Siamese Dream and the Mu-Tron Bi-Phase
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- Опубліковано 16 лис 2023
- The role of the Mutron Biphase on Siamese Dream by the Smashing Pumpkins has long been a mystery to most of us. Today I hope to add some clarity as to how it was used using the popular Prophesy Sound Pi-Phase (and the Audio Damage PhaseThree plugin www.audiodamage.com/products/... )
Black Guitar:
2019 Fender American Professional Stratocaster w/ R/S/B Lace Sensors
Tuning - E Standard
Amp:
Marshall SC20C JCM800 in a Mojotone Bluesbreaker cabinet
www.mojotone.com/cabinets/vin...
Pedals:
Stomp Under Foot Pumpkin Pi - stompunderfoot.com/pumpkin-pi-1
Prophesy Sound Pi-Phase - prophecysound.com/products/pip...
Boss OC-2 - www.reverb.com
Made by Mike DistII - www.madebymike.co.uk/dist2.shtml
EHX Microsynth - www.ehx.com/products/micro-sy...
Jordan Buzz Tone - www.mahoneyguitargear.com/buzz...
MXR Phase 100 - www.jimdunlop.com/mxr-phase-100/
Strymon Deco - www.strymon.net/product/deco/
Eventide H9 Max - www.eventideaudio.com/product...
JHS 3 Series Comressor - www.jhspedals.info/3-series-c...
Bass:
Squire Affinity J Bass direct
Gear for Recording:
Universal Audio OX
Steinberg UR-RT2 Interface
Logic Pro
Audio Damage PhaseThree
Amplitube Custom Shop
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The mellon collie video is gonna go crazy
I came here specifically for "Rocket" and you delivered. Thank you.
Now that Jeff Schroeder left SP, maybe you can become their guitarist and reintroduce them to their old sound, and maybe SP can write good rock songs again
… and then I woke up from a dream. 🤣
That would be a dream job. Jeff’s shoes are very big though.
11’s.
How dare you!!…spit facts like that.
@@Domn879 🤣🤣🤣
@@Farold_Haltermeyer dammit. I'm a 12.
Dude, you friggin rule. Found the channel looking for how the mutron biphase was specifically used on SD. wow man, i found what i was looking for and so much more
You and Aaron Rash are the absolute kings of tone recreation as far as I’m concerned, I’m so glad I found your channel
Thank you! I’m a big fan of Aaron. He’s definitely a real engineer while I’m a nerd with a computer so that’s a big compliment!
When it comes down to it that's all any of us are, can't wait to see what you have in store for us next. @@EddieClark
Thanks for the info Eddie, used the Bi-Phase plugin on my Today cover I just uploaded, it made a big difference to the tone! 🙌
Watching you slowly reconstruct the Siamese Dream sound since I first found your channel has been amazing.. like a reality TV show or multi-part documentary. Guess this is the conclusion now..?
I have a video I’m working on to go over how to get this sound using only plugins. I have a couple other ideas as well that I want to try out before moving onto another album.
I get so excited whenever I see you upload
no same, underrated UA-camr
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All of you. Thank you. I'm glad you're enjoying the videos!
you're channel is amazing and what I was looking for since the 90's, please do more Pumpkins video !
I can apprecaite how much time and effort has been put into these videos to make them dripping with substance, but I still want MORE!!
I always get so “pumped” ;) when you release new video! Thank you for all the meticulous sound work you do to bring the secrets of pumpkins to us mere mortals.
I’m just glad people like watching them as much as I like making them. That said, I too am mortal my friend. 🤣
Love your approach and absolute dedication to tone ❤
Thank you very much 🙏
I’ve watched this video twice in the past few weeks, it’s so nerdlicious - Can’t wait to see more deep-dives like this. Siamese Dream was the album that blew the doors open in my head as to what amazing things electric guitars, effects, & amps can do. Still just an absolute delight to listen to
Someone who is knowledgeable in guitar pedals is worth their weight in gold! I could never afford most pedals.....but if there's a schematic, I can build it.
