Warframe: The 2 Best Melee Frames? But which is better?
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- Опубліковано 8 лют 2024
- Heavy attack Vs Heavy Attack? Which one fits your playstyle then?
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Don’t feel to bad you aren’t the only old Tenno. Been watching you since the Potato Powered days
Damn long time!
Yeah kullervo and voruna are good at melee, but the British are better
Facts
“run thy pockets my good sir, for failing to do so will result a swift slashing.”
“my mistake original gangster.”
I think they'd be better looters than melee fighters lol
@@CourageousRetreatI dunno it’s an election year. I think America will give you a run for your money (and television and sneakers and corner store food)
@@Mr_Feller Stop making me laugh so hard this early. 🤣😂🤣😂
Voruna with Wrathful is so comfortable. Tons of mass AOE damage and survivability. Level 9999 is so relaxing.
Mind sharing your full setup?
I wanna see a build too! Maybe copy it to overframe and post a link? Would appreciate it 🫡
Okay I'll get my wolf babe a try
We're waiting
@@PortalPumahe’s gate keeping.. weirdo of a player
Considering how many Warframes I've subsumed Wrathful Advance on to, I got to give it to Kullervo.
Currently running an Excalibur Umbra. Replaced his 1 with Wrathful Advance. Slapped on Adaptation. Equipped with Despair, Dread, and Hate. So I'm basically running Stalker Umbra. Will probably go back to Valkyr at some point.
I actually started using Brozime's Excel build where you replace his 4 with Wrathful Advance with a stat stick and.... It's wild. It's probably the most afk setup in the game behind Xaku xD
It's fun for me since it reminds me of old blade storm
Funny since bladestorm clones still scale with a lot of mods to a degree even after it was supposedly fixed , still stronger than old one was scaling wise , also Brozikendidnt even use magister which makes it even funnier haha
@@RossKyle95 for sure, Bladestorm damage can get pretty busted especially with Silence + Augment but I mostly compared it to old Bladestorm because it's just tap and go instead of the current one where you need to mark and if you want the cutscene, you need to use teleport while Bladestorm is happening x.x
@@thatonepenguinperson618 oh I meant clone buffing with mods , I knew what you meant haha the old motion sickness simulator haha , tbf it can also be done using his 4 as the stat stick excal that is
Woah those thumbnails just threw me back in time lmao. I still remember waking up in the morning for school and watching either you, OriginalWickedFun, or another channel I can't remember the name of. I don't think he makes WF content anymore. He was super old school I think back to update 9 or something.
i love originalwickedfun too 😭😭😭😭😭😭 so much nostalgia right there
Kulkervo with the last two patch buffs, with nourish, violet shards and using Hate is just so powerful.
As others have said, he doesn't drop off until crazy levels which most won't do anyway.
Yeah to this day the kullervo+reaper prime build I made week 2 of him being out (with the only change being the addition of tennokai and a melee arcane but those don't kick in for this example) can still one shot a full spawn group of corrupt heavy gunners in SP mode at the highest levels I can simulate in the simulacrum. Those shared slash ticks from a super crit go hard
@@torunsmok5890 One AMAZING synergy with him and the melee arcanes is Melee Exposure, you're casting Kull's overshield enough and using his 1 enough that you get a free armour shred guaranteed ontop of the crazy crit and heavy attack synergy, it's stupid. You can literally clear a room with 200% str allowing you to focus range in your mods. Throw 2 red archons on him, 2 yellows for casting speed, and honestly he's so comfy combined with adaptation which does stack in his overshield state, you literally become so ridiculously tanky it's just -chefs kiss-
I just wanna give a quick shoutout to Mirage!
2 of her clones SHOOT alongside her, but all 4 use melee. If you've got the range, that means 5x the rate you normally stack viral and/or corrosive, pretty snappy.
It also makes less consistent DoT weapons more consistent!
OMG such a throwback to the "VS series"!! I remember watching those especially the loki vs ash and boltor p vs soma p videos
Of course Kullervo, you can discard the Combo system and critical chsnce mods and build however you want while causing red criticals and you can still stack combos with skills
Voruna forces weapons to get to 100% and modifies Crit damage on top of mods and also forces slash during the buff after coming out of invis and that’s not factoring elemental taxi from her 2
@@RossKyle95 also not to mention, you can just subsume wrathful advance over her 4 and you can pretty easily maintain red crits
@@skittles0218 well yeah but that’s boring I actually like her 4 since slash taxi is kinda stupid strong
@@RossKyle95 You will remove her 4th for another ability like Kulervos because it doesn‘t do enough dmg in steel path
@@spauy kullervo 4 is utility to keep
His combo up and to stagger enemies , even then you combo it with his 3 and it will kill - I’ve done level cap withvorunaa 4 and it will be sufficient if you know how to use her and stack her stuff
i fucking love voruna's augment so much
Oh yeah. For non-SP content, the augment for her 4 is quite fun. I think I did a 10 minute survival in pubs and didn't have to come out of her 4 until the very end. And even then it wasn't by absolute necessity.
