That’s what I was thinking. For MKLeo (and others) who have incredible spacing and can already get tippers reliably, most of the Marth buffs mean nothing. It’s definitely a buff for the moderate and beginner leveled players though.
MKleo! Keep being yourself man. You’re pretty much one of the only reasons why I still have faith in the smash community. It’s great someone as good as you is the best player in the world. Don’t let any haters bring you down bro. You’re the best
Basically, they moved the sourspots so that there was less overlap with the tipper. It makes Marth's tipper easier to hit, thus being more consistent to hit tippers. For a pro like MKLeo, I can understand why he doesn't feel it, because making something easier to hit when you already hit tippers won't feel different.
That last stock comeback ending with a FS tipper at 50% was god mode activated. Couple more buffs and you’ll be #1 with Marth again. It would be legendary
As a Shulk main, I’d love to see how Leo would handle a character like Shulk. With his technical knowledge, I can see him doing some great things with him
I remember some people saying MKLeo would be a crazy good Shulk main because of how he plays the game with his fundementals and spacing, edgeguarding with smash art. But MKLeo hates Shulk haha
Fair, bair, and upair tippers are definitely easier to land since they've been fixed. But the downsmash really doesn't matter that much in the grand scheme of things, and there's not enough buffs yet. A step in the right direction for sure, though.
This. There's a weird optimism with some folks that they just need to keep buffing tipper boxes and he'll suddenly be top tier. I don't know how people are forgetting he's minus on hit at zero untippered in some cases, how untippered hits have almost no extra combo potential, how every matchup Lucina struggles with he struggles harder thanks to the sourspot, how the tipper doesn't win any matchups Lucina doesn't. He doesn't have options she doesn't. He'll either do more damage and kill sooner or do less and kill later. That's all tipper buffs change.
@@Casino220 The only sours are are punishable on hit at low % are f-tilt, shield breaker, DA, and any rising aerial besides n-air2. And Marth has the same combos lucina has (excluding double rising n-air > f-smash), but they go for longer and have wider % windows, so that's what everyone means
@@Exorcist_ali248 You're right, minus the part that your completely wrong. Lucina is only good because she can swing the sword without a care in the world. Marth has to actually use his eyes so that he can properly space his opponent while doing as much damage as possible. Therefore, Marth cooler
@@robertmeneguzzo235 Unfortunately in such a party game like this, you're not rewarded for having to think the most strategic. Granted Lucina can swing her sword without a care in the world, if it wins you money, so be it.
Congrats on 100k subs Leo! I'm out here just tryna hit 1000 lmao. I've been covering some of the post patch characters too so it's cool to finally see ur Marth in action on YT after the buffs!
You know, even tho marth and lucina have the exact same moveset and almost the exact same game plan, i feel marth is just more entertaining to watch compared to Lucina. I guess maybe it has to do with the fact we don't see many people use marth often and marth is a more risky character to play because of the tipper mechanics. Lucina I just find to be overrated and really boring to watch. I will agree tho that Lucina is really fun to play with, definitely not fun to watch tho. That's just my opinion tho and you can feel free to disagree with me if you want. Moral of the story (for me at least) Lucina is fun to play and boring to watch, and marth is risky to play but entertaining to watch. Edit: I guess I should clarify a few things. 1: I do not hate Lucina (I may not like watching her in tournaments but I do not hate the character), 2: I do not hate people who main top tiers (there is a good reason why we see so many palus, wolfs, and lucinas) 3: I do not hate top tiers or high tiers, heck, some of my favorite characters to watch and play are top/high tiers like for example some of my favorite characters to watch that are considered high/top tier are joker, zss, pokemon trainer, bowser, pikachu, greninja, and on occasion I do sometimes like to watch Mario and peach/daisy Hopefully that clears some things up. Anyways have a nice day/night
@@adithahsan752 I don't think having an inherently worse neutral makes your neutral less interesting. You can have a good neutral that's boring. I'd say Palu is an example. She has a good neutral but it's not that interesting. Marth's neutral is cooler than Lucina's imo because it takes a lot more precision. You need to pick your places to swing more than Lucina does, which leads to more interesting options, even if Lucina's neutral is overall more consistent
Lucina main here. She is very boring to watch lmao. If marth was actually a good character I would not only main him, I wouldn’t be surprised every time I see him in high level play. I was basically forced to main lucina because I love marth plays, but lucina does that better and more, sucks that this game made him look like a bitch in ultimate:(
Update:: this footage was from around when 8.00 was just released. Recently, Leo’s been practicing marth A LOT, trying to get the 100 win streak on elite smash. Leo said that at First, he thought the buffs weren’t that big, but now he’s realized they’ve changed marth a lot, and that marth is significantly better. Might even be on par with Lucina.
