The Baha'i Faith claims to promote equality of men and women, but in practice it does not. It's hypocrisy must be exposed and confronted for all to see.
Buddy if you don’t like it then change it. My votes for LSA will go to people that promote the change. Democracy is at the core of this religion. If we don’t do anything, nothing will happen.
Being on the House of Justice is a life of sacrifice and responsibility. It’s nothing anyone would actually want unless they had to because they were voted. This is a mercy to women. Being on the House of Justice would require them to neglect their children which isn’t just to ask of them.
Bahai's believe that their 19th century teachings will guide the world until the 29th century (1000+ years), but already they are looking dated on everything from science to women's rights to minority rights to lgbqt+ rights. So although it's relatively less old, it's still outdated@@burnttoast1076
@@burnttoast1076yes. The writings were made in the 19th century so Morals really would go along with the people of the time. I believe somewhere in out writings it states something like arson is punishable by death (unsure, you can fact check me) which was morally acceptable in that era but not in todays standard.
Dear friend, I am a woman and I know my important role in the society. As a woman and a mother I had left my occupation that I went to school for 6 years juat to be able to stay home and nurish my children instead of handing them to a nany. Do not get me wrong, I am not questioning working mother who have to leave their children at home with a nany or a daycare. I believe the universal House of Justice's duties are beyond imaginations, and in many cases they have to be in meetings for hours and hours; as a woman I am glad to not be part of this divine institude becauae I have to raise members who are going to serve at the Universal House of Jistice. I wish you would have done some more research because the same Abdullah has mentioned " if a family has a boy and a girl and does not have enough income to send both school, they must send the daughter."
Your talking about something you don't understand. There is a reason for the members on the Universal House of Justice being men. It takes all of a person's time. How could an expectant mother serve for example? Or if her child is sick? Mother's are the first educators of children. There are reasons for men serving only at the Universal House of Justice. Women serve at the local and national levels of the Bahaii Faith on many levels. Who are you to judge the Laws of GOD??? Man is a servant.
Human reality is not matter of mathematical precision, therefore the language for this purpose is more complex than the simpleness of linear logics/mathematics. Absolute gender equality is absurd. But women can have now any profession, but being a member of the UHJ is not a profession nor a personal right, you don't go to the university to receive the profession of being member of the UHJ. In the field of strict personal and individual development, women have the same rights as men. If these excepcional differences in gender roles are strongly supported and founded on scientific facts ( which are very close to be proved so), there's no strong reason to deny or renegade from this. It's not about women's intelligence ( women are very intelligent), it's something else!
For a woman to be barred from being on the highest governing body of the faith is really telling. Imagine if black people were barred from being on the UHJ, would that not be prejudice and racism? you're hypocritical and for you to try and justify such a law is frankly shameful.
@@heyayup Absolute gender equality is a dogma of this time. There is certain social destabilization when women incarnate the symbol of highest authority, men lose attractiveness and respectability in the eyes of women... it's a biological fact of our species. If women have all the rest of rights, it's more than enough.
Stop making excuses for the fact that the Baha'i Faith has no women on the UHJ because it's an outdated 19th century religion founded by a polygamist who had outdated ideas about women and revealed verses which were chauvinistic. Like this quote from the Lawh-i-Tahib "Say: O Friends! Apprehensiveness and agitation pertaineth unto women." Disgusting.
I'm a young Baha'i youth watching this, and I think this is an excellent point. I definitely understand where you are coming from and can't wait to discuss this with my class, as it's a great discussion topic. I hope you do your research too :)
Arash Aram Religion is man made. But belief in Christ is simply belief in god. Jesus was the word of god, he said “why dost thou call me good, only god is good” he called himself the good shepherd meaning he was god because he was talking about himself. Wether you believe in god or not my point! Is that yes religions are created from man but Christ never said go to a Catholic Church, synagogue, Mormon church, mosque. He only said believe in me and you will be free and have eternal life.
Thus is obvious false prophet, second coming of Christ, where is the rapture...just another copy of the Islamic religion...where is that dajjal, mahdi and their fake Jesus Isa...
First of all ! Sorry you got fooled to sign up for a fake dating site so then you can come and take your anger on the Bahai faith! Second women are rather relieved from the burden of serving the universal house of jutice due to its level of engagement and responsibilities which can overshadow other responsibilities such as motherhood. Women can serve as members of national assemblies. That might also change in the future
What would make you think every women wants to be a mother? Why do you think it would be a burden it’s 2021 women work just as hard as men if not harder. Seems like an excuse to me to not have women in power 🤷🏾♀️
@@ladydede88 you can compare it to Islam and Catholicism and tell me if any of those religions even come close to Bahai faith with respect to the equality of men and women. You cant even divorce your husband if you are a catholic or will be equivalent to 1/3 of a man if you are a muslim! Seems like a black friday deal to me! Pick your poison!
@@ladydede88 that wasnt a good question either. If women got more freedom during the past 50 years, you cant compare that freedom to 150 or 1500 or 2000 years ago. again you have your choices so does everybody else!
@@rkashef1 but this religion is saying that all are equal while at the same time making sure women dont have a powerful position at the top. So then they’re not equal. Because someone was born with a Vag they’re not allowed to be at the top. So how are they saying their religion is one thing but within the religion it’s a totally different things. Don’t make Excuses for BS
It makes sense to question this if you're viewing this through the lens of an agnostic or atheist, but I would think it hypocritical to point this as a major negative if you're a follower of virtually any religion. Here for example is an excerpt from the New Testament “Accompanying Jesus were the Twelve and some women who had been cured of evil spirits and infirmities” (Luke 8:2). One of the Bab's disciples (The Letter of the Living) was a woman.
Dead right. I commented about that too, all major religions preach their own 'equality between the sexes', to call *one* out as false for misaligning with your definition of equality isn't sensical. What about the Catholic Church? Women can't be Priests, Cardinals, Bishops or God forbid the Pope. They can't hold religious institutional power either. Or Islam, or Hinduism, or Buddhism? They all differ in their 'equality' between the sexes, with different, select jobs allocated to each (and 90% of the time women can't involve themselves in politics either). To be fair, it isn't the worst 'debunking' I've ever heard, but it just isn't thought through 😂
Since when has Christianity been thought to preach equality? Sure many Christians do but I've not heard it pronounced as a tenant of the faith like Bahai's claim to (some even claiming this as one of its unique benefits). Being 1800 years younger, it should go without saying that incongruities in text should be cleared up but in reality, the derivative works are mostly platitudes made to sound profound with grandiose word choice and poor sentence structure.
Men and women are equal in the sight of God. They have different functions like a knife and spoon, you don't eat soup with a knife or cut meat with a spoon. The Universal House of Justice, not the Universal House of Compassion. You will know in the future why men serve on that body. 'Abdu'L-Baha says it will be as clear as the sun at high noon. The greatest service to humanity is to raise good happy children. UHJ is a function of the Administrative Order.
It sounds like the bottom line for you is that it's the function of women to give birth to and raise babies, which would give them no time or reason to serve in a position of authority. And the notion that women aren't capable of administering justice because they're too compassionate is really sexist.
As a former LSA member and homefront pioneer, I recommend not listening to Janet. When people are in a cult, they cannot think for themselves. I escaped after 7 years of falling for the lies and manipulation. Their "package" looks good on the outside, but they are poison to the core on the inside.
If this video was in Persian I would leave a very unfriendly comment. I am Iranian and a secular person and mean criticism of religion is one of the most important duties we have. I criticize Christianity and Islam regularly, but never the Baha'i faith. Why? Because my main reason for my critique is to safeguard people from religion. In Iran today, Baha'is are under extreme oppression by an Islamic regime. So, criticizing the Baha'i faith is helping the regime. When it is said, I don't know the Baha'i laws that much that I can comment on such issues. But, if this is the only wrongdoing of Baha'is concerning women's rights, I think it is not that big a problem that determines women's rights in the religion.
equality of rights, not equality of responsibilities. The duty of membership of the UHJ is consider a responsibility in this time and age by God and given to men ... like the responsibility of be able to give birth, given to women not men.... men should not complain ... lol
how about promoting awareness then "lies". negative thoughts trying to justify other negative things you perceive.... how ignorant of you. spread love as we do love you and everyone.
Loads of negative thoughts in the Baha'i Faith. Wasn't it a little nasty how Ba-Hoo-lah called the Bab's rightful successor a "dog" and other mean things?
As I see it, the reason why women can't serve on the UHJ is a purely practical one, and it has to do with motherhood. Service on the UHJ involves a consecration and a workload that the rest of us can't even imagine, and this means that the members of the House do not have much time for family life. If women served on the UHJ then their children would be neglected by their mother, and this would be a very sad situation and unacceptable in the Bahá'í Faith. Also, in the event of childbirth these female members would become unavailable to the House - another unacceptable situation. Since men and women share the same intellectual and spiritual capabilities these problems are completely avoidable by letting the men just do this job on their own. People who wish to 'climb the social ladder' do not belong on the UHJ ( or in the Bahá'í administrative system ) in the first place.
+Gorpur thats just typical sexism we expect from islamic religions like the bahai. By your logic women should just stay home and raise babies, right? You are saying women should not be president, or CEO cuz they need time to raise babies?
+Jerkster The Bahá'í Faith is the only religion I know of that has the equality of the sexes and the emancipation of women as one of its basic principles. Women should be free to pursue any career they choose and I certainly believe that they are able to be both presidents and CEOs and have/raise babies at the same time.
Gorpur Did you not watch this video? Baha'is are lying about believing in Equality. They forbid women from their top leadership (UHJ). Equality is just a campaign slogan they use but their writings places strict restrictions on women
+Jerkster Yes, I have watched the video, but have you studied the teachings of the Bahá'í faith? The Bahá'í faith actually also discriminates against men. For instance, parents are instructed to favor their daughters when it comes to education. Can you imagine the implications of this if it became universally practiced? The women would take over - and I believe that this is exactly the intention! The only restrictions on women are that they can't serve on the UHJ and in the military. There is no official reason as to why women can't be on the UHJ, but we're told that it's an obvious one. In my first comment above I try to describe the one obvious reason I have observed.
Exactly! I know several Baha'is and they are brainwashed. I've asked several Bahai's the same question and they give me the same scripted answer. They also told me they are taught to not fight back when someone is challenging their doctrine/faith.Not only that but their doctrine is a spin off of other religions and has several holes. For example, progressive revelation... in their system there are different manifestations of God during different periods of time. Each manifestation is considered by the Bahai's to be appropriate for its time. Well this can't be true because the manifestations believe different things. Moses = ONE personal God, Krishna= mix of polytheism & impersonal pantheism, Zoroaster=religious dualism one good God and one bad God, Buddha= essentially agnostic, Confucius= polytheistic, Muhammad= ONE personal God who can't have a son, Jesus Christ= ONE personal God who does have a son, and Baha'u'llah= God and the universe, which is emanation of God, are co-eternal. This belief implies that the manifestations can contradict themselves or that God's own nature is contradictory, that is, that God is both one God and many gods, that God is both able and not able to have a son, both personal and impersonal, etc...then the Bahai concept of God is reduced to meaninglessness.
@@celliseven Can you not see they come at different times, its the day and age thats different! Spiritually they all same the same thing! Bahaullah says. "The All-Knowing Physician hath His finger on the pulse of mankind. He perceiveth the disease, and prescribeth, in His unerring wisdom, the remedy. Every age hath its own problem, and every soul its particular aspiration. The remedy the world needeth in its present-day afflictions can never be the same as that which a subsequent age may require. Be anxiously concerned with the needs of the age ye live in, and center your deliberations on its exigencies and requirements" Bahaullah
@@triggerhapp0990 I understand that the manifestations come at different times according to Bahai theology. What you do not understand is the manifestations all contradict each other. THEY ALL CLAIM SOMETHING DIFFERENT, IT MAKES ZERO SENSE!!!!! I believe what I wrote is too much for you to process. Please go back and reread what I wrote so you can understand what I am saying. Bahai's are a pseudo Christian cult period. Bahai's accept Jesus as a manifestation. However, Bahai's do not accept a bodily resurrection, they only accept a spiritual resurrection. Therefore, Bahai's do not accept Jesus completely. Listen I have done my investigating on Bahai's for close to ten years. You are nice people who are lost and mislead. The Bahai religion my friend is a false religion. Sorry to be so forward but I am not going to tickle your ears and tell you things you want to hear. You have lots of learning to do. Open your mind and stop being brainwashed. You have a false sense of identity and community. I guarantee you if you studied the absolute truth (the bible) with an open heart then the truth would be revealed. You would understand the Bahai faith is wrong and your so called community would crumble.
Actually women are very much active participants in the administration of the Baha'i faith. Also Baha'u'llah said that if a family had few material assets and could for example only afford to pay for one of their children to be educated, then they should favour the daughter as she will be the mother who often has the primary relationship with the children. The membership of the Universal House of Justice as being for men could well be a mystical basis, we're told that in time it will become clear why. I suggest that if your interest in the validity of this Baha'i Faith is sincere, look at the life of Baha'u'llah, read and meditate on His writings, using both your head and your heart. I wish you well
False. No women sits on the Bahai Universal House of Justice. No women allowed! "In time it will be revealed why only MEN can hold positions of power in Bahai faith". Cmon thats wishy washy thinking. The time to act is now. There's not future revelations. Everything is in the here and now. Bahaulla was likely suffering from mental disease when he had these delusions tell him he was some manifestation of God. Thats narcissistic. It didnt come true. All world religions are NoT under bahai, as he wanted. Bahais will never be sucessful at converting all other global faiths to bahai. It will never happen.
Which religion speaks openly of equality yet you can find flaws in the scripts or daily execution? Same as why "are there no female imams"? If a spiritual journey is interrupted by this, why do women still go to work knowing they're usually paid less at work than their male colleagues? Why do women still choose to get married when the old tradition is: marriage = children (yet some choose not to have kids). Good point for discussion, nevertheless.
I’m not a Baha’i but this is a low blow. Men and women are equal, not identical. They can have separate roles with equal power but different responsibilities. I hate arguments like this. They’re the only way for people to discredit Islam and now I see them using it for this religion too. Please be more scientific and constructive. Religion is a big topic, don’t knit-pick.
Of course men and women are not identical, but EQUALITY is about giving the different sexes the same opportunities to do what they are indeed capable of doing. Surely you cannot believe that women are not just as capable of leadership as men! Even Muslim countries like Pakistan have had female leaders. Thanks for the insult to my intelligence! You'd be a great propaganda writer, with your phony rhetoric.
Why don’t you read the Bible? It’s literally about Jesus? His words are recorded in that Book. Literally. Words He spoke. The very words the Christian Church is founded on
FYI Baha'i is not lying nor violate the right or quality of women is it the Baha'i Law for the Institution of the Universal House of Justice only and we can not question GOD but obey His Will.
I am not of this faith - I am a Christian - however - I find it necessary to point out that equality doesn’t mean what you think it does We are all equally important- we are all equally valuable - but we have roles - women are better at certain things because of our God given nature - and men are better at other things because of their nature - also there are many things we are all good at - A open minded view at human nature would make this very clear
This guy is very inconsistent. In the beginning of the video he moans about distorting a word to promote a certain belief and chat site he couldnt access. But only later on he gives a very dilluted criticism of the Bahai faith. Just one of these internet trolls. Was never interested in this so called bahai 'faith' which is a new age religion.
Our Faith is in its early stage, as we have just blossomed and many are drawn to a materialistic life. So yes there are many flaws, and much to learn. Btw I'm a female Baha'i and I'm more than happy.