Non SP?? Voruna with an Ulfram's Descent build is by far my most fun and effective frame for SP.
@@vichraev.5386 I haven't done much of any SP content, so I can't speak for SP viability from personal experience.
Yo classic tater is back let's go, I used to watch you when I was like 14 now I'm almost in my mid 20s 😂 crazy how fast time flies I'm back playing Warframe after years and having so much fun with it, if you are down to make another one of these videos let's see a versus battle between to Crit based Warframes like who is best at getting Crit chance or Crit damage etc etc.
I love these vs videos, keep going homie!!
I always thought the comparison was weird, cause I feel like I use Voruna and Kullervo for different things
Voruna is just so fun. I used valkyr forever! And then mesa for a brief period now it’s purely voruna or sometimes wisp.
I love using Gauss on slow Melees with his insane attack speed buff!
Valkyr was my favorite frame when I originally got into the game a long time ago and it has always made me sad how far she has fallen but when voruna and kullervo came out I finally had new favorite frames and they have taken her spot for me even tho she is still one of my favorites
It's a shame. It takes so much work to make Valkyr good again. She was, and still might be, one of my most played frames. Baruuk might have taken that spot nowadays, but I miss Valkyr
Valkyr is still very good, her main issue is mainly QoL/2 bad abilities but her actually melee gameplay is very strong. Her slide attack plus the introduction of tennokai turns her into a hypermobile room clearer.
Im personally not a fan of Kullvero, But I do love Voruna and Garuda
I was determined to get a melee Warframe and pour into it everything I got. So I got Voruna and fell in love with her playstyle. It's that "feral predator" vibe that hooked me in.
Nice Video, ty for that much appreciated man, next video maybe about the best counterpart to gauss? (Means perfect mobility and also perfect kit of abilities?!)
Been using one of my old favorites as a weapon platform. My immortal Chroma has been filling my nostalgia cravings. Falling in love with him all over again
Also, the Tennet Agendus and the Syam name superb Tennokai weapons.
2:49 I actually really like leaving the Storm of Ukko on him due to one quirk: both his 2 and 4 on damage ticks count as melee hits to build combo. Yeah Roar like you used there would give you that faction damage buff, but having the daggers help your melee combo uptime intrinsically to his kit is what sells him as the better melee frame to me.
duuude these two are my most played frames since they were released. and voruna's wrath is an insanely fun combo :))) I love that they combine ability spam with heavy melee play which no other frame does. as kullervo I constantly score 60 to 80% dmg in netracell runs in public. plus pardon my bad pun but he has KUL embedded in his name :))))
I'm still in love with full melee Garuda, just love her bloody dance
Voruna and revenant are my favorite melee frames, putting warcry on rev and ensnare on voruna is crazy
Voruna with a Catalyzing Shields/Brief Respite setup is incredibly survivable, as the amount of health orbs she generates ensures a constant energy supply. Refreshing a 1.33s shield gate makes her more survivable at high levels than Kullervo refreshing his 0.5s overguard gate.
Voruna buffs the melee _harder,_ her shroud of dynar + subsumed wrathful is a 1-2 punch of crit chance crit damage, with guaranteed bleeds from dynar too on top of being able to prime your melee for every status in the game by spamming your 2 a couple of times.
But Kullervo, while buffing the melee less, has a far more important tool. That is, spreading the melee's damage to an absolutely huge area. Voruna's status spread only has a chance of spreading her DOT procs, so Kullervo can much more consistently damage enemies in a large area.
good points
You don't need to build Voruna's defenses if you use an Ulfram's Descent build, since she never gets hit.
Liked the “old school” video! How about best defensive frame, hydroid or kora? Best speedy boy Gauss vs Volt, etc., etc.
mirage ? if you build for strenght then it is :
5x the damage, 5x the ammount of statuses, and larger range thanks to the hall of mirrors,
potentionaly huge eclipse damage boost (applied 5x with total eclipse) with around 10x damage multi,
acces to blind for another 7x damage
+ OP companion since eclipse always applis max damage buff to companion
+ survival problems are solved with CEDO which is both a primer (with 9 different statuses) and basicly hard CC for whole rooms
+ free subsume for anything you want (i recommend nourish since it boost every single point i have mentioned here, more statuses, more damage, applies to HoM, applies to companion, solves any energy issues, boosts survivalability)
Two of my favorite:O
Potato I came back for cross save after 6 years away...first thing I did was go looking for this one particular beautiful fecker to help me get caught up.