Leo, por favor, eres mi jugador de smash bros favorito desde que te conoci, me encanta tu forma de jugar, no quiero que tengas alegaciones sexuales ni nada por el estilo
I still like MKLeo for making Joker such a threat. I remember looking for a good Joker player in the early days and then MKLeo came out and put Joker on the map. Does me proud as a Persona 5. Speaking of which, MKLeo, have you been playing Persona 5 Royal?
you deserve the 100k! i hope that you can grow in youtube and twitch te mereces los 100k! espero que puedas crecer en youtube y twitch saludos desde brasil
when your already one of the best and you lost a large chunk of your competition to being outed as sexual deviants. Mkleo: "just be number 1, its not hard."
In my opinion, Marth is maybe 2 buffs away from being top tier. If the tipper side b becomes more consistent and a slightly larger sweet spot f-tilt his kit will be complete
Actually his non tipper connect to tippers that's Ultimate Marth in a Nutshell. So if they messed with his non tippers it could drastically change his kill confirms which the Marth community has been learning muscle memory kill confirms of non tips into tips. It will take away all the hard work they did for nothing.
@@grape_nation yeah, some way to be able to "consistently" be able to get sour spot or sweet spot. stressing that tippers shouldn't be consistent, though, at least not without a lot of practice, but they should be more consistent.
Marth should definitely kill earlier on average than Roy being that he’s slower, requires much more precision, and has to play neutral much more to get a kill.
J P The sourspot hitboxes on most of Marth's moves only cover up about half the blade, the rest of it is tipper. Check ultimate frame data if you don't believe me, they're huge
@@igirjei3717 hot damn you're absolutely right they are as big as all the others at least. That's such a weird design decision then, because yeah I guess the only reason it's hard to get tippers is literally because the other hitboxes do take priority. Bizarre
I guess it makes sense in a way but I think it'd be more intuitive if you got the tipper as long as the tip of the sword hits, instead of ONLY the tip of the sword
Is Marth better...maybe slightly...but that's about it. Hopefully an "actual" patch will come soon. ( Simply giving knockback increases doesn't necessarily make characters better...)
The tipper buffs weren’t significant enough to warrant Marth as a top tier. Nintendo is so scared of taking risks because they don’t want to give tier changing buffs.
"Sigh, I need to stop trying to get every single tipper"
*proceeds to hit every single tipper
“You know what I did? I just got good” “Just be number 1 it’s not hard” “Don”t wanna lose? Just win”- best player in the world’s wise words
The Isai of ultimate
100 APPLES wow idk why I never realized that
Time stamp?
xxgarlicbreadxx the easiest way to win is to not lose
Around 21:00 he says that, definitely gave me Isai vibes
I love how Leo is so casual in this vid and then when you watch Mr. E’s vid he’s stressing out so much lol
thats why leo is still the #1 lol
He doesn’t feel any significant changes cuz he’s already so good at getting tipper 😂
That’s what I was thinking. For MKLeo (and others) who have incredible spacing and can already get tippers reliably, most of the Marth buffs mean nothing.
It’s definitely a buff for the moderate and beginner leveled players though.
Facts
Lmfaooooooo
@@AlfredEiji i was thinking the same thing lmao
Yep as someone who would get maybe 10 tippers per game before now I’m
Getting toppers basically 50% of the time
Marths tipper sounds like if water exploded.
Its the sound of cheeks getting clapped
just watched mr. e's video and he's like super concentrated and mkleo is just talking casually
lmfaooooooo fr tho i saw that too
Well hes the best for a reason🤷🏽♂️
You try to calmly play against the best player in the world.
i noticed this too hahaha
He was literally giving demonstrations to chat of his options ledge trapping while ledge trapping in game
Patch 9.0: Marth now has his Melee grab range.
Down air spike hitbox got increased, more hitstun on every move.
Forward air now sends at an up right angle with multiplied hitstun
@@SeaGallSavage An option to use Marth's Japanese voice has been added.
@@ninpgmer8959 How can somebody change Marths voice to japanese voice?
@@magicalmagical2195 All of this is a joke....
MKleo! Keep being yourself man. You’re pretty much one of the only reasons why I still have faith in the smash community. It’s great someone as good as you is the best player in the world. Don’t let any haters bring you down bro. You’re the best
"i havent been playing smash lately"
Me too😔😔
That cut deep :(
Same :/
Me too.
What’s wrong?