"Our Faith is in its early stage," -- Isn't it about time to get a move on? You people are not even wearing squirrel fur or sable yet! (The original Aqdas instructed you to do it, not just saying "you may...") You're not even branding thieves on the forehead yet! (Or "marking" them.) Isn't it time to really "blossom" and begin falcon hunting properly? Too bad there is nothing in your thousand-year-dispensation "Book Of Laws" about: Pornography, transexualism, genetic engineering, economics, technology, medical ethics or euthanasia, industrialization, pollution, banking or usury -- or MOST of the dire, huge questions facing man now or later.
Joke women are not allowed to be head or main power of any religion There are also in the bible quotes that say woman cannot become a priest or pastor but there are nuns who are never equal to make priest and father also its banned in islam and judaism woman can guide another woman to prayer and faith and fast but never will be allowed as governing body or head in any religion
Hi there, I hope this helps: Women are exempt from serving on the Universal House of Justice, not prohibited. Women are also exempt from serving in military, fasting during pregnancy, breastfeeding, and menstruation. (My own reflections from studying the Faith). An excerpt: “As regards the constitution of the House of Justice, Bahá'u'lláh addresses the men. He says: "O ye men of the House of Justice!" But when its members are to be elected, the right which belongs to women, so far as their voting and their voice is concerned, is indisputable. When the women attain to the ultimate degree of progress, then, according to the exigency of the time and place and their great capacity, they shall obtain extraordinary privileges. Be ye confident on these accounts. His Holiness Bahá'u'lláh has greatly strengthened the cause of women, and the rights and privileges of women is one of the greatest principles of 'Abdu'l-Bahá. Rest ye assured! Ere long the days shall come when the men addressing the women, shall say: 'Blessed are ye! Blessed are ye! Verily ye are worthy of every gift. Verily ye deserve to adorn your heads with the crown of everlasting glory, because in sciences and arts, in virtues and perfections ye shall become equal to man, and as regards tenderness of heart and the abundance of mercy and sympathy ye are superior.” From a Tablet to an individual believer - translated from the Persian, published in Paris Talks: Addresses given by 'Abdu'l-Bahá in Paris in 1911-1912, p. 182-84 [23]
Dear sir, the members of UHJ are not concidered to be the highest. Individualy they not only show the most humbleness but in fact innerly they feel the most humble. In Bahai religion there is no such thing as ranking within individual Bahai's they are all equal. However there is an exception made on those called the Hands Of The Couse. In ranking they are higher than other Bahai's. Hands Of The Causes were a mix of men and women! Take for example the hand of the couse Ruhiyyih Khanoom. The members of UHJ used to ask her for advise. I can garanty you, if a Bahai would think of climbing high in rank and therefore having ambition to be in UHJ he would never be elected, because being humble means willing to be as dust under the foots of others to serve... I have meny arguments to give but to keep short, let me tell as the last one here, within Bahai religion is the most high en valuble task the task of education, where women are concidered to be honored to be the fist educators of their children. Immagin this law of equal rights to gender was revealed 175 years ago in the most dark place of the earth in Iran where equality of gender was far far to search. Nowhere in the world it was not only not accepted but far from immagination.
You're very naive in thinking that those who rise through to a high "rank", as you put it, are always free of ambition. I have heard with my own ears very active and widely known Baha'is boast in private that they are widely known, have been invited to exclusive events with other high ranked Baha'is, that their photos have appeared in Baha'i publications, that they have been on a stage to play an instrument, have completed many Ruhi books, etc. I've heard widely known Baha'is boast that their new converts will "do anything I tell them to do", while writing letters to institutions to list their accomplishments. I could go on and on. Sadly these are the people who often rise to the top because others are too busy practicing humility, selflessness, and overlooking faults. Sociopaths love the faith.
Nader Jan, then why are women forbidden from being on the highest governing body? Imagine if black people were forbidden from becoming President, would that not be racist?
YES YOU ARE RIGHT BUT THE WRITINGS OF BAHA U LLAH SAY THE REASON WILL BE EXPLAINED TO US IN THE FUTURE BUT THE HOUSE OF JUSTICE IS ONLY ONE BRANCH OF THE FAITH WOMEN SERVE ON MANY OTHERS IN FACT THE FAITH SAYS IF YOU CAN ONLY AFFORD ONE CHILD TO BE EDUCATED THEN IT MUST BE A GIRL
The Universal House of Justice is the HIGHEST! It's suspicious for women to be forbidden from the highest governing body. "Explained to us" is not a good reason for discrimination and prejudice
In any religion people should focus on the transcendental not the mundane because that’s not what it’s there for. Your physical means nothing every religion is a code embedded into the universe if you don’t see that and know how to use it you have absolutely nothing
Notice Baha'is are utterly and completely focused on the mundane, the World, outer conditions. They are obsessed about "the world" night and day. They are anti-mystical (weird how that turned out considering how mystical was The Bab) and it's in mysticism that you go within, and learn about God behind mind, behind creation. The Baha'i focus on The World is one of the 40 reasons I left the Baha'i Faith after 13 years.
When we are vast, we have room for everyone, even those with whom we disagree with... Therefore, we must now, it is time, the time has come: for us to step into our vastness...
Good for your own health , living and so on . God Has His Own Purpose for human being which we ourselves cannot figure it out to the greatest knowledge of human itself .
Thanks for your polite reply. It appears to me that your views however justified from your own personal perspective are mounded by others who may not be as concerned with truth as you yourself are at pains to point out. These other people who share your observations have a less objective aim in mind. They seek to discredit the Baha'i Faith entirely and that is in itself unfortunate as they will never be able to succeed as others in the not too distant past have attempted to do and also failed. A more intellectually honest approach would be to reject the whole religious experience from Judaism to Islam including Christianity because from your particular perspective they have all failed to live up to their own teachings or have elements in their history as equally disturbing if not more so than what you have presumably uncovered in the Bahai Community. It is better to profess no faith at all then to not live up to what your faith demands from you. So why not give up ranting about Baha'i failings and devote your life to something more urgent and important such as climate change, poverty or social injustice?
"A more intellectually honest approach would be to reject the whole religious experience from Judaism to Islam including Christianity because from your particular perspective they have all failed to live up to their own teachings or have elements in their history as equally disturbing if not more so than what you have presumably uncovered in the Bahai Community. " You are indeed correct! I know of someone who attacked the Baha'i Faith and then was found to be a dishonest apologist for Christianity. That's like condemning arsenic, a poisonous metal, and replacing it with mercury, which is also a poisonous metal! "So why not give up ranting about Baha'i failings and devote your life to something more urgent and important such as climate change, poverty or social injustice?" One can focus on many different topics and issues at the same time. Indeed, I have addressed many such issues and topics over the years. This sounds like special pleading, which is fallacious.
Dear Dale, while searching for a specific video on The Baha'is today I came across your video platform. I have taken a good look at what you are offering your viewers and am familiar with almost every one of the accusations you are putting forward in order to discredit Baha'i belief. I also maybe surprising to yourself despite being a Baha'i of long standing applaud your attempt at openness and honesty. I also share your disappointment in the way some of these conflicts were dealt with and in some cases hidden from general view. The Baha'i Faith like anything else is subject to human failings as it is essentially composed of humans regardless of any claims to the contrary. However if you were to investigate this faith more thoroughly and in much greater depth you would soon come to realise that despite its own failings it is still the best hope for humanity compared to the alternatives which of course you are now wholly free to investigate. Truth is extremely important as is also equality as you have so eloquently pointed out. I wish you well in your new found freedom. I would also welcome your ideas on what can be done to achieve these high hopes in the future if you ever manage to find the perfect solution which you are still presumably trying to find.
I do not dispute that the Baha'i Faith has done some good in the world; otherwise I would never have become a follower of it in the 1990s. But there is no excuse for tolerating leadership that is simply not legitimate. Baha'u'llah specifically stated that a younger half-brother of Abdu'l-Baha, Muhammad-Ali, would be the successor of his brother. Instead, Abdu'l-Baha disobeyed Baha'u'llah by appointing his grandson Shoghi Effendi to the leadership. Then Shoghi Effendi died without appointing a successor of his own as Abdu'l-Baha commanded. The Universal House of Justice was then set up with no Guardian at its head, something Shoghi Effendi himself said should not happen. More to the point....why didn't Abdu'l-Baha appoint a DAUGHTER after him instead of insisting on a grandSON who was only 21 years old? When only men are allowed to rule a religion, and those men have questionable credentials, we have only hypocrisy. The solution for Baha'is everywhere is to ditch the entire Administrative Order that was built up since the 1920s and start over.......but that is extremely unlikely.
@@thomasramez6699 excuse me, don't ask me for what is common knowledge among Baha'is themselves. The problem is that most Baha'is are brainwashed to think that the contradictions and hypocrisies of the leadership of their Faith is somehow acceptable.
Sounds like you have a lot of holes in history , context and specially about the Will and Testament of Bahá’u’lláh. This issue of women on the UHJ is a test for you just as in the previous dispensation with Noah’s arc or when Mohammad changed the Qiblih was To test the believers in their Faith . How to measure “equality “? What is “power”? God did not make us the same … some blessing were given uniquely to women . For instance; we get to create a new life in our wombs - the bond between an infant and their mother is far superior to a man who was never given that right or privilege . There’s wisdom far beyond a white male’s lens to understand (no offense ) why in this Dispensation, this was the law . Perhaps it has to do with the international relations and responsibilities and reconciling that with motherhood? This is not about electioneering to be on this institution. It’s serve. No one makes money or gains prestige or power from serving of this institution. It must be hard and daunting too. Perhaps it is a burden for men to carry after millennia of injustice they created; Now they are to labor for global justice .. and Because in this Faith there’s promise that this is a Day that shall not be followed by night, there will be always guidance . Perhaps it is even deeper than that and we will understand more in the future… ; It is short sighted to equate this with some sort of a “lie “ ! Please recall Tahirih’s position , Bahiyyeh Khanum, Martha Root and the women Hands of the Cause…. They had authority as individuals. ʻAbdu’l-Bahá put the reigns of leading and building the first Bahai House of Worship In the hands of women, to the surprise and dismay of men. They were given authority. I wish you well with your spiritual journey and respect your investigative approach. Bahá’u’lláh welcomed that . This is not a Faith of coercion and blind followers
I have no idea what you are referring to. And since I don't believe in the Bible any more than I believe in the Baha'i Faith, your challenge is pointless.
Hi Dale Husband ! As an Investigator of Truth, who participated in Baha'i Faith, including on 3 LSAs, for over 29 years, even tho the book FAITH WITHOUT DOGMA had been my favorite book in high school, and my innate leanings were far more Oriental/Taoist/Buddhist, I had never really Fit, and certain phrases and passages in the Writings felt like thorns in my sides. After reading more David Icke, and then, listening to John Lamb Lash, every day for over a year, I felt I had redeemed my True Self. Actually, it only took me a few weeks for those "thorns" to pop out and away, and my eyes to clear enuf to bow Out of Baha'i Faith, by formally withdrawing (as a member). I applaud your excellent use of Logic, and the quality of your presentations. Today, I watched: The Fatal Flaw of Baha'i Authority, Baha'i Scandals...(and one other). I hadn't known all the facts you included, and appreciate(d) them, very much, agreeing wholeheartedly with your conclusions. THANK You, Dale ! It was the spiritual principle of The Independent Investigation of Truth that had appealed to me enuf for me to have become a Baha'i . (I was born on the Cusp of Sensitivity, the Aquarius-PIsces Cusp, which Mother Earth, Gaia SOPHIA is on, now; and I Think like an Aquarius. I agree with Alan Watts about that principle being what makes Faith "a Swim". ) I soon came to discover, however, that Baha'is were expected to turn to the Writings about everything, and "God forbid" questioning Them, in any way. The other bits that were like thorns in my sides were the warnings that woe to those of us who think of or experience ourselves as "co-creators"; or who worship Nature; AND, perhaps most of all, the fact that "Baha'i Faith came 'out of the ground of Islam'", when JLL makes CLEAR the "Islam is The Deal Breaker" ! So, I returned 4 large totes full of Baha'i books to the Baha'is, without even a closure letter to them...or to Baha'i Nat'l Center, explaining why I was, formally, withdrawing. I FEEL that David Icke is RIGHT to advise humanity to turn away from any religion that says one will fall into the fires of hell if s/he disobeys "God's" Laws. Like Simon Parkes, I AM Now Clear that I believe in GOD, but not the "God" of the churches. and I agree and FEEL/THINK that Baha'i Faith IS, indeed, part of the Globalist's NWO Agenda. Love and Blessings to you, Dale Husband, and All SOPHIA's Luminous Children, who have and exercize the Courage to LOVE TRUTH, and investigate it for themselves in their own ways. Yours in peace, woodlawnmermaid@hughes.net
But the Bahai faith has 12 major great unifying principles(unity of religions,education for all,removal of poverty etc etc) so how can they eventually twist that to their advantage as NWO Globalist agenda (if it's true) I don't get it?
You need to learn how to spell things correctly before making random unintelligent comments about a major Faith. Please look up how enough is spelled for example.
*"Find out what made-up invisible God or glorified religious figure a person has been fooled & indoctrinated to consider sacred & if you follow the sacredness you will find a ring of motivated ignorance, intellectual dishonesty & dogma as well as a constant urge to play mental acrobats to defend the sacredness."*
32000 views! Thank you for sharing this beautiful faith, even though you are incorrect about almost everything about it. That’s 32000 that might never have heard of it.
That's one of the dumbest things you could have said. Your inability to deal with your fake culture is not my fault. Sometimes stupidity is its own worst punishment.
All religions have been influenced by surrounding culture. All religions have been giving up sacred parts as dues to integrate into their environment. And that includes idle worshipping symbols in monotheistic religions and so many more examples.
Baha'I Faith concern and speak most about our inner being (soul), its not only being equal physical but it also concerns our spiritual being; like bible says "I have made thee the image of my own; whom does it refer to man or woman. It concerns our inner being. Stop seeing it from one side and start to get it right.
The answer to the question of why women do not serve on the Universal House of Justice is found in the Kitab-i-Aqdas (The Most Holy Book) revealed by Baha’u’llah in 1873 : “O ye Men of Justice! Be ye, in the realm of God, shepherds unto His sheep and guard them from the ravening wolves that have appeared in disguise, even as ye would guard your own sons. Thus exhorteth you the Counsellor, the Faithful.”
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Your interpretation is interesting and I thought about this exact point and reached the same conclusion for a bit. Until you look a investigate a little further. Then you realize that equal doesn’t mean for same. For example there is a quote where in certain regards women is superior to man. I think the flaw with you interpretation is that you take the word equal at face value. If it would be equal opportunities, then men could give birth, which they can’t, and bringing forward life is the highest form of worship. So i think that even though you feel like you found a big contradiction or so called lie, i just think that you haven’t investigated enough and considered all the possible aspects. Now if this is the conclusion you reached, great. I’m just shunning a different view as I myself was greatly interested in this matter. Ofcoarse we can theorize about what if and the fact is we have not had many women leaders, and the ones we have have resigned due to stress (new zeland, slovakia etc) maybe that is something that will become clearer as the wider specteum of gender euqality levels out and we might get to see the meaning behind this exact practice
Men and women have very different functions in nature, as nature. No amount of intellectualizing, imagining or desiring is going to change reality, and natural survival mechanisms.
You are actually delusional to assume that what is between one's legs has anything to do with abilities of leadership. That's ABOVE the neck, of course.
