PURCHASING SERIES #33: A First Time For Everything & How to Enjoy Surprises No Matter What You Get!!
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- Опубліковано 6 вер 2024
- Have you ever seen a White Sewmaster 611? I've seen rare images of this machine but in the 9 years I've been tinkering with vintage sewing machines, this is the FIRST TIME I've come across this model. Rare? You folks tell me. It was not super expensive, but sometimes rare things don't have to cost a lot. Now for the mysterious journey of finding parts!
I love the look of that machine. Looks kind of industrial. Thanks for sharing!
The rubber from the motor to the shaft is simply so the motor does not have to be completely exactly in line with the shaft , yes it will take up shock, but it serves 2: purposes
Plus it's just a simple way to connect up a motor to a shaft.😮
I have this machine along with the guarantee dated November 1956 purchased from Hudson's Bay Company.
Very cool!
I have a magnesium domestic. Again different.... Directly drivin from motor. They are all good machines. Turn opposite direction..
Yes, all of the White designed Rotarys (under numerous names) rotate away from the sewer whereas most machines rotate towards you.
I just got one! Super good condition...My Dad and I think its a male aesthetic...I'm a 50y.o. white male and this is my first machine....stoked.
Hmmm. Well, that is certainly a possible theory on why I'm drawn to this one adrian. Then again, aesthetic preferences change over time. My background in marketing suggests to me that marketing strategies may reinforce such preferences. I say this because, for example, in the 1960s, almost all small sports cars (British MG's etc) were purchased by males and were marketed to them as 'guy cars'. Today, the modern equivalent of those cars is the Mazda Miata and the majority of it's buyers are female and some will describe the Miata as a 'girl car'. There is nothing logical or data drive about this. Color is also a powerful marketing tool and some might suggest that the color 'pink' lends itself more to a 'female' aesthetic if gender does in fact play a role. Then again, this is not true in all parts of the world and so I suspect that our aesthetic preferences are more based in social norms and conditioning which vary across the globe. In some countries, men wear bold pink clothes more often than ladies do. Aesthetic preferences also vary over time given that N. American males in the 1950s' could be seen purchasing and driving cars that were either pink or two-toned with pink/white/ or also black added in for a "Tri-tone' color scheme. For me personally, I think my affinity for this machine is more based on its shape; which is a reflection of an earlier design aesthetic from the late 1930's called Art Moderne/Streamline. It is ironic given the production date on this model as being from the 1950s. As you can see, discussions of aesthetics are so incredibly subjective that it can make for some real headaches for those in the marketing field. You know, it is interesting that most all of the machines White made under several names; (including Kenmore which sold in the millions), were in dark, crinkle colors such as this (Green, Black, Blue Green, Blue, Brown, etc) were sold to consumers most of whom were women back in the day. In any case, congrats on your find as I suspect there are not too many of these models left given low production numbers. I know I always say this about a machine that I ooh and ahh over, but I may keep this one; Who knows?
@@VintageSewingMachineGarage Great breakdown. And great videos! I'm going to watch your motor wick vid soon, I ordered 1/8" felt wick and "Sew Retro" grease. I also noticed that my cabinet has a knee control built in(not the typical dual use foot pedal) I'm going to bypass it for now but plan to restore that eventually.I haven't seen anything like it, has some switching mechanism in a bakelite box and the nice Nechi style fold away arm with the indents you showed once. I "will" keep mine, lol
Mine came in a cabinet similar to the 'Queen Anne' Singer cabinet. Phot available if you would like it.
Now this is a sexy machine! When you lifted the cover my first impression was Art Deco. Wow, what a great find!
The white,domestic , Kenmore s plugs Made to be rewired.
Yes, they are. Sadly, my plug is cracked beyond repair, but gladly, I can get replacements.
@@VintageSewingMachineGarage I can fix that....plug
It reminds me of the Silver Bullet Express. And the Chattanooga choo choo song. And I'm very young! Lol
Also what lovely shape she is in! Love that handwheel. It's going to be fun to see you get her stitching. Thank you again!
WHAT A COOL MACHINE!! I love the Art Deco design and the color. And I know it will sew beautifully because I still have my mother's White Model 77. She taught me to sew on that machine when I was around 8 or 9 years old. A different model of course, but probably very similar in operation. I remember that knurled dial in particular. It hurt my little fingers to loosen or tighten it! But I persisted and still love sewing, sixty-some years later. I love tinkering with machines and refurbishing them with all the marvelous ideas and techniques I've learned from you and other people who so generously share your knowledge. Thank you so much!
