Protagony Two: Abed
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So basically, Community’s writers created a character who would be nerdy enough to “break the fourth wall” IRL, so that we the audience can enjoy the dramatic irony when he doesn’t know he’s breaking the fourth wall. Cool.
cool cool cool.
Missed opportunity…
abed is so much better when you think "he doesn't know it's a show. even in parts where he is directly breaking the fourth wall, he doesn't know." it makes him less like a character made that way n more like a person, like everyone else on the show. and as an autistic person, it makes me relate to him in autistic ways a LOT better.
Cool cool cool
I feel like a great joke would be if a character like Abed “turned to the camera” but it’s in a completely different direction than the camera
In several interviews, Dan Harmon has directly said something along these lines. That he felt like he had to include someone like Abed, because if you were in his position, there's no way you wouldn't recognize the tropes occurring.
Yeah, he’s like fourth-wall breaking, but not actually, because in the universe of the show, it isn’t a show.
It’s interesting how the most eccentric and one of a kind character is serving as the “face” for the audience
him and jeff were clearly self-inserts for his nerd personality and his cynical jaded personality lmao i mean come on
@@highdefinition450 Both things can be true. And what you said is ALSO something Damn has confirmed.
There's a good example of this in 2017's Ducktales reboot art the start of the 2nd season. At that point, the family's been on so many crazy adventures that Louie, suffering from burnout, is able to not only notice, but frustratedly predict the sort of three- act structure in all of their hijinks. But the thing that makes the moment interesting is that the episode later turns what could've just been a silly example of a tv show poking fun of its own tropes, into a genuinely emotional character moment where the adults start to notice how much his sharp wit and pattern spotting is him taking after his missing mother. Fun stuff
seeing a ducktales 2017 comment on this video is so funny cuz danny pudi (abed) is also on that 😭
@@cybernetik. Oh yeah, he's Huey!!! I wonder if he helped write some of the dialogue... I can never tell how much say an actor has in that kind of thing
realizing you've watched this show too many times when you can consistently contextualize all the background clips
Same, but it's never too many
or just good memory?
Ive rewatched it about 18 times now and there's still new stuff I catch each time, I love it
What is this "too many times" of which you speak?
No such thing as too many watches!
Wake up babe, new video to watch three hundred times while I eat breakfast just dropped
Y tf wud u watch anything like this more than once
Because the information may require more than one watch to fully comprehend. Much like a good read takes multiple reads.
@@matgonzalez6272 🤣
@@maxuabo Because I'm autistic and familiarity and good voice is nice
@@nikkimvee4710 ok by those standards I’m also autismo ✊
Innuendo releases a video once a gazillion years and it's always a banger.
And then 4 day's later there's a whole freaking podcast!? It's a good week
I've been reading House of Leaves and while I don't want to spoil anything, it plays with several layers of diagesis and does so really well, using it to build tension and horror in a way I haven't really seen done prior or since.
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@@InnuendoStudios No wait! it's related to the video I swear!!! I'm not obsessed!!
There's a feeling of the room suddenly being voided when you read a long sequence that's suddenly empty of scholarly commentary, when Johnny doesn't bring in his weird offbeat voice.
Its too bad Danielewskis other books are impenetrably esoteric because HoL is probably the only novel thats ever given me an actual fright. (Oh and there's clues to Johnny Truant in Mark's sisters music. She went by the name Poe and on her first album Hello, on the song Angry Johnny she calls him a psycho so I think we're supposed to recognize Johnny isn't a good person. I wish I could remenber more but I listened to both her albums a couple times when I read HoL back in 07 so I can't remember clearly. That said, her second album was a collab with Mark about House so there's probably more there to be found)
@@binkusbonkus it's transparently fucked up and over-compensating misogyny, so I don't think there's any way we're supposed to see it other than several layers of self-protective spite. It's a coping mechanism, and a harmful one.
But then there's also another layer where it seems like Johnny doesn't really act rhe way he writes himself and is trying to come off as worse than he actually is, exaggerating the parts of himself that he hates.
While not much is really spelled out definitively, I think the only "real" thing in the book are the Ravenstowe Letters.