In my 13 years active in this fake religion (very active), I saw that Baha'is are extremely status conscious. There's the glamorous big shots and there are the mousy plebes. It's very hard for a mousy small town plebe to become a glamorous Baha'i bigshot. Also, doctors, lawyers, and PhD's are the Baha'i Faith's de facto elite, as a group. Those ones, primarily, are placed into prestigious or leadership positions. Talking 'bout The Baha'i Faith.
Becoming a member of the UHJ is not at all climbing the social ladder, In Bahai faith. Its not a prestigious role for any of the humble members to enjoy, but a tremendous responsibility on their shoulders and the reason women can not be appointed will reveal in the future, as the sun in daylight. All Bahais trust and abelieve this is no discrimination whatsoever. Because we understand teachings of Bahaullah in dept, not superficially, and believe there is a very good reason for it which is not revealed yet.
Being a Member of the House of Justice is NOT climbing the social ladder. UHJ is The Institution in itself and not it's members. Members of the House of Justice don't have any power at all and are considered asbany member of the community trying to be a better person each year as individuals. A member of the UHJ can't tell any member of the Faith what to do or what not to do. Only the Institution can say, unlike Priest, Pastors or Mullahs. And if you truly investigate the history of the Bahá'í faith you'll find that women played a much more important role in the darkest moments of The Bahá'í Fairh and kept the world community united and directed the global efforts to keep teaching and devoloping. From Tahirih, to Bahiyyih Hanum, to Amatul Bahá, to the countless women Counsellors and Auxiliary Board Members, women in The Bahá'í Faith are the driving force in teaching and administrative endeavours. But there is no climbing the social ladder in the culture of The Bahá'í Faith. I can understand your concern but your conclusion is wrong and misleading.
Full 100% equality of outcomes is fascism. The only way in which it's not equal is in the realm of the UHJ. Which needs 9 members to reach unanimous vote. With women who can get pregnant this raises a serious issue.
***** This is true and I only speculate. This is however and issue whether it be the reason or not. I have other idea's but these are far too controversial too make mention of.
***** Well I enjoy seeking the truth through dialogue and investigation. Maybe in this way it will be revealed... did you ever think about that? I only discuss this however with a select few who are willing and use specific scientific inquiry e.g. evolutionary psychology and biology. So I don't allow any Baha'i to stifle my opinion or the search for truth. This is the nature of the inquisitive mind. I am also Baha'i in case you were wondering.
Women are exempt from serving, not prohibited. Women are also exempt from serving in military, fasting during pregnancy, breastfeeding, and menstruation. “As regards the constitution of the House of Justice, Bahá'u'lláh addresses the men. He says: "O ye men of the House of Justice!" But when its members are to be elected, the right which belongs to women, so far as their voting and their voice is concerned, is indisputable. When the women attain to the ultimate degree of progress, then, according to the exigency of the time and place and their great capacity, they shall obtain extraordinary privileges. Be ye confident on these accounts. His Holiness Bahá'u'lláh has greatly strengthened the cause of women, and the rights and privileges of women is one of the greatest principles of 'Abdu'l-Bahá. Rest ye assured! Ere long the days shall come when the men addressing the women, shall say: 'Blessed are ye! Blessed are ye! Verily ye are worthy of every gift. Verily ye deserve to adorn your heads with the crown of everlasting glory, because in sciences and arts, in virtues and perfections ye shall become equal to man, and as regards tenderness of heart and the abundance of mercy and sympathy ye are superior.” From a Tablet to an individual believer - translated from the Persian, published in Paris Talks: Addresses given by 'Abdu'l-Bahá in Paris in 1911-1912, p. 182-84 [23]
Hello I'm from Philippines and I'm a Baha'i for almost 4 yrs.I just want to give you a clarrification about the Baha'is one of the principle" The Equality of Men and Women". Your question is why does Universal House of Justice doesnt allow to be part of it? Well to answer you that question is first we need to understand that the men and women are not the same in body's condition but yet the same opportunities as Baha'is teach. I mean that the men and women are not the same when it comes to body's condition like menstruation. Like for example: If one of the member is women and she was elected. When there is an important meeting or consultation, women are usually do that excuses for sure to be not able to join.. Sir..We are talking here an important role of the Faith as a highest responsibility. And also the House Of Justice was one of Baha'u'llah's Will and Testament in a way of clear election By National Spiritual Assembly.. to protect and guide the Baha'is nowadays.
Indeed, it has become clear.....Baha'u'llah was as sexist as most of his contemporaries in the Middle East. It was Abdu'l-Baha who introduced the principle of "equality of men and women".......which he stole from western liberal politics.
@@DaleHusband Baháʼu'lláh was a staunch advocate for women rights! One of the major principles of the Bahai faith is equality of men and women. Open your heart and read the words of Baháʼu'lláh again.
@@triggerhapp0990 STOP TROLLING ON MY CHANNEL! Unless you are indeed a teenager in your parents' basement, I suggest you act like an adult and MOVE ALONG!
@@DaleHusband Yes, he did. And 'Abdu'l-Baha had gotten connected to a lot of rich, White western suffragette females in the east coast. There was money there. Thus next, "the equality of men and women." It looks pretty absurd considering what it was before.
You have to study and investigate, so as not to fall into false ideas like the ones presented by this man. One of the teachings of the Bahá'í Faith: is The Free Investigation of Truth. We cannot state facts without having done a serious investigation of the case. Therefore I give my life for what this man says is totally infamous and lacks truth. Please investigate and respect.
What false ideas have I stated? And don't you think I did my own studying and investigating, resulting in the video above? Quit insulting the intelligence of others!
@@DaleHusband You have not investigated anything, since in those 4 minutes you only say lies, there is no serious case, you do not know the reason for not having women in the Universal House of Justice. I don't know what happened to you and the Bahá'ís, but what you say in that infamous video is unfounded. Everything has a reason for being, within the Bahá'í administration there are more women with an important participation than the men themselves; and if you have investigated a little about the Faith, you will know that in it there are no figures of priests, clergymen, pastors, rabbis or any type of leader, since each and every one of us is a participant in the construction of a new world that is divinely ordained thanks to the teachings of God sent through His Holiness Bahà'u'llàh. Hopefully one day you can remove from your eyes the clouds that stand between your sight and the sun of truth. God is the Most Glorious.
@Renata Souza What is the truth? What is the lie? What do our ears want to hear? What do we want to convince us? Are videos like this true? Where should I investigate? I only know that the world is plagued by people with erroneous ideas, with harmful dogmas, senseless prejudices and endless things that would be endless lines to list them. Every time I realize that what His Holiness Jesus said today more than ever is a reality -'because evil has multiplied, the love of many will grow cold...'- I only hope in God, the clouds that get in the way can dissipate between our sights and the sun of Truth. God is the most Glorious!
Words have been used for many uses. Why even bother with Metaphores or Similies. Just as images have meanings in different contexts. Sorry Dale, you dont make sense.
One more P. S. - Dale, I Got a Lot out of your "Baha'i Scandals" video... I hadn't realized those bits, because "believers in the divine unity", who've been thoroughly brainwashed/programmed do not dare hear, see or speak such truths. I, actually, felt shocked, upon reading those behaviors of Shoghi Effendi. I did know, however, that he SMOKED ! I think you are wonderful to blow the whistle about these things.
From all Bahai teachings that’s what you got? You are nitpicking. Universal house of justice is not social latter, and by getting there you won’t gain any “power” to influence your will. I can understand there were careful consideration by looking at current state of society. If you really investigated Bahai religion AND because of this you decided it’s a lie then I can just wish you luck! And finally when you see the truth(doesn’t matter what) but choose darkness that’s a “willful refusal”, and that will have existential consequences for you which you can’t escape from (because it’s existential). I recommend watching “Dorian Grey 1973” and you will have a better understanding about what I said about truth in general. Good luck!
Given my story (in my videos and blog) as a witness to a Bahai Scandal in Milwaukie Oregon during the late 1970's and 1980's where there were at least 2 familes from multi-generational pedophiles, in the grand scheme of all that's wrong with the Bahai Faith, as weird as the disparity is between men and women's roles and how debatable the word "equality of the sexes" is This is such a non-issue: . . . Women withheld from Universal House of Justice membership is far from the obvious problem: Which is the Bahai's legacy of failing to protect children from abuse, especially sexual abuse. If there was such a thing as true "equality of the sexes" or "gender balance" or whatever: then men and women would be shapeshifting hermaphrodites and transgsenders who could easily decided whether or not they have wide shoulders, narrow hips, a dick and testicles OR wide hips, a fertile womb, pussy, mammary glands as easy as switching on or off a light switch.
+Al R - His bad language could stem from being abused by a Baha'i pedophile when he was a child. I know from experience that the Baha'i Faith also failed to protect me from a sexually abusive Baha'i man. It probably happens more than you realize, and Assemblies are not equipped to handle these situations - they seem to want to look away and ignore hard facts. There's a lot of "passing the buck" behavior in Baha'i administration. Auxiliary Board Members will tell you to go to your Local Spiritual Assemblies. These LSA's will refer matters to the National Spiritual Assemblies who will refer matters back to LSA's and in the end there is no protection for those abused by Baha'is, from Baha'i administration. Moreover, Baha'is are told that we should not ever mention the sins of others and that we shouldn't go to law enforcement because that would affect the reputation of the Baha'i Faith in a negative way. So Baha'is are able to abuse and few people ever realize what's going on. Anyhow, that's how I experienced it. Baha'i life became a depressing and frustrating experience. I don't miss it at all.
+Al R ........ don't worry about me, I'll be fine. I'm on the internet writing about the Baha'i Faith because I spent thirty years of my life as a Baha'i and it is time for me to share my information. I do this for Jesus, my Lord and Savior. I know you don't like my decision to tell people what I know about the Baha'i Faith, but I have a responsibility to do this. Just before I signed the Baha'i declaration card I read a booklet, "Prophecy Fulfilled," by Elizabeth Cheney. It was about Bible prophecies that Baha'is believe are about Baha'u'llah and the Baha'i Faith. My intent it to show that these prophecies are misunderstood by Baha'is. To this end - this week I wrote about the Valley of Achor prophecies: Isaiah 65:10 and Hosea 2:15. christianexbahai.wordpress.com/2015/09/28/bahai-prophecy-isaiah-6510-hosea-215-valley-of-achor-plain-of-sharon/ I'm not doing this out of hate for the Baha'i Faith. I'm actually doing it out of compassion for the people who are deceived by it. I too was deceived by Baha'i - like I said, I was in the religion for thirty years and it took another twelve years to recover, until I could truly say I no longer believed Baha'u'llah was speaking for God. Now I'm working for Jesus - the Jesus whose physical resurrection isn't believed by Baha'is, whose healing miracles are minimized, whose atonement is ignored, whose offer of salvation is turned away from. He truly is the Lord, and He wants all of us to be saved. This is something that can't be done through Baha'u'llah. I hope someday you will give Jesus a chance . . . so I'm having to explain, one precept, one item at a time. Jesus guides and helps me. Without Him I am nothing.
really you have been very quick in criticizing. please read the official writings of the faith in this regard. for a quick answer to your video i would recommend you to see Why no women in the Universal House of Justice?
Dear Friend, Thank you for your comment. I humbly say that I beg to differ with you. There are so many Pictures of the Master printed on book covers. If you wish I can show you many. There are so many songs and music videos that features Master's pics. And this video of Master's voice has already been uploaded by someone else also. Non Baha'is will never listen to this audio. And your comment with House's guidance is also posted there. Let us not be so narrow minded. Thank you.
If women are permitted to be members in the House, and 1 is having maternity leave, another is experiencing dysmenorrhea, another need to breastfeed a baby, another is on menopausal stress, and they cannot attend an urgent meeting, then how can the Body perform its duty as an infallible institution, if it cannot even hold a meeting. And you think membership in the House of Justice is a privilege? You are dead wrong in that sense! Do not compare Bahai institutions with the non-Baha'i. When you are elected to the House you are being called for duty, and your not there to enjoy a privilege as a right. The Supreme Body has the most challenging task and responsibility in guiding the affairs of humanity. If there are worldwide cataclysms that need urgent solutions and guidance, should the whole world wait until the women members of the House have finished their maternity leaves or get over their bouts of dysmenorrhea? Should it conduct a by-election just to replace a member o🎉n sick leave? And you require all NSAs all over the world to convene just to elect and replace a member on sick leave? What's your point? Do you know Bahai laws and Covenant? And you are questioning this law of Baha'u'llah, the Manifestation of God for today?
Considering how badly the UHJ functions with an all male membership, your point is downright ignorant. A collective body can function with one or two members missing. So why do National and Local Spiritual Assemblies allow women among their members? Can you cultists just stop with the hypocritical talking points and GROW UP already?!
@pedros.cabrales9844 So you admit that the UHJ is a weak and badly functioning body that no one should rely on, even with its all male membership? It's amazing how absolutely STUPID you Baha'is are. This is why I reject your false and worthless religion!
@pedros.cabrales9844 you Baha'is are always the one who lie and all I do, with both my UA-cam channel and my blog, is call you out on what you and your cult does. I cut through all the delusions with consistent logic, the deadly weapon against ALL cults.
I think if you discussed this matter with some Baha'i girls and women you may find this beneficial. It's good that you are investigating these sorts of questions.
That's like asking a white person to question black slaves in the early 19th Century if they liked being slaves. Of course they would say YES....to avoid being beaten by their masters! Principles are not based on what people say, but on they way things should be, period.
@@DaleHusband you’re guilty of much the same sin you condemn Baha’i for. With this statement you essentially strip millions of people of personal autonomy. You think that women are incapable of making their own decisions and coming to their own spiritual conclusions, and are mere lemmings in need of guidance by more enlightened men. You are no better.
@@malcolmpendleton9498 No, that is an absolutely ridiculous pile of assertions. I never said anything about Baha'i women being inferior to non-Baha'i men. You just made that up! People of both sexes, and all religions, can be brainwashed with bullshit and then use mental gymnastics to justify their indoctrinated dogmas. Your very comment above is a perfect example of that!
@@malcolmpendleton9498 What on earth are you talking about? First of all, you are a man. The same gender that holds all of the ultimate control and decision making power within the Universal House of Justice. Brother, although there are some attributes to the "faith" that I consider respectable, it is a cult like every other group that hides behind a religious doctrine. A doctrine meant to control people. I say this opinion as a person with 4 generations of Bahais behind me. The world will have truly moved forward when we can rid ourselves of these ridiculous ideologies that divide more than unite. I wait for the day that people are treating each other with kindness, respect and compassion because their hearts and heads motivate them to do so. Not because it is written in some dusty old book that instructs one to do so. Free yourself.
These are all efforts of people in jealousy or hate or confronting God and spreading evil to fight the true Islam and the only true religion of the Mohammedan Islam which will finally be established worldwide when Isa will return and even if the idolaters and unbelievers dislike
Hear hear. Thank you Dale. I was raised with "The Faith" all around me and well , how can I say this respectfully. Another example of cult like mentallity. As George Clinton said. "Free your mind and your ass will follow".
Some will agree that only men are to elected to be unfair and others will agree that it is not unfair. Not many will serve as part of the head at head quarters. I may never serve at that level and I’m a male. The reason this is so may elude us all. But that isn’t the point. We either wish to serve as Baha’i or not it is your choice. You are free to choose. Traditionally, we have to understand what it means when we say equality and perhaps the real reason may never be known but that won’t stop e from believing and knowing I can be free to believe in those principles which is the real reason I am here.
if you don't like to accept something,its better u say "No" than to say badwords" tongue had made by God to praise and to worship him alone not for telling some insults ...tongue is like a sword,either u can use it for good or not,anyway,Godbless!
