Canada has more doctors than ever, so why can’t you get one?
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- Опубліковано 25 вер 2024
- Alykhan Abdulla has been a doctor in Ottawa for three decades. He invites CBC Ottawa’s Omar Dabaghi-Pacheco into his practice for a day to observe how he manages the workload and burnout that comes with being a family physician in 2023.
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I'm a family doctor in Canada and this is very accurate. Hope people can see this and not feel offended when I cannot address all of their issues in one visit.
Thank you for what you do!
I wanted to go to medical school and become a family doctor, but before I managed to get accepted I had an accident and cannot work. I am very grateful that I have a family doctor because I am now one of those complex patents. I know she cares, and I see how hard she works. I hope she doesn’t burn out. I hope you don’t burn out either.
I make a point of making it as easy on my family doctor as possible. "I have these symptoms, I need..." He's often showing signs of burnout
Loots lie its most an admin and economic problem.
Why dont doctors want to hire more and proper admin staff to help with the work.?
Became both you and the government are both cheap.
Doctors want to retain as much money as possible, while the government doesn't want to spend more.
@@zochbuppet448 Did you consider that these doctors can't afford to hire more staff? Contrary to popular belief, not all doctors (but especially not family doctors), are rolling in cash. They mentioned in the video the amount of overhead costs a family doctor can incur: rent on their offices, salaries for their critical staff, utilities, insurances. And if they are under fee-for-service compensation they aren't guaranteed a salary. If it was as simple as hiring more staff do you think the doctor in this video would spend time mopping the floors himself after a 14 hour work day?
I was ill for sometime no family doctor, was employed with a full time job with benefits; I felt more sick and gave my notice. No energy to apply for medical, disability or anything used all my savings 18,000K and later applied for disability.
Finally it was diagnosis when I was out and collapsed have a pacemaker now. No family doctor for almost 15 years.
What a fantastic doctor. We need 10,000 of him
According to the video, only 25% of family doctors are allowed to work like this, in a team based environment. The remaining 75% of doctors are fee for service, which is arguably much more stressful and leaves less time for patients. This video is showing the best of the best for family medicine, when the problem is the 75% who are NOT ALLOWED to practice medicine like this, even if they wanted to.
There are that amount of doctors in Canada. If you are telling people here there is a shortage of doctors. If you telling people many doctors not professional then customers need to file a complaint to the cops and have them investigated. If you telling people that you looking for doctors who are friendly as him, then you must go to every doctor and take a look to see if they are friendly. If they are rude, you can file a complaint for authorities to investigate
My Dad used to say if Dr. has a positive attitude towards his patients it heals half of the illness already just by meeting such Dr. Which this Dr. Definitely has.
that's crazy talk.
@@edhutch8946 Not really, it has some truth in it
Good bedside manner is certainly a boon, but competent skills are ultimately more important and should not be superceded.
I've had to deal with too many doctors throughout my life and you are 100% correct. Best doctor I ever had was incredibly positive and was a big advocate for laughter as the best medicine. He was so right in a much deeper level that I had no idea of at that time. I knew it was important and now I know laughter is vital to when in good and/or poor health. Something that's always helpful to be reminded of too. Thank you Mohammad Sheeraz!
Disagree. Without a positive manner, few patients will actually listen to even the most highly skilled doctor because a lousy attitude is very distracting when compassion and empathy is vital to and highly expected from a doctor for good and important reasons. A doctor's knowledge, skill and positivity is vital to everyone's mental and physical health because it's all connected. A skilled doctor with poor bedside manners is like telling someone you've figured out they have a curable disease but now it's ok to go jump off that bridge.
What an amazing doctor. May GOD Bless this man and give him strength daily.
