LS | Coaching A Grandmaster Kled Player
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- Опубліковано 14 жов 2024
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THANK YOU LS, YOU HAVE ANSWERED MY PRAYERS FOR COACHING VIDEOS
I NEVER KNEW HOW MUCH MY BALLSACK NEEDED THIS
wideduckass
HAHAHAHA yes beautiful
Iiioopp😊pp
Im so happy he's back to his roots
the silver kayle days
Is he going to address how completely wrong he was about 100T? I swear LS is incompetent but convinced a bunch of cry babies he knows what he is doing lmao
@@Suge67 what did he say about 100T i really dont know (not ironic/sarcastic)?
@@Suge67 what did he say?
@@Suge67 only diff is he is a known streamer and your nobody so noone cares what u say.
This is amazing content, both educationaly and the fact that Jones is super funny as a person. Loved it!
I would love to see LS coach a full team.
Mostly I'm still salty he got booted from C9 so quickly and we didn't get to see the full mad scientist comps.
he got booted from 5 or 6 teams within a month of joining lmao
This is like the best news i've had in a while, i missed coaching vids from my favorite coach ;-;
Fun video! If its possible could you upload more of these?
just because you asked we won't upload coaching ever again wideduckass
He has them on Patreon, I think the idea is to put out very few of these as a sneak peek, if you like these you should consider supporting him on Patreon
gorillajones is the GOAT of solo ruining every game he plays
best take from this video is control wards, so many people go into depression over losing a cannon and then they dont give a single fk if they 4fun buy a control ward and let the enemy kill it or just buy it for no reason
Similarly how people go into depression over enemy mid doing coin flip roams on side lanes while sacrificing 2-3 minion waves and 1-2 plates on mid, not realizing they literally lost more than they gained with that roam.
@@MrMrtvozornik I wish bot lanes understood this more, in low elo they're ready to /ff as soon as they get ganked once and call it jg/mid diff
@@SUPERLUMINAL_87 you can deduce if the enemy laners are susceptible to roams halfway there. If they let you do it and your teammate is a wincon, giving a wave or two is not the end of the world.
Back to his roots, I'm awaiting mtg comparisons that the player doesn't understand
We have a high demand for videos from coaching sessions here
Really cool video to watch. I've played on and off for over 10 years, and especially the point on where the mouse is, is something that I think I subconsciously picked up on when the game was in a slower pace but not on a conscious level. The point on wards also hit home too as an over-pink enjoyer xD That's even going beyond the layering things, which definetely curb a bit of the overaggressive style where "I have to do everything at all points in time" I've always enjoyed misdirecting by facing my champion away in order to throw skillshots behind me where I "wasn't paying attention" so it's nice to know that exists on an even deeper level. Really makes me want to start playing again; although I'd have to adapt to the the more measured modern style.
Super interesting watch. Would be interested what his advice is for more analytical styles, probably just basics basics basics, but I've always had two styles so it's been hard to ever manage them...
immediately asks to turn off shadows
Because hes the last shadow
Good to know masters players also do the classic "failed tier 3 push into losing baron" that I see in my silver games.
i am absolutely flabbergasted thank you mr. shadow for this video!
Why would anyone get a coaching session with LS when for only $100 more you can get one with Neace, the absolute GOAT? /s
Pog youtube league content... Never forgets the legend silver kayle
The jones factor😊
Not a $350 session based
Holy shit I think I learned so much from this
Really nice to see coaching content!!
turn off shadows because he is the LAST shadow
Regarding the comments about vision, I think on assassin champions like zoe(especially zoe), zed, talon, qiyana any vision is good vision (assuming of course enemy team are likely to walk through it) for pick opportunities regardless of how ahead you are and to minimize you or your team getting caught. Even in the case of control wards, zoe can contest them over walls which creates space. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
My reason in saying this is, even if we are ahead or even, playing without vision feels incredibly constrictive at least on zoe especially since she can be punished very easily if positioned incorrectly
True but also in solid half of the times you should extrapolate where their vision or potential vision is depending on movement of their support, in which case sweeper does just as much even more than a pink. Also, as long as there's reason, LS isnt against it. Ofc if you play a poke champ like Varus and you prep for drake extra pink can go long way to completely darken out your projectiles making them harder to dodge.
Man this guy hates pink wards!
Do more of this costreams are fun but only if you haven't already watched the game
Don't control wards have a purpose there? While the enemy might know that you are on dragon anyway, they don't know the exact position of every champ in the pit and who exactly is in the pit, enabling someone of your team to flank maybe. Also, if you don't have to use sweeper to clear the pit, you can use it afterwards to clear the jungle, right? Im not a high level player but I feel like in that case a control-ward is good. (referring to 17:50 and the following dragon fight)
This is the problem that LS identifies. If you don't have a specifc spot or plan to use that ward, you will autopilot chuck it in a random shit spot, and waste that gold. If you can make more value than 75 gold for every control ward you by then you should buy it every time, but very little people, even pros, know exactly how to use it well
@@deejaydee1578 Yeah I know but at that time stamp he specifically sad that there is no reason to buy it but I feel like there is (In that specific case).