"Can you break the fourth wall diagetically?"
Some might say oh no you can't. But the Pantomime gang is here to say "Oh yes you can".
There's an interesting question of Fourth walls in things like Video games I think. Stuff like Papers Please or Little Inferno which drop you into place such that you're seat at your computer is part of the set, so the fouth wall extends around your body but not quite. You become a part of the story because your movements are diegetic but you absorb the backstory and character that you are playing.
it's interesting to look at this through the lens of theatrical tradition. like, a chair on the set of The Importance of Being Earnest is "performing." because the chair is a 21st century prop made of pine painted to look like 19th century mahogany. the chair is "acting." in that sense, when you play Little Inferno, your desk is "performing" as a hearth and your computer is "performing" as a fireplace. which makes the third person segment at the end interesting, because, by turning your desk and computer back into themselves, it's almost breaking the fourth wall *by retracting it*
Wow that's interesting, never thought about something like Papers Please that way but it makes sense
in the video game oneshot, the player character is the player and your avatar is a character who considers you a diety such that the game exists without a fourth wall in the sense that you are a character in the story and people will talk to you directly
@@ozymandia9902 Contact on the DS did something similar, as well as others I can think of, though I feel like most of the ones that do are clearly inspired by how Earthbound handled things.
Would count Inscryption among those games as well!
I have wanted to show a particular friend "Lady Eboshi is Wrong" for a long time and I couldn't. I thought that you might have taken it down because you didn't necessarily agree with it, since I don't use social media or anything so I wouldn't know if it was ever taken down.
Lady Eboshi is Wrong is one of the best video essays I've ever seen in my life and it really challenged me when I first saw it. I think it helped me grow. I'm glad I get to share that now.
the studio man -for which I will not name for fearing a parasocial relationship- has had it up on his vimeo for a while, but like feel free to support his sponsor.
@@alexwasdreaming9440 Let us hope Ghibli doesn't come for it there.
To be honest, I've grown so accustomed to fourth wall breaks in the media I watch/read/play/etc. that most of the time it doesn't even register to me. I feel like this is what fans of musicals go through, that it never bothers them that people are spontaneously breaking into song and dance, and moreover, it doesn't break their immersion of watching said musical. When it comes to most fourth-wall breaks, since a lot of them are just quick gags, it doesn't break my suspension of disbelief, or even stretch it all that much. I don't know if that's just the result of seeing so much of my favorite movies, TV shows, video games, etc. dabble a bit in getting meta and just being desensitized to it or just being able to recognize the context in which it's happening most of the time, though I will say that, like any trope or joke, it can be executed poorly or fall flat. There have been a few times where a poorly timed or executed fourth wall break did nothing for me and even tainted my view of the entire work in question.
Regardless of that, though, it feels so surreal to see breaking the fourth wall being described so... analytically. It's almost like we take the fourth wall for granted a lot of the time, and people rarely stop to consider why there even is a "fourth wall" to begin with.
This gets another level of meta if you had talked about the episode where Abed makes his "movie:" Messianic Myths and Ancient Peoples.
Hearing someone say "Content" like that in 2023 is an absolute blessing. I still sometimes pronounce gif as "zhaif" since it's fun, and PBS Idea Channel was integral in building a curiosity-driven foundation that pushed me further and further left throughout my youth.
And hey, Lady Eboshi is Wrong, a core pillar of my philosophies! So excited for more people to be able to watch it
Content like a pirate filled me with nostalgia that i didn't even know waa there!
I can't afford nebula, can you tldr it for me here please?
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It's actually still up on Vimeo!
Dunno if there are any plans to private it or take it down there, but it's had a very out-of-the-way home for a solid chunk of time :)
Abed is absolutely aware of the camera, he spends an episode dodging it trying to create an episode with no story
He also directly addresses the audience in the last line of season 5
feel like those can be considered exceptions to the rule
I think he is less aware of the camera and more aware of an awareness of a camera that a character like him should have when things get particularly meta
I love the line "Please don't 'Jim' the camera like that." haha I totally missed that the first time I saw that episode.