Basically, they moved the sourspots so that there was less overlap with the tipper. It makes Marth's tipper easier to hit, thus being more consistent to hit tippers. For a pro like MKLeo, I can understand why he doesn't feel it, because making something easier to hit when you already hit tippers won't feel different.
Mr E is one of my favorite not top 10 players. I hope one day he is in the top 10 though. He is funny as hell and very chill to watch.
same
He practices with good players a lot so lets cross our fingers for him
He'll have a better chance after the purge
I think lucina holds him back. He has decent placings overall, but he's not very consistent. I don't even know if he has any significant win.
@@thelordoftheweebs9501 lol lucina is not whats holding him back. Just take a look at protobanham
13:04 that was actually _nice_ dudee SPICY
That last stock comeback ending with a FS tipper at 50% was god mode activated. Couple more buffs and you’ll be #1 with Marth again. It would be legendary
Agreed. I feel like there will be more buffs to come for Marth so Leo will have what he needs to showcase his Marth again
As a Shulk main, I’d love to see how Leo would handle a character like Shulk. With his technical knowledge, I can see him doing some great things with him
I remember some people saying MKLeo would be a crazy good Shulk main because of how he plays the game with his fundementals and spacing, edgeguarding with smash art. But MKLeo hates Shulk haha
I remember him SDing in the random tournament trying to use the jump art, but he just backslashed.
He would jump and Nair lol
Congrats for the 100 k, you are the best :D
Fair, bair, and upair tippers are definitely easier to land since they've been fixed. But the downsmash really doesn't matter that much in the grand scheme of things, and there's not enough buffs yet. A step in the right direction for sure, though.
This. There's a weird optimism with some folks that they just need to keep buffing tipper boxes and he'll suddenly be top tier. I don't know how people are forgetting he's minus on hit at zero untippered in some cases, how untippered hits have almost no extra combo potential, how every matchup Lucina struggles with he struggles harder thanks to the sourspot, how the tipper doesn't win any matchups Lucina doesn't. He doesn't have options she doesn't. He'll either do more damage and kill sooner or do less and kill later. That's all tipper buffs change.
@@Casino220 I agree. I think the best buff Marth can receive is a sourspot hitstun buff on all of his moves to increase the combo potential.
@@Casino220 The only sours are are punishable on hit at low % are f-tilt, shield breaker, DA, and any rising aerial besides n-air2. And Marth has the same combos lucina has (excluding double rising n-air > f-smash), but they go for longer and have wider % windows, so that's what everyone means
I wish the buffed the rest of his tippers, particularly Side B.
Bro, side b is scary as it is, if that got buffed marth would easiliy be top tier
@@xxdark322sidexx4 yes pls 👀
xXdark322sideXx exactly why we need him to be equal to Roy
xXdark322sideXx Yeah Marty side B already kills at like 80-90 percent it’s really good
@@geoversion2975 high 60's at ledge. It killed at 73 in this video.
Marth is WAAAAY cooler than lucina
Just Lucina with more options, and more options = cooler
@@Exorcist_ali248 You're right, minus the part that your completely wrong. Lucina is only good because she can swing the sword without a care in the world. Marth has to actually use his eyes so that he can properly space his opponent while doing as much damage as possible. Therefore, Marth cooler
Marth is cooler, I admit, but Lucina is better
@@robertmeneguzzo235 Unfortunately in such a party game like this, you're not rewarded for having to think the most strategic. Granted Lucina can swing her sword without a care in the world, if it wins you money, so be it.
@@TheRaifShow yea... its just a cruel injustice
Props for the 100K ! hopefully the road to 1M!!!!!
Been a Marth main for 10 years. This was a damned good sight. ggs!
Mklep doesnt even act like hes the best he has the attitude of someone who does it for fun
Congrats on 100k subs Leo! I'm out here just tryna hit 1000 lmao. I've been covering some of the post patch characters too so it's cool to finally see ur Marth in action on YT after the buffs!
keep it up dude you'll get there
Love your channel dude!
You know, even tho marth and lucina have the exact same moveset and almost the exact same game plan, i feel marth is just more entertaining to watch compared to Lucina. I guess maybe it has to do with the fact we don't see many people use marth often and marth is a more risky character to play because of the tipper mechanics. Lucina I just find to be overrated and really boring to watch. I will agree tho that Lucina is really fun to play with, definitely not fun to watch tho. That's just my opinion tho and you can feel free to disagree with me if you want. Moral of the story (for me at least) Lucina is fun to play and boring to watch, and marth is risky to play but entertaining to watch.
Edit: I guess I should clarify a few things.
