What’s really behind Red Bull’s scathing criticism of F1’s 2026 plans
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- Опубліковано 19 чер 2024
- Red Bull and its world champion Max Verstappen have launched a scathing criticism of F1’s 2026 car plans.
As Red Bull prepares to build its first ever F1 engine in conjunction with Ford, the team has called for urgent action to be taken before the rules for the championship’s next generation car are finalised.
But is the stance taken by the likes of Verstappen and Christian Horner really born from an altruistic concern about F1’s future spectacle, or is arch-rival Mercedes right to question whether Red Bull has a hidden agenda?
00:00 Red Bull wants changes
00:30 What it doesn't like
03:05 Verstappen joins in
05:02 Is there more to it?
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in my opinion the problem leans more towards the proposed chassis changes. if theyre trying to make smaller, lighter cars then wouldn't active aero and heavier engines be seriously counterintuitive? max wanting simple, driveable cars is not unreasonable at all
Yh that’s what I’m trying to grasp with, Lithium batteries are much heavier than the V6 when giving power and it’s not constant either, they are going to be heavier and much less faster
Aren't new engines supposed to be simpler and lighter? And I'm pretty sure I've heard they intend to phase out active aero (DRS) in the future.
@@mondodimotorielectric engines are kind of the opposite of light
@@mondodimotori the active aero changes they are planning are entirely separate from DRS and would function differently, and act as a sort of "replacement" in a way. Hope this helps
It's none of Max's business. All of the teams and drivers fight to get the rules they want, that's part of the sport.
I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle. They're scared of the new reliance on engine power because they could lose out to Mercedes, Honda or Ferrari. But also the weight increase is God awful. I thought they proposed to make the cars lighter, not heavier. In that sense the regs are awful.
yeah exactly but even looking at FE and electric road cars they are all very heavy because of of those big batteries so weight will be an issue
Fix your Effing battery horner
@@nabstergaming2859 anyone even with just half a brain knows electric battery powered cars arent sustainable future option, if anything hydrogen is the future, hate how private business interest is wasting valuable recourses and polluting our planet just so they can profit off of some ignorant ppl who want to feel "green" and like they care, when reality is 20 year old cars both petrol and diesel have lesser pollution footprint than any electric battery car. all this investment in electric battery cars us such a waste.
No, there is no "truth lies somewhere in the middle" here. Saying they are worried that they could lose out to rival teams is completely unfounded. Not only is the weight and size going to get worse, but the cars are going to get less powerful because they will be running at 500hp normally and will only have a few seconds of full power, then needing to recharge for a few laps. The battery and energy regen can't keep up with the motor.
If the reason is because of the power unit, then asking for higher ratio of combustion engine is the exact opposite to expect.
i agree with Horner, I dont understand why F1 wants to electrrify so much if they will use 100% sustainable fuels. Just ditch the electric part and make a small and nimble car which will improve racing
Have you not noticed, the car manufacturing industry is turning towards electric? Most countries have banned the production of Petrol and diesel cars from about 2030
Agreed, and find a way to design cars that don’t need DRS to pass
@@youngster30uk so? in most countries you cant own guns but there are still shooting competitions.
@@youngster30uk and? I can't buy a car with slicks yet F1 drives with them. F1 isn't road cars.
Horner is worried that Mercedes will smoke RB in 2026😂😂
I think his concerns are warranted. The FIA has clearly been trending towards slower, heavier, and quieter cars all for the sake of the environment because they care more about "optics" rather than the entertainment aspect of the sport. The emissions from the cars themselves are but a "speck" in comparison to the logistics (cargo planes/semis etc).
If RB/Max are accurate in their statement if I was liberty I'd think again about not selling F1 for 20 billion to the Saudis, because if 2026 is as said, they struggle to get 2 billion for it not long after that.
This. Is. Spot. On. 🤌 thank you for the comment. Honestly, just let them race and make awesome cars. There’s nothing environmentally friendly about racing cars in the first place. Let’s not pretend it will be when they run through 6 plus sets of tires in a weekend.
you forget that the teams within F1 want to push the envelope , car manufacturers want to develop new tech, F1 is and has been doing this for years. Hybrid rules are bringing in more car manufacturers, this is good for the sport.
This isn't nascar.
@@travisfubu9053 woooosh
You guys are thick headed. It is not about the emissions the cars put out, it is about the technology these manufacturers are spending millions upon millions of dollars on. Like it or not, all of these companies have missions on reducing their carbon footprint and if the technology in Formula 1 does not align with that, then we do not have any engine manufacturers.
I do wish they'd lower the weight and go for lighter, smaller cars. If it's all about sustainability and efficiency, being smaller brings both those things.
It isn't about that though - it's pure corporate virtue-signalling.
@@TyRaidd True. Electric cars have there own sets of problems, especially in manufacturing. Making a care "more electric" doesn't make it more sustainable.
Electric cars are a lie, and they want to destroy or beloved sport
As of right now with the new energy limit, it seems like the ICE will be close to 500bhp. In addtion to that, the new MGU-K will be able to put out 469 bhp, but obviously not for the whole lap, because the recovery system is not powerful enough. Do we really want to see F1 cars that approach a corner with only 500bhp and then lift and coasting for 200m before the corner? It´s not the 70s anymore... For me personally that is not enough, so i guess i am on RBs side in this case.
Even in the late 70s they had more than 500bhp lmao these new engine rules are a disaster honestly lol
However I would be naive to say RB doesnt have an agenda either as well
I also see the weight as a terrible thing. These cars are getting so incredibly heavy already. This next regulation will make it worse.
@@Ceece20 these cars need to go on a crash diet!
They are obese as racing cars
If they can't make a car within the budget and technical restraints then maybe they shouldn't be competing and room should be made for others to come in and try their hand. This is F1 the pinnacle of motorsport engineering, they'll find a way.
@@heisenballs They're not saying they can't make a car within the rules. What they're saying is that from the data they've seen, the rules look to be rubbish!