The 20 minutes this doctor has for each patient isn't just for consultation. The doctor also has to write any required prescriptions, manage any requisitions, referrals and paperwork, as well as complete all medical notes. In 20 minutes.
most don't have 20 mins, mine family doctor is so packed with schedule it's 2 question and 10 min max until admin knock on door
@@littlebear6496 wtf? No wonder the canadian health care system is so bad. I went to my PCP recently for a minor issue and spent way longer than that. I spent 15 minutes with a nurse where we were chatting away while doing the routine stuff. Spent another 45 minutes with the doctor. Spent a lot of time talking about our families and the local schools because his kids are going to high school this year and he wanted to know how my experience was. Also spent time talking about work and other life things. And when I saw a pediatrician, we'd spend even longer talking. He had been my family doctor for 20 years, so he knew everything about me. We'd talk a lot about his job as a lecturer/professor at HMS. He even told me about all the best restaurants and bars around campus. I think I was one of his last patients because by the time I aged out, he was already in his mid-seventies and only came to the office for our appointments.
The financial incentive for become a family doctor needs to increase. They earn a lot less for the amount of work and have a lot more responsibility when compared to many other medical specialties.
This doctor is humble and genuine; he has a realistic view of the healthcare system, yet he still has the passion for caring about his patients. Thank you for this video. It takes away the glamour and highlights the serious need to improve our healthcare system.
THIS is a video (in Canada) that is long overdue. Our aging population pitted against a lower number of family doctors that are manning the "front lines" is a serious train wreck waiting to happen. Stay safe, stay healthy (or aim to be such) and be well!
It's a train wreck that has been coming in slow motion for decades. We're already at the point where the engine & first few cars have collided with the giant rock in the tracks & most of the people who aren't directly effected still think we have time.
@@jeffreyquinn3820 Started with the Mike Harris government in Ontario and his "common sense revolution". Among other items, he defunded health care in Ontario and it has never been the same.
@@jeffreyquinn3820 This actually started in 1992 and has never recovered.
@@canuckfixit7722 This actually started in 1992 and has never recovered.
It's been designed like this. The global elites believe the world is overpopulated. Their goal is to reduce the population by all means. This is why they are making it difficult to afford a comfortable living and ability to pay for kids. They are making it harder to live longer. None of this affects them or their families. They have all the power and money. They are telling themselves they have to do it to save humanity. In reality, they are just being selfish and justifying bad behavior. Actions of the spoiled prince who inherited the throne.
What a compassionate, dedicated and lovely Doctor! May GOD Bless Dr. Abdulla and his Family with happiness, health, love and peace. 🙏🙏😊❤☮🙏🙏 Canada needs more Doctors like Dr. Abdulla.
I know he is amazing.
It’s so amazing how Dr. Abdullah is so passionate to his patients and helping them in their healing. His also very patient and despite the stress was cheerful. We have the same doctor and we’re so blessed to have such doctor like her. God bless you good and kind doctor ♥️
all Doctors are actors.
I'm now starting to understand why Google reviews for doctor clinics are very low, the receptionists are overworked as well as the doctors. It's hard for them to deal with all that workload, and it gives me insight and empathy for when I experience no callbacks for example, or miscommunications. I'll definitely be lenient and not as judgmental moving forward.
receptionist are another story though
As an MD (sorry I know MD plug is normally really cringe), I often see that Family Medicine doctors do not get nearly as much respect compared to other specialties, both from patients and medical professionals alike. Legitimately though, having done a good amount of FM in my training (despite not being a GP now), I would honestly say that it is one of the most demanding specialties to do really well. The amount of patience, care, and compassion it takes to be an excellent GP is immense compared to many other specialties, all while being compensated and respected less. I commend Dr. Abdulla for his great work.
Seems to me the actual MD's that ARE out there must be doing the work for the love of it and not for money. Chasing the golden goose is probably not wise, and im not sure what sort of respect one is expecting? I think most patients are quite respectful and grateful to MD's when they can get in to see one, which many can not. Respect yourself and do the work to heal others and the rewards are more than money
@@msmysticstorytimeI love you view, the gratitude and smiles of contentment on the patients faces can never be bought anywhere, the peace it leaves in your mind knowing fully well that you have helped someone is simply priceless.I am going into medical field and Family Medicine is the focal point.