@@emptyptr9401 common sense would say the wards in the pit can be handled by the support. but im not gm so i could be wrong.
@@travistravis8463 Yeah ofc only one, maybe 2 if you also want to ward river-bush, team members have to buy one. But its soloq so... yeah... Ull probably have to biy one yourself
@@emptyptr9401 He has sweeper and can clear the pit of wards. If they drag the dragon out of pit, any further wards that they put from behind pit would not spot the dragon even without the pink ward. If they decide to fight them in river, not having vision wouldn't affect that decision. I.e buying a pink ward serves no purpose there.
"Should I sell doran's for 1 or 2 control wards"
"WHAAT??"
XDD
I too have been waiting for this session :)
Food for thought. In terms of raw numbers, a control ward that exclusively clears 2 wards gives it value. The caveat is whether a player with a sweeper is coming through, or its likely to go on cooldown when the enemy team re-wards important areas. What defines an "important area" is relative to the champions in the game, but lets get more fundamental.
Whats the point of vision? It places an enemy champion on a specific point in the map, reveals their current items, possibly catch them using a crucial ability that can be taken advantage of. Regular wards offer this, and are invisible, but they expire, and can be destroyed in 3 or 1 hit (considering umbral glaive or chemtech scryers). Control wards are not invisible but take longer to destroy, and again depending on the champions in the game if they have fast auto resets or high attack speed then that point can be irrelevant.
Back to the point about exact enemy location though, if you dont see an enemy, you can still know where they are, and this works both ways. If theres a dragon fight and you're blue side, and lost control of the river, you can guess the enemy has 5 players in the river or the pit, probably 1 in the pixel brush that will get bullied out if 5 players approach, again subject to variation if its a 25 stack mejai diana vs 5 flashless Miss Fortunes, but as the team enters towards the pit, player vision is all thats needed, and as such, theres no reason to buy control wards if you're red team.... EXCEPT, if theres threat of a flank. The Control ward can then clear the ward they would use, or see the flank coming and that champion needs to spend time clearing the ward, or is focussed on the players that they dont even see the ward, or walk past the bush with the ward inside it. Again this can be achieved with regular wards however.
Outside of this context they can be useful at baiting for a pick on whoever tries to clear them, which is contingent on having champions that can effectively collapse on them, and for those champions to be effective in the area. An ashe arrows from halfway across the map has more or less as much effect as an Elise within 2 E ranges. The alternative for the player trying to clear the ward is to run away, as they probably should if theyre in such a position considering the gamestate...
So it seems to me in the grand scheme of things that a control ward fills the role of being a perpetual sweeping lens which gets value out of showing 2 wards to get cleared, and to prevent surprise flanking, which is to say that theyre useful in spots where trinkets are necessary for elsewhere. One niche scenario i can think of is when a champion or multiple champions with blue or red trinket are fighting an enemy champion that uses bushes and the bush needs to be warded or things get more difficult.
Personally i subscribe to the "one and done" method of placing a control ward behind the frontline of the map. By default this would be one layer of bushes behind the river, obviously depending on champions and winning/losing matchups that changes, and changes further if youre head or behind. Buying control wards when behind is a trap, you lose gold, and have so little control of where youre allowed to be on the map that you jsut end up offering the enemy team a net gain of 100gold with each purchase, gold that you need as a team thats behind for items for fights that you need to take such as baron or dragon soul. There is anothere niche scenario again where it can be used to bait an over-extension of a team thats ahead and get critical shutdown gold, but depending on the level of play (which looking at current pro play we're still not there yet) hoping for a mistake of the enemy on something so simple is more often than not just going to be bad odds, which then comes into the point of "if the game is a 90% chance to lose, and you have the opportunity to take a 50-50, then take it". However you have to then weigh up a net loss of 100gold with the control ward in exchange for a shutdown kill of 300+ gold, vs 100gold of potential item stats for later fights. Conversely if your team is ahead id say control wards have more value since its easier to jump on overextention of the defending team, and it prevents sneaking jungle camps, however with good macro to not get 5 man fiddle ulted over a wall like a bunch of morons this is kind of irrelevant.