Awesomely both Horner and Max have given concrete reasons why these new rules will be bad for F1:
- Massive batteries that will create packaging and cooling problems.
- The need for cars to downchange on straight to charge batteries for laptime advantage.
- overtaking becoming more difficult due to active aero making following harder.
Given its likely consensus won't be reached to change the regulations, we will have a solid test for if Redbull sre telling us the truth or not.
I'll be honest though, when the 2014 regulations were proposed and people said it was going to create ugly nose tips, and force drivers to lift and coast to save fuel in races, they were called doom mongers too, and when the cars arrived they had ugly nose tips and the drivers needed to lift and coast in races.
When the 2022 rule changes were pronounced they said the cars will be slower and follow closer increasing overtakes, that came true too.
So I'm not going to lie, when someone so vigorously makes specific warnings about an upcoming rule change, and people ignore them, I feel concerned.
They have 3 years to develop the car and work on potential problems. The changes were just announced, there is no way in hell they understand them correctly in such a short time. They could be right of course, but its too early to tell if that's actually going to be the case.
LOL no other team is worried juts redbull imagine this same year there works engine comes tolight and will be responsible for 50% of the cars power *thinking*
@@BlinkyBill_given Red Bulls ridiculous advantage currently who do you think is paying the most attention to 2026 refs? I’ll give you a hint it’s not Toto
And honestly if his driver and team weren't miles out in front he would get more support. It wouldn't matter what he said at the moment, he has a massive target on him and all other teams are adjusting their sights. Even if its as simple as not supporting him in this issue.
Why would you not listen to what your current dominating driver and team are saying. They obviously know what they are doing.
@@E_Clip Define correctly though...the changes arent that huge and it's still all the same concepts where logical conclusions can be drawn. It's all relatively simple engineering with known requirements at this stage.
I just want to see an F1 race and NOT know who's going to win before a lap is turned.
you must be new here! there is one or two seasons a decade that goes like that.
It's kind of par for the course in f1. I'd recommend any feeder series, FE or indycar if you want unpredictable open wheel racing
@@seanonraet8327 Normally Indycar, but Palou is running away with it this year
Don't watch f1 then because that's been the case for the majority of seasons since the early 90s
F1 is a development series... whoever builds the fastest car dominates. The drivers might sell the sport, but it's actually an engineer's motorsport, that's where the magic is. Welcome to F1.
Yes, there is an hidden agenda, any F1 team principale always has a hidden agenda's. But I do feel Max's arguments are pretty compelling and raise real risks. I also feel that the active aero part takes away a big part of the 'art' of finding mechanical grip to keep drag down. This in combination with the new engine rules wil make the engine way more influential in deciding what car will perform best.
So in summary, RBs issue is that they think the batteri is to small to constantly reach top speed att power circuit, but increasing the batteri size will make the car heavier and the racing worse.
still got to be charged ... that wouldnt help
I think the problem is the recovery system. There is not enough energy to recover, for the rules to work
😂😂 if race said it like this the video won’t be long enough to be monetised and they can’t trigger toxic rb and merc fan bois to have battles in the comments section, you don’t understand the business mate😂😂😂
The battery tech isn’t there. There’s ample technical analysis to support what Horner has said- the level of regen needed to match the output is not physically possible under the 2026 rules/tech
The cars are already so massive and heavy and they’ll get even worse for 2026
Obviously Horner is batting for his one interests but he’s absolutely right that these cars will be frankenstein monsters and nothing like the nimbler lighter cars some promised 2026 would deliver. They are getting closer and closer to FE sadly
basically i think RB are concerned the battery management/tech/knowledge other engine have will leave them exposed as they are seeing issues.
Too early to tell at this point, peope who dislike RB and Max are going to say they're just whining, people who dislike Merc are going to say Toto is whining. Both sides won't argue against something that works in their favor, but it doesn't mean there cannot be a legitimate problem with the rules.
I think the truth as usual lies somewhere in the middle
RB concerns about the engine are legit and anyone who read the regulations change saw the potential issues from last year but at the same time they want to maintain their dominance by any means
Mercedes are right saying the regs have been known for time and RB had a seat at the table as well as part of RBPT but they know they have more engine expertise than RB and are more likely to make a better engine than them
I don’t like these new regulations at all but the rules have been made and settled on for about a year so it’s time to make their engines
@@travisfubu9053 I agree , Redbull have pulled this PR stance in the past by getting the engine freeze which now they are benefiting from with Max winning 2021/22/23 F1 Championships , so this isn't new and obviously they wanna maintain their dominance by any means.🤷🤷🤷 So will see if this Engine regulations will be changed.
@@travisfubu9053 yeah, Hamilton should shut his mouth
Oh wait…
I’m on the wrong thread. My bad
@@travisfubu9053 You make it sound like it's a playground full of 8 year olds. I think Cartoon Network would be a better option for you.
The thing is Ferrari backed Redbull and they have no reason to do it
Toto saying f1 is innovative enough to fix these problems, but needed a technical directive to fix the porpoising on his own cars. Brilliant.
He is just waiting fir the moment where he can tell Horner to "fix your fucking car" hahaha.
So he’s right their hit rate is good. Porpoising was one of very few issues they haven’t been able to fix and yet he said “f1”, not his team - F1 did fix porpoising, look at red bull…
I'm not always thrilled with Horner but on this topic I totally agree. 60-40 with sustainable fuel is plenty. Look at Seb running his V-10 during exhibitions with sustainable fuel, it has that awesome sound ( that these will never have) and power. Why do we need 50-50? No!
2.4lt six cylinder engines, natrually aspirated, synthetic Fuel and no addition weight with electronics .... done!
And get Seb to head up a working group to do environmental projects in the name of F1.
My reasonable suggestion would be:
2.0 turbo inline 4. Most relevant engine in the world, might get some good innovation. Would be very interesting how they would package it. And 80/20 with Combustion/electric power wise so that we have less hybrid stuff that makes them heavy.