@@msmysticstorytimeI love you view, the gratitude and smiles of contentment on the patients faces can never be bought anywhere, the peace it leaves in your mind knowing fully well that you have helped someone is simply priceless.I am going into medical field and Family Medicine is the focal point.
@@msmysticstorytimeTo hell with the so called prestige and high compensation. The best compensation is the fulfilment you get from doing what you love.
@@ashakijana1273 No smart person is going into medicine for prestige or money anymore. They are doing it because they love medicine, either the challenge of the profession, or to care for sick people. One can make a lot more money doing something else, if you are smart enough to get into med school, especially a Canadian medical school which is super competitive.
My heart goes out to him...seems like a wonderful Dr. His patients are blessed to have him! From an RN
Thanks for the video and opening my eyes to this. Now I know why I'm rushed through my Dr visits. I will certainly show more appreciation and thank them after each and every visit. And I will keep my list of ailments to a minimum. Dr Abdulla is a good man. Thank you Dr Abdulla. I hope you find more peace in your everyday.
Pay attention to what it is said between 14:10 and 15:27. That was the exact reason why I stepped out the clinical field, even loving my career. I remember days when I had to finish admin stuff for hours after my shift just because the schedule was full with people and no time was allocated for admin tasks. It was like running a marathon every day. That kind of rythm is unsustainable over time. We are not machines, we are humans and also patients
100% agree
Agree. So sorry.
Aren't doctors in Canada paid per patient? If that's the case, can you not set your own schedule more conducive to your family and life balance (eg 4 day week, 6 hour days)?
Could the secretary (or second one if needed) shadow the doctor and fill in the paperwork, freeing doctors to see patients solely?
Question: Can this task be delagated?
Hello ,Can I know what alternative career did you opt for 😊
Ps I am a struggling IMG
Very sad. Made me cry listening to this doctor talk about his family and his losses. All the best. Stay strong.
This is a good analysis of the issue with the shortage of family physicians in Ontario: 1) too much needless admin time, and 2) the payment model discourages new Doctors from going into family practice. So IF we know the root causes, why aren't we fixing them?
And how about the College of Physicians and Surgeons take some of the lead in fixing them!!!
This is so well done. Great documentary and what a great doctor & human being you selected to show us the live of a family doctor.
My doctor is also closing his practice this year after 35 years. It is easy to see that he is burnout. He’s been my family doctor since my birth. Unfortunately, I have been experiencing horrible symptoms for almost a year. It’s at the point where I am off work and unable to sleep. He is a good doctor and now I must find a new family doctor, as does my entire family. The health care system in Canada is seriously failing and many of us will be left without proper care. Emergency rooms are beyond overloaded, the wait time for CT scans, MRIs etc is extremely long. The wait time to see a specialist is unrealistic. I was scheduled for a chest CT scan in June 2024, and the test was requested in December 2023. Thankfully,my test was rescheduled and was able to complete it earlier, but not everyone is so lucky. I hope things get better, and THANK YOU to all the doctors and nurses and health care workers who are working overload. We appreciate you.
Thank you Dr. Abdulla & CBC. This was a great video and one that I hope opens more doors on this very important topic ❤
I am grateful to ALL Family Doctors who are so dedicated to all that they to make sure their patients are well cared for. May God continue to bless all the Family Doctors. 🙏🙏🙏
Thank you! My doctor retired 15 months ago and was my family doctor for over 20 years. I am happy he is enjoying a well deserved retirement. I was always so appreciative and respectful of his time. His MOA was also there for over 20 years.
It was like seeing family once or twice a year when I came in to the office. I am currently on a wait list for a new family doctor.
My family doctor is as nice as Dr. Abdulla. I honestly cannot be more grateful to have someone like her who listens to my concerns and is dedicated to finding the best solutions for her patients. It took me a while to find someone like her but that is one reason I would not want move elsewhere.
I'm also a family doc in Canada and concur to the accuracy of the challenges in the system, often feels that it's made against the physicians instead of for them.