I am positive there is a schematic out there for the MuTron Bi-Phase. Building one would be an amazing project! I’ve toyed with building one just so I can have one to mess with the circuit. Pedal knowledge is good but the skills to build them is even better 👍
You sir, are an ABSOLUTE MANIAC! And I love you for it.
Love your videos Eddie. I'm a guitar player and Siamese Dream is my favorite album of all time so you really are after my own heart. Keep up the good work!
I appreciate it! I’ll do my best 💪
The dedication and quality is exquisite in here 😎
Welcome back Eddieeeeeee! 🤟
This was so insightful! I had no idea they use a cocked phaser for that sound, but it’s pretty undeniable when compared. I can’t believe how close you got with a $100 guitar and plugins. 👏👏👏
Man, I always appreciate the hard work and damn near tone obsession hou have. You make it easier for the rest of us that are chasing the Pumpkins sound, or similar stuff. A lot of this setup would make great Shoegaze music.
Great appreciated and thanks for watching. I use my Pumpkins board for shoegaze noise on the rare occasion when I bring it out to play with other people. It’s a stupidly heavy board at this point though 🤣
@@EddieClark Be glad you didn't decide to recreate Adam Jones's sound!
Mate… I went down that road in 2001. It was frustrating lol
They’re one of my top 5 bands of all time.
@@EddieClark hell, at least back then you had a chance at getting the right amp for less than $20k. Old Diezel Bluefaces are ridiculous these days. I'm debating whether or not I want to try out the VHX. I've already got his live pedal board all built out, just need to find an amp (or three) that gets me there.
Awesome video!
Thank you for your work, it's awesome
Happy to. Thank you!
Thanks Eddie. Warm Audio also released the Mutation Phasor II as a simplified bi-phase clone. It may help to approximate the sound on a budget.
Warm Audio makes great stuff but unfortunately the Mutation II is missing foot control for the sweep. This means it cannot be used as a static filter. Otherwise I will put money down that it sounds incredible 👍
amazing! How you only have 2300 subscribers is insane
can you do a video of your amp settings and everything on ampilitube? sounds great man
I have a video about how I use Amplitube in the works. The amp settings are simple:
Master, Bass, Middle - 10
Presence - 9
Treble - 1
Preamp - 6
Low input
far out, amazing work. instant sub.
Thank you 🙏
this guy is the aaron rash of tsp i already love this
All these sounds, effects and tones must have been a nightmare for Butch Vig to record and mix, since nothing like that had ever been done before, and I strongly believe he got out of that album the best recording and mixing engineer we all know and that I most admire.
Hi Jeff, thanks for another incredible video! Siamese Dream will always have a special place in my heart as one of the formative albums of my teenage years, along with Enema of the State and a few others.
I'd love to see a video about that gorgeous HS surf green strat and your customized Marshalls!
The GOAT is back!!
That Rocket intro was awesome! I love the attention to detail in your videos. I’ve just checked and my Helix has a Bi-Phase copy so that’s my weekend sorted :) Be interesting to see how the Behringer sounds in comparison.
I think you’re going to have a good weekend. Please report back on how it goes!
what do you mean by rocket intro? is this a track or a part of the song I don't know about? because I really love it
Yo this is crazy how close you got to the original sound of the album. Freaking great job 👏
16 year old me thanks you ❤
Thank you!🙏
That “Rocket” intro made me question reality for a second. There’s usually an “uncanny valley” with a lot of “here’s how you get this tone” videos, but that was like 99.999999% right. A lot can also be credited to your phenomenal talent for nailing the nuance of the playing. Given how notoriously multi-tracked the guitar parts were on the recording, do you multi-track your recorded riffs in your videos?
That Rocket intro was 5 guitars. 2 panned left, 2 right and the sweeping guitar up the middle. I don’t like spending too much time leading up to things. I hate “wait until the end blah blah blah” channels.
Thanks for watching!
can you elaborate why people say it’s a „Rocket” intro?
