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Itch io is an ecosystem that I've been trying to more time and money into because the amount of small projects is really impressive. Even just browsing it's easy to find a few free or really cheap games that take a lot of risks for the sake of exploration and I think more people could get a lot from those smaller, shorter projects.
I think sometimes people (myself included) gravitate to the bigger things because there’s almost a promise to those things that there will be fan art to see and communities to talk to after you’ve experienced it and that this is addictive to a degree and the absence of this stuff can put people off putting time into niche and weird media.
But not only can stuff that’s weird and different speak to you on a personal level more than a million Infinity wars can but you can also be the first to start the conversation around those weird and niche things you love and that can mean a lot to people who also want to talk about those things and to the people who create them.
Also great video as always Shannon 🤙
Absolutely. I've never been affected by anything more than the music of Pat the Bunny and Erik Peterson, but I still find myself gravitating towards more popular things
Then there is 'it's popular, now it sucks' group
Errant Signal is fantastic.
So this is the source of the download spike for Moko's Advice, thank you for the mention.
I feel this way about animation as well. I am an animator, and I was lucky enough to have my work once featured on an international film festival. I went there and saw so many animated films. Some of them were really boring and obscure, and pretentious for my liking. But among them there were so many gems. So many movies, that were raw and sincere, so unbound by taboo and conventiion, that felt fresh, original, unique, strange, fascinating.
And when I got back, I tried to watch some of them again. And I found out that for the most part I couldn't. Animated shorts shown at film festivals are made usually only and specifically for film festivals. That's where they live and die. After that, maybe some of them will be posted online, once their festival run is over. But most won't. They are not sold anywhere online or distributed on any streaming platforms. And it's so sad. To think that every year so many people create amazing unique little things. And they have this brief glimpse of glory, and then they are gone. Practically lost forever, in time, like tears in the rain.
I really wish there was a Criterion-like company that would preserve them and make them more available to the public. Or maybe an anthology-like collection, kinda like Animatrix or Short Peace, where they could be collected and streamed on Netflix on Amazon Prime. Would've been way better than garbage like Love Death Robots or some other shit.
I can't afford to keep up with modern AAA game releases, nor is my itty-bitty laptop powerful enough to play them, so most of my gaming diet as of late has consisted of "itch.io," "weird CDs found on archive.org" and "very old, recently fan-translated Japanese games that I knew next to nothing about until I started playing them." It's been a real eye-opener.
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FIGHT ON!!! for independent art
Thanks for putting this out! I really appreciate your enthusiasm for independent art and the kinds of feelings and experiences it can give people. I know I often feel a weird push and pull between the wild, singular experiences of independent art vs. the shared rush of mainstream art. I think this vid did a good job of advocating for the former without stigmatizing the latter.
To delve into some more specific feelings on this front: I feel guilty for how into the whole Disney machine I still am (Marvel, Star Wars, Disney animation, tacky live-action remakes, all of it) despite knowing how dangerously big they’ve become. I resist falling into full-on rabid fandom for that reason, but I still see almost all their stuff and enjoy it a lot. I like big flashy spectacles, I like getting excited about them with others, and I find the conversations around what their popularity means for society (both positive & negative) interesting. But it does bother me that despite having a big fancy film degree with honors and everything, I end up mostly seeing these Disney tentpoles when I go out because I can’t afford to see as much stuff in theatres as I used to.
Like, when I go out to a movie nowadays, I end up prioritizing what is 1) most likely to at least be decent and 2) will best benefit from theatrical presentation. That usually means either a big action spectacle or a super visually inventive art film -- and guess which there tend to be more of? :P Like, I felt like I was taking a risk by going to see Booksmart this past weekend rather than the flashier Aladdin. I’m ultimately glad I did, but considering how hit-or-miss teen comedies can be for me, even highly praised ones, there was a big chance I could’ve been out $25+ and still had a disappointing afternoon.
Despite still enjoying myself at these big budget movies, I don’t like how my theatergoing experience feels so boxed in now. I miss feeling like I have the freedom to go see what’s playing at the local arthouse or check out whatever other low-run theatrical run movies come to town. Some of the best experiences I’ve had in theatres were just walking into movies or film festivals with no idea what I was about to see. Now it feels like I can usually only afford to see that stuff on my own time at home. And it can be harder to just stumble across weird stuff the same way when you’re browsing online vs. coming into a place off the street.