Yeah somebody wired in a singer foot control to that machine which is perfectly okay.
Actually, its not unfortunately. The issue is not the foot control, but that it has a singer cord/plug which is not compatible with the White design.
I have the sibling of this machine, the Domestic 725, 825 or Viking in Canada. It is my favorite machine to use and I found through servicing it a while back that rather than one large belt, it has two smaller belts connected by an adjustable metal pulley to take up slack where required.
It was the last updated iteration of the white rotary hook design as far as I am aware and was likely built in North America as a last ditch effort to stay relevant with their much more expensive albeit beautiful and reliable machines in a market that was headed towards cheap and glossy. It uses #744 one inch bobbins and has a beautiful straight stitch like White’s other rotaries.
I also noticed in your video that it seemed to be missing the proprietary white power cord and although mine came with its original I have still been shopping around for possible replacements and came across this Power Cord, White Rotary #11126 on sewing parts online. (I tried to post the Internet address but then my whole comment was deleted within seconds and I couldn’t figure out why.)
There is one more what could be considered variant of these machines and that is the Kenmore 117-97 an earlier 1952 only design which I think harkens back to the price point versus the cheaper import machines.
I really enjoy your videos and can’t wait to see more. Especially updates on this one.
Wow! I LOVE that machine! So swanky!
Me too!!
I just picked up one of these myself. Been looking for one for awhile. Love love the look of this machine. Winter project to tinker with. Seller was cleaning out storage unit. Been sitting along time. But ran when I checked it out.hopefully with good cleaning and oiling it will run as good as it looks.
Hope you enjoy it!
That is a very cool looking machine! Thank you for another wonderful offering!!!
You bet!
Beautiful machine.
Fantastic White sewing machine. Is a different model.
Yes, it is!
Yes that's a rotary but not class 15 to the guy that said earlier it was a class 15 machine it is not however it is just as good if not better than one. Totally different animal it's a white domestic design
You are correct. This is not a 15 class machine whatsoever. This White design would have been the major competitor to Singer in terms of market share.
Beautiful machine. Looks like a train.
It does!
@@VintageSewingMachineGarage Thanks for enlightening me. I’m getting a 77. :)
I wonder if the rubber on the driveshaft is a damper.
I recently aquired this gorgeous machine. I would like to date it and need a power/ foot petal. Did I hear that I can get acreplacement one easily? Where can I get one?
Thank you for the very thorough go through!
You might try this site. sewingmachine221sale.bizland.com/store/page44.html
Beautiful machine 💙
I love it!
Vintage Greist attachments are readily available.
Someone gave me one of these machines today! It can hold 3 spools of thread. The manual and accessories came with it. It works and runs very well. It was originally in a cabinet. I have to change out the knee lever for a foot pedal.
You know, I've heard randomly that there was a way for sewing with three threads. I'm not sure if there was an accessory for this or if all of these models came capable of such a thing. Your comment reminds me to dig further into mine to see what it's capable of. Thank you
@@VintageSewingMachineGarage It's pretty cool. I used alcohol like you did in the video... worked really well. Thank you!!
What magnificent engineering. Pity they didn't make more of them.
I've been watching you for a few years now, and I enjoy every episode.
Any progress on that magnificent Kenmore 158-1941?
Ok, one last comment. Scribd has a copy of the manual for your little gem😊
Thank you. I will check out that source.
I would have guessed late 30s, maybe very early 40s, because of the styling. It is classic for that period. Try to imagine it in nickel plate or white enamel. It would rival the Necchi Mirella for style. Of course, in either finish it would be difficult to use because of eye strain.
Hi, do you know where I can get a belt for this machine?
Not yet. I'm working on it though.
@@VintageSewingMachineGarage Howabout now?
Just saw listing for manual on eBay for $7.99
Hello! It a different style of what I am use to see. Although, in my opinion, it looks like a heavy duty machine, it's cute. I like the curves on the "face plate ". I also like the hand wheel.
Any update on the Kenmore sewing machine?
Thank you for sharing!
What date was this machine made?
I have vague info that suggests around 1950, although the styling suggests a late 1930's aesthetic. Some companies like White and Singer kept designs in production for long periods.