Oh wow exciting, I was not expecting to see this in my feed today
Let's goo sir kled that's how you know he isn't there to win
LS saying look bot look top (to check the waves), i feel like you dont actually have to move your camera there to see that its 20 blue vs 3 red minions, you see that from the minimap
I died laughing at 7:00 when he said "shit" or w/e in Korean. XD
When I saw GM kled player I thought of kledula LOL
There's no way this guy just asked LAST FREAKING SHADOW if he should sell his dblade for double pink ward XDDD
would love to have links to the vod with timestamp in the description on these videos nice if i want to continue watching :D
Control ward gives you vision where the enemy is/isn't, prevents vision of enemy team, gives an area of approach without enemy knowledge, provides team with wider area of knowledge . . . I think control wards are OP )
Love the coaching vids
Is turning off shadows really a big deal?
It's poorly optimized and tanks your fps no matter how good you setup is. Also it serves no purpose gameplay wise.
@@firelynx1266 Ok, I don't really need any more than 240 fps, and it looks good, so I think I'll keep playing with it.
Hey los it’s everyone
bro he said minions will crash at 10:01. so hard to fathom this high caliber level of league :O
Can't tell if sarcasm or not..
I only ever buy one Control ward in my games and I keep it in my pocket until there's a moment where I don't have vision in a bush and losing vision might cost me a kill
yeah idk what his point was always no matter what vision can help your whole team
@@dreadnarco9546 most vision when you are ahead isn't needed. People just use to feel better about not having to look at the fog of war. Even in my case, I might never find use for it but at least in my case I can sell it and get like 20 gold back or whatever
Wtf why turn off shadows doesn't even explain why???
Why does LS ask him to turn off shadows?
because shadows do nothing other than obscure the position of enemy and ally champions since champion hitboxes begin at the champions feet. So if someone's feet are even slightly harder to see it can make landing or dodging skillshots more difficult
cause its not doing anything , but maybe impact your fps at teamfights
so even if he has no problem letting them on its not gonna help or do anything
Because he's autistic
Rehashing the point, excess pointless visual information, as well as FPS drop. Does not improve clarity and honestly I have no idea why Riot has them still.
I appreciate this video
"im better than most of the top laners there"
- immediately tunnel visions on his own lane and just afk cameras
So the thing with the control wards , if it was say an even game or even a game where were behind, would that then warrant the control ward?
thats not why u buy control wards, you buy one when you need to fight for something, the reason to buy control ward should do something related to an outcome of the game, like he said he is stronger therefore there really should never be a reason to get it. You can buy one when you maybe lose a fight and need to regain control over an area. E.g. flip objectives
Please more coaching videos!
why should you turn shadows off ?
Is there a reason he wants shadows off so bad?
thank you for the video!! :DDDD
This is why I feel like I'll never get better at this game, when he is telling him early to push the wave and get a reset, I don't understand it. Is it because he is low health? Or what? And do you do that every time or what?
LS, aka "No Shadows"
Hey LS, it’s everyone
What a nice surprise to wake up to.
Pls do ADC coaching next
But it IS SHAKE-OH. Even the official Riot spotlight says it like that.
LS the GOAT
LS gets trolled 1,000 LP challenger.
i cant watch this guy's gamestate awareness wtf hes a top laner asking elementary splitpush questions
"should i overextend so they can collapse on me while i have 2k gold on me?"
"i like to take red lol its so satisfying to kill wards lol moneyyyyy"
Wish I could afford one of these XDD
I love you ls!!
Ah yes the guy who ruined his career because he ran it down mid in a showmatch and got kicked off his team
LMFAO
why turn off shadows?
less stuff on screen, easier to see hitboxes (feet outline)
Did he tell him to turn of shadows because his name is last shadow? I feel like people only do that out of habbit because their shit PC back in the day couldnt handle it.
tbh from the way he plays it looks like his kled mechanics are still mad rusty compared to feedaboi and soulmario... he was chucking out qs from so far away that would never fully realise an attach
He looked fine. Prob first game of day for him. He’s a great player
yo that malzahar is cracked
IM GENUINELY SO HAPPY I wish it wasnt Kled tho
I wanna know how much this guy paid for this 1 hour session
$200
350
This kled player kinda cute ngl
Locked camera makes me feel sick ngl
People really over use pinks.
Looks like Gold EUW.. dosnt know when to take top turret, when to push, when to base when to roam, what executioner numbers show etc wtf
30:48 sounds p sus
Cool educational content but man do I feel bad for people getting coached. I feel like it'd be relevant to point out what the person is doing good too more often, like it just feels like a non-stop wave of negative stuff so it must be lowkey exhausting to get coached like this, saying this as someone who received lots of coaching and who's completely aware that you need to question yourself and be ready to accept critic in a coaching session. I feel like it's your responsability as a coachto not make the person feel like they're doing everything wrong but maybe that's just me. Obviously you're not THAT negative and you're even weaving jokes and all so it's all good but it was just a thought, thanks for sharing coaching for free and much love :)
I mean when I'm getting coached I want to hear the bad stuff they think I'm doing; I don't really care as much as the good. To each their own I suppose.