So I appreciate what you’re saying here about making more of a conscious effort to go hunting for the weird stuff. I can’t always expect it to find me nowadays like it used to. I of course need to work within my means still, but I feel like if I don’t at least *try* to find more of that weird stuff, my artistic inner life will atrophy and shrivel away over time.
One area where I do try to do that at least is music. Since songs (and even whole albums) can be cheaper to buy than movie tickets, and you can preview a whole song/album before purchase, I feel a lot safer about diving into places like Bandcamp and Soundcloud and just... finding the most obscure, cool shit I can. I think the only “mainstream” album I bought last year was Janelle Monae’s Dirty Computer. The rest was stuff culled from random iTunes and Bandcamp surfing, pretty much all from either independent or fairly obscure artists. As an example: this past month I bought an album from a small Canadian electronic artist, Mise Darling, and even my tiny bit of support seemed to be appreciated because Darling then followed me on Twitter and thanked me personally for buying the album. That warmed my heart a lot and made me feel even more connected to the music than I did before (which is dope BTW, go look for the album “Rebel”!). I love that feeling of knowing that my support helped someone and that I could tell them their work meant something to me.
Anyway, sorry for rambling so long! I guess that’s my way of telling you that your work means something to me too! ;) I found your work through Hbomb, got fully on board with Fake Friends, I adore CritBits, and am now very much here for what you and other artists like you are bringing to the table. Thanks for what you do, and I hope you get to keep doing it for a long while to come!
This comment is unnecessary but I have to express it:
You and Jack O'Brien (former Editor in Chief of Cracked.com) share a strange vocal characteristic.
You both have voices that sound "choppy." You speak in this very staccato, halting way, so much so that I'm not sure if it's natural or if it's the result of aggressively editing your audio, individually pasting every short phrase into place with a little bit of silence on either side of it.
OK, that's all. Carry on.
Sanguine Sanctum appreciation crew logging in.
Your museum "recharge" bit is something I've found with going to see live music over the past few months. I used to not bother with even favorite bands, between the cost and anxiety over crowds and driving, but after a concert back in October, I felt so renewed that I've been trying to make it to at least one every month since. Some bigger names, but also lots of smaller acts or people getting locals to open, and it's fantastic.
tl;dr, I feel like everyone has some sort of conduit they resonate with like that, be it museums or music or even just hanging out in nature, and getting out of your comfort zone like you suggested is a great way to find those conduits
As a writer who is likely going to go the self-publishing route, I'm glad to see support out there for independent art.
Ooooooooh Boooooy!! seeing the 99rooms game brought me baaaaaaaack.
I think the site where I first found it died in like 2006, 2008 max?
I must have found that one in like 2004, if not earlier.
Had completely forgotten the thing.
Isn't the marginalized nature of the 'independent' artist turning itself into a brand? This video is basically marketing for exactly that brand. The artist defines the art in a very different but still comparable way to the big/successful "main-stream" art. 'Counter-culture' has always to re-balance itself with 'mainstream-culture'. That's a natural thing and there is very cool art that can come from such places but sometimes I think "punks" are lame for not realizing how much they are defined but what they don't want to take part in. Even art is constrained by it's resources and in a market economy you get the most resources when you can reach the biggest audience. If you speak to a smaller audience you have to deal with the limitations in resources that concludes. Finding a solution for such problems is part of what is discussed here. What the biggest main-stream audience is interested in always changes on some levels too though. So there is value in exploring new concepts even there. I guess it can be fuzzy where you draw the line for what defines these 'mainstream-cultures' and 'sub-cultures' of artists but too much of "look at how indie we are, isn't that in itself just great" sometimes makes me cringe a little cause to me it favors culture (read cult) before artistry.
OOO idea! What if you pin a comment and ask artists/writers/etc in your audience to do a little self promotion in the replies? That'd be a great way to get work out to new people!
I'll probably do that or similar with the second video!
Needed to hear this, thank you.
I live in Brazil and in the last years I have been going to some of these smaller places, encountering some independent creators and local artists in comics, cinema and theater. It is really a joy how much life and real diversity these communities have!