Gauss, put wrathful advance over thermal sunder. Grab the augment for mach rush so you can pull people in. Balance range, strength, and duration at like ~200 ish each, can get away with less duration but I like it and supplement with archon shards.
Could I ask for an update on your Tenet Agendus build video you made 2 years ago? An imgur link to the build will be enough as I enjoy the gameplay from your side but can't for the love of me figure out what mods you use now compared to last time XD
Would love to see how Sevagoth's shadow stacks up next to these
Hydroid also benefits from wrathful advance! With his plunder and corrosive procs on everything he can easily go to stupid high levels! Maybe not on par but still a ton of fun!
I was an ash main for the longest time but kullvaro made me switch. I built Voruna too but I think I need to play her a little more.
tbh volt and harrow is still my favs for melee. just the pure speeeeeeed makes melee button mashing a bit more fun
I don't have either of them yet. For now I'm making do with Valkyr on occasion, but mostly for melee fun I'm finding Venom Dose Saryn with Condition Overload + Healing Return to be pretty effective. I don't have much for shards yet, either, but I'm working on it, and Melee Influence...that's the dream, isn't it?
Great vid, next could you do xaku and protea undecided on the better frame
That was old school, I like. More of that❤
I want you watch your Who is better Ninja Loki vs Ash video on stream and read some of its comments 😄
Didn’t play Kullervo yet but I love Voruna, without Helminth she can clear level cap and is so fun to play ❤
Honestly I like them both but Voruna is my favorite right now, I really like the CO setup and I actually think her 4 with the augment is outstanding in most missions. The fact that she gets stalled by nullifiers in that mode is a real buzzkill though so if there's gonna be those I bring a max range setup with wrathful advance over her 4 or something similar. Her parkour velocity passive is just a lot of fun for getting around missions, then you can switch to efficiency or status immunity as needed and I really like that
I see this as the old CO vs blood rush mains. Just evolved. Lmao.
My loki is still my go to, as enemies just getting gored is funny
I like using Oberon, lock in the buffs on your party and fallow through on the swings.
Not the strongest but i enjoy being an offensive support for my team.
Makes it hard finding a new frame other than necron fro me. Lol
Great video and long time subscriber. Havent played warframe in about a year ... but what I hear these 2 warframes replace excaliber and valkyr... sigh if this isnt true
Kullervo with the Innodem, valkyr buff on his 4th slot, kullervo in the air goes BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
Gimme an updated Chroma build! I'm a returning player and I wanna see what you've done to my boy!
I love my red crit Garuda Prime using her claws. Just personal preference to me.
I hold them as equal on both my setups since they both can easily output billions of damage in seconds but I gotta say my Voruna build with Breach surge is just absolutely so satisfying
Oh MONK Baruuk is just *fantastic* for melee damage. (Meanwhile, still no Varuna and Kullervo but hey, I'm totally on top of farming those.)
I rarely use melees with Kullervo, I tend to use collective curse with hard hitting single target weapons like the Kuva Chakkhurr making them AoE
You should try a Ceramic Dagger Incarnon build with Gauss Prime , i promise you it goes very well together if you have the augment mod for mach
Kullervo is more melee oriented for me since he has basically infinite combo counter, while Voruna i use as a half and half with priming with her second, killing the enemy and slam the Cedo special
Video idea: with soo many other better melee war frames… is the OG melee frame, Excal. (any ‘version’) still viable in any way shape or form.
Thank you.
I like kullervo a lot but voruna feels so much better for me to play. And she instantly became my main when she came out so... yea that sums it up
BTW geniuous call health conversion
I still main valkyr prime, just love her simplicity. Need attack speed?, use warcry with eternal war. Dying? use her ult. Also she is tanky enough that if you build her right you will be ok on most of the Star Chart and SP without relying from the invulnerability of her ult or rolling guard. Also i love that she doesnt kneel when falling from high places just keep on running like its nothing. Only cons for me is she is expensive to build.
Volt with warcry and eternal war is my fav bc SPEEED
As a melee enthusiast, it was always between Kullervo and Excalibur.