I've just spotted one in Rio de Janeiro, Brasil. Let's see if it is available. Well, the one I've found is a Westinghouse. But there is a Company named "White Westinghouse", right?
I wish you would accept machines in the mail to restore, I'm in the states. No one in my state does that.
I wonder if the rubber casing is meant to prevent overheating or sparking?
I'm not sure but your idea is as good as any I have come up with so far. Maybe as I investigate more, the purpose will make sense.
I am no expert in sewing machines, but I have worked on a lot of different machinery. I think that driveshaft is not just cased in rubber, but is actually a piece of rubber tubing. I have seen this used in low-torque machines before. It serves a few purposes-it allows any slight misalignment of motor and mechanism by being flexible and it reduces vibration and noise transmission from the motor to the rest of the machine. I have seen that sort of thing many times.
@@ianbutler1983 Exactly what I thought. Could be a flexible coupling between the motor and the captured shaft. Another clue would be whether the motor has flexible mounts. It's just a guess.
I have a White 637. You got any diagrams for tension dials?
I think the styling may have appealed more to men . It looks like a tank!
A few months ago I bought one of these as my first sewing machine, and that’s actually how I found your channel because I was wondering what the heck to do with it! The one I have is in great condition and came with the manual and all the different attachments. If you send me your email I could send you pictures of the manual and what the missing part on the stitch length nub looks like if that’ll help you at all. Thanks for the wonderful content!
This is a Japanese style sewing machine made during the 1950s. It's a 15 class bobbin and all the Japanese sewing machines between 1950 and 1965 were coppied from singer class sewing machines. Thus the tensioner and the sewing arm on the front side of the machine. Many White sewing machines were made in Japan. Brother made a majority of these clone sewing machines. Some of them like yours in unique styles. I've got a Brother sewing machine with the same streamline shape in the front.
Hi Ron. You shared some great info here. I do however have a inkling that this model may have been produced in the US. When White first began to outsource production, they went to Germany and had some models made by Kaiser-Gritzner. (these are sometimes identified due to their odd (in my opinion) positioning of the bobbin case which is not the most intuitive. Then, they did as you mention look to Japanese producers to reduce costs as they attempted to hold onto the very lucrative contract they had with Sears to produce Kenmore models. They ended up loosing the contract though but they kept sourcing in Japan for quite some time. 'Some' of the Japanese-made models kept the original White bed dimensions, but over time, they transitioned to the Singer 15 'footprint' which other brands had copied years before in an attempt to get some Singer owners to switch. Although the earlier German outsourced models would sometimes use the tried and true White designed motor such as the one you see in this video, I'm not aware of any of the Japanese cloned versions that White sold having this motor design. Another reason I suspect this was not produced in Japan is that it uses the older White design for its bobbin case and bobbins. I sure don't blame you for assuming that is was since yes, it was in the '50s when White started their outsourcing. Like most business strategies, it was rolled out over time. White was still producing these Rotary straight stitchers when they first were forced to outsource due to the market demand for ZigZag machines which White was unable to invest capital for their own design. As I begin to 'unpack' this machine, I will make more videos of it and we can look to verify the bobbin case and bobbins. Thank you for your comments and insight.
That's not a class 15 machine it is a white only domestic bobbin in a few years the same machines would be Japanese class 15 but not this one. It's very similar to a 15 but nothing is the same it's not a Japanese machine.
Do you sale a zipper foot for a 117959 Kenmore model sewing ?
"often the bobbin covers are missing" -- that's because a machine with a missing bobbin cover means there is a timing problem or other mechanical problem with the machine working properly. Someone tried to fix it and gave up, putting the machine away. So be prepared if you come across a machine without a cover you've got a puzzle to solve.
That is certainly a possibility given that removing the cover would be needed to work on that area of any sewing machine depending on the issue. However, the plate was also routinely removed to remove and reinstall the bobbin case each time the bobbin needed rewinding/reloading. So yes, your point could be correct, but not always.
Never seen a missing bobbin cover machine have bad timing 🤔 cover always just fell off..by bad handling.
That is a neat machine. I want one. What year is this or model number?
White 611 Sewmaster
Hi George. (It’s George, right?) How can I reach you by phone to discuss purchasing a model with feature questions? Do you have an etsy store? thanks!