Hey I really apreciate this. I like a lot of mainstream stuff, but at the same time many of my favourite things are by independent artists- especially women. I think they often have more freedom to go for things that are new and exciting rather than just retreading old ground, and that often makes for better stories
Oh man I'd completely forgotten about oekaki boards! What a nostalgia trip
I looked at that Pug Davis character and thought “wow that kinda looks like Steven Universe”!!
I feel like I won the lottery because I never guess little things like that (sorry if that’s a stupid think to be excited about heehee)
Oh my gourdness, what a great video!
The "I'm not an activist, I'm an idiot on UA-cam" line had me laugh out loud. In my opinion the only way to support independant art is to openly advertise for it and form a network. I guess, that's what you already do, since you get support on Patreon and you support other artists on Patreon. It feels wrong to me to advertise the artist/character of the artist, when all that should matter is the art itself. I mean, some of the greats were clinically insane, and the fact that van Gogh cut off his ear out of "love" doesn't make his art great. If someone is only able to draw stick figures, and cuts his ear off, then the stick figures are still lousy and don't draw much attention, much less reverb into the soul of the masses for eternity. Or something. :)
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i have old notebooks with pages of pug davis fan art, so my heart jumped a little bit when you brought it up. i guess it just goes to show how impactful an obscure piece of media like that can be
Is that a 8-bit version of Mob psycho 100's second opening in the background?
Yes! I mention it in the text at the end and link it in the description haha ua-cam.com/video/xdS2jEX-53Q/v-deo.html
This is really inspiring to hear as I grow older and therefore wearier of the so-called 'watercooler' media. It's not just the representation I'm seeking, either. It's the...passion and excitement. The willingness to create for more than just optics or profit. I look forward to the second video to help me extend my reach.
That said, if anyone knows any media about agender/asexual/aromantic experiences, I'd love to check them out.
Like 50 Shades of A ?
There's the Shape Shifter Chronicles by Lauren Jankowski. Main character is ace. It's about five books in, and I've only read the first book and a half. She recently gave the first book, "Sere from the Green" a rewrite, both to smooth it out and because the writing environment was not very supportive at the time. Also, mousereadsbooks.wordpress.com/ is an ace and aro blogger who blogs about the books she reads, which is about one every other day. So, those might pique your interest.
When I create art, I'll love all my fans.
Primarily because all of them will be my actual friends and family.
this is such a vital video, the necessity of independent / niche art (both on its own and as an alternative to the mainstream) cannot be overstated. a lot of my favourite art is independent, a lot of it is mainstream, but I consistently find that my favourite art experiences (i.e. everything around the thing itself) come from the independent stuff. It pains me that most people won’t get to take part in those experiences, either because they don’t know to seek them out or because seeking them out is too difficult / inaccessible (theatre especially struggles with being perceived as inaccessible, but that's a whole can of worms for another time). hopefully we continue taking steps to making discovery easier, through self discovery or curation or some other methods entirely, and videos like yours and Errant Signal's are really helping with that.
Eagerly anticipating that list video!
I had no idea there was so much cool shit in Atlanta and I grew up here. Thanks for this! Will try and share this video to friends.
Thank you so much for this video. I don’t think my art will every be popular, my interests are just too niche, so seeing people like you championing weird, personal, flawed art gives me the motivation to keep going.
I look forward to seeing your second video on this! I love small-time media :)
thank you
Ayyyy Nathan Edmondson is the best!
'Have a gourd day!' It's like this museum was made for me!
I don't care about GOT, either. I finally feel validated, thank you!
just kidding
(about the validation thing, I really, extremely don't care about got)
edit: btw, thanks for making this. I do really niche occult and tantric art/book covers, tho now I'm working on illustrating a children's story written by Aleister Crowley in the 1920's. you are dead on that a little support goes a long way, even kind words.
Yay for representation, yay for supporting independent artists, yay for liking what you like!
All those museums/exhibits you mention sound so amazing!
Great video!
Oh pug davis! I still have my copy of the book, loved reading it online way back when! So great to see it get a shout out! Webcomics and fan artists in general are very fun to see their artists grow and develop over years!
There are so many cool indie roleplaying games coming out now! I recommend looking at Mutants in the Night, Girl by Moonlight and Monster Hearts among many others.
The idea of having to pay to go into a museum- is soooo alien to me!
If big magazines and the general public says that something is bad, then they probably didn't get it. If critics say something is bad, it's probably exaggeration.