(Would rather have V10s again, but it's ain't gonna happen)
I am worried about the 2026 regs as well. The entire list of complaints fans have is just being ignored honestly in the search of technology
Explain what’s being ignored? I’m curious
@@twincam20mruse of sustainable fuels without the use of batteries
restoring v8s or v12s back into f1
That’s f1 tho, it’s always been about pushing technology and the race to be the most innovative. Fans shouldnt really have a say anyways, it’s a sport!
@@beanlentilbringing back v8s or bigger engines isn’t happening. F1 is and has allways been for targeting the future of motorsport and motoring in general. Going back to those engines (as much as i would like to) is going backwards in development. Smaller engines like v6s and maybe I6 or i5/i4 could potentially sound very good (especially an i5, as a mini v10). But the main focus is efficiency. They probably wont drop the hybrid as it would massively drop efficiency on the car and counter the environmental help of the co2 neutral fules
@@AmundLyric that would be true, if not for the many rules limiting innovation
I just want to see lighter, nimbler, smaller cars with a lot of power. I honestly don't care one bit about sustainable fuels or whatever buzzwords they're promoting.
You`re living in the same climate crysis whether you want to accept it or not and it`s not really about how much fuel an F1 car is burning but the image the sport is projecting to the world. It`s not just buzzwords. It`s a real concern that needs to be addressed by everybody in this world, including you.
its greenwashing simply put. Best for the environment would be to stop doing F1 altogether. Or simply dedicate 10% of their profits to sustainability projects.
@@daarom3472 "hey wait that's ilegal"
@@bishopoftroygo look at the F1 schedule and the ridiculous way it is set out. The carbon footprint of simply moving the sport around the globe dwarfs what the cars put out. Take in the materials used to build cars, tyres, all the wastage of parts etc etc the fuel the cars burn is literally the most insignificant part of the sport and is just a token gesture to appease the climate sheep.
@@daarom3472 100% agree it's greenwashing. But I'm also very interested to see F1 engineers wrestle with the limitations of electric and what solutions they may come up with for it. Batteries are heavy. F1 cars need to be light and rip through a ton of energy in a short time. With road cars, hybrids are always far more complicated and heavy than pure ICE or pure electric. It should be an interesting trial by fire.
I’m not a Horner fan however, we know RB to be a very capable team in the engineering department. Given that they rule this formula generation I do believe they have started working towards 2026 and could have a very valid point. I think it is worth looking into. If it is 🗑️ then RB will get raked over the coals for that. 2026 cars should be trying to get lighter not heavier…🤔
I think it’s really funny to hear Toto say that a team just wants a rule change to help them with a problem after the Mercedes porpoising problem when he was doing exactly that.
If RedBull has a problem with the new regulations they should change their fucking car!
@@lucascarpelli6954 that should go for all teams. It’s particularly rich to hear Toto throw stones from his glass house.
@@phatfil77it’s rich for Horner to claim that he is more interested on the sport than it being self served. Keeping in mind Mercedes are kings of coming up with powerful power trains. All these teams do and say to benefit themselves, nothing new here.
@@spudo133 exactly, so to hear any boss point fingers is a joke. In this case, it just happened to be Toto.
@@spudo133 finally, a real comment! all these teams and drivers are selfish. So it’s pointless to make a cringe names for each driver, such a crymilton and crashspappen. Let’s just enjoy the sport, but of course these DTS fans don’t understand that.
Many teams have a dominant era. If people want pure driving skill that won't happen. You would need the rules to be like the Indy Car series. Cars mostly the same but a few parts they can develop independently.
I like both F1 and Indycar and the difference between the two series is what I find interesting. F1 is about the technical aspects in addition to driver skill and I'm fine with that. If you want to see really good drivers (quite a few of them being F1 caliber) in larely equal machinery Indycar is where you want to be. F1 becoming a spec series or close to it takes away a lot of what make F1 unique given the existence of Indycar and F2.
Alex Palou is leading by 110 points so there goes that argument about no dominance!
@@joobaggs6886 Yeah, for just this championship. We are talking about extended multi-season dominance. Hence, dominant "era".
Well in MotoGP Ducati did warn that aero is a black hole and look where they are, same for F1 the cars are not getting lighter even with the best tech available its still overweight and drivers are still mentioning "dirty air". So I would say Horner does have a point though its rich coming from both him and Toto, on the flip side Alpine/Renault are strangely quiet.
Did Ducati say that before Audi bought them out, or after? Because since Audi took over, their ability to go around corners has improved by a coutry mile. And no-one is really going to win against them, unless it one of the satelite Ducati teams, like Pramac.
Every team has an agenda so it shouldn't be surprising. ESPECIALLY if it's coming out of Horner's mouth, or any TP really. But am worried about car weight increasing yet again. They keep going in the wrong direction with size and weight and that should be a real focus to reducing both of those.
People blame the battery but I belive a majority of the size and weight is due to the current safety specs. Remember how concerned people were mercs no sidepods didn't fit the sidepod safety profile?
@@user-mn4ey1jx1uwell, safety is quite important though, isn't it?
@@yuriibondar3757meh, there's a lot that matters more, like liberty.
@@99EKjohn ... what does that have to do with F1 cars?
An increase in the size of the battery pack will increase the weight again. I wonder how heavy they will let these cars get.......
i reckon that every team is selfish, but as max is pretty blunt as says what he thinks, i dont think he is trying to be tactical here, or RB lied to him and show him something different or they are actually going to downshift on the straights
You don’t know what you are talking about max’s problem with the gearbox is a Honda problem because they have a small gearbox the other teams have bigger gearboxes so they are not running into that problem this is a crybaby max redbull problem not and f1 problem
@@jb-y1487Honda doesn't make gearboxes for RB. RB makes their own gearbox.