I’m a theater kid who views Abed as an aspirational character and knew it was gonna be Picasso at the Lapin Agile as soon as you said “French bistro” so damn this is my jam several times over
Cool. Cool, cool, cool.
Also, damn, your point about us keeping "fiction and reality running in tandem" really hits. Especially as a 20-something in a "post" pandemic world.
Kinda unrelated to this video, but as someone who fell into the alt-right pipeline back in high school, your playbook got me out of that hole, so thank you! Definitely going to get a Nebula account and support your content!
8:30 This bit illustrates the rarely used technique of second and first wall breaks.
Aw, seeing PBS Idea Channel at 9:29 made me feel really sentimental. Loved that channel, tons of awesome videos and topics explored, and it really helped me think about media and pop culture in a different light. Love to see that it helped inspire you!
yarrr, content
I felt like a circle was being completed when Dwarf Fortress got a Steam release and started to get some pop culture buzz again. I was captivated watching that video about the game as a teenager.
I had a very short ten-year theater career and Picasso at the Lapin Agile was my last show. Really delightful to see you talk about it here.
Who'd you play???
@@InnuendoStudios Gaston! Different time, different gender presentation haha.
I never realized why I was uncomfortable making eye contact with actors watching a show before I was in one and realized the power of that fourth wall even when it didn't always feel real to me on stage
GAAAAAAASP YOU'RE ON NEBULA!? Hokay, time to jump on. The Prince already had me wanting it
Hot damn. I knew I was subscribed to Nebula for a reason!
paysites are the most cynical parts of the web. creator video collectives used to be free to watch, now they're dedicated to nickle and diming us like Netflix.
@@WannabeMarysue on the other hand, running a video hosting site is insanely expensive and covering serious topics gets your demonetized on UA-cam.
@@WannabeMarysue Is it nickel and diming, or do they just want money for their work? Why are you comfortable paying a museum to see art and not something like Nebula that actually goes straight to the creators? I'm not even subscribed to Nebula, but I don't understand how you think video creators are supposed to eat
@@WannabeMarysue id rather pay them upfront for things that interest me than hope that the whims of advertisers dont force them to chase insipid trends for relevency.
That reference to PBS Idea Channel gave me such a nostalgia whiplash that I had to do a double take. That show remains one of my favorite things to ever come out of UA-cam.
LADY EBOSHI IS WRONG IS BACK!!!! I hunted down a transcript of it after it was pulled because it was such an important video essay to me at that time. I still have that file somewhere in my hard drive, I think. So happy to see you on Nebula! Congrats.
This reminds me of The Joker movie, and the incredible bathroom dance scene. *He's dancing to non-diagetic music*. Suddenly, Fleck can hear what we hear. What a perfect way to demonstrate someone's mind is irreversibly changed and viewing everything differently.
Currently directing Picasso at the Lapin Agile and you wouldn’t believe how fast my neck snapped around when I recognized the lines being read.
Damn it, now I gotta watch Community. I've never heard of Abed. He sounds like me but with, I hope, better writers. I'm MUCH older, but viewing the world as a series of shows definitely rings a bell. Great video. ( I started in the 70s, imagining RL situations thru the lens of a D&D character sheet.)
you're really gonna like the dungeons and dragons episode, then
Cool, cool, cool, cool.
@@JasperRolls Too bad it was taken down from streaming services. Though you can still buy it to stream, individually.
I don't normally recommend piracy but watching that episode is a must if you like TTRPGs
Have you seen Fleabag? This concept of breaking the fourth diegetically makes me think of it. Especially season two, but really the whole series. "The audience" is ... there, the whole time. The audience is a character in the narrative. Not ... the actual audience, I don't think, but more an imagined audience, that we take the place of? A large part of the humor, and a not-insignificant amount of the heartbreak is directed at, or comes from, the audience. It's brilliant and I don't think I've ever seen fourth wall breaks that work quite so amazingly to add to a story.
Community is a wonderful show. Rewatchable even 7 years after its conclusion
Lady Eboshi is Wrong is one of my absolute favourites of all your videos and I'm so glad it's finally got a home where it's not going to up and disappear.