Sir how much do you earn as a family medicine doctor? Plz reply. Thanks a lot.
I'm going to go and give my doc a hug! She's wonderful and works so hard. Thanks for doing this amazing and informative video! We are thankful for our hardworking doctors all over Canada!!
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Dr. Abdulla is such a kind man woah. He deserves a break. I wish the systems took better care of our doctors. Phenomenal interview, thanks
Wow great topic.
I am a software developer and I have to say...... There is definitely huge room for improvement here using existing technology. Interfacing with the computer could be vastly improved. Admin work needs to be taken seriously. Any private corporation would identify this.
A LOT of family docs still use fax as their main means of communication for referrals. That means hospitals still have to use fax... it's brutal.
CS student here. I 100% agree. Government systems always seem to lag behind private systems that aren't as handcuffed by bureaucracy. I see examples of this in municipal government, and school districts as well.
The problem is an economic one, efficiency and software.
No one wants to pay the admin people or take on more people to do that work.
As I always suspected the problem is an Economic and administration.
No one wants to pay workers to do the work to make doctors offices work properly...both the government and the doctors who dont want more money taken away from them for the admin work that has to be done.
For decades, the choice has been between cutting taxes for donors and maintaining / improving our healthcare systems. I'd also like to point out that short of an integrated clinical software system, which is expensive, fax & courier are pretty much the only options that meet privacy legislation.
Telus Health operates in this area from what I have seen.
I imagine the problem is with legislation, which forces participants, public or private, to work a certain way.
If the government wants you to fill a form, you've got to type a lot.
You can't easily solve this without the govt easing on some requirements, and allowing for audio notes (transcribed asynchronously) like the Police does.
Beautiful documentary! As an aspiring family physician this inspires me more to go into the field but also lays in view the challenges I could potentially face. The lord would help us all!🙏🏾
I’m a student who has spent 10 years trying to get into medical school in Canada, constantly trying to improve. I applied more than 12 times. I don’t think people realize just how many amazing people would love to be able to be a doctor that just can’t get in. I’ve finally started to pursue other things that hopefully will appreciate me more
Poilievre says that he will fix the problem with Canadian trained doctors being given priority to work in Canada , as well as be educated in Canada. Also, the problem of foreign trained doctors and nurses being kept out will be fixed. Trudeau has caused this entire situation and he can’t be gone soon enough
I’m in the same boat as you, I’m an aspiring medical student, though I’m still in the process of completing my undergrad. I’m already looking at options for medical school abroad because I highly doubt that I’ll be able to get in here.
Yah switch to nursing dude then it pays way more
It's prospective Canadian patients' loss that the occupational world in Canada refuses to accept and recognize potential doctors especially foreign trained ones. One major roadblock is its insistence of "Canadian experience" as though only those with Canadian experience are the competent, efficient, highly-skilled, the BEST! Thus, you would be disgusted when you find out that foreign trained medical practitioners are on a par or even better than those with Canadian experience/ Canadian education. How frustrating!
@@alexjoseph1306 I hope Poilievre can fix the problem of doctor shortage in this country by giving priority to Canadian trained and even the foreign trained ones so that you will opt to stay.
Thank you for your dedication and service, Dr Abdulla!
this story should be broadcasted on the wider CBC Network so it can reach an even larger audience
What an amazing doctor! The Hippocratic Oath is manifesting inside him. His joy is helping and treating people wth their health issues. Thank yous, hugs, and mentioning him in obituaries are enough to make him happy. Indeed, we need myriads of docs like you, Dr. Abdullah
Wow! Need more doctors like this one! Has compassion and empathy and truly really cares. We’re just not a number! ❤
I am retired from the Heath Care system, and what this Doc is saying is TRUE! Take Heed all. This is why people leave or move. Health Care workers have a professional license and are expected to be professional, accurate, caring, and to make the correct assessments, diagnosis and treatments. When your'e expected to be see the patients of 2 doctors, what do you think is going to happen? THIS !!! burnout, resignations, and as a parent I advised my child NOT to get involved in our severely broken and toxic Health care systems. Other parents have also advised the same to their children. Where will this all lead? Private Health care? There has to be something BETTER!!