This people its very equally same as People were born at the time were jesus was given by God..they said how come you said that you've come from the father(God).but your parents are Joseph and Mary. Literally same as this man trying to make a false decision about the bahaii...stop judge you don't know the whole story ..and who are you to judge other religion..are you the promise one prophet of the return of jesus christ 😏
Some wild claims about equality of sexes in Baha'ism: One of the most untrue and illogical statements I have ever read: Abdu'l-Baha: "The male of the animal kingdom does not glory in its being male and superior to the female. In fact, equality exists and is recognized." (`Abdu’l-Bahā, The Promulgation of Universal Peace, p. 470.) How equality works in Baha'ism: 1-Women have lowers share of inheritance than men. 2-Women have no share from living residence of deceased. 3-Women get to keep their mother's rags and old clothing but the new ones must be shared with the males. 4-Men have to pay dowry to women but not the other way around. 5-Men can have to wives but women cannot have two husbands. 6-Women cannot be part of the UHJ. 7-Women cannot be a Guardian overseeing the UHJ (matter has been resolved since Abdu'l-Baha's prophecy failed and no guardians exist anymore). 8-Men must perform Baha'i pilgrimage but women have been exempted. 9-Upbringing of children is the chief responsibility of women. 10-Baha'u'llah calls his boys branches and the girls leaves (can't even observe equality amongst his own offspring). 11-Man can take back dowry if woman is not a virgin at marriage, but if a man is not a virgin well then tough luck for the woman and she can't take back nothing. 12-Women must obey their husbands. For details see: Chapter 10: www.avazedohol.com/eng/index.php/download
+Al Fot 1-That website isn't mine. 2-The website is dedicated to giving correct information about the Baha'i cult, specially stuff that the cult administration refuses to translate to English then acts as if they are a religion. See how your cult leader calls his deniers pigs and donkeys: www.bahaibahai.com/eng/index.php/articles?layout=edit&id=86 and the repulsive view Baha'is have towards non-Baha'i schools: www.bahaibahai.com/eng/index.php/articles?id=92 have a nice day.
It sounds as if you are basing your opinion on material you've read or heard rather than participating in Baha'i community discussion. Try it. You might be surprised. On the other hand, anyone willing to make harsh assumptions without verifying their alleged facts probably won't benefit from such participation. The goal of every religion is to unify, and every messenger has stated that they are human. Doesn't change the message or the goal. Whatever you embrace as your guidance, look for the beauty within it and seek to change the hearts of humans through being the living example.
No. The purpose of Christianity is to separate the wheat from the chaff. Separate the sheep from the goats. Seperate God's children and those whose names are not written in thr Lamb's Book of Life.
Men and women are equal but have different qualities. What qualities, then, do men have, that women lack, or vice versa, that make it the law for only men to be on the UHJ?
This is often a point of discussion for those learning about the Baha'i Faith, while the word equality is used there are some qualities for which women are seen to be superior to men and Baha'i laws on education give girls priority over boys.While men and women are considered "equal" in the sight of God they still have slightly different roles, and the role of serving on the Universal House of Justice, whose members have no individual power or authority, is explicitly stated to be male only for a reason that will one day become very clear, it is absolutely clear to Baha'is that the reason is not anything to do with an inherent inequality or any notion of men being better suited to the task. In religion some laws are there as a test to our faith and devotion, we may never perceive a reason for them, at least we are promised that humankind will one day recognise a reason for this law.
I have heard that argument before, and it does not make sense. Ever heard of "doublespeak", the deceptive tactics described in George Orwell's novel "1984"?
+Al Fot Then prove me wrong with your own videos giving detailed EVIDENCE, not speculation or wishful thinking. Your lies about what I am doing mean nothing. If you were right at all, I would still be a Baha'i.
+Al Fot - Thank you Al for encouraging me not to waste my time, ironically it has made me want to write some more. I do actually feel that Dale raised a genuine concern here and that he was intending to inform rather that misinform (unlike some of the others who are commenting on this video). This is a law which 'Abdu'l-Baha assures us is "for a wisdom of the Lord God's, which will erelong be made manifest as clearly as the sun at high noon." It essentially has to be taken on faith, understood in the context of many other laws and teachings of the Faith, especially those relating to governance and equality. Mathematically, equality shows that two sides of an equation which have differing appearances actually have the same value, clearly the Baha'i vision of "full equality" does not dictate for us the same roles, there are several specific examples where men or women might appear favoured over the other, but it states that all human beings, male or female, have equal value and should therefore have "their equal sharing in all rights". While a Baha'i should understand, and believe, that service on any Baha'i institution, including the Universal House of Justice, is not a right, not something to be sought after, and does not bestow any power or authority on an individual, it is reasonable to expect that people will see this as a contradiction to the law of equality, especially if they have a more current perception of administrative roles for individuals as positions of authority. That 'Abdu'l-Baha gave the above assurance acknowledges that this law may be seen as challenging. Being, ultimately, a matter of Faith we cannot really give any evidence that it is or is not a contradiction, the best we can offer is the example of the extent to which women are serving on all other Baha'i institutions at local, national and international levels. "The world of humanity has two wings -- one is women and the other men. Not until both wings are equally developed can the bird fly." - 'Abdu'l-Baha
+Al R You are character bashing which is just what Baha'is and muslims do. You don't like his comment so you attack his person. baha'is cannot engage in healthy debate, you are either with them or their enemy. typical Islamic mindset.
I’m an airline pilot. I have friends that are woman that are airline pilots. Saying a woman cannot be with the universal house of justice because of the period (time of the month is very Islam leaning. To say Bahá’u’lláh was a messenger as Jesus was poses serious questions. Why could he not save one of his children? Why did every defendant become a Covenant Breaker. My mother is a Baha’i. We can’t have a relationship because I am not a Baha’i. I am catholic. I grew up with the Baha’i faith. My mother shuns exactly as the bylaws direct her to. I did not put it all together until I read all the material that is the original history. Bahá’u’lláh had 4 wives three were concurrent yet he teaches one wife at a time. Where was shogi afendi when he was not taking care of his duties. He was a suspected homosexual and they are not allowed in the faith Young people have the tools to find this stuff. It was hidden from me as ‘‘twas the photo of Bahá’u’lláh. To divine to gase at in you home. Give me a break. The picture looks like Charles Manson.
Shoghi Effendi outlined clearly his views on Homosexuality! You should go and read them instead of gaslighting! We all know how the catholic church treats young boys!
Whenever i meet any Bahai , then keep telling me about the (miracle) of their Bahaa, of reciting a book in Arabic in a perfect way... even though it wasn't his mother tongue. Since, Arabic is my native language.. i decided to real Kuds El Aqdas ... I couldn't really find just one sentence that is written without language mistakes ! The funniest one of them was when he said that he challenges all scientists of Arabic Language ... to write a book like his , which already had several mistakes as well !!!! Its really seems weird to me that No one has decided to learn Arabic to read this man has written !! I totally respect everyone's faith and I am not arguing about any details over here ! I am just asking all Bahaai to stop considering this as a miracle ! IT IS NOT ! My 7 years old NIECE wouldn't make such mistakes if she writes a phrase in Arabic !!
Yes and of course Baha-man was around Arabic lifelong. He grew up on the estate of the governor of Iran. (His father was a minister.) He had religious interests and his erstwhile avatar "The Bab" wrote texts in Arabic, which Baha-man obviously was reading. This is just one of the inumerable bull-s--t items with the Baha'i Faith. The list is long, and rather humorous.
Equality and Similarity are two different things. You need to think on it. Do you want a girl friend that clean shaves just like you ? Has a half bald head ?? So let natural limits and rule of collective reality be there.
Why would we label an entire religion and Faith a lie based on only one point? Any individual can voice an opinion. Do we know this man’s intent and is he giving enough information? It’s up to those listening to him and to anyone’s opinions for that matter, to be careful of how they view something before doing their own investigation of Truth. There is greater wisdom in why there are only men on the Universal House of Justice and just because of this doesn’t mean that women and men aren’t equal. Women have a higher purpose as mothers as the first educators of children, considered one of the most important services which unfortunately is often unrecognized. But as humanity progresses and matures, people will come to understand and recognize the True Message of Bahá’u’lláh’s Teachings.
But what about the squirrels? They will go extinct. Glory Man instructed his followers to "wear fur of the squirrel and ermine..." It isn't optional. He wanted his people lookin' good! Bad news! My Lord, not much "science" to the Baha'i Faith. The Bab was actually anti-science. Baha'u'llah was anti-combustion engine. When he heard about it he said: 'We have heard that an infernal engine hath been devised. Soon it's fire will consume the cities." (Destroy 'em. And they did.)
your very quick to pass judgment. the bahai administration is in its infancy and many of its facets are not put in place. it is completely possible if not probable that in the future there will be offices at the highest levels that only women can sit in. equal does not mean the same and the goal is unity in diversity. if you ever spent time in any bahai community you would know that women are treated equally with men, respected and valued.
"the bahai administration is in its infancy and many of its facets are not put in place." That is no excuse for hypocrisy at any period of time. "it is completely possible if not probable that in the future there will be offices at the highest levels that only women can sit in." Show me a single statement in the Baha'i Writings that says any such thing. I was a Baha'i for eight years. I know how they operate and I reject it as a waste of time now.
Dale Husband Good answer. I was a Baha'i for decades. Baha'is should stop saying: "the Baha'i Faith is still in its infancy" . . . it is only an excuse for not being able to do things right. If they haven't got it right after 150 years, they're not likely ever to be able to. The idea that some other opportunity will arise for women is like throwing a dog a bone to distract him.
Christian Ex-Baha'i really? so why are you a christian then? there has been alot of rape and murder done in the name of christianity if they havn't got it right in 2014 years , they're not likely ever to be able to. oh and the bible says women should be subservient to men. if inequality is the issue I think youve traded down.
supernalbjj ... thanks for asking ... I'm a Christian because I humbled myself before Jesus and was saved. I never expected to do it, but it happened. A surprise to me and everyone who knew me. The big difference between Baha'i inequality for women and the Christian inequality is that Baha'is are telling everyone they believe men and women are equal and that's a main tenet of the religion. Well, Christians aren't saying that. It appears that Baha'is are being hypocritical, saying women are equal, then having a whole different set of laws for women including unequal inheritance. I thought that hypocrisy was the main point of Dale's video. "Doublespeak" indeed. By the way, if we were to judge all religions on the actions of their adherents ALL of them would be in trouble. Let's not forget that there have been murders done in the name of Baha'i as well. And lots of them (major bloodshed) in the days of The Bab. "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;" Romans 3:23 ... Christians admit to their sinful nature and seek forgiveness, repent, and are saved.
Christian Ex-Baha'i yet it is written that if you have a male and female child and can only aford education for one its the female that should be educated. ps I say plenty of prayers for forgiveness. if you really think the Bahai's are doing some sort of evil i feel sorry for you. it is the only religion that doesnt have followers organized in its name that infringe on the human rights of others. comparing a few individuals comitting murder to organised war is pretty narrow minded.
Equality is stupid, we should work on fairness. When i travel with my wife you wont ever see her carrying our baggage. I would rather be sweating and shaking before i let her carry anything heavy. But shes good at organizing stuff so she would take care of planning our vacation. Do what youre good at and do what you know your partner doesn’t like doing. I know my wife doesn’t like finance stuff, i also hate it but i dont tell her because i dont want her to do stuff she doesn’t like and also not worry about me having to take care of it if i hate it. Thats what islam taught us. She burned the food or put too much salt? You still tell her its amazing and you love it. We all should start with our own wifes. They are our queens and deserve the best
There is an interesting instruction (law) in the Baha'i "Book Of Laws." It concerns a ritual a guy and his wife/wives are supposed to do while traveling. It appears to refer to taking a certain position, like a sitting position (like a mudra?) and it has a separate instruction for "the women" to do at that time. I highly recommend the Elder-Miller translation of The Kitab-i-Aqdas. It doesn't have all the clever word tricks and distortions the Haifa sect created. The original Aqdas is a very short book, only 74 pages in the Elder-Miller translation. It ballooned to 315 pages in the Haifa/Wilmette version! Because of all the crap they added to it trying to explain it away.
They're supposed to be a universal house of guardianship consisting of five women. I learned that recently. I suppose there the heads of state of the superpowers and while the guardian's wife and that's five
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Buddy if you don’t like it then change it. My votes for LSA will go to people that promote the change. Democracy is at the core of this religion. If we don’t do anything, nothing will happen.
Odd how most religions are that way -- most of them say men and women are equal, but they don't have women in Authority positions.
Being on the House of Justice is a life of sacrifice and responsibility. It’s nothing anyone would actually want unless they had to because they were voted. This is a mercy to women. Being on the House of Justice would require them to neglect their children which isn’t just to ask of them.
Another sexist insult. Not all women are destined to be mothers. And what about the Hands of the Cause of God who were women....and mothers?
The cope is strong in this one. This is an outdated 19th century religion and you're proving it with this desperate excuse.
@@successfulcorner outdated? All other religions are older than this.
Bahai's believe that their 19th century teachings will guide the world until the 29th century (1000+ years), but already they are looking dated on everything from science to women's rights to minority rights to lgbqt+ rights. So although it's relatively less old, it's still outdated@@burnttoast1076
@@burnttoast1076yes. The writings were made in the 19th century so Morals really would go along with the people of the time. I believe somewhere in out writings it states something like arson is punishable by death (unsure, you can fact check me) which was morally acceptable in that era but not in todays standard.
Dear friend, I am a woman and I know my important role in the society. As a woman and a mother I had left my occupation that I went to school for 6 years juat to be able to stay home and nurish my children instead of handing them to a nany. Do not get me wrong, I am not questioning working mother who have to leave their children at home with a nany or a daycare.
I believe the universal House of Justice's duties are beyond imaginations, and in many cases they have to be in meetings for hours and hours; as a woman I am glad to not be part of this divine institude becauae I have to raise members who are going to serve at the Universal House of Jistice.
I wish you would have done some more research because the same Abdullah has mentioned " if a family has a boy and a girl and does not have enough income to send both school, they must send the daughter."
Your talking about something you don't understand. There is a reason for the members on the Universal House of Justice being men. It takes all of a person's time. How could an expectant mother serve for example? Or if her child is sick? Mother's are the first educators of children. There are reasons for men serving only at the Universal House of Justice. Women serve at the local and national levels of the Bahaii Faith on many levels. Who are you to judge the Laws of GOD??? Man is a servant.
But they can serve on the local and national level with no time constraints. Illogical thinking and argument
Human reality is not matter of mathematical precision, therefore the language for this purpose is more complex than the simpleness of linear logics/mathematics. Absolute gender equality is absurd. But women can have now any profession, but being a member of the UHJ is not a profession nor a personal right, you don't go to the university to receive the profession of being member of the UHJ. In the field of strict personal and individual development, women have the same rights as men. If these excepcional differences in gender roles are strongly supported and founded on scientific facts ( which are very close to be proved so), there's no strong reason to deny or renegade from this. It's not about women's intelligence ( women are very intelligent), it's something else!
For a woman to be barred from being on the highest governing body of the faith is really telling. Imagine if black people were barred from being on the UHJ, would that not be prejudice and racism? you're hypocritical and for you to try and justify such a law is frankly shameful.
@@heyayup Absolute gender equality is a dogma of this time. There is certain social destabilization when women incarnate the symbol of highest authority, men lose attractiveness and respectability in the eyes of women... it's a biological fact of our species. If women have all the rest of rights, it's more than enough.