@@jb-y1487 Red Bull build their own gearboxes, Honda only build the power unit (ICE/MGUH/MGUK/TURBO/ES/CE/EXHAUST etc) 😉👍
@@jb-y1487 u got the iq of a squirrel
@@jb-y1487if u think downshifting on the straight to gain time and the cars getting heavier is good then u must be delusional. If these issues are true then max is right to highlight them because those things arent good for f1. Cars are already heavy as it is
Who would have thought that getting rid of the current power unit for a dumbed down version would result in more compromises? But yes of course Red Bull or any other team in the sport isn't selfless.
Well the reality being do we want F1 to become a dumbed down version of formula E for the sake of a decarboned ideology we dont give a crap about ! personally i would prefer active suspension , V8 or V10 biturbo ,active aero with no battery at all !
@@calgar42k you're not spending hundreds of millions of dollars so your opinion is irrelevant. All the car manufacturers want these regulations. Honda and Audi would not even sign up without it.
Wondering why active aero is being introduced but active suspension was ruled out?
Because one is just expensive while the other is expensive but can be "green washed"
Redbull is complaing because it will be like 2014 where for 7 years have not won anything until now.
Rules most likely favour engines rather than aero by the time 2026 comes I think Adrian Newey will retire.
Adrian Newey barely worked on the car I think? Either that or he just worked on the suspension
@@DanishWistara yup his main work was getting the suspension to work he doesn’t even work Full time at RB anymore he’s a contractor
Losing Honda is going to be a big blow to Red Bull. It's not that they can't build their own engine, but I suspect they will struggle with getting both performance and reliability out of their new power unit, at least at first. Having Ford will help, but I suspect Aston Martin will leapfrog Red Bull once the new engine regs go into effect.
At the same time, I think the cars are already overly complicated and a return to smaller, lighter, simpler cars would be a good thing. So I don't entirely disagree with Red Bull, either. IMO F1 needs to swing the balance back in favor of the internal combustion engine and focus on synthetic fuels, rather than going too far down the electrification path. Incidentally, I would suggest the same thing for the car manufacturers' road vehicles as well. 100% electrification simply isn't a sustainable future, nor is it an exciting one.
You know what else isn’t exciting? Record high temperatures and non stop wildfires. 🤷🏻♂️
If any team wishes to leap frog Red Bull they would have to have a superior development department to the one that Adrian Newey currently heads up. Yes it is possible, but not very likely..
Regarding moving towards sustainable fuels instead of electricity it would involve transferring agricultural land (currently irrigated with very precious water for the production of food) into crops grown for bio fuel to service the convenience of motor vehicles. Personally, I would not support that notion.
@@philtucker1224neywey is an aero Guy bro they are finished they New regs are engine reliable so basically rb is in the shit and max is scared to lose his rockeship it could expose his ass being an average driver
@@onlyviralvibes8386 You Verstappen haters both delusional and ignorant
Let's be honest if this was a legit concern across F1 then there would be at least one other team that would have similar concerns. Since it is only Red Bull, the completely dominant team right now, the more things change the less likely they are to repeat their success like with the current regulations. This is clearly RB being concerned about not being dominant and nothing to do with an overall concern. Full disclosure I'm not a RB or Merc fan I'm an Aston fan that finally has something to root for lol
Just like any team that has had a period of domination, they don't want to risk losing that.
Chances are they're just worried they don't actually know how to build an engine without honda doing it for them, which is ironic given they turned Porsche down because they were sure they could build an engine by themselves
The FIA systematically slowed Mercedes down tho
@@elcactusdelamuerte506i think porche wanted more control which I guess red bull wants to keep control.
Kind of wish Mclaren partnered with porche.
I’m not sure what the deal is Ford with but using a badged up Honda engine with Ford who has no experience with theses new engine compared to the other manufacturers then i guess you can’t blame them for wanting to try keep the status quo
@@magicjack4076 RB higher ups originally agreed to the Porsche deal in principle, but Horner and Marko fought back with we don’t want to give Porsche that much power and used the we just spent hundreds of millions on a new engine facility as their main point.
Ford aren’t making the engines for the new regs they’re simply sponsors. It’s a bit like when red bull ran “TAG Heuer” engines in 2016-2018 which were simply the Renault engines, it’s just this time rb are planning to build the engines themselves. And we sort of can blame them for trying to keep the status quo when they’ve already agreed to the regs in concept (after being one of two groups pushing heavily for engine changes), chose to become their own engine suppliers rejecting existing, new and returning manufactures and the last few years have been the most vocal for rules not being changed allowing for merc to dominate.
Yeah they’ll do what they can to keep winning, but it’s like everything in f1 a load of rich kids throwing tantrums because things aren’t doing their way being massive hypocrites the entire time.
i love how bored guenther looks at 2:34 😂
People saying RB worried about the engine, what they have stated with 60/40 split means they are relying more on the engine !
I may have been naive, but some of the best racing we have seen was when you gave a lot of freedom to engineers and define (for example) amount of energy they can use per race (example 100lit of petrol). Why not giving them same here? Energy from petrol or from electricity combined in one number and let's see with limited budget who will do better job. Maybe best is 70:30, maybe 30:70... up to them to decide.
Fuel amounts are already limited. That’s why the revs are so low.
Im still sad that the MGU-H is on it's way out. Such an impressive piece of technologie. I understand that it has maybe less relevancy in road cars but imo it could be implemented in some way even there.
It would've been neat if kept as a spec part at least.
@@Appletank8 I agree they should have had the option to be able to buy a MGU-H part for a cost
@@Appletank8 I agree 1000%.
Porsche recently patented an E-turbo
It’s too complex to be retained. And muffles part of the exhaust note, (partially) hence why this era of engines sound so dull.
To some degree I feel the issue will come down to who else joins in...if you have Lando, Valtteri, Alex, Estaban etc. join in the criticism then it adds much more weight to the argument. As long as it is just one driver and one team, regardless of who that is, there will be speculation it is because of their design.
it should be a 80% engine and 20% battery split because the batteries are way too heavy and low energy density
I dont think Max is scared of not having the fastest car. I think he wants to race propper racing cars. He has nothing else to prove to anyone.