This men is sooo wise, we all have somthing to learn. Thanks for sharing this
This is the best piece of journalism I've seen in a long time. Well done.
Respect that gentleman and Thanks for sharing this.
At $40 a visit if you average the time and the patients in a day. It’s more costly to go see your local mechanic something is broken.
Hi Audiorick: Something is seriously wrong. You're right when you said "It's more costly to go see your local mechanic." It costs more to see a lawyer. People employed in skilled trades earn more than Doctors. So SAD!
I hope one day I can get into medical school here and serve more people. This doctor is such an inspiration! I feel like the way he builds amazing rapport with his clients have already cured whatever theyre going through!
Wonderful and much needed area to address. I can totally feel the pain for family physicians.
Phenomenal caring Physician! Reminds me of my own. We need more Physicians like him - but he has so much to do!!
Thank you for creating this documentary. This doctor is amazing!
Dr. Abdulla seems like a doctor everyone would want to have. Easy to criticize newer doctors but they have’t had the opportunity to work in the system BEFORE it was so broken. No opportunity to build such relationships with patients to create a “why” they do this. Heartbreaking and even more alarming.
Thank you for sharing your humanity Dr. Abdulia. We see you. Love is everything!
Great topic and great job reporting on it. Watching from the US and a retired nurse, I sure can see why the lines are long in Canada for many medical needs. What an awful way to have to live- both residents and MDs. This doc on the program wore so many hats in those 14 hrs like a physiotherapist , psychological counselor, aging specialist, radiologist plus husband, dad. Forgot juggler!! Lol. The doctor certainly gives his patients his all.
In Canada, we don't have to sit at home and consider whether the cure is worth the cost ($$) as they do in America. Hence, the number of Americans who waited too long and subsequently died of Covid at home! Sure we wait hours to see a dr at the ER, but we are seen... and its paid foe through our taxes.
To boot we are happier than Americans (#13 on the world happiness scale. Americans are #15. Maybe our healthcare system has something to do with it.😉)
@@miriamm2978 Many people died of covid because they WENT to the hospitals and were put on vents for wrong reasons. (MD here)
@@alinafakin370 The state of Florida alone had more deaths than the entire country of Canada. Something is sadly amiss in America.
@@miriamm2978 Perhaps more (aggressive) treatments are the culprit. Africa had almost no deaths.
@@alinafakin370 a study from the Boston University School of Public Health suggests that the covid mortality rates in Africa were grossly underreported. This makes sense considering that Covid testing wasn't readily available in all communities in Africa. Moreover, a lower number of covid deaths in Africa may correlate with fewer patients being put on ventilation, but that doesn't prove causality.
An amazing dedicated, hardworking much needed family Doctor, God bless him and for sticking it through all the years he has served. My family has been blessed with an equally amazing family Doctor for over 20 years now, Dr. Petrea, and as patients we are all lucky to have these physicians being part of our families.
Great enlightening show. Thank you!
Dr. Abdullah was the doctor for both my late parents. I know he did his best and I know it was really hard for him to watch them deteriorate. He truly cared.
Dr. Abdullah deserves a medal of highest honor. God bless Dr. Abdullah and all the family doctors around the world... 💗🙏🏻
Thanks for speaking out Doc. Very brave.
Wow! Thank you Dr. Abdullah. You're a great doctor.
And this isnt just a Doctor issue, most professions are moving into longer hours and crap pay and less and less students want to follow or go through the same path.
Excellent reporting and firsthand experience!
He is a gem!
This doctor is amazing , most doctor so busy and overload , they did not read the chart ahead .
I’m in NB and it’s the same issues here .
My husband and 2 boys all received a letter in the mail saying that their family doctor will not be coming back to practice ( this was after 2 years of not being able to contact her office ) . My youngest has an autoimmune disorder( thankfully we still have his PED doc ) and my husband has a GI condition …. No family doctor now .