@@petrusphi6233 eww lmao y’all get no bitches for sure
Well said
Stop making excuses for the fact that the Baha'i Faith has no women on the UHJ because it's an outdated 19th century religion founded by a polygamist who had outdated ideas about women and revealed verses which were chauvinistic. Like this quote from the Lawh-i-Tahib "Say: O Friends! Apprehensiveness and agitation pertaineth unto women." Disgusting.
I'm a young Baha'i youth watching this, and I think this is an excellent point. I definitely understand where you are coming from and can't wait to discuss this with my class, as it's a great discussion topic. I hope you do your research too :)
thats the right attitude
OfficialLinny Same I am going to discuss this with my junior youth class and to see if this is true information or some ignorant guy on the internet
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Religion is man made. But belief in Christ is simply belief in god. Jesus was the word of god, he said “why dost thou call me good, only god is good” he called himself the good shepherd meaning he was god because he was talking about himself.
Wether you believe in god or not my point! Is that yes religions are created from man but Christ never said go to a Catholic Church, synagogue, Mormon church, mosque. He only said believe in me and you will be free and have eternal life.
@@Faith_Through_Struggle AMEN.
Thus is obvious false prophet, second coming of Christ, where is the rapture...just another copy of the Islamic religion...where is that dajjal, mahdi and their fake Jesus Isa...
First of all ! Sorry you got fooled to sign up for a fake dating site so then you can come and take your anger on the Bahai faith! Second women are rather relieved from the burden of serving the universal house of jutice due to its level of engagement and responsibilities which can overshadow other responsibilities such as motherhood. Women can serve as members of national assemblies. That might also change in the future
What would make you think every women wants to be a mother? Why do you think it would be a burden it’s 2021 women work just as hard as men if not harder. Seems like an excuse to me to not have women in power 🤷🏾♀️
@@ladydede88 you can compare it to Islam and Catholicism and tell me if any of those religions even come close to Bahai faith with respect to the equality of men and women. You cant even divorce your husband if you are a catholic or will be equivalent to 1/3 of a man if you are a muslim! Seems like a black friday deal to me! Pick your poison!
@@rkashef1 that wasn’t a good response. And if you dowant to pick a religion that’s inclusive better of being Sikh 🤷🏾♀️ not Baha’i.
@@ladydede88 that wasnt a good question either. If women got more freedom during the past 50 years, you cant compare that freedom to 150 or 1500 or 2000 years ago. again you have your choices so does everybody else!
@@rkashef1 but this religion is saying that all are equal while at the same time making sure women dont have a powerful position at the top. So then they’re not equal. Because someone was born with a Vag they’re not allowed to be at the top. So how are they saying their religion is one thing but within the religion it’s a totally different things. Don’t make Excuses for BS
It makes sense to question this if you're viewing this through the lens of an agnostic or atheist, but I would think it hypocritical to point this as a major negative if you're a follower of virtually any religion. Here for example is an excerpt from the New Testament “Accompanying Jesus were the Twelve and some women who had been cured of evil spirits and infirmities” (Luke 8:2). One of the Bab's disciples (The Letter of the Living) was a woman.
Dead right. I commented about that too, all major religions preach their own 'equality between the sexes', to call *one* out as false for misaligning with your definition of equality isn't sensical.
What about the Catholic Church? Women can't be Priests, Cardinals, Bishops or God forbid the Pope. They can't hold religious institutional power either.
Or Islam, or Hinduism, or Buddhism? They all differ in their 'equality' between the sexes, with different, select jobs allocated to each (and 90% of the time women can't involve themselves in politics either).
To be fair, it isn't the worst 'debunking' I've ever heard, but it just isn't thought through 😂
Since when has Christianity been thought to preach equality? Sure many Christians do but I've not heard it pronounced as a tenant of the faith like Bahai's claim to (some even claiming this as one of its unique benefits). Being 1800 years younger, it should go without saying that incongruities in text should be cleared up but in reality, the derivative works are mostly platitudes made to sound profound with grandiose word choice and poor sentence structure.
Babism is not the same thing as Bahai'sm. To become a Baha'i, you have to leave Babism!
Men and women are equal in the sight of God. They have different functions like a knife and spoon, you don't eat soup with a knife or cut meat with a spoon. The Universal House of Justice, not the Universal House of Compassion. You will know in the future why men serve on that body. 'Abdu'L-Baha says it will be as clear as the sun at high noon. The greatest service to humanity is to raise good happy children. UHJ is a function of the Administrative Order.
It sounds like the bottom line for you is that it's the function of women to give birth to and raise babies, which would give them no time or reason to serve in a position of authority. And the notion that women aren't capable of administering justice because they're too compassionate is really sexist.
Thank you
As a former LSA member and homefront pioneer, I recommend not listening to Janet. When people are in a cult, they cannot think for themselves. I escaped after 7 years of falling for the lies and manipulation. Their "package" looks good on the outside, but they are poison to the core on the inside.
Sounds like a cop out to me.
@@c.a.t.732 its not a position of power or authority.
I "probably" signed up???
Lol he said promptly but it did sound like probably
If this video was in Persian I would leave a very unfriendly comment. I am Iranian and a secular person and mean criticism of religion is one of the most important duties we have. I criticize Christianity and Islam regularly, but never the Baha'i faith. Why?
Because my main reason for my critique is to safeguard people from religion. In Iran today, Baha'is are under extreme oppression by an Islamic regime. So, criticizing the Baha'i faith is helping the regime.
When it is said, I don't know the Baha'i laws that much that I can comment on such issues. But, if this is the only wrongdoing of Baha'is concerning women's rights, I think it is not that big a problem that determines women's rights in the religion.
equality of rights, not equality of responsibilities. The duty of membership of the UHJ is consider a responsibility in this time and age by God and given to men ... like the responsibility of be able to give birth, given to women not men.... men should not complain ... lol
Absolutely
how about promoting awareness then "lies". negative thoughts trying to justify other negative things you perceive.... how ignorant of you. spread love as we do love you and everyone.
Loads of negative thoughts in the Baha'i Faith. Wasn't it a little nasty how Ba-Hoo-lah called the Bab's rightful successor a "dog" and other mean things?
As I see it, the reason why women can't serve on the UHJ is a purely practical one, and it has to do with motherhood. Service on the UHJ involves a consecration and a workload that the rest of us can't even imagine, and this means that the members of the House do not have much time for family life. If women served on the UHJ then their children would be neglected by their mother, and this would be a very sad situation and unacceptable in the Bahá'í Faith. Also, in the event of childbirth these female members would become unavailable to the House - another unacceptable situation. Since men and women share the same intellectual and spiritual capabilities these problems are completely avoidable by letting the men just do this job on their own. People who wish to 'climb the social ladder' do not belong on the UHJ ( or in the Bahá'í administrative system ) in the first place.
+Gorpur thats just typical sexism we expect from islamic religions like the bahai. By your logic women should just stay home and raise babies, right? You are saying women should not be president, or CEO cuz they need time to raise babies?
+Jerkster The Bahá'í Faith is the only religion I know of that has the equality of the sexes and the emancipation of women as one of its basic principles. Women should be free to pursue any career they choose and I certainly believe that they are able to be both presidents and CEOs and have/raise babies at the same time.
Gorpur Did you not watch this video? Baha'is are lying about believing in Equality. They forbid women from their top leadership (UHJ). Equality is just a campaign slogan they use but their writings places strict restrictions on women
+Jerkster Yes, I have watched the video, but have you studied the teachings of the Bahá'í faith? The Bahá'í faith actually also discriminates against men. For instance, parents are instructed to favor their daughters when it comes to education. Can you imagine the implications of this if it became universally practiced? The women would take over - and I believe that this is exactly the intention! The only restrictions on women are that they can't serve on the UHJ and in the military. There is no official reason as to why women can't be on the UHJ, but we're told that it's an obvious one. In my first comment above I try to describe the one obvious reason I have observed.
+Gorpur …………………… That fact is that women can not have babies and succeed in a male world simultaneously. But is there anything wrong with this?
Unfortunately, this isn't the only contradiction in this new-world religion.
Exactly! I know several Baha'is and they are brainwashed. I've asked several Bahai's the same question and they give me the same scripted answer. They also told me they are taught to not fight back when someone is challenging their doctrine/faith.Not only that but their doctrine is a spin off of other religions and has several holes. For example, progressive revelation... in their system there are different manifestations of God during different periods of time. Each manifestation is considered by the Bahai's to be appropriate for its time. Well this can't be true because the manifestations believe different things. Moses = ONE personal God, Krishna= mix of polytheism & impersonal pantheism, Zoroaster=religious dualism one good God and one bad God, Buddha= essentially agnostic, Confucius= polytheistic, Muhammad= ONE personal God who can't have a son, Jesus Christ= ONE personal God who does have a son, and Baha'u'llah= God and the universe, which is emanation of God, are co-eternal. This belief implies that the manifestations can contradict themselves or that God's own nature is contradictory, that is, that God is both one God and many gods, that God is both able and not able to have a son, both personal and impersonal, etc...then the Bahai concept of God is reduced to meaninglessness.
@@celliseven Can you not see they come at different times, its the day and age thats different! Spiritually they all same the same thing!
Bahaullah says.
"The All-Knowing Physician hath His finger on the pulse of mankind. He perceiveth the disease, and prescribeth, in His unerring wisdom, the remedy. Every age hath its own problem, and every soul its particular aspiration. The remedy the world needeth in its present-day afflictions can never be the same as that which a subsequent age may require. Be anxiously concerned with the needs of the age ye live in, and center your deliberations on its exigencies and requirements" Bahaullah
@@triggerhapp0990 I understand that the manifestations come at different times according to Bahai theology. What you do not understand is the manifestations all contradict each other. THEY ALL CLAIM SOMETHING DIFFERENT, IT MAKES ZERO SENSE!!!!! I believe what I wrote is too much for you to process. Please go back and reread what I wrote so you can understand what I am saying. Bahai's are a pseudo Christian cult period. Bahai's accept Jesus as a manifestation. However, Bahai's do not accept a bodily resurrection, they only accept a spiritual resurrection. Therefore, Bahai's do not accept Jesus completely. Listen I have done my investigating on Bahai's for close to ten years. You are nice people who are lost and mislead. The Bahai religion my friend is a false religion. Sorry to be so forward but I am not going to tickle your ears and tell you things you want to hear. You have lots of learning to do. Open your mind and stop being brainwashed. You have a false sense of identity and community. I guarantee you if you studied the absolute truth (the bible) with an open heart then the truth would be revealed. You would understand the Bahai faith is wrong and your so called community would crumble.
@@cellisevenyou claim to know what the manifestation of God believes? That’s the height of arrogance. Are you partners with God?
Actually women are very much active participants in the administration of the Baha'i faith. Also Baha'u'llah said that if a family had few material assets and could for example only afford to pay for one of their children to be educated, then they should favour the daughter as she will be the mother who often has the primary relationship with the children. The membership of the Universal House of Justice as being for men could well be a mystical basis, we're told that in time it will become clear why. I suggest that if your interest in the validity of this Baha'i Faith is sincere, look at the life of Baha'u'llah, read and meditate on His writings, using both your head and your heart. I wish you well
False. No women sits on the Bahai Universal House of Justice. No women allowed! "In time it will be revealed why only MEN can hold positions of power in Bahai faith". Cmon thats wishy washy thinking. The time to act is now. There's not future revelations. Everything is in the here and now. Bahaulla was likely suffering from mental disease when he had these delusions tell him he was some manifestation of God. Thats narcissistic.
It didnt come true. All world religions are NoT under bahai, as he wanted. Bahais will never be sucessful at converting all other global faiths to bahai. It will never happen.
@Renata Souza Thats funny
Which religion speaks openly of equality yet you can find flaws in the scripts or daily execution? Same as why "are there no female imams"? If a spiritual journey is interrupted by this, why do women still go to work knowing they're usually paid less at work than their male colleagues? Why do women still choose to get married when the old tradition is: marriage = children (yet some choose not to have kids). Good point for discussion, nevertheless.
I’m not a Baha’i but this is a low blow. Men and women are equal, not identical. They can have separate roles with equal power but different responsibilities. I hate arguments like this. They’re the only way for people to discredit Islam and now I see them using it for this religion too. Please be more scientific and constructive. Religion is a big topic, don’t knit-pick.
Of course men and women are not identical, but EQUALITY is about giving the different sexes the same opportunities to do what they are indeed capable of doing. Surely you cannot believe that women are not just as capable of leadership as men! Even Muslim countries like Pakistan have had female leaders.
Thanks for the insult to my intelligence! You'd be a great propaganda writer, with your phony rhetoric.
u are a bahai
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*nitpick
@@ericfarrtman0that's some real nitpicking right there
@@eeayquetting5963 are u bahai bro
The equality of men and women? !!!!!!!!!!!! Whoever said that they weren't equal?
I have come upon some Bah'i literature which states that the Jewish people are directly responsible for Jesus death. Is this cannon?
Why don’t you read the Bible? It’s literally about Jesus? His words are recorded in that Book. Literally. Words He spoke. The very words the Christian Church is founded on
FYI Baha'i is not lying nor violate the right or quality of women is it the Baha'i Law for the Institution of the Universal House of Justice only and we can not question GOD but obey His Will.
I am not of this faith - I am a Christian - however - I find it necessary to point out that equality doesn’t mean what you think it does
We are all equally important- we are all equally valuable - but we have roles - women are better at certain things because of our God given nature - and men are better at other things because of their nature - also there are many things we are all good at -
A open minded view at human nature would make this very clear
This guy is very inconsistent. In the beginning of the video he moans about distorting a word to promote a certain belief and chat site he couldnt access. But only later on he gives a very dilluted criticism of the Bahai faith. Just one of these internet trolls. Was never interested in this so called bahai 'faith' which is a new age religion.
Our Faith is in its early stage, as we have just blossomed and many are drawn to a materialistic life. So yes there are many flaws, and much to learn. Btw I'm a female Baha'i and I'm more than happy.
OfficialLinny literally every bahai uses this excuse.
"Our Faith is in its early stage," -- Isn't it about time to get a move on? You people are not even wearing squirrel fur or sable yet! (The original Aqdas instructed you to do it, not just saying "you may...") You're not even branding thieves on the forehead yet! (Or "marking" them.) Isn't it time to really "blossom" and begin falcon hunting properly? Too bad there is nothing in your thousand-year-dispensation "Book Of Laws" about: Pornography, transexualism, genetic engineering, economics, technology, medical ethics or euthanasia, industrialization, pollution, banking or usury -- or MOST of the dire, huge questions facing man now or later.
We as Bahai's, don't really care what you think. There is always someone who will try to detract from someone else believes.
Joke women are not allowed to be head or main power of any religion
There are also in the bible quotes that say woman cannot become a priest or pastor but there are nuns who are never equal to make priest and father also its banned in islam and judaism woman can guide another woman to prayer and faith and fast but never will be allowed as governing body or head in any religion
Hi there,
I hope this helps:
Women are exempt from serving on the Universal House of Justice, not prohibited. Women are also exempt from serving in military, fasting during pregnancy, breastfeeding, and menstruation. (My own reflections from studying the Faith).
An excerpt:
“As regards the constitution of the House of Justice, Bahá'u'lláh addresses the men. He says: "O ye men of the House of Justice!"