I had a bunch of these thoughts like 10 years ago when I saw a community college play on acid, and I really really appreciate you putting them into good good words. Thank you!
I need to add that it is SO GOOD to see your work once again, Ian. Genuinely, it makes my day; my whole week, even. Your videos always get me thinking, and have done so much to help me improve my critical thinking (to which the teaching of in most schools either highschool, college, or otherwise is sorely lacking). Thank you, from the deepest part of my being, for making these videos.
I think this is my absolute favorite video of yours. Some others have addressed topics in ways that have expanded my capacity for perception (The Artist is Absent.) Some videos that are great vehicles for empathetic understanding of problematic modes of being. (The Alt Right Playbook.) but this one, from the word go, I knew where you were going. I was grinning like an idiot as the analysis unfolded, each step asking a rhetorical question, with a predicate well enough established, that as I answer in my head, and start to explore that space, you begin to explore the exact thread of thought I jumped to. It's just such an excellent example of GOOD thought processes, and GOOD communication of those processes.
The really natural way you describe why the act of accepting dialectical knowledge is so difficult, was really impressive. The nature of existence is expressed by inverted truth. By there being two things that ARE, even if they appear to be mutually exclusive. It's a really elegant way of understanding truth not as binary, but as a question of degree. Accepting that two things that by their apparent expression SHOULD invalidate one another, don't. They amplify, and do so recursively and infinitely. That's the truth of empathy. That experience is reality, that projecting the self and accepting the validity of a diametrically opposed reality, is the same as looking at the same sunset from two different cities. Both real and capital T True and parts of the same singular universe. Always an increase in understanding, NEVER an annihilation.
Nice job. I love it.
Plus I'm a DFW's simp so like, yeah I'm always hella hype when my boy gets the nod he deserves.
Also, I actually exclaimed with excitement when you mentioned Nebula. I love your work, and I love Nebula, and what a cool fucking confluence of things I love.
Abed is a masterpiece
🎶 Abed, Abed,Abed
This came out at the perfect time for me. I am rewatching the first season with the intent to watch the entire series. I noticed this happening in our media and felt Community is one of the first ones to start this trend.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on the fourth wall and how it is being used in modern storytelling. It's interesting to see how the relationship between the audience and the fourth wall has evolved as media consumption habits have changed. I agree that shows like Community and characters like Abed have found a way to make the fourth wall a part of the narrative rather than a disruption of it. It's a testament to the creativity and adaptability of storytellers and their audiences.
Hearing you acknowledge the similarities in yours and Jacob Geller’s voice, chills.
Funny thing is, I've watched a lot of both of their videos, but never thought of their voices as similar because the way they modulate their voices is so different
same voice
Growing up in the UK in the 1960s, I took it for granted that comedies broke the fourth wall. There were radio comedies that did it, like Round the Horne, which took the form of a weekly drama, where the characters kept complaining about the script and suchlike.
And I think even much younger people have heard of Monty Python - the end scene of The Holy Grail has the cast being bust by the cops for carrying swords around! Though they didn't address the camera as much as Mel Brooks' characters did.
Love Danny Pudi's acting in all his things!
Bertolt Brecht is not just a stücker of Lehr, he's also an Oper of Dreigroschen
I can’t say I understood this comment, don’t know German nor do I know that much about Brecht. Heard Alabama Song and watched that wonderful Galileo play. But I laughed so much reading for no goddam reason and I can’t explain to you why. Laughing at a joke I don’t understand, wow. Maybe German is just a funny language.
@@sabinasabino141 It's about German nouns being long, putting together different compound of substantives. Bertolt Brecht wrote some Lehrstücke and also Dreigroschenoper.
The fun thing about Abed, what makes him more compelling and funny than a Deadpool, is that his “4th wall breaks” genuinely inform his emotional relationships. Abed’s friends are often made uncomfortable or agitated by him behaving like an outside observer to their shared experiences, moreso than a participant.
