Gold is for the mistress -- silver for the maid -- Copper for the craftsman cunning at his trade. "Good!" said the Baron, sitting in his hall, "But Iron -- Cold Iron -- is master of them all."
There was an RPG i played many many years ago called Arduin Grimoires. In it there was a character class called a "Techno" These were exclusively human and did not believe in magic. In the character description it said something like, they would cut open fire breathing dragons to find the flame throwers. It was a fun class to play.
Everyone knows dragons have a 2nd set of lungs connected to their bladder to collect water and separate the oxygen from the hydrogen and when they expel the surplus the hydrogen ignites on their platinum teeth.
Increasing mass means you need bigger cartiridges, bigger barrels more acceleration can be done with more boom or, electricity, so on a wieght to impact ratio your better off. Hydrogen/helium for fusion take up less space than iron/tungsten.
Steel is iron alloyed with carbon. Knives, axes, swords, armor piercing bullets with an exposed hardened steel penitrating pin, grenade and aerial bomb frag, modern arrowheads (both field point and broadheads) Hell, the old Mk 2 frag grenade (the "pineapple" grenade) is made out of cast iron. lots of man's killing devices contain iron.
A lot of fae legends speak of iron as being "cold" as an adjective to express hardness, weight, destructive potential, or general quality. Much like you might hear "cold steel" used to describe the use of swords, maces, and other such weapons in later works. That is, works that were written after steelmaking became enough of a science to be reliable. Modern readers of such tales read "cold iron" as some kind of significance in comparison to steel and similar alloys. As a result, modern fantasy tends to either have "cold iron" as a unique metal or just referring to iron in a pure state, with the magical quality of nullifying faerie work, sometimes all magic regardless of its origin. A common thread is that any kind of alloying, forging, or smelting destroys the metal's usefulness. Cold iron must remain cold, otherwise it's just iron. It's literally fairy tale logic. The narrative, not the science, defines reality. Metallurgy isn't important.
most bullets hardly have any iron or steel in them. Even armor piercing rounds are either tungsten tip or core. And arrows are equally useless. Sure the arrow head can be made of pure iron, but the shaft and feathers can't bee. And if you shoot it and it all turns to nothing except the arrow head. As for knives, axes and swords. It would have to be entirely made of iron, as anything wrapping the tang or helping you hold the handle would disappear And a pure iron axe or sword, is HEAVY. As for bombs, you would have to construct them from scratch and probably have bombers carry them as most modern bombs don't weigh what iron bombs would. Knives, steel shields and chainmail armor and mk 2 frag grenades are the best options. Although the non pure shields and chainmail would have less effect it would take time to make pure iron replacements. The big question would be how pure does iron have to be and how drastically its abilities to effect magic drop off as you enhance it into steel alloys. If they had the time they could probably open up and do a lot of research into why iron is so effective versus other elements. What is it about iron that counters magic?
@Mikakarot23 well to be more precise unless you can accelerate the projectile beyond terminal velocity you can just let gravity accelerate it to terminal velocity
the aftermath of this war sounds like a wonderful post-apocalyptic setting for a tabletop game. certain areas are still heavily iiradiated by magic, so they are effectively no-go zones until cleansed, humans close to the rift at the time of closing may have been exposed to enough magic as to have gained magical abilities themselves (as suggested by other comments), supply lines have probably been jacked up due to the war and magic exclusion zones. its basically stalker with pixies instead of pseudogiants
@@vidal9747 that’s not … entirely true, theoretically, any living being (like an animal) is not considered an appropriate target unless they are actively engaged in warfare. So, while close, it isn’t comprehensive, in it’s limit to humans.
@@vidal9747If an invader had the foresight to send an ambassador to sign the convention, and follow the rules, they would come under Geneva protections.
Well, if the BIR (Big Iron Rod) disintegrated spreading itself in the Otherworld depending on how big the Otherworld is, they might have a *BIG* problem if nothing is immune to Iron.
Especially if he of the fundamental forces holding their world together is the very magic iron disrupts, and the disruption of the magic, at speed, might unwind anything wound together by it, it might be centuries before said Fey recover, if they ever do. Of course, if they do recover, it might be due to mutations around not having an iron weakness, and therefore, the next conflict might be, once again, one-sided unto the right ingredient is, once more, found.