@@karolwojcicki6214it was the intro to the song entitled “Rocket.” Off of the album *Siamese Dream*. Nothing about the technique or anything; simply the name of the song.
@@UnconsciousChanting thank you! I got a little confused, because yes, I know Rocket and later he does play it, so it all adds up. I was wondering what is the first thing Eddie is playing at the start of the video, and I thought you were referring to this for some reason 😅
Just found ur channel. Awesome video man. U have one more subscriber. 😁
Thank you for this video. Its super helpful. Boy would i love to pick your brain for an hour as am going through the rebirth of my Pumpkins (and Bush) phase.
Best way to get me is on Instagram
@@EddieClarkmessage sent in IG
My PI phase and Hartman flanger do all the filter and swoosh needed for pumkins. I sold 2 original Bi phases in the mid 2000's and even knew they would get past my budget going forward. I think those large folded boxes have some mojo that doesn't translate into sound, but thexperience using them is so wild.
Cool videos, I never try to match anything as close as you but it's very interesting to see someone put the effort in and how you got there.
I just showed my dad the music video for rocket yesterday and now this shows up in my recommended
That Google/UA-cam algorithm doing its thing.
… the real question is; did your dad like the Rocket music video?
@@EddieClark he did
dude your tone is better than the record, kudos
I always assumed that Billy and Butch were being completely sarcastic when they said that the mutron was used on everything.
But you might be onto something!
I used to think the same thing but putting it on top of the Muff brings that unique top end sizzle and to the recording without any EQ. It was a real revelation for me
@@EddieClark I never realized you could freeze the phase in the sweep.
Same here. That was really a game changer. It changes the use of the pedal 👌
Nice video. thanks. The stuff you played at first sounds like what billy corgan used to write
Boss had a micro rack phaser in the late 80s which might do the job. You could manually sweep the phase in a static filtery mode which was really reminiscent of Pumpkins' Siamese Dream era sound.
Great videos on the Siamese Dream sound! I purchased the Audio Damage Phase Three plugin and new to using it. What setting can you please recommend helping achieve the SD tone when ran with Amplitube 5? Appreciate any help you can provide!
Thank you! I have a video on this topic coming out soon that covers how I approach doing this.
I REALLY miss the old Pumpkins guitar sound.😫
Mick Ronson did a similar thing with his wah pedal…he used it more as a filter to get that famous “cocked wah” sound he used all over Bowie’s “The Man Who Sold The World” LP.
Great vid!! Out of curiosity have u tried out the Umbrella Company Mayonaise? Curious what a super fan thinks of it
I have not tried one but I’ll be in Japan in a couple weeks so I’ll try and track one down
@@EddieClark that'd be pretty awesome!!
No one talks about the bi-phase ❤
Would love to see a signal chain diagram if possible. Great vid!
The Rocket intro was:
Boss OC-2 (sub octave off, low octave barely audible) -> OpAmp Big Muff -> PiPhase -> Amp
The two channels left and two channels right used the BiPhase with the foot controlled set static (no sweeping sound) but the center channel I used the BiPhase foot controller sweep to replace the EHX Electric Mistress sweep.
I think you can use an expression pedal on the deco and sweep the lag time. Would act like an Electric Mistress sweep. Could be wrong, but I just bought an expression pedal to try it. Also I regularly use the MXR Q Zone as a filter effect - gets the Mick Ronson Ziggy Stardust sound or the Rocket filter sound.
That would definitely work as well for the intro filter sweep on Rocket. I use the Deco lag time to get a filtered sound with the Big Muff and it sound great. Not quite the same as Siamese Dream like the Bi Phase but I think it’s generally more useful from a live perspective.
loved the video and what the actual fuuuu with the pedal, it's so rad
Great! If SP ever stops playing, you can start a tribute band!
I don’t think I could do it. My voice is not exactly musical 🤣
those old Mu-Tron pedals are so rad. especially for a big Jerry Garcia fan like myself. I have the newer Micro-Tron and it's pretty great. little pricey. but great.