Abed is also the reason I like community so much. I've always seen Abed as the writers inserting themselves into the show, which gives you a cool window into their heads
been a subscriber for a while, i just finished season 3 of community, and this showed up in my feed today as i'm getting ready for opening night of thornton wilder's "the skin of our teeth", and i happen to be playing the fake stage manager who's always getting involved with interruptions of the show.
i don't believe in superstition, but this was the best possible video i could've watched today.
Just absolutely love seeing you sponsored by Nebula, it was about damn time they picked up one of the absolute best video essayists ever.
Video games that break the fourth wall and pull you into the same narrative plane as the characters also tend to have significant impact in culture, it seems-Undertale and DDLC are both examples of this. There’s this great essay by Andrew Cunningham called “What was so good about UNDERTALE anyway? (A mildly deranged retrospective)” which really informed me about this and that it really is so powerful
The way I instinctively sung the part, "Whyyyyy do we build the wallll?" after you asked the question XD
Great video, and I'm so glad to see you on Nebula! My Nebula subscription gets more and more valuable every day!
I will say there was one thing in this video that... idk confounded me a little: I was surprised at the decision to frame Abed's pop culture references as him being "a millennial" when it is, in the text, because he is an autistic character who was written reflecting the behaviors of irl autistic man, Dan Harmon. I am also a millennial (and autistic) and most of the allistic millennials I know don't act like or relate that much to Abed, even if they do talk about media a lot. I don't think this changes anything you said in the video, but it was something that really stuck out to me and threw me off when I was watching it. Was it a deliberate decision not to mention it?
Thought I recognized Mikey's voice. Well, his vocal style more than anything. Gotta have style!
Danny Pudi is a treasure
truly one of the best comedies
An ongoing series that plays with the fourth wall really well is the Webtoon/novel series “Omniscient Reader.” I read the web comic so I’m not caught up on everything, but so far I’m amazed with how the series makes the fourth wall an essential part of the characterization of the main character. Because of his relation with the fourth wall, he ends up being incredibly easy to project onto for the audience, but he’s nowhere near a blank slate. The series is just so delicious with how it grapples with questions about where the fourth wall is drawn, what it means to be a character, and the performative nature of being a person. It’s all so elegant, you can’t help but lean in until you become part of the story, but the second layer to it is always questioning if you exist in the story as a projection onto the main character or as yourself: the force unknowable (but still felt) beyond the fourth wall.
MY JAW DROPPED. A new Innuendo Studios video?!
One of my favorite fourth wall breaks in Community comes from Shirley. In Anthropology 101 S2E1 Abed says to Shirley, "do you want to spin-off with me. We could open a hair salon together" Shirley replies, "Are you being meta?" In order for Abed to "be meta (a work of fiction being self-referential)" he would have to be a character in a TV show and not a real person. Shirley asking if he is being meta very subtly breaks the fourth wall.
At the same time tho, I kinda felt that was like, showing them as being sorta close enough for her to catch onto that? Like, throughout the show, Abed mentions meta this, meta that, and at that point, Shirley is just used to him enough that she can identify when he's trying to set up what would be a meta thing, were he in a show. (Which he is, but y'know.)
I have no idea how big this show is, and if you already know about it, but I once got a chance to watch a play called "The Play That Goes Wrong" in which the audience plays "the audience" in a show about a murder mystery play completely crumbling by the second act. It is incredibly funny and is seemingly only possible within the medium of theatre and it was the first thing that came to my mind in the first 5 minutes of this video.
dude you *gotta* talk about homestuck now. it's this. its these questions as narrative, character drama, and existential dread
You know what I've noticed about you? You're a very expressive and efficient writer. The way you use words is very deliberate and thoughtful. Thanks for sharing
An interesting version of this is the play within a play. For example, The Play That Goes Wrong. The actors are fully aware of the audience, and interact with them, but they do so as their role: really bad actors in a terrible play. This means there is both no 4th wall, as the characters respond to the audience reception of their play, and a 4th wall of the audience never interacting with the actual actors. The audience are
part of the play even as the characters don't realise it.