The exotic radiation from the implosion of the rift might have mutated those humans near the place, their genes now carrying sorcerous potential. If the rod had one part stuck on the other side, it might then become a conduit to channel that energy, thus allowing some magic to filter through. The next generation of humans then might develop into sorcerers.
@@stratometal or, maybe, those of the fey stranded on this side might inter-breed with hue-mons, and their descendents might be able to manipulate the magic when and if the next portal is open? And depending on how many generations down it is, the number of people carrying that ability might be ... large.
@@nela9994 I think there were zero survivors, and crossbreeding... not fond, maybe if humans force the fey into some experiments. Eradication of the pest would be super easy and more likely, they spread the iron mist wherever they think they would be left. No need to crossbreed if the exotic radiation from the collapsing gate mutates genes, giving humans their own magic ability. If those soldiers at the battle all have children afterwards, yeah the number of magic users would become really large.
I imagine that the fey realm was made of magic. And since cold iron disrupts constructs of magic, well, the matter of the fey realm in contact with iron disintegrated into pure energy. Which, looking back on it, would be a lot like matter-antimatter annihilation, with the exception that the iron is not a reactant, merely a catalyst.
@@frantisekvrana3902Umm, it’s worse… it’s more like shooting a black hole into their universe, but worse as everything is connected so it’s like launching a black hole at someone who is chained to every other human in existence.
@@anondabomb if you are equating iron to magic what a black hole is to gravity … the problem with that equivalency is that a black hole grows, the more you feed it. The iron doesn’t grow, and might actually ablate, so … anti-matter/matter interaction might actually be closer.
Fae: "Let's invade a world that is made primarily of a metal that NEGATES ALL MAGIC AND IS LETHAL TO US." So this is a good reason to stock up on that cheap bimetal FMJ ammo the Russians love to make.
The Fae don't have any prior knowledge of what's behind the gate until they open it. There's never been a reason to try to develop that ability before.
well that last three percent is able to drastically increase the efficiency and durability of the iron, so why would it not drastically decrease its effectiveness against magic?
armor piercing munitions, which all militaries use commonly, usually has a steel penetrator. maybe the copper and lead bullets (particularly hollow points) that civilians might use would be ineffective but any military unit would wipe the floor.
so would the iron rod disintigrate in the fae world, and cause a giant kill zone, or would it dig its way into the ground and destabilize the magic in the region? either way, thats not going to be fun
"Less of a railgun and more of a magnetic mass driver" ...a railgun is a kind of magnetic mass driver. That's like saying a square is less of a rectangle and more of a shape.
I don't think the author has any concept of military equipment... ap rounds for rifles are largely standard, the fae would still be vulnerable to muzzle strikes and knives/bayonets which are common military weapons, all arty rounds are steel, and apfsds rounds would easily serve the purpose their railgun idea was supposed to serve. Most guided weapons use a steel hull, so they would be at least somewhat useful if their targeting could be made to work. Also, the fae would struggle against even cheap theater armor so protecting yourself from their weapons and fighting back, even with cheap wall hanger weapons, would be decently effective. Essentially, their premise is interesting but they wrote the story with so little knowledge of the world they live in that suspension of disbelief gets beaten to a pulp in the first 5 minutes and by the end is a non existent concept... sorry to be so harsh.
In their own story they claimed steel was usable, if somewhat less effective against concentrated magic. But clearly steel will work EXTREMELY well in projectiles since cast iron is less iron than generic steel, or even high speed steel. Cast iron is significantly over 1 percent carbon, high speed steel is between .9 and 1.2 percent carbon, blade steels are between .6 and .9 percent carbon usually, stainless is rarely over 1.5 percent anything but iron (mixes of chromium, carbon, manganese, etc. And generic mild steel (the most common form, with stainless being a close second) is .1 to .4 percent carbon. My point is, if a cast iron pan beats one to death, high velocity steel core projectiles will be FAR better.