Very interesting... Being a 3-stage phaser, the Bi-Phase will basically introduce three steep notches into the signal. From looking into the schematic, the notch frequencies are a factor of about 3.7 apart, so e.g. 106.4Hz - 397Hz - 1469 Hz, depending on the position of the expression pedal.
I tried creating a similar notch effect with the parametric eq in my Helix with very promising results. Might play around with this a bit more to find the frequencies that are closest, though probably they might be different for different songs or even different guitar layers on the same song.
Love this. This is the right direction to go if you’re not using a phaser. Would love to hear the end result!
how are you doing that on helix?
@@dariohenriquez7773 Ballistic Fuzz -> Para EQ with q maxed and gain set to -12 for the three frequencies I calculated -> Placater clean (marshall style clean tone) -> T75 cab with c414
@@jannik19191 nice thanks im gonna try. i've experimented a lot with para eq but i don't really get how it works seems like black magic lol
Great video. Where those your settings in the picture you showed of the Mutron Biphase? I use a Helix and it has this in the effects and I wanted to try it out in the preset I use for Today.
Thank you. 🙏
I’m glad you enjoyed it. The settings you see in the video are the settings I use. I’m sure the Helix does a good job of emulating it. Let me know how it goes 👍
@@EddieClark I have always been afraid of that effect but at least I can attempt want you did. Hopefully it works out LOL. By the way for the clean intro to Today do you think he used the JCM800 or maybe something clean like a Fender Twin?
The 800 low input sounds exactly correct for the clean sound.
I messaged JHS about looking into doing a new muff that also has this filter included.. fingers crossed that they do it.. I sited your video as reference..
I had been speaking to @JPTRFX about this as well. I would love a Warlow that has this type of filtering added in a parallel blend on top of the Warlow. Think of sending the output of the Warlow to a parallel blend pedal like a GigRig Wetter box blended the raw Warlow with a Warlow AND BiPhase circuit. That would be a slick pedal IMHO.
When you split the signal with the wetter box, the signal going to the SUF Pumpkin Pi and the PI Phase are you locking the Pi Phase with toe up or toe down? P.S. Love to see the settings on the Pi Phase close up (or any info). Thanks again for ANY info.
Infanem Faye Sing A is a Mu-Tron / Schulte inspired phaser w/ a manual mode that allows for parked-phaser "notched" tones. EXP pedal capable. Jeff Schroeder used one.
You just blew my mind. That sounds extremely similar to I’m using the Pi-Phase but perhaps a little more pedal board friendly. Great tip!
You might also want to try Spaceman Effects Explorer or Explorer Deluxe that have the manual filter mode to lock the phase sweep. They're both pedal board friendly.
Do you know if Corgan used a Bi Phase in his chain back then? This is fascinating! At the very beginning of your video I thought yeah a phaser would act like a filter, but you'd have to remain static somewhere in the sweep. Then you immediately said what I was thinking! haha I dodn't even know a phaser COULD remain static, because I hardly ever use one anyway! You got tremendous results, particularly with that incredibly janky thrown together rig with the $100 guitar. Amazing results and creativity while improvising with available tech, right on the spot!
Thanks for watching. Corgan and Butch Vig used the BiPhase extensively on Siamese Dream. I doubt he ever tried to use it in a live situation but I would n argue it’s on more tracks than even the OpAmp Big Muff. One thing I only alluded to in the video is the clean tones. Even those sound more like Siamese Dream with the BiPhase engaged.
A similar effect can be achieved using a Subdecay Prometheus DLX with the depth and the resonance controls set almost to zero and using the frequency control to pick your mid frequency.
It has the advantage that it introduces a little bit of nearly imperceptible movement as the filter opens and closes making quite monolithic sounds a bit more dynamic.
@@EddieClark Very cool, thanks!