Another excuse to rewatch Community :D
my personal experience with this kind of 4th wall wackiness is the musical Six that I saw a few weeks ago. (warning for spoilers that i wouldn't call major but prevent a "pure" first watch) for those who haven't seen it, the elevator pitch is the six ex wives of Henry VIII are forming a pop group and cant decide on who the lead is, and decide that itll be whoever had it worst. It seems to have no 4th wall at all, it being themed as a concert. But, after Catherine Parr sings her song, they say "wouldnt it be great if this was a setup to show how we're all unique people with rich lives, not just wives of Henry VIII, oh wait it was" and you realize the last entire musical was a big farce and they do the "Five More Minutes" song and its great
Yesssss I went into that musical not fully knowing the whole arc and that twist was delightful
Does a concert break the fourth wall just by being a concert? No….
I've been doing this in my writing for years, and now I will never be able to stop actively thinking about it. Thanks, Ian~.
Great video essay about one of my all-time favorite characters. Also, loved the cameo from MoviesWithMikey.
Uh oh, new Innuendo Studios video? Time to rewatch the whole alt-right playlist series twice because I like listening to this guy speak.
I'm glad Lady Eboshi is on Nebula, it's one of my favorite of yours and I've been mentioning it throughout the years but forgetting you needed to search outside UA-cam for it.
Did any of you read the webcomic Bob and George? A central tension of that comic was its own authorship; the comic climaxed with its own author, David Anez, being saved from a would-be usurper-author by a future version of said author; all of whom were characters from the comic combining with facets of the real author. also it was done entirely in mega man sprites and star trek references
I have indeed read Bob and George in the long long ago, long enough I actually forgot that was the ending - though I did mainly go there for all the other numerous fancomics, whom ALSO did more or less the same things. So it was probably formative, even if I don't remember the exact reasons why.
I had to find the old transcript of that video just to make a point in an argument with a friend - I'm very glad to see it's still around, and to have that acknowledged... even if a couple years later.
Nebula is definitely a perfect fit for your creations
For the comedy play "The Play that Goes Wrong", there is no forth wall.
I'd actually say it's more like a 2 layered 4th wall. 4th wall A is boundary between the "gone right" story and the audience, while 4th wall B is boundary between the actors and the audience.
Five stars for Lady Eboshi is Wrong (which I just watched via my Nebula subscription). Beyond the analysis of the anime classic, there are great meta considerations for how we should judge good and evil. As a non theist Quaker, I found it a poignant expansion of the Quaker principle that there is a common connection to humanity (that of the divine) in everyone.
This is such an amazing video and I hope you make more stuff in this vain in the future
You just had to remind me of Idea Channel. I had sort of put that era of the tubes away, and now that box has gotten pulled out and dumped back out on the floor.
Also nice move to Nebula. Good stuff there.
The GI Joe episode, where Abed's GI Joe character's name is "4th Wall", is my favourite example of what this video speaks to.
Me at 9:40 "I understood that reference"
loved idea channel.
Heck yeah! I have been wanting to see you on Nebula!
The first three seasons of Community are absolute genius. I would put those seasons up against any sitcom in TV history.
I’m not sure if this counts, but I think one of the best examples of a diagenetic audience would be the “Goes Wrong” series from Misfit Theater. (The Play That Goes Wrong, Peter Pan Goes Wrong, The Goes Wrong Show, et al) The premise is that what we are seeing is a community theater company that is fairly incompetent in their craft, but we are both the audience of the actual play, and the fictional play. And they are off Broadway production, several of the stage hand characters employee audience members to help construct the stage, and the actors actively acknowledge the audience. Peter Pan Goes Wrong is available on UA-cam with commercials, I highly recommend checking it out.
i've rewatched this show 23 times. it's pretty good. the "tr*nny dance" is really funny (i am trans)
23 is a cool number, despite what people say about it
I would love for you to talk about Big Mouth at some point, although this video covers the same topics fine.
It does something interesting: the main character meets the creator of the show, who based the main character on himself as a kid. Comedy and dramatic narrative beats ensue. It’s not a one-off gag; it’s the big season finale.
So it breaks the fourth wall and then, instead of putting it back up, builds a NEW fourth wall around a broader narrative stage, swallowing up people we thought were non-diegetic and… diegeticizes them.