1: I do not hate Lucina (I may not like watching her in tournaments but I do not hate the character),
2: I do not hate people who main top tiers (there is a good reason why we see so many palus, wolfs, and lucinas)
3: I do not hate top tiers or high tiers, heck, some of my favorite characters to watch and play are top/high tiers like for example some of my favorite characters to watch that are considered high/top tier are joker, zss, pokemon trainer, bowser, pikachu, greninja, and on occasion I do sometimes like to watch Mario and peach/daisy
Hopefully that clears some things up. Anyways have a nice day/night
Nah mate, I think even Lucina fans will agree with you on this one. She’s simply less interesting than her counterpart
Marth looks flashier but the fundies don’t carry over as well. Neutral is less interesting to watch because marth’s one is inherently worse
Dude, no need to expect or fear the hate. It's just an opinion, people can have opinions
@@adithahsan752 I don't think having an inherently worse neutral makes your neutral less interesting. You can have a good neutral that's boring. I'd say Palu is an example. She has a good neutral but it's not that interesting. Marth's neutral is cooler than Lucina's imo because it takes a lot more precision. You need to pick your places to swing more than Lucina does, which leads to more interesting options, even if Lucina's neutral is overall more consistent
Lucina main here. She is very boring to watch lmao. If marth was actually a good character I would not only main him, I wouldn’t be surprised every time I see him in high level play. I was basically forced to main lucina because I love marth plays, but lucina does that better and more, sucks that this game made him look like a bitch in ultimate:(
Congrats on 100k. You deserve it
12:57 Leo is last stock at 150% and still clutches it. That's why he is number 1 lol
Does anyone else love Leo’s sound affects lol
It just seems like Marth & Lucina have endless possibilities when Leo uses them lmao
Really cool, I always enjoy seeing Marth content
That transition on 10:24 was clean
This is what I've been waiting for.
Why no one Is talking about how Easy leo gets tipper forward 4 Dancing Blade so Many times, that's crazy
When you have to watch out for foot stools because it’s mr e lol
Chrom's sword just has the tipper sound all the time. That's why it doesn't feel as satisfying.
For more highlights, check out Mr. E's youtube channel!
that is like the best advice. look at what your opponent likes to do and do something that works against it.
You're making me laugh while playing and talking at the same time hahaha. Sigue así bro!
I used to remember Marth’s tipper fair killed at 60 offstage in 4 without rage
what? a move killing someone OFFSTAGE at mid percents? PPPPFT sounds too plausible, too normal. Shouldn't kill until 150!
Update:: this footage was from around when 8.00 was just released. Recently, Leo’s been practicing marth A LOT, trying to get the 100 win streak on elite smash. Leo said that at First, he thought the buffs weren’t that big, but now he’s realized they’ve changed marth a lot, and that marth is significantly better. Might even be on par with Lucina.
For real?
Yeah you should watch his streams
I'm pretty sure I speak for a lot of people out there when I say I could definitely learn from you
Leo, por favor, eres mi jugador de smash bros favorito desde que te conoci, me encanta tu forma de jugar, no quiero que tengas alegaciones sexuales ni nada por el estilo
XDDD, Gracias a Dios no las tuvo
That Marth gameplay was the SSBU equivalent of SSBM Fox dittos
2:09 dude what did Casper do to you?
I still like MKLeo for making Joker such a threat. I remember looking for a good Joker player in the early days and then MKLeo came out and put Joker on the map. Does me proud as a Persona 5. Speaking of which, MKLeo, have you been playing Persona 5 Royal?
He played through 5, not so sure about the Royal Edition
10:22 that cut lol
“Dash attack fuckin’ sucks dude”
That’s what I told my mashing friend who kept spamming it
Congrats on 100k
Yoo leo, let me guess you're playing Seulrene Monster on repeat all day long? one of the best things happened to you right? hehe ^^'
And if you look right over here folks, you will find a rare breed of smash player: the Non-Pedophile
CONGRATS ON 100K SUBS
Welcome back king.
you deserve the 100k! i hope that you can grow in youtube and twitch
te mereces los 100k! espero que puedas crecer en youtube y twitch
saludos desde brasil
bro the thing at the end is hilarious!!!!!!!!!!!!! hahahahhaa
Why Samsora is always second at the end of the video?
when your already one of the best and you lost a large chunk of your competition to being outed as sexual deviants.
Mkleo: "just be number 1, its not hard."
In my opinion, Marth is maybe 2 buffs away from being top tier. If the tipper side b becomes more consistent and a slightly larger sweet spot f-tilt his kit will be complete
Nah, that’s still not enough
Buff sourspot hitstun Nintendo, Jeez.......