Im curious what ur thoughts on a current Mu-Tron Bi-Phase 2 is. Im just curious about the current Mu-Tron products in general
I have a pi phase and a current reissue bi-phase that mutron still makes for about $500, and compared them to my friend’s original vintage biphase for a few hours one night. They were identical sounding, but the pi and new bi are much smaller 😂 the old one is the size of a small mixing console, and the foot controller looks like it came off a tank! The new version has cv in as well. I love the biphase sound, so good!
@willjam3068 Glad to hear that. I am curious to just play around with the new one but my gut was telling me just what you found. They’re all the same circuit with different packaging.
You're right! It sounds like a filter because phase shifting, by definition, is filtering, or more accurately a series of all-pass filters being modulated in unison, which is then blended with the dry signal and usually comes with some sort of audio feedback integration. Interestingly, a flanger is more or less the same thing, albeit with many more stages; sometimes as many as 24 filter stages with lots more feedback (which is responsible for the 'aircraft taking off' sort of sound).
I've always loved the Bi-Phase because typical phasers like the MXR Phase 90/100 or Boss PH-2 have their phase modulated by an LFO, which is nice but the effect gets old quick imo. Having the ability to manually modulate the phaser's full frequency band is so powerful and useful for so many applications and instruments.
Eddie, What octave pedal did Billy use on Siamese Dreams? a mutron octave + plus pedal. Did Billy tune to Eb standard or D standard because it sounds like Siamese Dreams is very layered guitars. You mention using a EHX Badstone turning OFF the LFO switch using the phaser as a filter sounds more "metallic" compared to the mutron Bi-phase? can you compared the EHX Badstone filter with the mutron Bi phase Filter in a video lesson because this is a major part of Siamese dream guitar tone.
Thanks for watching. There were a couple octave effect pedals on SD. In the case of Rocket, it’s a Boss OC-2 while the Cherub Rock solo uses the Microsynth octave effect. Some songs were tuned to E standard, some were Eb, some were dropped D. He seemed to choose the tuning on a song by song basis. When I have a Bad Stone again, I will compare them but the ultimate is a BiPhase or clone if you want to get exact.
He used a EHX micro synthesizer.
Wait. What's that closing snippet of music?? Love it.
Thanks! It’s just something I recorded.
you may want to look into ehx pedals with the 'filter matrix' function, allows you to do the same thing but with a LOT of tweakability (at least on the old polychorus).. kurt cobain used this same kinda thing on in utero for a lot of guitar tracks.
I did end up buying a clone of the old Mistress with Filter Matrix and I really love it (an Elastic Mattress). It's a really great sound but it doesn't quite do it like a BiPhase. The BiPhase is infinitely more tweakable than the filter matrix mode of an EHX Pedal.
@@EddieClark ahh interesting, i would really love a bi-phase clone at some point, seems like a pedal id love even aside from the siamese sounds
@@johnpickk7526 it's an amazing pedal. I avoided it for a long time and I wish I had gotten on board earlier. It has a character to it that I love and other phasers can't match.
Is there any chance i could get tabs for the little beginning riff?
🤘😈🤘🔥🔥🔥
at 5:57 it looks like the guitars are panned about 50% to the sides, is there a reason the guitars aren't hardpanned ? Is it the way it's done in the record too ?
i think they are hard panned on the record.
you can tell as the drums on the record are mixed very mono due to the wide stereo image of the guitars filling up the stereo space.
To be very honest, I was mixing on garbage $10 headphones and I didn’t get the panning right at all. They’re generally very panned on the album. I should have just hard panned them and left it.
Thank you both for answering!!!
Have you found a way to reproduce the tape flange effect on some of the solos, I think Cherub Rock? (I know must people use a uni-vibe here)
Thanks for watching! I covered the effects chain for Cherub Rock in this video here:
The Lead Guitar Sounds of Siamese Dream (The Smashing Pumpkins)
ua-cam.com/video/KCegzAXgpEA/v-deo.html
@@EddieClark Thanks. I started to watch that video and apparently I didn't get to that part. Must of gotten distracted. I went back and finished it! Most excellent!