And the cars that he would have won his fake titles are not proper cars anyway. So what does that make him?
@@denzel9086 sure
Ofcourse he is he know if Lewis or Leclerc get equal car he is Finished add to that his goal to leave the sport in 2028 i dont think max will stick in F1 for long the moment he wont have the best car he will leave like a coward
@@onlyviralvibes8386 Lmao, you must be really ignorant because Max is better than both of them, Max also beat Lewis in 2021 even though Max had a slower car overall than Lewis that season.
@@denzel9086 Typical british fanboy behavior, all of Max's titles are real buddy. Stop crying lol
not gonna pretend that i understand the regs in depth or something like that but it seems that they need to do a version of the high rake - low rake rule from 2021 to make it so that the rb is slower.
That wasn't the purpose, the purpose was to decrease load on the tires
@@cap7ainadam387 purpose, intent and impact; their interplay is not what concerns me. The result is what I really care about.
you mean cut downforce to simulate a rule change thats not gonna happen ? why do yall always act like that rule was meant to slow mercedes down when A ) they werent the only team to be affected by that and lost performance and B ) the rule literally had an effect on every car on the grid as they all lost down force yall need to stop acting like the mercedes brigade acting like that rule was a nerf to them when it was a general nerf to everybody on the grid
@@syreemills1553 well the reason is Mercedes did not carry the same car from 2020 to 2021.RB did carry the same car and the reduce floor did benefit them since they were the team that push for it. Remember the W11 lost the DAS System, the party mode and the floor reduction before getting to 2021. RB carry all the specs of their car to 2021 and gain on everybody.
I think there is one thing they should change with the 2026 engine regulations, and it's not the approximately 50/50 split of power between the internal combustion engine and the electrical power. For some reason, which I can't fathom, the electric power has been increased, but they have kept the total output of the electrical energy to 4 megajoules, which is the same as the current regulations. I think they raise the ceiling, since they have raised the amount of power. It's the 4 megajoule limit that makes the power unit run out of electrical energy at around 11 seconds, compared to around 33 seconds now. So, just raising the ceiling a small amount would probably solve the problem with tracks like Monza.
Engineering explained did a really good video on the new engines and yeah, something is definately off with them
F1 going sustainable fuel for the engine is innovative but I'm really disappointed that there not been innovative enough with the battery tech. There's so much potential for battery's to be lighter or stay the same weight but have higher energy capacity as some road car manufactures are currently testing out as they see lithium as not the future for battery's but F1 don't seem to be going down that root. I know the alternatives battery's cost more right now but they will eventually reduce in price just like everything does.
The batteries don't have to be lithium in F1
@@juaneer well that's what there currently using and there not been innovative enough to find alternatives. You think with pioneering innovation of F1 they could have been better with the ideas for the battery's since they seem to have been innovative with the biofuel for the engine.
Am I the only one who think RB will have an underpowered PU in 2026 and will have a tough few years just like Mclaren Honda?
On the other hand, Honda at this moment has the best electric unit and with the batteries getting even more relevance I'd say Aston Martin is in a very good place coming 2026.
If Stroll can get up to scratch they could be very good. He is slightly improving
I HOPE THEY HAVE A SHIT CAR AFTER ALL THE CRYING ABOUT MERCEDES
No you're not.
If red bull are moaning, it must be the right decision
The idea would be to make the cars lighter and smaller and not half formula e. Hopefully 2026 won't be a dud
I mean, from all these arguments, I gather that the cars are gonna be designed, built and be driven according to the specifications/size/weight of the engine, batteries and it's need to be recharged.
Those cars might really turn out to be actual frankensteins. Heavier, bulkier, slower, trickier and counter-intuitive to drive with automated aero that further reduces the control drivers will have over the vehicle they're supposed to race with. That can't be good, but we'll see how they turn out in 2026.
RB gained an advantage with the freeze in PU development, they are now very worried about losing that. Their problem is Merc, Honda/Aston Martin, Ford and VW have signed up to the new regs with Cadillac wanting to enter for the same reason. RB are about to find out they are small fish in a big pond.
Ford is Red Bull's partner.
Ford and RBPT have a partnership, so Ford isn't a competitor for them.
But Ford is with redbull 🤔
@@Christopher_TG read it properly
ford have signed up to the new regs
@@PrisOwner16 read it properly
ford have signed up to the new regs
Kinda ironic that Wolf says, "he's not worried that F1 wouldn't be innovative enough to counter act the scenario"
YET here we are, in the Aero era, where RB is dominating, because the rest of the team can't figure out how to do Aero and downforce right.
He's only saying that because he knows Merc engines gonna win hard again.
is it just me or is the idea of tactically downshifting (or someone trying to overtake you deciding not to to overtake, leaving them vulnerable later/next lap) an interesting strategical option?
I think Horner simply doesn't put that much trust on Ford to deliver the electric part of the PU.
Toto said that in order to create innovation in technology, the rules need to make the engineers push the boundaries to find new solutions to meet them, otherwise they'll just keep moving the goalposts just like with the minimum weight.
I think a legitimate retort to that will be how do they pay for the engineering to come up with a clever solution in a cost cap era?
@@ryanwhittle6525 If the engineers are good they have enough money to pick the best one. Cost cap hits people who are hiring bad engineers
Easy to for him to say when it doesn't count against you but you can just dip into the patents and preexisting research of a century old major car company.
The problem of finding new solutions is that only 1 team will find a solution, and be a big step ahead of everyone else. That's the last thing we want.
"...my interest is actually about the sport rather than self-gain" 😂😂😂
I mean if the engine is always at optimal power it can be smaller and be made as a generator to the electric engine for the wheels, you need only as much battery storage as you can use on the straight (F1 is fuel limited and not power limited so any improvements in efficiency would give a big benefit in the race).
Toyota use a CVT style transmission in their RAV4 , it allows the engine to rev up independent of road speed while still providing direct tractive power. I wonder if F1 rules will allow such trickery.