Leo with the "Seulrene" tag lol. My man's a shipper.
Does Marth's counter have the tipper and sour spot element to it?
felicidades por 100.000
nice vid bro, but what do you think is marth better?
lol casual stream MkLeo is hilarious. keep the videos coming bro
Didn't Leo say he'd do a Joker guide at 100k subs?
Yep! Unfortunately that takes a lot of work and good recording so it will probably take a few weeks till i can get the video done
@@MKLeo17 Fair enough. I've been excited for this video for months!
@@MKLeo17 take your time, homie.
Yay!
A video of Leo!
Fist time I ever see you giving a homie stock
when you haven't watched a mkleo video in a long time and his English has improved significantly
Mkleo the Ike mains need to see your Ike 8.0!! plzzz #IkeMainsRiseUp
the only real Hero we have now FGC!
T:T
So are we not going t learn anything from this? Just dont idolize people that are good at video games, you dont know them.
some ppl wont learn
@@michaualtington hahahahahahhaahahahahahahahahahahahaha
@@alexterieur8813 hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
I was looking forward to seeing some Marth hair on Samsora at the end. :(
Maybe it’s been too long and this is a weird compliment but your English has improved a ton Leo
“Okay let me show you something” 🤣🤣
Who wins this matchup?
You know I actually feel like a good buff for Marth would actually be making his non tippers stronger. Like non tipper up air should be WAY stronger
Actually his non tipper connect to tippers that's Ultimate Marth in a Nutshell. So if they messed with his non tippers it could drastically change his kill confirms which the Marth community has been learning muscle memory kill confirms of non tips into tips. It will take away all the hard work they did for nothing.
Seulrene....love the name
Please make more videos with Mr. E!
Call me silly but there is something I find so gentlemanly and elegant about Marth dittos.
What if Marth could swing his sword without a care in the world like Lucina and he had tipper that would make him top tier
21:24 🤣🤣🤣
21:34*
Who else is on their phone and thought someone was calling them every time the video cut?
How would ya'll rank the FE swordsmen now?
top 15 characters
Mr. E looking like Yandere Dev in that thumbnail.
And they still say sword mirrors are boaring..
I hope Marth gets more tipper buffs.
Or maybe a sour spot buff? That wouldn’t be too bad tbh
@@grape_nation yeah, some way to be able to "consistently" be able to get sour spot or sweet spot. stressing that tippers shouldn't be consistent, though, at least not without a lot of practice, but they should be more consistent.
Sour spots are fine, he just needs more combo options. DB4U is almost perfect but it has too much endlag.
Top Anime whats db4u
@@kylojett Dancing blade up 4
Marth should definitely kill earlier on average than Roy being that he’s slower, requires much more precision, and has to play neutral much more to get a kill.
Marth sword big. No. Also his recovery kinda decent.
If they just make tipper hitbox have priority over sour hitbox, marth is fixed and top tier
That would break marth, it would be virtually impossible to accidentally hit a sout spot if you did that. Marth would be top 3 at worst
@@igirjei3717 the tipper hitboxes are tiny I don't think that's true at all
J P The sourspot hitboxes on most of Marth's moves only cover up about half the blade, the rest of it is tipper. Check ultimate frame data if you don't believe me, they're huge
@@igirjei3717 hot damn you're absolutely right they are as big as all the others at least. That's such a weird design decision then, because yeah I guess the only reason it's hard to get tippers is literally because the other hitboxes do take priority. Bizarre
I guess it makes sense in a way but I think it'd be more intuitive if you got the tipper as long as the tip of the sword hits, instead of ONLY the tip of the sword
the outro always kills me
inb4 UA-cam realizes this isn't Smash 4
This character is soooooo fun to watch. I want him to be top tier so bad!
Spiiicyyy teeeper forreesmaashhh
Is Marth better...maybe slightly...but that's about it. Hopefully an "actual" patch will come soon. ( Simply giving knockback increases doesn't necessarily make characters better...)
J'envoie de la force au prochain deuxième meilleur joueur de smash 🤜
We need Ike ditto with Ryuga, Marss or Ravenking next hahaha
The only significant buff is the back-air.
you can hear MKleo going clicky clacky on the c stick
I’m gonna play marth
Mkleo i wish to see more marth please
Leo is one of the smash gods .
I hope they buff side B, feels like roy has the only working one in game
*_Reads title_* Wait Ditto is a playable fighter?
We know who is winning EVO next year
13:58
Our time is now
The tipper buffs weren’t significant enough to warrant Marth as a top tier. Nintendo is so scared of taking risks because they don’t want to give tier changing buffs.