I have a pi-phase, never tried using an expression pedal with it.
It makes it into a whole new pedal. Have fun with it 👍
I need to play my jimmy drum licks with this guy
All most guitarists want is a drummer than can play Jimmy licks :)
6:36
"...to get your Big Muff to stick out a bit more"
hehehehehe
Sorry to keep bugging you.. 🤞You can help me. I picked up a EH bad stone today because of the locked filter. Besides setting it to manual mode. How would you have the Rate, Feedback and Manual knobs set to achieve the sound you're describing? I can't seem to nail it down or perhaps it should be in auto mode and not manual mode with correct knob settings I'm missing. Thanks in advance for any help 🤞 I really appreciate all your help ♥
I would keep the feedback low then track with other settings in various locations to get a full frequency sound when the tracks are combined. If your trying to use it live, you may want to look at an pedal that can allow for a “clean blend” so that the filtered sound can mix with a dry Big Muff sound.
Thanks for watching!
@@EddieClark Thanks again. I really appreciate all your work and help. ❤ P.S. I was also able to get a hold of the original Behringer Bi-Phase. The one that was discontinued (mint and unused). 👍
Is there any way to get my hands on one of these the webpage says ceased production ☹️
The Pi-Phase needs to be purchased used but there is also the Mutron BiPhase II which is a biphase in a smaller package. You can also look for a Behringer clone.
@@EddieClark oh ok thank you for the reply and great video by the way! The rocket cover was amazing!
@@EddieClark would you happen to know any sites besides reverb that might sell one of these? My experience with reverb has been terrible they keep suspending my account.
I do not. I had to grab mine from Reverb
"Stick your big muff out a bit more" lmao i love it.
Glad somebody caught it lol
Thanks for watching!
I had a "bi-phase", now I "pan" right up the middle. ;)
I see what you did there 🤣
what was the song you were playing at the very beginning?
I was just something I made up for the intro. Thanks for watching!
Is there another octave pedal you could use besides the micro synth? I have Boss OC5, MXR Octavia, Whammy pedal, Ehx Attack Decay . I'll experiment, but I'm not sure if you knew any good substitutes for the microsynth. Thanks
I should have been more clear on the octave pedal part. For Rocket, the Octave pedal is the Boss OC-2. Your OC-5 should fit the bill nicely. I run in with the sub octave off and the low octave just barely audible to get the octave effect for Rocket.
@EddieClark I'm guessing it would be on vintage mode, not polyphonic mode, with the OC-5 to get closer to the OC-2 sound? Btw I looked up that EQD Bit Commander pedal it sounds almost identical to the microsynth pedal maybe better tracking too.
@@Musicislife668 I would start at vintage mode. It's going to be a lot closer to the OC-2. That said, the effect is used so subtly that it probably doesn't matter too much.
@@Musicislife668 I would start at vintage mode. It's going to be a lot closer to the OC-2. That said, the effect is used so subtly that it probably doesn't matter too much.
Wasn't it Oberheim, not Moog that did the Maestro phasor?
Thanks for watching. It was definitely Bob Moog’s company that designed it and the entire Stage line of effects.
I may have missed it, but I don't think you ever said which plugin you were using for the Bi-Phase. Is it the Arturia plugin?
You’re right, I didn’t specify. My bad. I’m not using the Arturia one either though. I’m not in front of my laptop right now but I’ll come back in an hour or so with the answer and I’ll put it in the video description.
@@EddieClark thanks! Much appreciated!
@@evitative462 the plugin I'm using is the Audio Damage PhaseThree. I'll add it to the description.
@@EddieClark Thanks! Looks like they have a PhaseTwo plugin as well, but that one is free (in case anyone feels like trying it out).
doood what on earth is that fuzz tone at the start and why does it sustain so crazy
It’s exactly what I describe in the video. Big Muff and BiPhase 👍
both the lead and the rhythm are the bi phase with the muff?