@@the_lost_navigator7266 well CVT's are forbidden but for technology's sake it would be great if they develop them as they would save a lot of emmisions on road cars
I'm shocked at the suggestion that Horner would not be sincere in his concern for the sport without regard to Red Bull. Shocked!
Well if the cars get heavier, if the ERS cannot harvest fast enough, if the engine is that much weaker than there is a huge problem….
I would certainly like v8 or v10 with eco fuel but that ain’t happening.
Honestly I think there is something in what Max is saying.
The concern by them is that another team will have better batteries. Honda is said to have the best baterry system and could be at an advantage
The new engine regs are a disaster I said this the moment I heard the regs but fans heard it might be louder noises and got exicted
They're removing a part that makes these engines super efficient (MGU-H) so going against their own sustainability angle/tripling the batteries which make cars even heavier and don't always completely recharge fast dependent on the circuit you're on and have reduced how strong the ICE will be
It's a disaster
However dont get it wrong, RB are complaining rn because the want to maintain status quo
@@tomstevens7452 if you have to downshift 500m before a corner so the battery harvest enough energy so you have a much quicker exitspeed then when you brake like normally that aint good
@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 F1 is a business which wants to expand it's engine manufacture portfolio, so they have to get rid of MGU-H as that's what VW group want
@@vincentchang2673Yup I know that's why they got rid of it as the VW group were Cba to make their own MGU-H but it's a big loss honestly
The 2026 cars are going to be very very slow lol wouldn't be surprised if they're like 2014-2015 slow
I am guessing most likely it's both....but it does sound weird that 50/50 split. A 760kg FE car can't last anywhere near the distance of an F1 race and nowhere near at the same speed. Despite it having 800hp, if they want 500hp from the MGU-K it does sound like a big issue. The FE car doesn't need to have an ICE or fuel. So these cars need to become very heavy...plus if the car can become a generator...does that count against the ICE? Or can they have an ICE that produces 800/900hp and then syphon off 300/400hp to charge the MGU-K systems....LMDh cars these days are minimum 1030kg....I sincerely hope we're not going there...
We are going there. That's exactly RB's point.
@@gallosai yeah...I am very afraid of that too...as in it would be pure utter shit...but I won't be laying awake about it...
I wouldn"t even be surprised if it was the other way around, maybe RBPT found a great advantage and now Horner is making sure nobody will be able to be against it when they hit the track.
I think it’s all of the above. Teams compete not only on the track, but off the track as well. They compete to see who has the best PR, the best facilities, the best employees, the best livery, the best reputation, etc. In short, they compete at every level.
I just find it interesting that RB doesn't like a major change in the power plant when it will be the first time they have to step up and build a brand new power unit. They know that other engine manufacturers certainly have more expertise in that domain.
Remember that development will now be part of the cost cap. So even though they have more expertise, just incorporating it into the new cars might bust the bank.
@@Ceece20 Sure, but teams / manufacturers like Alpine or Ferrari allready have some insights with their programs in other competitions like Le Mans for example. And even if Ford will be able to help, having each party developping half of the power plant could be complicated and messy
@@Khiswow You are completely ignoring what they are actually saying because of your bias against them *tsk tsk*
@@hoya1178 Yes you got me. I'm a very biased Ayrton Senna fan.
But for Horner comment excuse me for not taking seriously his comments or more precisely taking it as seriously as the one about the AM being a RB clone.
@@Khiswow Lol, you seem offended by Horner's joke about AM being a RB clone, it also shows that you can't see how they have copied RB's concept.
I always ask, does the concern itself have merit. If the answer is yes, then it doesn't matter who raises that concern. If the answer is no, then is doesn't matter one way or the other. Winning teams wanting to keep winning? I am pretty sure this is the cornerstone of Formula 1. Teams work, scheme, whatever, to get the best lap times and results. Every team in the history of the sport has done this. No team has purposefully handicapped themselves to make the sport more "fair".
What I think the teams need is more driver shakeup. There are drivers like Russell, Lando, Albon, Gasley, Ocon, who tend to get the maximum out of what they are given. Some like Lando and George, doing it better than most. But teams live with a deficit in terms of lap times for way too long IMO. And yes, the cars may suck. But that is al part of it now isn't it. Who can sit in that seat and tell the team EXACTLY what isn't working.
Technology should never be more of a focus than the driver. Set the tech rules to not price anyone out of developing a good car. But the FIA and F1 needs to be very careful of not ruining the sport for the sake of some good publicity. Is a 50/50 split actually good for racing.
Period. Is it or isn't it. If it isn't going to improve racing, then it isn't ready to be part of the sport.
We don’t know the regs in full detail yet, but from what I’ve seen and read I can’t say I’m excited for the ‘26 regs as they stand now. I’m not understanding how these cars aren’t going to be significantly slower.
RIP F1 1950 - 2025
All that I and probably other people want to see is a more close and competitive races. Every year there are teams against the rulesets.
i don’t frequently agree with red bull but in this case i agree completely. it’s hard to imagine racing can improve while the cars remain so heavy
Formal E has ended up with tactics more like cycling teams due to battery saving. A larger swing to battery power could change things in interesting ways.
FE is a joke, complete cancer of a series.
Exactly. I want the race leader to hold the lead, not burn up all their electrical capacity so the car in fifth can swoop in at the end. And there better not be fan boost.
@@travisfubu9053 Cope, it's complete cancer.
@@richardn3387We have that in F1 now - the leader can easily hold the lead.
That's sort of the problem, though, isn't it?
Or just add refueling back.
If you have 100% sustainable fuel just slap on a V10 and ditch the electric motors
There will be some serious canvassing of Audi as I think any amendment to the 2026 regulations will largely depend on them. It's not feasible to sign up a new team under 1 set of regs and then completely change the regs on them unless they are in agreement. Fine tuning is one thing and to be expected, completely reworking is another and for my mind probably not possible now, teams have already agreed to the 2026 regulations.