If everyone I know, both on real life and on the internet, says that something is shit, I simply HAVE to check it out.
Also, yeah, I agree with the message.
great vid
never get in a comfort zone.
unlike the other comments on this video (so far), i have some input you might not like. hope you read it anyway... i think it's important.
i do not support people based on their gender, sexual preference, or their skin color. this is my view on equality - to let people's character and work speak for who they are. to judge them based on who they are individually, not by the color of their skin etc.
i watch your content because i like it and think it's really good. i think you have some smart and important things to say, and that you are good at making videos about them. isn't that a better reason?
would you really like that others - for example, feminists - support your work because you are a woman, even if they didn't like your videos? because i know several women who do things exactly like that.
i will love to hear about movies/comics/etc that you think are good, check them for myself, and if i liked them maybe even support them financially. but i have an issue with supporting someone on the basis of them being in a marginalized group. hearing you say that we should support creators because they don't have many fans, because they don't get a lot of money or if they happen to have a different sexual preference, made me wonder if you have fully explored the effects of these actions. one such example is the new ghost-busters movie that you made a video about: a movie marketing itself as feminist while not agreeing to have a single gay character in it. these movies are happening (in my opinion) because studios are counting on people to watch a movie simply because it's labeled "feminist", regardless of the actual content. many scenes and story-lines in recent mainstream movies make no sense as part of the actual story, only as scenes made to show support toward marginalized groups, and the movies become worse for it.
supporting creators for their sexual preferences, for example, will only cause creators to base their work on their sexual preference simply because it can help them get more support, and regardless of what they actually wanted to make. another by-product of that will be movies/games/etc that are judged based on the sexual preference of the artist instead of on the work itself. and we have many examples of that already.
in case you haven't considered this, i hope you will. if you did, i would love to hear your opinion of it in greater detail. if i simply misunderstood your argument - sorry for wasting your time with my too-long of a comment.
alex mir, you're not as clever or profound as you clearly think you are.
I understand your perspective and from the meritocratic point of view this has a lot of internal logic. However two caveats. One: I think the point of the video was not trying to find the so-called “best” content but rather to find narratives that highlight the storylines and perspectives of marginalized characters. I’m not sure about others but focusing on content creators that are themselves marginalized by larger social forces means I’m less likely to run into painful bad, highly commercialized incarnations that make me want to swallow razor blades. Point two: the emphasis of this video is on proportionality. If you consider the financial support of independent creators that 12 dollars is just proportionally huge and for some people (not that this makes them “better”) this is a really big thumb on the scales that can outweigh needing to find the “best” content. As far as the co-opting of these marginalized perspectives in order to market shitty versions in order to squeeze a little more market share based on pandering to certain demographics, welcome to an problem that I’d lovingly call “old as balls.” It’s shitty but not nearly so new as the phenomenon of people consciously considering their media choices.
@@KathrynDMK thank you for taking the time to write a comment.
i should probably clarify something: my comment was less about strucci's point on how we should support unrecognized/niche creators - i mostly agree with her on that. my comment was about how she (and many others) endorse supporting a creator based on his sexual preference, etc.
I'll ask you what i asked strucci: how would you feel if you learned people support your work based on your gender or sexual preference? wouldn't you want people to appreciate your work itself?
i saw an interview a while back with a (female) physicist, who talked about how she was invited to some event to talk about her recent work, but in reality all she was asked about was on how her being a woman affected her work, how was it like to be a woman in a "male" profession, how brave she is for that and so on. she came to talk about her significant work in science, but all people cared about was that she was a woman. she had a lot of criticism on that, and i really can't blame her.
sadly i only see these kinds of things happen more and more, and to be honest - i think most people will feel hurt if they learn people pretended to appreciate their work but actually only cared about their gender etc.
@@KathrynDMK yeah, they're barely testing the waters on niche demographics
@@alexmir1763 lily orchard would agree with you, from what I remember.
And idk, because of the mere exposure effect I think checking out the reviews from a marginalised group or art from them, is like a new song; maybe you won't 'get it' or love it the first time you hear it, and then later it can become a favourite or you find a new genre or you get a personal perspective, that helps you realise when somebody else is taking a bad faith view on a situation.
No.
So people should give money to what might be a bad product...just because it might have someone in it that align with my sexual preference?
People don't give money to things that look bad. And most of the indie games/movies/'zines' look terrible.