But when its members are to be elected, the right which belongs to women, so far as their voting and their voice is concerned, is indisputable. When the women attain to the ultimate degree of progress, then, according to the exigency of the time and place and their great capacity, they shall obtain extraordinary privileges. Be ye confident on these accounts. His Holiness Bahá'u'lláh has greatly strengthened the cause of women, and the rights and privileges of women is one of the greatest principles of 'Abdu'l-Bahá. Rest ye assured! Ere long the days shall come when the men addressing the women, shall say: 'Blessed are ye! Blessed are ye! Verily ye are worthy of every gift. Verily ye deserve to adorn your heads with the crown of everlasting glory, because in sciences and arts, in virtues and perfections ye shall become equal to man, and as regards tenderness of heart and the abundance of mercy and sympathy ye are superior.”
From a Tablet to an individual believer - translated from the Persian, published in Paris Talks: Addresses given by 'Abdu'l-Bahá in Paris in 1911-1912, p. 182-84 [23]
Dear sir, the members of UHJ are not concidered to be the highest. Individualy they not only show the most humbleness but in fact innerly they feel the most humble. In Bahai religion there is no such thing as ranking within individual Bahai's they are all equal. However there is an exception made on those called the Hands Of The Couse. In ranking they are higher than other Bahai's. Hands Of The Causes were a mix of men and women! Take for example the hand of the couse Ruhiyyih Khanoom. The members of UHJ used to ask her for advise. I can garanty you, if a Bahai would think of climbing high in rank and therefore having ambition to be in UHJ he would never be elected, because being humble means willing to be as dust under the foots of others to serve... I have meny arguments to give but to keep short, let me tell as the last one here, within Bahai religion is the most high en valuble task the task of education, where women are concidered to be honored to be the fist educators of their children. Immagin this law of equal rights to gender was revealed 175 years ago in the most dark place of the earth in Iran where equality of gender was far far to search. Nowhere in the world it was not only not accepted but far from immagination.
You're very naive in thinking that those who rise through to a high "rank", as you put it, are always free of ambition. I have heard with my own ears very active and widely known Baha'is boast in private that they are widely known, have been invited to exclusive events with other high ranked Baha'is, that their photos have appeared in Baha'i publications, that they have been on a stage to play an instrument, have completed many Ruhi books, etc. I've heard widely known Baha'is boast that their new converts will "do anything I tell them to do", while writing letters to institutions to list their accomplishments. I could go on and on. Sadly these are the people who often rise to the top because others are too busy practicing humility, selflessness, and overlooking faults. Sociopaths love the faith.
Nader Jan, then why are women forbidden from being on the highest governing body? Imagine if black people were forbidden from becoming President, would that not be racist?
YES YOU ARE RIGHT BUT THE WRITINGS OF BAHA U LLAH SAY THE REASON WILL BE EXPLAINED TO US IN THE FUTURE BUT THE HOUSE OF JUSTICE IS ONLY ONE BRANCH OF THE FAITH WOMEN SERVE ON MANY OTHERS IN FACT THE FAITH SAYS IF YOU CAN ONLY AFFORD ONE CHILD TO BE EDUCATED THEN IT MUST BE A GIRL
The Universal House of Justice is the HIGHEST! It's suspicious for women to be forbidden from the highest governing body. "Explained to us" is not a good reason for discrimination and prejudice
In any religion people should focus on the transcendental not the mundane because that’s not what it’s there for. Your physical means nothing every religion is a code embedded into the universe if you don’t see that and know how to use it you have absolutely nothing
Notice Baha'is are utterly and completely focused on the mundane, the World, outer conditions. They are obsessed about "the world" night and day. They are anti-mystical (weird how that turned out considering how mystical was The Bab) and it's in mysticism that you go within, and learn about God behind mind, behind creation. The Baha'i focus on The World is one of the 40 reasons I left the Baha'i Faith after 13 years.
When we are vast, we have room for everyone,
even those with whom we disagree with...
Therefore, we must now, it is time, the time has come:
for us to step into our vastness...
Yeah right
Good for your own health , living and so on . God Has His Own Purpose for human being which we ourselves cannot figure it out to the greatest knowledge of human itself .
Thanks for your polite reply. It appears to me that your views however justified from your own personal perspective are mounded by others who may not be as concerned with truth as you yourself are at pains to point out. These other people who share your observations have a less objective aim in mind. They seek to discredit the Baha'i Faith entirely and that is in itself unfortunate as they will never be able to succeed as others in the not too distant past have attempted to do and also failed. A more intellectually honest approach would be to reject the whole religious experience from Judaism to Islam including Christianity because from your particular perspective they have all failed to live up to their own teachings or have elements in their history as equally disturbing if not more so than what you have presumably uncovered in the Bahai Community. It is better to profess no faith at all then to not live up to what your faith demands from you. So why not give up ranting about Baha'i failings and devote your life to something more urgent and important such as climate change, poverty or social injustice?
"A more intellectually honest approach would be to reject the whole
religious experience from Judaism to Islam including Christianity
because from your particular perspective they have all failed to live up
to their own teachings or have elements in their history as equally
disturbing if not more so than what you have presumably uncovered in the
Bahai Community. "
You are indeed correct! I know of someone who attacked the Baha'i Faith and then was found to be a dishonest apologist for Christianity. That's like condemning arsenic, a poisonous metal, and replacing it with mercury, which is also a poisonous metal!
"So why not give up ranting about Baha'i failings and devote your life to
something more urgent and important such as climate change, poverty or
social injustice?"
One can focus on many different topics and issues at the same time. Indeed, I have addressed many such issues and topics over the years. This sounds like special pleading, which is fallacious.
Dear Dale, while searching for a specific video on The Baha'is today I came across your video platform. I have taken a good look at what you are offering your viewers and am familiar with almost every one of the accusations you are putting forward in order to discredit Baha'i belief. I also maybe surprising to yourself despite being a Baha'i of long standing applaud your attempt at openness and honesty. I also share your disappointment in the way some of these conflicts were dealt with and in some cases hidden from general view. The Baha'i Faith like anything else is subject to human failings as it is essentially composed of humans regardless of any claims to the contrary. However if you were to investigate this faith more thoroughly and in much greater depth you would soon come to realise that despite its own failings it is still the best hope for humanity compared to the alternatives which of course you are now wholly free to investigate. Truth is extremely important as is also equality as you have so eloquently pointed out. I wish you well in your new found freedom. I would also welcome your ideas on what can be done to achieve these high hopes in the future if you ever manage to find the perfect solution which you are still presumably trying to find.
I do not dispute that the Baha'i Faith has done some good in the world; otherwise I would never have become a follower of it in the 1990s. But there is no excuse for tolerating leadership that is simply not legitimate. Baha'u'llah specifically stated that a younger half-brother of Abdu'l-Baha, Muhammad-Ali, would be the successor of his brother. Instead, Abdu'l-Baha disobeyed Baha'u'llah by appointing his grandson Shoghi Effendi to the leadership. Then Shoghi Effendi died without appointing a successor of his own as Abdu'l-Baha commanded. The Universal House of Justice was then set up with no Guardian at its head, something Shoghi Effendi himself said should not happen. More to the point....why didn't Abdu'l-Baha appoint a DAUGHTER after him instead of insisting on a grandSON who was only 21 years old? When only men are allowed to rule a religion, and those men have questionable credentials, we have only hypocrisy. The solution for Baha'is everywhere is to ditch the entire Administrative Order that was built up since the 1920s and start over.......but that is extremely unlikely.
@@DaleHusband sources about this story of successors?
@@thomasramez6699 excuse me, don't ask me for what is common knowledge among Baha'is themselves. The problem is that most Baha'is are brainwashed to think that the contradictions and hypocrisies of the leadership of their Faith is somehow acceptable.
Sounds like you have a lot of holes in history , context and specially about the Will and Testament of Bahá’u’lláh. This issue of women on the UHJ is a test for you just as in the previous dispensation with Noah’s arc or when Mohammad changed the Qiblih was To test the believers in their Faith . How to measure “equality “? What is “power”? God did not make us the same … some blessing were given uniquely to women . For instance; we get to create a new life in our wombs - the bond between an infant and their mother is far superior to a man who was never given that right or privilege . There’s wisdom far beyond a white male’s lens to understand (no offense ) why in this Dispensation, this was the law . Perhaps it has to do with the international relations and responsibilities and reconciling that with motherhood? This is not about electioneering to be on this institution. It’s serve. No one makes money or gains prestige or power from serving of this institution. It must be hard and daunting too. Perhaps it is a burden for men to carry after millennia of injustice they created; Now they are to labor for global justice .. and Because in this Faith there’s promise that this is a Day that shall not be followed by night, there will be always guidance . Perhaps it is even deeper than that and we will understand more in the future…
; It is short sighted to equate this with some sort of a “lie “ ! Please recall Tahirih’s position , Bahiyyeh Khanum, Martha Root and the women Hands of the Cause…. They had authority as individuals. ʻAbdu’l-Bahá put the reigns of leading and building the first Bahai House of Worship In the hands of women, to the surprise and dismay of men. They were given authority.
I wish you well with your spiritual journey and respect your investigative approach. Bahá’u’lláh welcomed that . This is not a Faith of coercion and blind followers
The world is on fire, is men - women issue really the most important one to discuss at the moment?
I am familiar with this argument however can you discount all of my Bible based proofs?
I have no idea what you are referring to. And since I don't believe in the Bible any more than I believe in the Baha'i Faith, your challenge is pointless.
Hi Dale Husband ! As an Investigator of Truth, who participated in Baha'i Faith, including on 3 LSAs, for over 29 years, even tho the book FAITH WITHOUT DOGMA had been my favorite book in high school, and my innate leanings were far more Oriental/Taoist/Buddhist, I had never really Fit, and certain phrases and passages in the Writings felt like thorns in my sides. After reading more David Icke, and then, listening to John Lamb Lash, every day for over a year, I felt I had redeemed my True Self. Actually, it only took me a few weeks for those "thorns" to pop out and away, and my eyes to clear enuf to bow Out of Baha'i Faith,
by formally withdrawing (as a member).
I applaud your excellent use of Logic, and the quality of your presentations. Today, I watched: The Fatal Flaw of Baha'i Authority, Baha'i Scandals...(and one other). I hadn't known all the facts you included,
and appreciate(d) them, very much, agreeing wholeheartedly with your conclusions. THANK You, Dale !
It was the spiritual principle of The Independent Investigation of Truth that had appealed to me enuf for me to have become a Baha'i . (I was born on the Cusp of Sensitivity, the Aquarius-PIsces Cusp, which
Mother Earth, Gaia SOPHIA is on, now; and I Think like an Aquarius. I agree with Alan Watts about that
principle being what makes Faith "a Swim". ) I soon came to discover, however, that Baha'is were expected
to turn to the Writings about everything, and "God forbid" questioning Them, in any way.
The other bits that were like thorns in my sides were the warnings that woe to those of us who think of or experience ourselves as "co-creators"; or who worship Nature; AND, perhaps most of all, the fact that
"Baha'i Faith came 'out of the ground of Islam'", when JLL makes CLEAR the "Islam is The Deal Breaker" !
So, I returned 4 large totes full of Baha'i books to the Baha'is, without even a closure letter to them...or
to Baha'i Nat'l Center, explaining why I was, formally, withdrawing. I FEEL that David Icke is RIGHT to advise humanity to turn away from any religion that says one will fall into the fires of hell if s/he disobeys
"God's" Laws. Like Simon Parkes, I AM Now Clear that I believe in GOD, but not the "God" of the churches.
and I agree and FEEL/THINK that Baha'i Faith IS, indeed, part of the Globalist's NWO Agenda.
Love and Blessings to you, Dale Husband, and All SOPHIA's Luminous Children, who have and exercize the Courage to LOVE TRUTH, and investigate it for themselves in their own ways. Yours in peace,
woodlawnmermaid@hughes.net
But the Bahai faith has 12 major great unifying principles(unity of religions,education for all,removal of poverty etc etc) so how can they eventually twist that to their advantage as NWO Globalist agenda (if it's true) I don't get it?
You need to learn how to spell things correctly before making random unintelligent comments about a major Faith. Please look up how enough is spelled for example.
*"Find out what made-up invisible God or glorified religious figure a person has been fooled & indoctrinated to consider sacred & if you follow the sacredness you will find a ring of motivated ignorance, intellectual dishonesty & dogma as well as a constant urge to play mental acrobats to defend the sacredness."*
Men and woman can be treated equally the only difference is our gender
32000 views! Thank you for sharing this beautiful faith, even though you are incorrect about almost everything about it. That’s 32000 that might never have heard of it.
That's one of the dumbest things you could have said. Your inability to deal with your fake culture is not my fault. Sometimes stupidity is its own worst punishment.
You're welcome to leave the faith but don't put fire on your head just leave peacefully .
All religions have been influenced by surrounding culture. All religions have been giving up sacred parts as dues to integrate into their environment. And that includes idle worshipping symbols in monotheistic religions and so many more examples.
Baha'I Faith concern and speak most about our inner being (soul), its not only being equal physical but it also concerns our spiritual being; like bible says "I have made thee the image of my own; whom does it refer to man or woman. It concerns our inner being. Stop seeing it from one side and start to get it right.
The answer to the question of why women do not serve on the Universal House of Justice is found in the Kitab-i-Aqdas (The Most Holy Book) revealed by Baha’u’llah in 1873 :
“O ye Men of Justice! Be ye, in the realm of God, shepherds unto His sheep and guard them from the ravening wolves that have appeared in disguise, even as ye would guard your own sons. Thus exhorteth you the Counsellor, the Faithful.”
Your interpretation is interesting and I thought about this exact point and reached the same conclusion for a bit. Until you look a investigate a little further. Then you realize that equal doesn’t mean for same. For example there is a quote where in certain regards women is superior to man.
I think the flaw with you interpretation is that you take the word equal at face value. If it would be equal opportunities, then men could give birth, which they can’t, and bringing forward life is the highest form of worship. So i think that even though you feel like you found a big contradiction or so called lie, i just think that you haven’t investigated enough and considered all the possible aspects. Now if this is the conclusion you reached, great. I’m just shunning a different view as I myself was greatly interested in this matter. Ofcoarse we can theorize about what if and the fact is we have not had many women leaders, and the ones we have have resigned due to stress (new zeland, slovakia etc) maybe that is something that will become clearer as the wider specteum of gender euqality levels out and we might get to see the meaning behind this exact practice
Men and women have very different functions in nature, as nature. No amount of intellectualizing, imagining or desiring is going to change reality, and natural survival mechanisms.
You are actually delusional to assume that what is between one's legs has anything to do with abilities of leadership. That's ABOVE the neck, of course.
The Bahá’í administration is not a social ladder. It is an avenue of service.
In my 13 years active in this fake religion (very active), I saw that Baha'is are extremely status conscious. There's the glamorous big shots and there are the mousy plebes. It's very hard for a mousy small town plebe to become a glamorous Baha'i bigshot. Also, doctors, lawyers, and PhD's are the Baha'i Faith's de facto elite, as a group. Those ones, primarily, are placed into prestigious or leadership positions. Talking 'bout The Baha'i Faith.
Becoming a member of the UHJ is not at all climbing the social ladder,
In Bahai faith. Its not a prestigious role for any of the humble members to enjoy, but a tremendous responsibility on their shoulders and the reason women can not be appointed will reveal in the future, as the sun in daylight. All Bahais trust and abelieve this is no discrimination whatsoever. Because we understand teachings of Bahaullah in dept, not superficially, and believe there is a very good reason for it which is not revealed yet.