I have a family doctor but had to got to another town to get one … about a 45 minute drive there to see her . 3 years I have suffered from an unknown illness and it’s been a year since they told me I would be referred to neurology … have not heard anything , so I continue to watch myself waist away !
Canadians like myself are losing hope . Not in the doctors but in the system that is supposed to help our medical system and all the people who are in desperate need of care ( that includes doctors , nurses , and all hospital staff )
After almost 4 years waiting for a family doctor in Ontario, now, I finally got one, IN MEXICO.
It really saddened me I wasn't the only Canadian in Mexico seeking medical.
It hurts to pay taxes in one country and have to go to another and literally "take advantage" of their health system.
I often wonder what will happen when I'm older and I'm not able to travel, and my own country still can't find me a doctor. It's upsetting.
Btw, I was given a number when visiting the Dr and was in the high 30's around 4pm. Most doctors work a lot and I feel bad for Canadian doctors. But I do feel more for the Mexican one who makes way less and now has to treat patients from other countries like Canada and the States thanks to our broken systems.
Like you pay taxes. 😂
@SC KL I don't know why would you make this comment? I wouldn't know how not to pay taxes, and I'm still ok with it as I love been Canadian and I still think its a beautiful country. Unfortunately it has a health system that it's really not working out for its people. Have a great day.
8 years without a doctor in Canada.... walk in clinics are my only option waiting 4-6 hours...
I heard a Canadian family had to cross the border to Michigan for their kids peds appointment due a waiting list.
This is the sad truth, 40% personal income tax and emergency require 4-6hr wait, while if u have $$$ you can get treated immedately in the States or in Mexico
Wow...really an eye opener! Thanks.
I hope GPT-4 or other future LLM (large language models in AI world) can help complete ADMIN work! - We have lot of tech workers in Canada coming in every year from all around the world - can definitely help to overcome this problem.
Finally a comment with a strategy. All the other comments are just praise.
@@jonathankr not anytime soon due to laws governing privacy and usage of such tools. Family docs don't wanna get randomly sued for breaching privacy act or Personal Health Information Protection Act. Also only some newer family docs uses computers, older ones still write notes and have admin type them in for them.
Very informative. I Had no idea the system was so harsh on Dr's!
A real eye opener Thank you brother
We came to Canada end 2021. It was a struggle and took considerable time to finally find a family doctor.
Once there was an illness outbreak at my kids’ school and it affected many students including my kids. I tried to arrange a time to meet my family doctor. It never materialised. They didn’t even bothered to return my call.
Definitely something is very wrong about this whole family doctor arrangement in Canada.
I really reaaly appreciate Dr Abdulla for his dedication and hard work. God bless him and his family.
Just go to walk in clinic. Finding a family doctor does not guarantee you he/she is a good one. I get better care at walk in clinic then from my so called family doctor who was totally worthless, he put money ahead of people health. If I was not going often ( what for if I was not sick) he removed me from his practice way before covid. I felt so disgusted ,I don't even bother to look for another one.
very hard-working doc. Never seen anyone like him before.
❤thank you for everything you do ❤❤❤❤
I want to be a Family Doctor. This was very balanced & helpful
Thank you Dr. Abdulla :)
What a great eye opening insight into a day of a family doctor. The payment needs to be more and the paperwork a lot less for our health care system to survive
It is really reassuring to see the positive comments from Canadians. I’m a GP in the UK and feel undervalued and thinking about Canada.
I hope that the doctor does not burn out
RS
MD, FRCS. Canada
God bless this Doctor for everything he does for his patients.❤️
nice to see a caring doctor, mine sees 8 patients a n hour its a billing mill.
Dr. Abdullah, God Bless You 🙏...
I wish people knew how hard family medicine is
Amazing insight !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bravo
A DR that takes it Seriously!
Respect
My family physician is patient and careful, and I have been searching for one for three years. After making a few calls, I waited... and waited. Every issue I have written down in advance and I schedule exams frequently based on my family's health history. Canada's public health care system isn't perfect, but it needs to be improved, not abolished.