In portuguese we call it "cold iron". It's the iron that was never melted, only shaped by Hammer and heat. This is the fae weakness for us, the same as silver to werewolfs. Are the iron used by moder military like that? Genenuine question. 😄
@larrythompson8630 steel and iron are both natural, but the tiny amount of natural steel is impossible to make use of so it gets combined with more iron and carbon to make usable quantities/purities.
Please tell me the "exotic" radiation spread to both sides creating mana poisoning on earth, those that adapted to it or survived it by product gain access to magics, mean while in the otherworld their mana radiation is somehow still a magical energy but it's tainted and causes others magics to become inert and magic less. Anti-magic mana. There such mana in the other world that the anti-mana magic is continuously devouring and "killing" other magics, that it cannot be adequately contained or starved out
Normal materials warp near the rift. Chem would thus be useless. Bio would have life strings. So easily controlled by the fae. Magical healing not withstanding.
I wonder, if the chem has predictable interactions, and that could be used to then further fuel the interaction. I also wonder what white phosphorous would do …. Asking for a friend.
Isnt cast iron essentially over carbon steel? Like most steel has less carbon then cast iron, so any steel would be a more pure iron then cast iron Essentially every blade, bullet, bomb, shrapnel would work. Oddly enough the armor (even tanks) are more ceramic now so that would be the only thing that needs to go "old school" Even barring all that, arm everyone with shotguns bmsince you can essentially make any kind of bullet you want fire from a 12 gauge shell. Iron, steel, lego, battery.
Gold is for the mistress -- silver for the maid --
Copper for the craftsman cunning at his trade.
"Good!" said the Baron, sitting in his hall,
"But Iron -- Cold Iron -- is master of them all."
Can't buy cold iron without the other three.
Ah yes, Kipling. A classic.
And Iron + Carbon = Steel
@@dubuyajay9964but with iron you can TAKE the others. That’s why iron is king.
I know that song.
There was an RPG i played many many years ago called Arduin Grimoires. In it there was a character class called a "Techno" These were exclusively human and did not believe in magic. In the character description it said something like, they would cut open fire breathing dragons to find the flame throwers. It was a fun class to play.
Everyone knows dragons have a 2nd set of lungs connected to their bladder to collect water and separate the oxygen from the hydrogen and when they expel the surplus the hydrogen ignites on their platinum teeth.
The hydrogen is how the beasts manage to get airborne, they are reptilian hindebergs .
Sounds like an Artificer that decided to cut open a dragon, and refashion their element glands into a rechargeable element-thrower
By "many many years ago" he means the 1970s! Lol
My man played the first published "cross-genre" rpg. Looks rad tho
I remember this game, class, and description. Thanks for bringing back the memories.
If you are using kinetic energy weaponry and the problem is not solved, its because you are not using enough kinetic energy on the problem.
RFG's solve nearly all kinetic energy problems...
F = M × A
Want more F use more A
@@julesmasseffectmusic why not both?
Increasing mass means you need bigger cartiridges, bigger barrels more acceleration can be done with more boom or, electricity, so on a wieght to impact ratio your better off. Hydrogen/helium for fusion take up less space than iron/tungsten.
Also as an Ozzie F and A have other meanings. So the joke is better as it's multi layered
Steel is iron alloyed with carbon.
Knives, axes, swords, armor piercing bullets with an exposed hardened steel penitrating pin, grenade and aerial bomb frag, modern arrowheads (both field point and broadheads)
Hell, the old Mk 2 frag grenade (the "pineapple" grenade) is made out of cast iron.
lots of man's killing devices contain iron.
It's mentioned in the story the more impure iron is, the less effective it is. So i doubt steel would work
Steel is around 90% iron...
@@Humuhumunukunukuapaa yeah but its still impure, and also the composition of iron and other metals make steel a much different metal thatn iron
A lot of fae legends speak of iron as being "cold" as an adjective to express hardness, weight, destructive potential, or general quality. Much like you might hear "cold steel" used to describe the use of swords, maces, and other such weapons in later works. That is, works that were written after steelmaking became enough of a science to be reliable.