Indeed
Being a Member of the House of Justice is NOT climbing the social ladder. UHJ is The Institution in itself and not it's members. Members of the House of Justice don't have any power at all and are considered asbany member of the community trying to be a better person each year as individuals. A member of the UHJ can't tell any member of the Faith what to do or what not to do. Only the Institution can say, unlike Priest, Pastors or Mullahs.
And if you truly investigate the history of the Bahá'í faith you'll find that women played a much more important role in the darkest moments of The Bahá'í Fairh and kept the world community united and directed the global efforts to keep teaching and devoloping. From Tahirih, to Bahiyyih Hanum, to Amatul Bahá, to the countless women Counsellors and Auxiliary Board Members, women in The Bahá'í Faith are the driving force in teaching and administrative endeavours. But there is no climbing the social ladder in the culture of The Bahá'í Faith. I can understand your concern but your conclusion is wrong and misleading.
Support the small religions
Against the monopoly of the 5 major religions
Full 100% equality of outcomes is fascism.
The only way in which it's not equal is in the realm of the UHJ. Which needs 9 members to reach unanimous vote.
With women who can get pregnant this raises a serious issue.
***** This is true and I only speculate. This is however and issue whether it be the reason or not. I have other idea's but these are far too controversial too make mention of.
***** Well I enjoy seeking the truth through dialogue and investigation. Maybe in this way it will be revealed... did you ever think about that? I only discuss this however with a select few who are willing and use specific scientific inquiry e.g. evolutionary psychology and biology.
So I don't allow any Baha'i to stifle my opinion or the search for truth. This is the nature of the inquisitive mind. I am also Baha'i in case you were wondering.
***** A select few of my personal friends from various backgrounds.
"With women who can get pregnant this raises a serious issue."
^Is not the same as saying "this is the answer."
@@Eternalentropy I'd love to hear those other controversial views.
Such hypocrites!
Do the Baha'i writings prohibit women from joking the house of justice? Maybe it a practice of the leaders but not in the official rules
Women are exempt from serving, not prohibited. Women are also exempt from serving in military, fasting during pregnancy, breastfeeding, and menstruation.
“As regards the constitution of the House of Justice, Bahá'u'lláh addresses the men. He says: "O ye men of the House of Justice!"
But when its members are to be elected, the right which belongs to women, so far as their voting and their voice is concerned, is indisputable. When the women attain to the ultimate degree of progress, then, according to the exigency of the time and place and their great capacity, they shall obtain extraordinary privileges. Be ye confident on these accounts. His Holiness Bahá'u'lláh has greatly strengthened the cause of women, and the rights and privileges of women is one of the greatest principles of 'Abdu'l-Bahá. Rest ye assured! Ere long the days shall come when the men addressing the women, shall say: 'Blessed are ye! Blessed are ye! Verily ye are worthy of every gift. Verily ye deserve to adorn your heads with the crown of everlasting glory, because in sciences and arts, in virtues and perfections ye shall become equal to man, and as regards tenderness of heart and the abundance of mercy and sympathy ye are superior.”
From a Tablet to an individual believer - translated from the Persian, published in Paris Talks: Addresses given by 'Abdu'l-Bahá in Paris in 1911-1912, p. 182-84 [23]
Hello I'm from Philippines and I'm a Baha'i for almost 4 yrs.I just want to give you a clarrification about the Baha'is one of the principle" The Equality of Men and Women". Your question is why does Universal House of Justice doesnt allow to be part of it?
Well to answer you that question is first we need to understand that the men and women are not the same in body's condition but yet the same opportunities as Baha'is teach. I mean that the men and women are not the same when it comes to body's condition like menstruation. Like for example: If one of the member is women and she was elected. When there is an important meeting or consultation, women are usually do that excuses for sure to be not able to join..
Sir..We are talking here an important role of the Faith as a highest responsibility. And also the House Of Justice was one of Baha'u'llah's Will and Testament in a way of clear election By National Spiritual Assembly.. to protect and guide the Baha'is nowadays.
^^^^^^The ignorance and arrogance plain as day.
Abdul Baha, says this will come clear as the noon day sun in the future!
Indeed, it has become clear.....Baha'u'llah was as sexist as most of his contemporaries in the Middle East. It was Abdu'l-Baha who introduced the principle of "equality of men and women".......which he stole from western liberal politics.
@@DaleHusband Baháʼu'lláh was a staunch advocate for women rights! One of the major principles of the Bahai faith is equality of men and women. Open your heart and read the words of Baháʼu'lláh again.
@@DivineFellowship Please take your medication this is embarrassing 🤦♂️
@@triggerhapp0990 STOP TROLLING ON MY CHANNEL! Unless you are indeed a teenager in your parents' basement, I suggest you act like an adult and MOVE ALONG!
@@DaleHusband Yes, he did. And 'Abdu'l-Baha had gotten connected to a lot of rich, White western suffragette females in the east coast. There was money there. Thus next, "the equality of men and women." It looks pretty absurd considering what it was before.
0:28 perfect example. The definition of a Woman.
You have to study and investigate, so as not to fall into false ideas like the ones presented by this man. One of the teachings of the Bahá'í Faith: is The Free Investigation of Truth. We cannot state facts without having done a serious investigation of the case. Therefore I give my life for what this man says is totally infamous and lacks truth. Please investigate and respect.
What false ideas have I stated? And don't you think I did my own studying and investigating, resulting in the video above? Quit insulting the intelligence of others!
@@DaleHusband You have not investigated anything, since in those 4 minutes you only say lies, there is no serious case, you do not know the reason for not having women in the Universal House of Justice. I don't know what happened to you and the Bahá'ís, but what you say in that infamous video is unfounded. Everything has a reason for being, within the Bahá'í administration there are more women with an important participation than the men themselves; and if you have investigated a little about the Faith, you will know that in it there are no figures of priests, clergymen, pastors, rabbis or any type of leader, since each and every one of us is a participant in the construction of a new world that is divinely ordained thanks to the teachings of God sent through His Holiness Bahà'u'llàh. Hopefully one day you can remove from your eyes the clouds that stand between your sight and the sun of truth. God is the Most Glorious.
@Renata Souza What is the truth? What is the lie? What do our ears want to hear? What do we want to convince us? Are videos like this true? Where should I investigate? I only know that the world is plagued by people with erroneous ideas, with harmful dogmas, senseless prejudices and endless things that would be endless lines to list them. Every time I realize that what His Holiness Jesus said today more than ever is a reality -'because evil has multiplied, the love of many will grow cold...'- I only hope in God, the clouds that get in the way can dissipate between our sights and the sun of Truth. God is the most Glorious!
words normally have multiple meanings
wow im a bahai youth we learnabout this in one of the ruhi but this video is kinda gringy
Grungy lol
...and also cringy
Цікаво, улюбленець глобалістики, згоден бути не бачитись із дійсно коханою дружиною 5 років?
May I ask you how long you been Baha'i, or if you no longer a member how long since you left?
Interesting perspective
Stephanie Conroy Accept it’s not a perspective it’s a fact!
@@robertbrowne4049 except. Not accept. And yes its a perspective lol.
@@BigSmoke-fs6vb Barney Sucks Off Super Hans LOL you too 😂
@@robertbrowne4049 peep show is a pretty great show but I dont get the relevance.
Words have been used for many uses. Why even bother with Metaphores or Similies. Just as images have meanings in different contexts. Sorry Dale, you dont make sense.
One more P. S. - Dale, I Got a Lot out of your "Baha'i Scandals" video... I hadn't realized those bits,
because "believers in the divine unity", who've been thoroughly brainwashed/programmed do not dare hear, see or speak such truths. I, actually, felt shocked, upon reading those behaviors of Shoghi Effendi. I did know, however, that he SMOKED ! I think you are wonderful to blow the whistle about these things.
I would love that you send me what you figured out about Shoghi Effendi tbh .
Who cares it doesn't mean he perfect because he trying to be lol.
Was he efendi was effeminate ?
From all Bahai teachings that’s what you got? You are nitpicking. Universal house of justice is not social latter, and by getting there you won’t gain any “power” to influence your will. I can understand there were careful consideration by looking at current state of society. If you really investigated Bahai religion AND because of this you decided it’s a lie then I can just wish you luck! And finally when you see the truth(doesn’t matter what) but choose darkness that’s a “willful refusal”, and that will have existential consequences for you which you can’t escape from (because it’s existential). I recommend watching “Dorian Grey 1973” and you will have a better understanding about what I said about truth in general. Good luck!
Given my story (in my videos and blog) as a witness to a Bahai Scandal in Milwaukie Oregon during the late 1970's and 1980's where there were at least 2 familes from multi-generational pedophiles, in the grand scheme of all that's wrong with the Bahai Faith, as weird as the disparity is between men and women's roles and how debatable the word "equality of the sexes" is This is such a non-issue: . . . Women withheld from Universal House of Justice membership is far from the obvious problem: Which is the Bahai's legacy of failing to protect children from abuse, especially sexual abuse. If there was such a thing as true "equality of the sexes" or "gender balance" or whatever: then men and women would be shapeshifting hermaphrodites and transgsenders who could easily decided whether or not they have wide shoulders, narrow hips, a dick and testicles OR wide hips, a fertile womb, pussy, mammary glands as easy as switching on or off a light switch.
+Al R - His bad language could stem from being abused by a Baha'i pedophile when he was a child. I know from experience that the Baha'i Faith also failed to protect me from a sexually abusive Baha'i man. It probably happens more than you realize, and Assemblies are not equipped to handle these situations - they seem to want to look away and ignore hard facts.
There's a lot of "passing the buck" behavior in Baha'i administration. Auxiliary Board Members will tell you to go to your Local Spiritual Assemblies. These LSA's will refer matters to the National Spiritual Assemblies who will refer matters back to LSA's and in the end there is no protection for those abused by Baha'is, from Baha'i administration.
Moreover, Baha'is are told that we should not ever mention the sins of others and that we shouldn't go to law enforcement because that would affect the reputation of the Baha'i Faith in a negative way. So Baha'is are able to abuse and few people ever realize what's going on.
Anyhow, that's how I experienced it. Baha'i life became a depressing and frustrating experience. I don't miss it at all.
+Al R ........ don't worry about me, I'll be fine. I'm on the internet writing about the Baha'i Faith because I spent thirty years of my life as a Baha'i and it is time for me to share my information. I do this for Jesus, my Lord and Savior. I know you don't like my decision to tell people what I know about the Baha'i Faith, but I have a responsibility to do this.
Just before I signed the Baha'i declaration card I read a booklet, "Prophecy Fulfilled," by Elizabeth Cheney. It was about Bible prophecies that Baha'is believe are about Baha'u'llah and the Baha'i Faith. My intent it to show that these prophecies are misunderstood by Baha'is. To this end - this week I wrote about the Valley of Achor prophecies: Isaiah 65:10 and Hosea 2:15. christianexbahai.wordpress.com/2015/09/28/bahai-prophecy-isaiah-6510-hosea-215-valley-of-achor-plain-of-sharon/
I'm not doing this out of hate for the Baha'i Faith. I'm actually doing it out of compassion for the people who are deceived by it. I too was deceived by Baha'i - like I said, I was in the religion for thirty years and it took another twelve years to recover, until I could truly say I no longer believed Baha'u'llah was speaking for God.
Now I'm working for Jesus - the Jesus whose physical resurrection isn't believed by Baha'is, whose healing miracles are minimized, whose atonement is ignored, whose offer of salvation is turned away from. He truly is the Lord, and He wants all of us to be saved. This is something that can't be done through Baha'u'llah. I hope someday you will give Jesus a chance . . . so I'm having to explain, one precept, one item at a time. Jesus guides and helps me. Without Him I am nothing.
+Al R ... may Almighty God bless you and lead you to truth and the source of true love.
+Al R ... think whatever you like. I'm going to keep praying for you. God bless you.
+Al R ... Are you implying that you don't need prayers? Why? Do you think you're already perfect?
If anything at all, I learned from this video to think for myself, or at least to try.
Such waste of time. Full of lies!
No, calling my statements lies means nothing. I use consistent logic to judge religious claims. That's the opposite of lying.
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really you have been very quick in criticizing. please read the official writings of the faith in this regard. for a quick answer to your video i would recommend you to see Why no women in the Universal House of Justice?
Dear Friend,
Thank you for your comment. I humbly say that I beg to differ with you. There are so many Pictures of the Master printed on book covers. If you wish I can show you many. There are so many songs and music videos that features Master's pics. And this video of Master's voice has already been uploaded by someone else also. Non Baha'is will never listen to this audio. And your comment with House's guidance is also posted there. Let us not be so narrow minded. Thank you.
You really don't know you sound literally like a brainwashed cult member.
If women are permitted to be members in the House, and 1 is having maternity leave, another is experiencing dysmenorrhea, another need to breastfeed a baby, another is on menopausal stress, and they cannot attend an urgent meeting, then how can the Body perform its duty as an infallible institution, if it cannot even hold a meeting. And you think membership in the House of Justice is a privilege? You are dead wrong in that sense! Do not compare Bahai institutions with the non-Baha'i. When you are elected to the House you are being called for duty, and your not there to enjoy a privilege as a right. The Supreme Body has the most challenging task and responsibility in guiding the affairs of humanity. If there are worldwide cataclysms that need urgent solutions and guidance, should the whole world wait until the women members of the House have finished their maternity leaves or get over their bouts of dysmenorrhea? Should it conduct a by-election just to replace a member o🎉n sick leave? And you require all NSAs all over the world to convene just to elect and replace a member on sick leave? What's your point? Do you know Bahai laws and Covenant? And you are questioning this law of Baha'u'llah, the Manifestation of God for today?
Considering how badly the UHJ functions with an all male membership, your point is downright ignorant. A collective body can function with one or two members missing.
So why do National and Local Spiritual Assemblies allow women among their members?
Can you cultists just stop with the hypocritical talking points and GROW UP already?!
@@DaleHusband . The UHJ is not NSA. NSA can decide with quorum, not the House. You're ignorant, not us.
@pedros.cabrales9844 So you admit that the UHJ is a weak and badly functioning body that no one should rely on, even with its all male membership?
It's amazing how absolutely STUPID you Baha'is are. This is why I reject your false and worthless religion!
@@DaleHusband . Reject if you must, no one's stopping you. But you cannot spread lies and misinformation here. That's not fair.
@pedros.cabrales9844 you Baha'is are always the one who lie and all I do, with both my UA-cam channel and my blog, is call you out on what you and your cult does. I cut through all the delusions with consistent logic, the deadly weapon against ALL cults.
P. S. Not long ago, I realized that the opposit of DOGMA is AM GOD.
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Im a christian investigating the bahai faith. Im sorry but that,'s my impression on you, and you cannot
take that away from me. Sorry
I think if you discussed this matter with some Baha'i girls and women you may find this beneficial. It's good that you are investigating these sorts of questions.
That's like asking a white person to question black slaves in the early 19th Century if they liked being slaves. Of course they would say YES....to avoid being beaten by their masters!
Principles are not based on what people say, but on they way things should be, period.
@@DaleHusband you’re guilty of much the same sin you condemn Baha’i for. With this statement you essentially strip millions of people of personal autonomy. You think that women are incapable of making their own decisions and coming to their own spiritual conclusions, and are mere lemmings in need of guidance by more enlightened men. You are no better.
@@malcolmpendleton9498 No, that is an absolutely ridiculous pile of assertions. I never said anything about Baha'i women being inferior to non-Baha'i men. You just made that up! People of both sexes, and all religions, can be brainwashed with bullshit and then use mental gymnastics to justify their indoctrinated dogmas. Your very comment above is a perfect example of that!
@@DaleHusband you are entitled to your own opinion just as bahai women.