Yup. I double tracked the lead an octave apart though.
thank you I have to get one, so cool!
I noticed you have a wetter box in your chain. what do you use that for in parallel?
The Electric Mistress is a cool pedal. Too bad all the bucket brigade IC’s go bad in them. There’s really good clones out there now.
1000000%. I ended up purchasing an Elastic Mattress to fill the void. Using that to get the sweep on Rocket while playing the stereo tracks through the static BiPhase gets even closer than what I posted here. Magic circuit.
Thanks for watching 👍
Is there any reason why you picked PROPHECYSOUND over the BEHRINGER?
I like the form factor and prophesy sound pedals are very nicely built. Either will do the job but the Behringer needs an active 5v CV from the expression pedal for this to work.
Thank you for replying back your so helpful
Wait! Ur in Thailand? It's where I live. Need a guide? ;)
I train Muay Thai so at this point, I spend 3-4 months of the year over here. I love this place. I’m up in Chiang Mai and meeting up with a subscriber here tonight!
Where can you buy this?
It’s a discontinued pedal so somewhere like reverb but you can look for the Behringer or the MuTron Reissue as well. They will all get you there. 👍
opening tuk tuk scene looks like youre in bkk
That's exactly where I filmed those shots. Good catch!
@@EddieClark i lived in bkk for about 7yrs. just recently left.
Did you leave Thailand on the whole? I just arrived back in Chiang Mai about a week ago. BKK is a little too hectic for me but I love the general lifestyle here.
@@EddieClark back in US now but i have biz partners in bkk (and in singapore). bkk is indeed hectic but amazing. CM is beautiful though.
This sounded awesome, looked up how much one costs....ouch
Thanks! A used Behringer is a cheaper option if you can find one. They’re more reasonably priced and they’re the same circuit
@EddieClark i use a OBNE Visitor and got a great slow phase out of it
Do you have a lizard?? It looked like it was enjoying the tunes
We have two crested geckos. My girlfriend got me into them. They often poke out when they hear music being played.
If they can, why won’t SP make more of the sound from the early days? Make what people want!
They can say they want the freedom to do whatever they want and not be like circus animals doing stuff they don’t like just for the audience…
Well … make it ROCK then … don’t they like to Rock?
They can make other silly stuff on side projects…
We are orphans of good bands nowadays, SP please adopt us with rocking songs… not much to ask if you got the skills…
End of rant.
I'm with you. I would love to hear that sound revisited. I think artists sometimes get stuck feeling like they must surpass all aspects of previous works.
This is not where good art comes from. Making what other people want to hear rather than what you want to express is how you get St Anger, Scream and many other mis-step records. If Billy had done that after Melon Collie we would never have had Adore and the Pumpkins wouldn't be such an interesting band. I do agree that the quality hasn't been there since Oceania though.
@@EddieClark pretty much this right here. It was pretty obvious that was the path Billy was going down when he started talking about MCIS and what it meant for the Pumpkins in terms of their musical style.
Aww flip!!! Just forget it, man! Plugins don't help with live performance. And I don't have extra thousands of dollars.
Thanks for the video...
You don’t need thousands. As I mentioned, there are cheaper alternatives that sound the same.
reverb.com/item/74124623-behringer-dual-phase-v-2-aka-bi-phase?
I just got a Dual Phase pedal from Behringer and it’s pretty close to the Mu-Tron. Well, as close as you can expect for only £149! It’s got a CV socket for an expression pedal but I’m not sure if it controls the rate of the sweep, or if it controls the sweep itself, like the way you could control the Mu-Tron.
Does anyone out there know?
The CV port is where you plug in the expression pedal 👍
@@EddieClark Yeah, I know, but what I’m trying to find out is what it controls. Is it the actual sweep of the phase shifting, to get the filter-like effect of a cocked wah, or just changes the rate at which it sweeps?
In other words, does the Behringer’s CV control behave the same way as the PiPhase in the video?
It controls the sweep or rate sweep depending on the which options you select for pedal/CV control