Modern readers of such tales read "cold iron" as some kind of significance in comparison to steel and similar alloys. As a result, modern fantasy tends to either have "cold iron" as a unique metal or just referring to iron in a pure state, with the magical quality of nullifying faerie work, sometimes all magic regardless of its origin. A common thread is that any kind of alloying, forging, or smelting destroys the metal's usefulness. Cold iron must remain cold, otherwise it's just iron.
It's literally fairy tale logic. The narrative, not the science, defines reality. Metallurgy isn't important.
most bullets hardly have any iron or steel in them. Even armor piercing rounds are either tungsten tip or core. And arrows are equally useless. Sure the arrow head can be made of pure iron, but the shaft and feathers can't bee. And if you shoot it and it all turns to nothing except the arrow head. As for knives, axes and swords. It would have to be entirely made of iron, as anything wrapping the tang or helping you hold the handle would disappear And a pure iron axe or sword, is HEAVY. As for bombs, you would have to construct them from scratch and probably have bombers carry them as most modern bombs don't weigh what iron bombs would. Knives, steel shields and chainmail armor and mk 2 frag grenades are the best options. Although the non pure shields and chainmail would have less effect it would take time to make pure iron replacements.
The big question would be how pure does iron have to be and how drastically its abilities to effect magic drop off as you enhance it into steel alloys. If they had the time they could probably open up and do a lot of research into why iron is so effective versus other elements. What is it about iron that counters magic?
Apparently no one thought of using air burst shells to drop a shit ton of iron shrapnel onto the dome of magic
Also you don't need to accelerate the space weapon you can't literally just drop that shit
@@Chickensammichgod
You don't NEED to accelerate the projectile, but you need to accelerate the projectile.
@Mikakarot23 well to be more precise unless you can accelerate the projectile beyond terminal velocity you can just let gravity accelerate it to terminal velocity
Vietnam era lazy Dog bombs and flechette cannon shells. Nasty stuff. Literally rained steel darts.
@@Chickensammichgod The acceleration provided some aiming. Just dropping it from space it could be deflected.
the aftermath of this war sounds like a wonderful post-apocalyptic setting for a tabletop game. certain areas are still heavily iiradiated by magic, so they are effectively no-go zones until cleansed, humans close to the rift at the time of closing may have been exposed to enough magic as to have gained magical abilities themselves (as suggested by other comments), supply lines have probably been jacked up due to the war and magic exclusion zones. its basically stalker with pixies instead of pseudogiants
Ah a Cold iron weapon.
That will do it.
And,"The Rod From God" for the final blow!
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And in 50 years the humans master magitek, and open a portal to the fae realm so they can start filling out the Geneva Checklist
Friendly reminder that the Geneva convention and the universal declaration of human rights are only valid when fighting against other humans.
@@vidal9747 that’s not … entirely true, theoretically, any living being (like an animal) is not considered an appropriate target unless they are actively engaged in warfare. So, while close, it isn’t comprehensive, in it’s limit to humans.
@@vidal9747If an invader had the foresight to send an ambassador to sign the convention, and follow the rules, they would come under Geneva protections.
Just because we are garbage at magick doesn't mean we can't mess up your spells, and magicks.
Human percussive maintenance - I hear it works on portals from the fae realm too.
It would be interesting to know what kind of backlash the effect of the rift being destroyed had on the fae kingdom.
Well, if the BIR (Big Iron Rod) disintegrated spreading itself in the Otherworld depending on how big the Otherworld is, they might have a *BIG* problem if nothing is immune to Iron.
Especially if he of the fundamental forces holding their world together is the very magic iron disrupts, and the disruption of the magic, at speed, might unwind anything wound together by it, it might be centuries before said Fey recover, if they ever do. Of course, if they do recover, it might be due to mutations around not having an iron weakness, and therefore, the next conflict might be, once again, one-sided unto the right ingredient is, once more, found.
The exotic radiation from the implosion of the rift might have mutated those humans near the place, their genes now carrying sorcerous potential. If the rod had one part stuck on the other side, it might then become a conduit to channel that energy, thus allowing some magic to filter through. The next generation of humans then might develop into sorcerers.
@@stratometal or, maybe, those of the fey stranded on this side might inter-breed with hue-mons, and their descendents might be able to manipulate the magic when and if the next portal is open? And depending on how many generations down it is, the number of people carrying that ability might be ... large.