Wow what an amazing doctor!
He could easily be a role model for a family physician. Amazing doctor!
Amazing report!
Very enlightening. And am here thinking I have stayed too long searching for a family doc for my family for 6 months now. Thanks to this wonderful doctor
Canada needs to do better. I posted about the stress of not being able to find a family doctor. Dofo and JT need to be held accountable.
At 20 minutes he is spending a lot more time with his patients than I have ever received! And I am 70! 10 minutes and I’m in and out.
Because this doctor is a team based practice, not fee for service. Many doctors would like to be able to spend more time with their patients, but the fee for service system doesn't let them.
Last time I was at the Dr it was 20 min past my appointment time and he was clearly rushed and it was pointless.
@@Chahlie You waited just 20 minutes. Not bad. I know your time is important too. As a retired MD, getting behind was one of the biggest stressors. Do you enjoy running late for your appointments? Stressful isn't it? Imagine that feeling 15-20 times a day. Doctors try to keep on time but people come in with unexpected difficulties, extra forms, bring an extra kid etc. So, yup, we feel rushed too. Not ideal.
20 minutes includes the admin time. He needs about 5-10 minutes to chart and complete referrals as well.
I'm currently a family doctor in the UK planning to relocate to Canada. I have done and passed my Canadian exam (MCCQE1). After seeing this, I may end up staying in the UK. The grass is not always greener on the other side.
Healthcare here has actually been garbage for years, it’s almost like the government has purposely made it trash so they can try privatizing it. It’s actually insane.
I’m currently on a 6-8 week waiting list for one, but I can almost guarantee they’ll just tell me I have to wait another 6-8 weeks again.
Run Forrest Run ! The grass is purple here my friend !
Canada is a great place to practice. Don't let this propaganda get to you.
A family member moved from the UK. They prefer Canada still
Don’t let this one video turn you off of your plans to come here. My GP is busy but has a good work/life balance and is taking new patients. I’m not saying there’s not a problem here, but our media tends to exaggerate. This video doesn’t represent all GP’s.
Watched it, they said the problem is that most family doctors make $40/visit so most med school graduates don't choose to become family doctors. Saved you 22 minutes.
@@amittrivedi4610 not sure where you got that information, but that’s not true. It can depend, but is around $30-40
It really depends upon the format they use. Some docs get paid per visit, and others have a flat rate per X number of patients within their roster.
You would think we would have a lot specialists in that case. But seeing a specialist is an even more of a battle than seeing a GP.
@@mr.m2545 Team based practices, ie. where they get paid a flat rate for the number of patients, is only an ontario thing. Most family doctors (even in ontario) are fee for service. And this video is disingenuous to not show what it's actually like working fee-for-service, because it's a lot busier than this video implies.
I usually only take 15 minutes of their time so that seems fair. Im young with no health issues though.
Family clinics having family doctors(multiple) with shared admin and logistics services is the answer. Single family doctor clinic cannot afford to keep admin and other required staff. Multiple family doctors in one clinic, practising for their pool of patients is the answer. At least the cost of day to day admin, and clinic maintenance can come down by way of shared facility and shared staff. Currently walk-in clinics do have this type of structure, with visiting doctors. But, the visiting doctors do not practice family practice. They only do walk-ins. This model can be adapted, but by replacing walk-in, visiting doctors with family doctors, and practising family doctor's service.
Yes that seems to be what the doctor is explaining initially, but not that many of them are lucky enough to work in a shared environment like that so what would be the solution...more clinics?
@@MsMermaid3
If that is, then replacing single unit family clinics with the hub like family practice clinics may be a solution. I am not sure, who takes care of converting to such a structure. I suppose the provincial government. So yes, proposing such idea and requirement may be the right way.
I overhead my GP doctor complain to a colleague that the College of Physicians and Surgeons does little to provide leadership to the doctors that are stuck in this precarious and broken system!
