilloscope waves it looks distinctively different then the other,older SID tunes.
Nevertheless I love watching those oscilloscope waves. It always adds some hypnotic effect to the tunes. 😃
Both, really. Composers have really started to push the filters on the 8580 more in recent years.
@@acrouzet assuming your composing and running through a software solution on modern hardware, how well would this work on original hardware. Of course the two chips didn’t exist in the same computer at the same time.
@@jbponzi1 there's actually a number of dual-SID mods available for the original hardware - you can make a stereo effect with two of the same chips, or have both chips installed at once (with some voltage regulation etc in the mod board of course) to pick and choose between them :)
This song doesn't use 2 SID chips though, as you can see by the number of channels in the oscilloscope view.
@@acrouzet good point. 🤦♂️
How did he even
I'm in genuine disbelief someone actually managed to make 8580 sound good
how would this sound in 6581?
What?! 8580 is superior in almost every aspect and allows for far more tricks (especially filtering) than 6581 would ;)
@@jammerc64 I'd like to know more of those tricks
as far I've seen the 6581 could do decent guitars by using filtering on PWM and there's the 4th channel bug as well
what other tricks does the 8580 have?
@@ssg-eggunner just listen to modern SID tunes. Few people use 4bit samples using $d418 output nowadays (and they do mostly for nostalgy reason) because there's 8bit playback relying on triangle waveform restart which can additionally be filtered. Also 8580 filter cutoff can get much lower than any 6581 revision to produce really deep subs. This also helps with achieving juicy snare sounds of characteristics out of 6581 reach. 8580 can produce great guitars with $55 (combined square+triangle and ring modulation) but that's possible on 6581 as well.
@@jammerc64 that's very neat
is 8bit playback a separate "channel" on the same way 4bit is?
Or does it require sacrificing a channel?
@@ssg-eggunner it uses regular oscillator so channel is sacrificed (however with more elaborate player you could use same channel for synth and digis interchangeably).
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