@@nela9994 I think there were zero survivors, and crossbreeding... not fond, maybe if humans force the fey into some experiments. Eradication of the pest would be super easy and more likely, they spread the iron mist wherever they think they would be left.
No need to crossbreed if the exotic radiation from the collapsing gate mutates genes, giving humans their own magic ability. If those soldiers at the battle all have children afterwards, yeah the number of magic users would become really large.
I grew up on the Iron Range in MN. Not to many Fae there. LOL
Great story; Excellent narration! "Exotic radiation"? I wonder if the Fae realm contains anti-iron (i.e. anti-matter)?
Imagine if the tear in the rift caused magic to flow into the human world and humans started being born with magic
I imagine that the fey realm was made of magic. And since cold iron disrupts constructs of magic, well, the matter of the fey realm in contact with iron disintegrated into pure energy.
Which, looking back on it, would be a lot like matter-antimatter annihilation, with the exception that the iron is not a reactant, merely a catalyst.
@@frantisekvrana3902Umm, it’s worse… it’s more like shooting a black hole into their universe, but worse as everything is connected so it’s like launching a black hole at someone who is chained to every other human in existence.
@@anondabomb if you are equating iron to magic what a black hole is to gravity … the problem with that equivalency is that a black hole grows, the more you feed it. The iron doesn’t grow, and might actually ablate, so … anti-matter/matter interaction might actually be closer.
Always great and entertaining for all ages!
Guess nobody told them Earth's core is a gigantic nickel-iron magnet, eh? Probably not an ideal place to conquer.
Sshh don’t let them know 😈
Ah the hours of enjoyment your first class narration has boughten. Nights falling asleep to your 24hr story thumb thingy. (D)
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Thank you for the reading
Science > magic lol, too bad we couldn't show them the "magic" of a split atom. 😢
Ah, good old "Rods of God".
I prefer Dave's of God, Dave's are more vicious, Rod's are usually better singers.
Thank you for the video.
Fae: "Let's invade a world that is made primarily of a metal that NEGATES ALL MAGIC AND IS LETHAL TO US."
So this is a good reason to stock up on that cheap bimetal FMJ ammo the Russians love to make.
The Fae don't have any prior knowledge of what's behind the gate until they open it. There's never been a reason to try to develop that ability before.
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i was hoping the rod would have made it through the portal... and did a loooot of damage to the fae relm
Listen to the last part again I think that's exactly what it did
I was always, ALWAYS, saying that whenever playing DnD:
- I will better to have a deal with every living devil out there, than form one with a fay.
Greetings, Mentlegent!
For the Rhyhtm that is Algo
A good start, now to rest, recover, and plan our counter invasion.
I wonder if the humans near the gate that got irradiated will become magic users...
keeper going
Lol iron just make chains reaction in magic relem
Normal steel is usually > 97% iron. So it is kind of ridiculous to think it wouldn't work.
well that last three percent is able to drastically increase the efficiency and durability of the iron, so why would it not drastically decrease its effectiveness against magic?
armor piercing munitions, which all militaries use commonly, usually has a steel penetrator.
maybe the copper and lead bullets (particularly hollow points) that civilians might use would be ineffective but any military unit would wipe the floor.
@@the-council Because it's still 97% (+) iron.
Feel the thunder
Greetings O noble Narrator!
There needs to be a follow up 🙏
In late but its early here in NZ
Oh iron projectiles work do they, well lets build bigger iron projectiles then!
~ unnamed human general
An eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth you've invaded humanity now feel the Wrath of Humanity.
Rebar, in armored concrete making up a lot of the world's infrastructures
Why not iron lattice for clothing?? Iron/rust impregnated threads??
Humans relearn magic and begin a complete annihilation of the other world
so would the iron rod disintigrate in the fae world, and cause a giant kill zone, or would it dig its way into the ground and destabilize the magic in the region? either way, thats not going to be fun
"Less of a railgun and more of a magnetic mass driver"
...a railgun is a kind of magnetic mass driver. That's like saying a square is less of a rectangle and more of a shape.