@@LegionaireSoar No of course it's the most important part but I think there's a way of putting it and some coaches kinda shock me the way they're so dry with their students/clients, like outside of the information given it's kind of an attitude/tone issue to the point where some (not LS in particular) can feel condescending
I like all the condescending backseater in chat talking as if they don't peak gold.
GORILLA JONES
Can't believe this is grandmaster.
it was masters
The difference between Challenger and Master is bigger than the difference between Master and Bronze.
LS you going to address how wrong you were about 100T?
Oh and Neace....boy been taking Ls lmaoooooo
@@Suge67 neace 🤣🤣🤣🤣
100T doesn't look good wdym??
Shaco also shouldnt build Demonic XD
350$
Hey ls it's me not ls
Does this guy really think that he is good? Thats so sad.
hes so full of himself wtf
Grandmaster kled has worse camera control than a bronze korean. Jesus christ NA kekw
game is so ugly without shadows sorry last shadow i will not be turning them off
SAY SHACO PROPERLY I CANT WATCH IT
Selfmade! LMAO
this guy on kled is so clueless bro , na players am i right
Honestly I wanna see ls coach some newer or lower elo players who genuinely wanna improve and listen. Coaching high elos hes barely fine tuning them he may as well just give them a paper with some notes on it.
This is high Elo coaching for high Elo players. You can go watch NEACE or something if you wanna learn basics.
Internet is full of information. It's waste of time and money for newer players to pay for coachings.
@@abcdefghilihgfedcba hell no I dont wanna watch neace. I dont want to learn the basics I want to see how ls coaches someone who isnt already a half full cup. Also I think it would be good for his mental health. Watching him teaching a kid who is new at the game and see him soak up pure wisdom from someone from ls would be a good time for everyone.
I'm saying I want to see ls coaching newer players. Not for bronze subwars content but actual coaching and seeing how he can teach someone from scratch or someone open to learning rather than the usual teaching bad solo que habits. That's what it comes down to is ls coaching here is him helping a veteran undo bad habits. I want to see how he helps someone build good habits in the first place. Most of his coaching content is trying to undo bad habits so I want to see the process done in reverse. I've never seen him actually overhead piloting someone where the mentee is responsive and ls doesnt have to try to put a leash around his neck and reign his behavior.
He refuses to coach low elo.
Also according to his audience he shouldn't be coaching gm cause he's only diamond.
Same standards, complain with those who set them very loudly on other channels.
@@AmisThysia I mean part of that is ls in patience and desire for control. He has to accept the individuality of the other person and let him learn on his terms. With these high elo vets it's already been established they're dumb and you're here to undo their bad habits.
And we can see how it didnt work with max Waldo of he trained a yes man clone of himself and we get videos of ls making fun of c9 drafts as if his protege learned nothing. You cant make a good type b player who just gets data downloaded into his brain by you. You have to seed him on the right path and then let him develop on his own. Like if ls solves that missing piece combined with his game knowledge he could be a talent cultivator on a level the worlds never seen. And it needs to be someone like him. You cant erase player individuality without making them mediocre bots at the same time.
Not liking the debate is likely childhood trauma and given his family dysfunction and his obsession with being right and accurate and not being misinterpreted well, nuff said. If its right the ideas stand. If the player isnt sure or disagrees "try it and find out". Othereise u end up with brain dead bots or locked in an ego pushing match. if a player is paying to argue then smile and laugh because hed paying to argue and not to improve, but you gotta respect their intelligence to not just look at them as some lemming with no sentience.
Im better at kled and im d1 eune
Neace is the better coach
NA Grandmaster looks like diamond 2 EUW at most my eyes
That what low elo player say. There not that much of a diff.
Ong what the fuck is that macro
they looks like lcs team for not gonna lie Clueless
That's just gorilla Jones I fear
This kled is much smarter than any D2 player you can find in EUW
first
how do you think ur even qualified to coach this guy... for 200 dollars coached by someone who need's to abuse duo to get out of diamond ? that's crazy
Ignite top 🤮
grandmaster not microoptimizing haHAAAA
ey, my one dude in league scene i hate
any hate watchers?
diamond stuck coaching grandmaster the irony
You cant be serious right?
Korea diamond
Coaching a player when you're even worse at the game L00000l, KEK.
You'll be surprised to find out generally not a single coach is better than their players in Pro League (maybe Nukeduck ~ Bjergsen)
Are Grabbz, Dylan Falco, Yamato etc. trash because they dont play better than their players?
From this stupid comment we can guess your elo.
@@the_beemer veigarv2 was omega high challenger too right?
i missed this