Aren't doctors in Canada paid per patient? If that's the case, can you not set your own schedule more conducive to your family and life balance (eg 4 day week, 6 hour days)?
Many Canadians are actually training in family practice outside of Canada Most in the highly reputable medical schools., in fact certifiably thousands in recent reports, It is reported a large majority actually want to come back to Canada to practice,they can’t come back and practice in Canada because the training wasn’t done here. They need to rigorously and quickly test these graduates and work on getting them back. That’s total nonsense as it presently stands.
Two of my friends went through this, now one sells drugs and the other is a pharamcist. Family Doctor just don't have good work life balance...
I practive primary care medicine in both the US and Canada for 13 years. I see on average 20 patients per shift in the US and about 25 in Canada, this documentary is spot on. People dont realize the amount of works we put in before and after seeing a patient. I gave up the insurance system in the US and public system in Canada and opened a private clinic outside of both about 4 months ago. I see about 10-12 patients a day now and I will never go back to the old days.
Where are you now? Iceland?
@@yuki-sakurakawa
No mars.
@@yuki-sakurakawa
Don't hate the players, hate the game pal.
Is it worth finishing medical school? I've completed 2 years. A private practice like yours sounds like the only way to go.
@ArielSmit what year are you in and where do u live?
I was born in Canada in 1979 and I don't have a family doctor I have been looking for one ever since I moved to this city from a small town 17 years ago and still have no luck. I even have a agency that is supposed to help me find one but no luck with them too. So I have to go to a walk in clinic and spend a day waiting in line to be seen for basic pill refills and when I am ill.
As a nurse that’s how I feel every single shift, and I have about perhaps 10 minutes of down time between each 12 hour shift and travelling, home chores, eating, sleeping. I’m only 35 I have no idea how I will last the next month I can’t imagine being a nurse when I turn 40
When I left Canada in 1995, it was much like this - many little rooms, the doctor jumping from room to room with different patients. I figured he was just a go-getter and wanted to help as many people as possible.
Zoom forward thirty years, and this is now the norm.
deserve more $ they really work hard
Yes, in Ontario Ford opted for giving everyone their auto license sticker fees rebated, 150 or more rebated to citizens…. costing billions, election move ofcourse…so foolish, should have used the money towards medical salaries..people were used to paying for auto tags, now they will complain like crazy when they have to pay again, such a dumb move,,, Should’ve directed all of this money towards our medical system to prop it up. Dumb, dumb, dumb
Dr Abdullah’s patients are very lucky to have him.
The financial incentive for become a family doctor needs to increase. They earn a lot less for the amount of work and have a lot more responsibility when compared to many other medical specialties.
Great Doctor, his patients are very lucky
The NHS in the UK, GP (family doctors) on average spend 10 mins per patient with all the admin work too.. and they are not allowed to refuse a patient being listed with them
This is just crazy he's like a father figure to all and trying his best I am worried for their mental health as well...not only are they trying to help others but they are getting no help.
Seems doctors share the work frustrations of all employees, with prestiguous job security
Very well done piece.
If a Dr sees 20 patients a day at $40/visit, and have to pay for an office and secretary and team out of it - the numbers make no sense. It's a losing proposition. Rates per visit have to be at least $60 for it to work. Makes no sense to study for 10 years, incur $200k in debt, and then run a family clinic in Ontario.
They get $80 per visit.
$40 is maybe for a virtual 7-10 min visit.
@@andrewign5806 Got it. Makes more sense. But that's what I thought they said. Thanks.
@@andrewign5806 not true! It can depend, but is not $80 per
@@andrewign5806 Wrong. Most visits are an A007 which pays $36.85. A simple visit would be A001which is 23.75. If it's a phone visit, the government deducts 15% further from that. www.health.gov.on.ca/en/pro/programs/ohip/sob/physserv/sob_master_20221201.pdf
This is why most doctors refuse to treat more than one issue per visit. It's very annoying! I can't be bothered to waste my time making multiple visits on multiple days for different things. Most people have things called jobs.