And someone gave the order.
For the Algorithm, for the Author(s), for the Holographic Voice!
For the numbers
I don't think the author has any concept of military equipment... ap rounds for rifles are largely standard, the fae would still be vulnerable to muzzle strikes and knives/bayonets which are common military weapons, all arty rounds are steel, and apfsds rounds would easily serve the purpose their railgun idea was supposed to serve. Most guided weapons use a steel hull, so they would be at least somewhat useful if their targeting could be made to work. Also, the fae would struggle against even cheap theater armor so protecting yourself from their weapons and fighting back, even with cheap wall hanger weapons, would be decently effective. Essentially, their premise is interesting but they wrote the story with so little knowledge of the world they live in that suspension of disbelief gets beaten to a pulp in the first 5 minutes and by the end is a non existent concept... sorry to be so harsh.
Iron is natural. Steel is man made. *great simplification *. So modern steels might not be as effective. As the old. Softer iron.
To be fair they old fae lore would only include cold iron. That which has never been forged or cast.
In their own story they claimed steel was usable, if somewhat less effective against concentrated magic. But clearly steel will work EXTREMELY well in projectiles since cast iron is less iron than generic steel, or even high speed steel. Cast iron is significantly over 1 percent carbon, high speed steel is between .9 and 1.2 percent carbon, blade steels are between .6 and .9 percent carbon usually, stainless is rarely over 1.5 percent anything but iron (mixes of chromium, carbon, manganese, etc. And generic mild steel (the most common form, with stainless being a close second) is .1 to .4 percent carbon. My point is, if a cast iron pan beats one to death, high velocity steel core projectiles will be FAR better.
In portuguese we call it "cold iron". It's the iron that was never melted, only shaped by Hammer and heat. This is the fae weakness for us, the same as silver to werewolfs. Are the iron used by moder military like that? Genenuine question. 😄
@larrythompson8630 steel and iron are both natural, but the tiny amount of natural steel is impossible to make use of so it gets combined with more iron and carbon to make usable quantities/purities.
I imagine wielding an iron cast sledge hammer
Please tell me the "exotic" radiation spread to both sides creating mana poisoning on earth, those that adapted to it or survived it by product gain access to magics, mean while in the otherworld their mana radiation is somehow still a magical energy but it's tainted and causes others magics to become inert and magic less. Anti-magic mana. There such mana in the other world that the anti-mana magic is continuously devouring and "killing" other magics, that it cannot be adequately contained or starved out
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The Nissa are colossal assholes LOL (I've listened to too much Belief Hole Podcast LOL)
Yeah, my first thought was iron, of course.. and then iron particles in the air. Iron tipped bullets..
Fae Eee! (Poof) Dead cages?
neat
You put Tommygun twice
Iron ? Isn't human blood full of iron?
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Huzzah!!
Exotic radiation, hmm? HMM? Sus.
The Rod from God
What about chemical wepaons or biological ones. Wht about weather manipulation or air burst nukes?
Normal materials warp near the rift. Chem would thus be useless. Bio would have life strings. So easily controlled by the fae. Magical healing not withstanding.
I wonder, if the chem has predictable interactions, and that could be used to then further fuel the interaction. I also wonder what white phosphorous would do …. Asking for a friend.
Can someone tell me how to get my sock back from the Nanoswarm?
I'm afraid once sacrificed the sock is gone.
Toxic gas should work lol
Isnt cast iron essentially over carbon steel? Like most steel has less carbon then cast iron, so any steel would be a more pure iron then cast iron
Essentially every blade, bullet, bomb, shrapnel would work. Oddly enough the armor (even tanks) are more ceramic now so that would be the only thing that needs to go "old school"
Even barring all that, arm everyone with shotguns bmsince you can essentially make any kind of bullet you want fire from a 12 gauge shell. Iron, steel, lego, battery.
Flechett
"Exotic radiation". Read: Magic. There's gonna be an awful lot of jubilation when the kids born from the ground zero hue-men are throwing fireballs.
The author has zero concept on how a modern military fights
And then they all got magic cancer
M855........
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i love the squirrel god, but this story stinks, up anyway