Max is both one of the best drivers in the world, (on the track & in sim’ racing) & hilariously blunt in what he says so if has concerns about how the cars could/might drive I believe him. Honestly I don’t think he cares as much about maybe not being on the dominant team as much as the racing won’t be as enjoyable/fun behind the wheel.
It feels like the new rules are the marketing department butting heads with what makes F1 fun. If the cars end up heavier again for the sake of bigger batteries then the rules are definitely going in the wrong direction
TBF RB is right. It it's "green" fuel, then why increase the electric input?
Lighter cars are the most. Why a bigger and heavier battery when they use sustainable fuels ? We are going to see cost increases all over the board with these powertrans.
"Certain teams share very similar opinions to that of our own." Let me guess, that certain team is Alpha Tauri?
Maybe :)... I expect it to be sold soon
Yep
That’s rich coming from Toto. So he’s pretty much admitting that his whole drama surrounding ride height and “safety” last year was also purely driven by his own agenda.
There’s already videos about this and of course Horner is partly raising this out of genuine concern and self-interest. That’s how competition works. If it’s really a physics problem that cannot be solved by any of the brightest minds in the sport, it at least warrants revisiting.
Yeah, they are all like that; they are selfish because they want to win. If they cant beat each other on track they will try to win outside of it; Horner bit ching about DAS, midfield complaints about Pink Mercedes, and Toto crying about porpossing.
Who says the issue Horner raised can't be solved? 😅Other teams is not as concerned as he is. Typical slimy RBR.
I think the main concern is the bigger, heavier electrical side of things. this makes cars less agile and race pace will be slower due to drivers having less available power at any given point. It's going to be more Formula E-like style racing
I think theres a bit of both in this. Of course they want to ensure they can keep up with their first gen in house engines, if they get it wrong, they will struggle to redesign and keep up while other teams are ahead. Horner is doing it from the brand side, Max is doing it from the driver side. It is no secret that none of the drivers are keen on heavier cars and that we have seen how less powerful the DRS is on some tracks than others with the new regs. So heavier cars with active aero means its harder to race, especially if the drivers dont have control over it. Add a team with an engine which readily outperforms others and there will be another era of domination, which none of the fans or drivers really want.
Surely both are true, building a competitive engine from scratch must be hard enough but to build one that is dependent on unproven power dynamics is nuts. RB should be concerned as their true brilliance lies in Aero-Newey and Responsive-Verstappen both compromised by the 2026 rules
I think horner is right to a certain degree, yes the aero and speeds are going to be a mess to sort out, but I personally feel the real reason why they are pushing is because of the fact that RB is scared of losing dominance, the best example for this is the fact that most teams here don't have any idea of an electric/hybrid road car and how to develop it. even ford only has 1 and that's a simple car. The only ones who have experience are Mclaren and Ferrari, so this could be something which tips in their favors
The start of Merc dominance era was started with Merc got an early start developing hybrid PU more so than any other manufacturers at that time in and outside of F1. RB for sure have a massive disadvantage being a very "Rookie" new comer engine manufacturer even with Ford on board. I would say It would be a miracle if they stayed in the Top 3 at the start of 2026 season. Regarding Max's complaining mostly about the active aero out of driver's control during the race can make it very difficult to drive with increase risk of conflict with driver's intent or malfunctioning just by slight damage is very valid
It's just a Ford battery -That should be a spec part anyhoo
Scott's reading of the Horner quote @6:02 made me laugh.
Merc have customers. They are probably downplaying the challenges to get engine contracts. Red Bull don't have that worry right now. Horner may have a point but is probably over-exaggerating to gain an advantage because the Powertrains project is likely getting expensive.
Thus lowering competitiveness even lower
Red Bull are starting to make a fuss because they're now not getting new engine manufacturing time like Audi, and Honda are making a return so at a chance could be the worst engine on the grid. they agreed to these rules months back, no-ones happy with the engine direction but this was decided months back.
It's taken us like 5-10 years to work out where we're going for 2026 and after we get new interest from new engine manufacturers and now the toys are out of the pram.
I lean towards Mercedes' stance. any increase in batteries should be offset by removing the MGU-H and advances in battery power density (and thus a smaller lighter battery pack for the same amount of power). If the Chassis is made significantly smaller and therefore lighter and probably less induced drag, then this will further offset the power demands, so while it is definitely a challenge I don't think this is insurmountable. What I think is perhaps more worrying is will all the major manufacturers be able to overcome those challenges before 2026 - all fans want a competitive season, so there is a real risk that we will have another period of domination like Merc and now RB
if only MGU-H isn’t too expensive to produce, i like it “now” because all manufacturers are getting closer on engine
A lot of people criticising RB Horner and Verstapen, but ok. Once the power unit and coasting to recharge is going to absolutely dominate F1 and ruin it, it's going to be the same people criticising the regulations, For now it's just fun to criticise Horner and his team because people are bitter that they did and are doing an amazing job.
The Mercedes channel does it again.
might as well call it formula E at that point
Same team that pushed for an engine development freeze and then never parted from using Honda engines? Yeah, right. Pretty interesting there were never any investigation into that set of negotiations and Red Bull’s arrangement with Honda, particularly since it became apparent that Honda isn’t leaving the sport.
If Red Bull thinks it has a potential issue with its engine or development is not coming along as hoped (as suggested in this video) then why on earth would they suggest to lean on the engine 5%-10% more?
Because an ICE can put out that little extra power. There is a channel called Engineering Explained which explains how much would be available in the 2026 engines theoretically with the fia limitations (fuel, usage of electric power, etc). The main issue is how much can the mguk actually recover because the battery would be used up much more for a 469 hp electric motor. Breaking isn't enough to recover that much energy.
We just don't want obese cars
Red Bull (just like Mercedes) love to cry. They've doing doing it for 9 years now too.
Everyone who's in a winning position cries. Except Ferrari of course. If they cry, they will be fired by Ferrari themselves.
Keep in mind everyone, since RBPT Ford are a ‘brand new’ PU supplier, they get greater testing time and money to work with compared to established suppliers like Merc or Ferrari!