Omg I thought it was a return of innuendo studios but it was a reminder that nebula is super cool and that nebs is where I could find innuendo
Now make a character like abed but for video games. Let's keep it in the early days of video games say 80s-90s so that this character can ask "Ok does this mean we can save Marin from being trapped as a seagull forever now ?" every time they are asked to do anything .
Oh it's so nice to see you're back!
Thanks for the heads-up on Nebula. I already had a sub from another promo code, but I will DEFINITELY follow you there to support you and Nebula!
Glad to see this series continuing
If any of you are interested in 4th wall shenanigans built into the narrative, I highly rec Extraordinary You. It's a kdrama about a side character realising she is in a rom com comic. It's very good 🥰
super cool to see you on nebula! thanks for the new video its really cool. cool cool cool.
This is how hard I love your channel: because of this video I learned that you wear a hoodie with the hood up indoors like a hipster, and it hadn’t changed my high opinion of you in the slightest.
my apartment is cold and I have no hair!
I am so entertained to be reminded of Lady Eboshi Is Wrong. That was the first video of yours I watched, and I thought it was excellent. But it didn't take long before it was overtaken by your brilliant political video essays, which I am forever trying to direct others to.
Anyway, your work is rad!
I'm glad u mention moon girl cause I've Ben wanting to watch it but wasn't even sure what it was gonna be about
thank you for this video!!! This is exactly the kind of work I hope to do in grad school some day (critical theory-informed analysis, I mean, not video essays since I hate my voice). also I remember discussing a similar thing with some friends after watching Community, namely that if the self-reflexivity of a particular medium reaches the point where self-reflexivity is no longer unexpected, works in this medium will begin to fold in onto themselves infinitely. e.g. we'll probably have tv series with characters discussing not just the tv tropes but the ongoing metacommentary of tv tropes or something like that very soon because, like you said in the video, the fourth-wall break is normalized as our new messed-up schizophrenic fragmented reality and the meta becomes the naturalistic. I don't know though. Every piece of postmodern theory I've read since freshman year is beginning to mix together in my head. I also liked how Community, and media like Community, like to recycle some of the most outlandish visual framing from our pop culture and fatigues the audience with frivolous recontextualizations of it to the point that it's impossible to take these kinds of shots seriously anymore even in a blockbuster completely contained in its diegesis. Anyways. I already don't know where this is going anymore.
I think Rick and Morty has kind of reached that point. It now has at least two full episodes about story structure and regularly references its own self-referential nature. Frankly I find it tiresome at this point. There's even a bit where Rick points out that an occasional fourth-wall break by him works, but not if it gets too much. Which is acknowledging the problem while actively and deliberately perpetuating it.
It's kind of like if someone complained that I always replied late to e-mails and I deliberately waited a month to send "Yes, you're right, sorry about that and sorry this took a month." I'm not saying anything new about the problem by making a "meta" reference to it, I'm just being deliberately annoying.
reminds me of the band in hadestown! making the four walls less definite and blurring the line between character and instrument
there's something beautiful about the fact that the two pieces of music used in this video are a piece by satie and a lemon demon deep cut (that i swear was actually a trapezoid song, but i cant seem to verify that...)
I'm SO thrilled to hear someone else say "(pirate voice) content"
I picked that up from Mike like a decade ago.. bless his heart
Fantastic video, good job!!
thank god someone is talking about this show. I really like it but a lot of content is from when the show was on the air.
This.
Was.
Fantastic.
I really really enjoyed this discussion of the fourth wall, the breaking of the fourth wall, and the meta of pretending the fourth wall is there while breaking it...this made my fannish little heart very happy.
i don't get it, why do people like this meta stuff?
Honestly I've thought about nebula for ages, but it's basically you and Philosophy Tube that are going to finally get me onto it
This is the type of content I like from Innuendo Studios.
I thought of this idea myself at some point, storytelling like this works really well when telling a story in person, and setting it up with the audience.
And this kids is why when standing up from a table, every once in a while you need to look at your friends dead in the eye and say "Press WASD to move."
Hey i know this is pretty vague and all but thank you for your videos, they're really good :)