@@malcolmpendleton9498 What on earth are you talking about? First of all, you are a man. The same gender that holds all of the ultimate control and decision making power within the Universal House of Justice. Brother, although there are some attributes to the "faith" that I consider respectable, it is a cult like every other group that hides behind a religious doctrine. A doctrine meant to control people. I say this opinion as a person with 4 generations of Bahais behind me. The world will have truly moved forward when we can rid ourselves of these ridiculous ideologies that divide more than unite. I wait for the day that people are treating each other with kindness, respect and compassion because their hearts and heads motivate them to do so. Not because it is written in some dusty old book that instructs one to do so. Free yourself.
Is that you ?
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These are all efforts of people in jealousy or hate or confronting God and spreading evil to fight the true Islam and the only true religion of the Mohammedan Islam which will finally be established worldwide when Isa will return and even if the idolaters and unbelievers dislike
Hear hear. Thank you Dale. I was raised with "The Faith" all around me and well , how can I say this respectfully. Another example of cult like mentallity. As George Clinton said. "Free your mind and your ass will follow".
Some will agree that only men are to elected to be unfair and others will agree that it is not unfair. Not many will serve as part of the head at head quarters. I may never serve at that level and I’m a male. The reason this is so may elude us all. But that isn’t the point. We either wish to serve as Baha’i or not it is your choice. You are free to choose. Traditionally, we have to understand what it means when we say equality and perhaps the real reason may never be known but that won’t stop e from believing and knowing I can be free to believe in those principles which is the real reason I am here.
if you don't like to accept something,its better u say "No" than to say badwords" tongue had made by God to praise and to worship him alone not for telling some insults ...tongue is like a sword,either u can use it for good or not,anyway,Godbless!
HIM?? your referring to GOD? " the UNKNOWABLE" as it says in their writings
INVESTIGATE AND SEE WITH YOUR OWN EYES, THATS OBVIOUS PATRIARCHY AND HIPPOCRACY.
Thank you.
Mr.Husband,what is your faith!?🤫Your surename is male dominant,why didn't you choose Wifes'!?🤔
I am a Unitarian Universalist.
What I see is a judas opposed to the wishes of christ. They are everywhere. EveryTime!
If you refer to me, you are invoking the wrong religious reference. Baha'I Faith is not part of Christianity.
This people its very equally same as People were born at the time were jesus was given by God..they said how come you said that you've come from the father(God).but your parents are Joseph and Mary. Literally same as this man trying to make a false decision about the bahaii...stop judge you don't know the whole story ..and who are you to judge other religion..are you the promise one prophet of the return of jesus christ 😏
Some wild claims about equality of sexes in Baha'ism:
One of the most untrue and illogical statements I have ever read:
Abdu'l-Baha: "The male of the animal kingdom does not glory in its being male and superior to the female. In fact, equality exists and is recognized." (`Abdu’l-Bahā, The Promulgation of Universal Peace, p. 470.)
How equality works in Baha'ism:
1-Women have lowers share of inheritance than men.
2-Women have no share from living residence of deceased.
3-Women get to keep their mother's rags and old clothing but the new ones must be shared with the males.
4-Men have to pay dowry to women but not the other way around.
5-Men can have to wives but women cannot have two husbands.
6-Women cannot be part of the UHJ.
7-Women cannot be a Guardian overseeing the UHJ (matter has been resolved since Abdu'l-Baha's prophecy failed and no guardians exist anymore).
8-Men must perform Baha'i pilgrimage but women have been exempted.
9-Upbringing of children is the chief responsibility of women.
10-Baha'u'llah calls his boys branches and the girls leaves (can't even observe equality amongst his own offspring).
11-Man can take back dowry if woman is not a virgin at marriage, but if a man is not a virgin well then tough luck for the woman and she can't take back nothing.
12-Women must obey their husbands.
For details see: Chapter 10:
www.avazedohol.com/eng/index.php/download
+Al Fot 1-That website isn't mine. 2-The website is dedicated to giving correct information about the Baha'i cult, specially stuff that the cult administration refuses to translate to English then acts as if they are a religion. See how your cult leader calls his deniers pigs and donkeys:
www.bahaibahai.com/eng/index.php/articles?layout=edit&id=86
and the repulsive view Baha'is have towards non-Baha'i schools:
www.bahaibahai.com/eng/index.php/articles?id=92
have a nice day.
Yeah these are lies!!
It sounds as if you are basing your opinion on material you've read or heard rather than participating in Baha'i community discussion. Try it. You might be surprised. On the other hand, anyone willing to make harsh assumptions without verifying their alleged facts probably won't benefit from such participation. The goal of every religion is to unify, and every messenger has stated that they are human. Doesn't change the message or the goal. Whatever you embrace as your guidance, look for the beauty within it and seek to change the hearts of humans through being the living example.
No. The purpose of Christianity is to separate the wheat from the chaff. Separate the sheep from the goats. Seperate God's children and those whose names are not written in thr Lamb's Book of Life.
"The goal of every religion is to unify." That's a stupid statement. Obviously you have not studied many religions seriously.
Men and women are equal but have different qualities. What qualities, then, do men have, that women lack, or vice versa, that make it the law for only men to be on the UHJ?
It’s not a law. Women are exempt from serving on the UHJ, not prohibited. Just like there are exceptions for fasting.
This is often a point of discussion for those learning about the Baha'i Faith, while the word equality is used there are some qualities for which women are seen to be superior to men and Baha'i laws on education give girls priority over boys.While men and women are considered "equal" in the sight of God they still have slightly different roles, and the role of serving on the Universal House of Justice, whose members have no individual power or authority, is explicitly stated to be male only for a reason that will one day become very clear, it is absolutely clear to Baha'is that the reason is not anything to do with an inherent inequality or any notion of men being better suited to the task. In religion some laws are there as a test to our faith and devotion, we may never perceive a reason for them, at least we are promised that humankind will one day recognise a reason for this law.
I have heard that argument before, and it does not make sense. Ever heard of "doublespeak", the deceptive tactics described in George Orwell's novel "1984"?
+Al Fot Then prove me wrong with your own videos giving detailed EVIDENCE, not speculation or wishful thinking. Your lies about what I am doing mean nothing. If you were right at all, I would still be a Baha'i.
+Al Fot - Thank you Al for encouraging me not to waste my time, ironically it has made me want to write some more.
I do actually feel that Dale raised a genuine concern here and that he was intending to inform rather that misinform (unlike some of the others who are commenting on this video). This is a law which 'Abdu'l-Baha assures us is "for a wisdom of the Lord God's, which will erelong be made manifest as clearly as the sun at high noon." It essentially has to be taken on faith, understood in the context of many other laws and teachings of the Faith, especially those relating to governance and equality.
Mathematically, equality shows that two sides of an equation which have differing appearances actually have the same value, clearly the Baha'i vision of "full equality" does not dictate for us the same roles, there are several specific examples where men or women might appear favoured over the other, but it states that all human beings, male or female, have equal value and should therefore have "their equal sharing in all rights". While a Baha'i should understand, and believe, that service on any Baha'i institution, including the Universal House of Justice, is not a right, not something to be sought after, and does not bestow any power or authority on an individual, it is reasonable to expect that people will see this as a contradiction to the law of equality, especially if they have a more current perception of administrative roles for individuals as positions of authority. That 'Abdu'l-Baha gave the above assurance acknowledges that this law may be seen as challenging.
Being, ultimately, a matter of Faith we cannot really give any evidence that it is or is not a contradiction, the best we can offer is the example of the extent to which women are serving on all other Baha'i institutions at local, national and international levels.
"The world of humanity has two wings -- one is women and the other men. Not until both wings are equally developed can the bird fly." - 'Abdu'l-Baha
+Al R You are character bashing which is just what Baha'is and muslims do. You don't like his comment so you attack his person. baha'is cannot engage in healthy debate, you are either with them or their enemy. typical Islamic mindset.
You will be Baha'i for less than one more year, I promise you right now
Definitely thought provoking
I’m an airline pilot. I have friends that are woman that are airline pilots. Saying a woman cannot be with the universal house of justice because of the period (time of the month is very Islam leaning. To say Bahá’u’lláh was a messenger as Jesus was poses serious questions. Why could he not save one of his children? Why did every defendant become a Covenant Breaker. My mother is a Baha’i. We can’t have a relationship because I am not a Baha’i. I am catholic. I grew up with the Baha’i faith. My mother shuns exactly as the bylaws direct her to. I did not put it all together until I read all the material that is the original history. Bahá’u’lláh had 4 wives three were concurrent yet he teaches one wife at a time. Where was shogi afendi when he was not taking care of his duties. He was a suspected homosexual and they are not allowed in the faith Young people have the tools to find this stuff. It was hidden from me as ‘‘twas the photo of Bahá’u’lláh. To divine to gase at in you home. Give me a break. The picture looks like Charles Manson.
Pork Face I read shoghi effendi was married and sterile,but I always the gay suspicions do u know where I can get proof or further info on that.
Shoghi Effendi outlined clearly his views on Homosexuality! You should go and read them instead of gaslighting! We all know how the catholic church treats young boys!
Whenever i meet any Bahai , then keep telling me about the (miracle) of their Bahaa, of reciting a book in Arabic in a perfect way... even though it wasn't his mother tongue. Since, Arabic is my native language.. i decided to real Kuds El Aqdas ... I couldn't really find just one sentence that is written without language mistakes ! The funniest one of them was when he said that he challenges all scientists of Arabic Language ... to write a book like his , which already had several mistakes as well !!!! Its really seems weird to me that No one has decided to learn Arabic to read this man has written !! I totally respect everyone's faith and I am not arguing about any details over here ! I am just asking all Bahaai to stop considering this as a miracle ! IT IS NOT ! My 7 years old NIECE wouldn't make such mistakes if she writes a phrase in Arabic !!
Yes and of course Baha-man was around Arabic lifelong. He grew up on the estate of the governor of Iran. (His father was a minister.) He had religious interests and his erstwhile avatar "The Bab" wrote texts in Arabic, which Baha-man obviously was reading. This is just one of the inumerable bull-s--t items with the Baha'i Faith. The list is long, and rather humorous.
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Haha I can read Fusha proficiently, I would love to read those writings haha and see such mistakes
Equality and Similarity are two different things. You need to think on it.
Do you want a girl friend that clean shaves just like you ?
Has a half bald head ??
So let natural limits and rule of collective reality be there.
Damn dude! The likes tell it all...
nice profile pic
Why would we label an entire religion and Faith a lie based on only one point? Any individual can voice an opinion. Do we know this man’s intent and is he giving enough information? It’s up to those listening to him and to anyone’s opinions for that matter, to be careful of how they view something before doing their own investigation of Truth. There is greater wisdom in why there are only men on the Universal House of Justice and just because of this doesn’t mean that women and men aren’t equal. Women have a higher purpose as mothers as the first educators of children, considered one of the most important services which unfortunately is often unrecognized. But as humanity progresses and matures, people will come to understand and recognize the True Message of Bahá’u’lláh’s Teachings.
It is a lie
ha,ha, ha, big lie, the Baha'i Faith is >>>> not humanity
Sorry, please get your facts right before you criticize someone else. chuck
THE BAHAI FAITH IS THE TRUTH. YOU ARE VERY VERY WRONG !
Right.....because making a comment in ALL CAPS like a child is very convincing.
This combined with science will become a one-world religion
But what about the squirrels? They will go extinct. Glory Man instructed his followers to "wear fur of the squirrel and ermine..." It isn't optional. He wanted his people lookin' good! Bad news! My Lord, not much "science" to the Baha'i Faith. The Bab was actually anti-science. Baha'u'llah was anti-combustion engine. When he heard about it he said: 'We have heard that an infernal engine hath been devised. Soon it's fire will consume the cities." (Destroy 'em. And they did.)
Bahai faith teaches respect all race and all religeon ! dont judge a book by its cover read for yourself !
your very quick to pass judgment. the bahai administration is in its infancy and many of its facets are not put in place. it is completely possible if not probable that in the future there will be offices at the highest levels that only women can sit in. equal does not mean the same and the goal is unity in diversity. if you ever spent time in any bahai community you would know that women are treated equally with men, respected and valued.
"the bahai administration is in its infancy and many of its facets are not put in place." That is no excuse for hypocrisy at any period of time.
"it is completely possible if not probable that in the future there will be offices at the highest levels that only women can sit in." Show me a single statement in the Baha'i Writings that says any such thing.
I was a Baha'i for eight years. I know how they operate and I reject it as a waste of time now.
Dale Husband Good answer. I was a Baha'i for decades.
Baha'is should stop saying: "the Baha'i Faith is still in its infancy" . . . it is only an excuse for not being able to do things right.
If they haven't got it right after 150 years, they're not likely ever to be able to.
The idea that some other opportunity will arise for women is like throwing a dog a bone to distract him.
Christian Ex-Baha'i really? so why are you a christian then? there has been alot of rape and murder done in the name of christianity if they havn't got it right in 2014 years , they're not likely ever to be able to. oh and the bible says women should be subservient to men. if inequality is the issue I think youve traded down.
supernalbjj ... thanks for asking ... I'm a Christian because I humbled myself before Jesus and was saved. I never expected to do it, but it happened. A surprise to me and everyone who knew me.
The big difference between Baha'i inequality for women and the Christian inequality is that Baha'is are telling everyone they believe men and women are equal and that's a main tenet of the religion. Well, Christians aren't saying that.
It appears that Baha'is are being hypocritical, saying women are equal, then having a whole different set of laws for women including unequal inheritance.
I thought that hypocrisy was the main point of Dale's video. "Doublespeak" indeed.
By the way, if we were to judge all religions on the actions of their adherents ALL of them would be in trouble. Let's not forget that there have been murders done in the name of Baha'i as well. And lots of them (major bloodshed) in the days of The Bab.
"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;" Romans 3:23 ... Christians admit to their sinful nature and seek forgiveness, repent, and are saved.
Christian Ex-Baha'i yet it is written that if you have a male and female child and can only aford education for one its the female that should be educated. ps I say plenty of prayers for forgiveness. if you really think the Bahai's are doing some sort of evil i feel sorry for you. it is the only religion that doesnt have followers organized in its name that infringe on the human rights of others. comparing a few individuals comitting murder to organised war is pretty narrow minded.
Equality is stupid, we should work on fairness. When i travel with my wife you wont ever see her carrying our baggage. I would rather be sweating and shaking before i let her carry anything heavy. But shes good at organizing stuff so she would take care of planning our vacation. Do what youre good at and do what you know your partner doesn’t like doing. I know my wife doesn’t like finance stuff, i also hate it but i dont tell her because i dont want her to do stuff she doesn’t like and also not worry about me having to take care of it if i hate it. Thats what islam taught us. She burned the food or put too much salt? You still tell her its amazing and you love it. We all should start with our own wifes. They are our queens and deserve the best
There is an interesting instruction (law) in the Baha'i "Book Of Laws." It concerns a ritual a guy and his wife/wives are supposed to do while traveling. It appears to refer to taking a certain position, like a sitting position (like a mudra?) and it has a separate instruction for "the women" to do at that time. I highly recommend the Elder-Miller translation of The Kitab-i-Aqdas. It doesn't have all the clever word tricks and distortions the Haifa sect created. The original Aqdas is a very short book, only 74 pages in the Elder-Miller translation. It ballooned to 315 pages in the Haifa/Wilmette version! Because of all the crap they added to it trying to explain it away.
They're supposed to be a universal house of guardianship consisting of five women. I learned that recently. I suppose there the heads of state of the superpowers and while the guardian's wife and that's five