If they had stuck with Honda they would be having a bit more confidence. Max is annoyed the partnership has split as the new rules needs innovation which RBR and Ford don’t have in the engine department.
So when F1 is all about the engine it's unfair but when it's about aero it's fine?
At least the engine development has some real world impact. Some aero parts designed around some specific rules are worthless outside of F1.
as much as people complain about the team deserving to be ahead because they've designed a great car, it's impossible to deny that some of the best seasons always follow new rules and regulations that significantly slow down the fastest team, 2021 was a great example
I may be mistaken, but wasn't 2021 the last year of the old regulations?
2021 was the last year of the regs? Guessing you're trolling but I couldn't resist the bait
@@HIYAharrybut the cost cap was introduced in 2021 and changes were made which slowed down mercedes considerably from 2020 and helped redbull catch up.
2021 rules significantly slowed down Merc by reducing floor area guys stop being casuals he’s not trolling
@@Chadabi got it. I'm not sure about OPs comment though. The years after the new rules are domination by one team. 2009 (not too bad in the 2nd half), 2014, 2022
if cars are at full throttle for 70 percent of a lap in most circuits , then this seems like a sensible ratio 70 percent ice 30 percent electric
If you want to know how F1 2026 will be just look at LMP1H (2012-2017) regulations since what F1 is doing in 2026 is simular (power targets and fuel use). There will be more coasting than you see in F1 right now but saying they'll need to downshift on straights is exagerated.
On the aero part If you want more passing (especially if you want to get rid of DRS) you need to find a way to make more drag, not less. They should leave aero as is and remove DRS. With the smaller power in the ICE the cars should get into the perfect power x drag ratio to promote good racing. If they reduce drag then it'll be useless. But then you can expect huge drop in top speeds if they leave it as is. Will F1 be ok reaching 280~300kph on straights instead of the 340+(with DRS) they do nowadays?
But if you reduce the top speeds you shorten the braking distance even more and most of the overtakes that happen is in the braking zones
@@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 With reduced top speeds and high cornering speeds you put the cars side by side easier before the braking zone. Check series like Super Formula, or even IndyCar.
And recent F1 track layouts would benefit from it even more since most of them have crazy long straights. F1 would benefit from this even more than SF due to the way higher cornering speeds they have in F1.
Honestly, bringing in these new regulations for 2026 and the cars for me was a drastic change. We need stability in f1 for at least a 8 - 10 years. Let the mid field catch up and to have closer racing like we did in 2021, with McLaren and Ferrari showing up. This is just a knee jerk reaction and there are genuine concerns, though honestly Toto just wants to have his say and shit stir at every opportunity he can and quite frankly it's getting old.
Ever realise that there are 10 team bosses, but stories only ever really focus on the opinions of 2? I wouldn’t be so quick to label Toto or Christian the bad guy here; they just make for greater engagement and discussion. Clearly all 10 teams have signed off on the regs and the changes have brought in interest from other manufacturers.. I find it hard to believe that the regs are as horrible as we may think
@@halemmor I appears they signed before hitting the sims.
@@stopitmike Or maybe their sims suggest something different than RB's? Mercedes's were pretty confident that their sim data for their zero sidepod design was a slamdunk until it hit the track. Now RB is super confident their sim data suggests massive problems with the 2026 regs in spite of zero refinement or collab prototyping? Okay lol...cry about the whole quiz after hearing only part of the questions I guess.
Wasn't it Toto who had the current regs changed to eliminate Merc's "porpoising", funny how they become two faced once something does not go as planned
My preference would be less aero, 100% combustion and in race refuelling. drop both recovery units and make the cars lighter and more simplified.
i think its because honda aced the MGU-H by the time they left F1. Going to MGU-K only is going to reduce battery charging, and will make these new engines much slower.
Well this is year 3 of where red bull is doing well, nobody seemed to be in a rush to do anything about Mercedes' F1 dominance, so I think it's pretty silly to have this debate. Everyone else needs to do a better job to catch up, or we need another rules overhaul.
What the actual fuck are you on about? This about the 2026 regulations powertrains
During Mercedes dominance the rules where changed to try to peg them back, so your argument is wrong
There were multiple in season changes as well as season to season changes. I mean 2017 had significant changes that made sure Ferrari and red bull caught up followed by banning of engine modes(which was a merc directed ban) as well as 2021 changes. What do you mean by they didn't do anything?
just because we let stuff happen in the past doesn’t mean we should let them happen now.
The 2026 rules were always happening these rules were being planned even during the Mercedes era it hasnt come out of thin air
And the 2017 rules were made to peg back Mercedes and make the cars faster by shifting to more of a Aero formula as everyone believed the mercedes to be carried by their engine and not their chassis/aero
The second F1 goes full electric, I’m switching off. To say electrification is being more sustainable than say, an e-fuel is not only incorrect but also obsurd. This cult of electrification is not the answer. Major car companies such as Toyota, Honda, BMW and even companies such as JCB already know this. The jig is up.
Yes, at this point it's all just virtue signaling anyway.
Clearly you dont read the news.have a look at Toyota's press release today. Your entrire premise is wrong. Is eFuel better than electric?
Because of that inefficiency, a car running on e-fuel burns through significantly more electricity than an EV would use to go the same distance. EVs wind up being around four times more energy efficient, according to the ICCT. That inefficiency comes with significant costs.
They can't go full electric as FE has the exclusive electric premier racing competition agreement with the FIA for many years
@@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 Its debatable how long Formula E will survive. Race by race viewing is already declining
Valid point to be concerned if simulations are so poor at this early stage. Having to possibly run cars well below full power just to get through a lap is hardly the pinnacle of motorsports. It is surprising that no other teams are concerned though .. maybe speaking to RBPT issues more so?
Projected developments in solid state battery development before 2026 make the argument redundant and those advancements will only be accelerated by the prospect of competition in sport as we saw with hybrid tech.