I think Voruna is really good don't get me wrong, but she always felt way too clunky and would consistently get overpowered by Excalibur's Furious javlin buff the higher the enemy density, which in a horde shooter is literally the whole point. Even Kullervo deals less damage then Excal cuz he only buffs Crit chance and doesn't have any final damage multipliers when Excal has 2 with his 3's augment, and his 2's blind that gives +700% stealth damage bonus. but at least Kullervo has a built in marked for death which easily gives him the highest KPM out of all the 3 frames.
the community seem to be sleeping on excalibur to be honest. In public lobbies I usually find myself having 80-90% of dmg and the lions shares of kills in all content until level 600. I think most people just dont understand how to use him.
@@FR0NTLINETACTICSthey are not. Excalibur has Line of sight issues which make his buff unreliable. His damage is highly inconsistent and he is way more fragile as well
@@FR0NTLINETACTICS yeah, he is just like volt, as in his Ability descriptions literally don't tell you anything, you really have to read the wiki to find out how he works. most people still have no idea that his 2 indirectly boosts damage and that his 1 requires a stat stick. most people see the wall of text from the abilities page of frames like Kullervo and Voruna and they assume that they must be better cuz they have seem to do more.
Voruna is hands down the strongest melee frame no contest. Kullervo is also very good, but the fact that his best ability is his Helminth downgrades his power monopoly. Also Voruna + CO is generally very similar in damage to Red Crit Kullervo with no priming, and she significantly surpasses his damage with his Helminth over her 4. Voruna's Status spread from her 2 alongside using Melee Influence on her gives her very similar KPM and area coverage as Kullervo. She also has unlimited energy, status immunity so her Exilus slot is free and she doesn't need Rolling Guard, and her base shields are low so she's great at shield gating (plus she's not using a secondary so Augur Reach + Augur mods on Secondary are her full shield gate with Catalyzing and she doesn't need Brief Respite). She's also not clunky, do people not know how to play her? You cast 3 and it's up for the rest of the mission, then your combo is just cast 1, when you see an enemy you want to melee press 2, melee, cast 1 when your crit damage buff from 1 expires, cast 2 on a new enemy, repeat. She's just cycling 2 abilities to gain damage and move around while shield gating and being invisible outside of combat, and the rest of your time is just spent doing melee. She's super fluid and jumps around the map. It's her 4 that's clunky which isn't used on good Voruna builds.
@@hallyuniverse "Voruna is hands down the strongest melee frame" "Kullervo....best ability is his helminth downgrades his power monopoly" "Voruna significantly surpasses Kullervo with his helminth over her 4" lol she's better then him when using his best ability as a crutch to out damage him. If she was the strongest hands down then she shouldn't need him to help her beat him.
Old tenno checking in!
The pennant is easily one of the best pairings for a kullervo heavy attack setup
Finna subsume wrathful advance onto my valkyr, BRRRRRRR
its not kullervo or voruna, its mirage. ever wondered why we stack multishot on weapons? beucase its the best damage multiplier and mirage literally has multishot on melees with her clones
Yeah, the second you said you out wrathful advance on voruna, i instantly knew who won
Gauss as long as your using something that doesn't slow you down much(glaives throwing doesn't slow you down at all)
kull and glaives mmmmm so good.
glaives slow down. personal problem ;-))
That Tenshin Konzu statment made me spit biscuit and tea all over my monitor thanks!
Kullervo is best if you like playing around with different weapons, but for pure raw room clearing, insane mobility, permastealth, leave the floor covered in orbs for your team, nothing beats a Voruna Ulfram's Descent build, which you didn't cover here.
I was able to out DPS my brother on both Mirage and Saryn with Kullervo, and only he knew we were competing. 😂😂😂
His KPH was a bit higher, but my damage was destroying him. 😂😂
How do i get my damage numbers to do this ive looked through all the settings but cant find it
Could we get an Excal vs Baruuk? Bith melee frames with devent survivability
Kullervo + ghoulsaw = fun
Well i do count baruuks exhalted weapon as a melee aswell. and for me its between baruuk and kullervo.. but to be honest kullervo is just so strong
One of my favorite melee frame
Assimilate nyx with wrathfull advance and the ghoulsaw 😂
*Hits Recompense*
He-he i am invulnerable for a moment longer, idjits.
A bit off topic, but isn't Vorunas 4th kinda good with augment? Or should I just subsume it
it is, but it's a different build & gameplay style...
I never thought as Voruna as all that good at anything, maybe if her stealth didn't break when she attacks. Kullervo is amazing for melee but I prefer Rhino for greater overguard (Kullervo caps at 13,000), a damage buff that also helps the squad, his charge helps _some_ with mobility, and the damage and CC from the stomp. Kullervo is great but I'm not a huge fan of having to customize weapon mods to suit the frame that's using them. A strong contended for me would be Stalker, you can only play him in Duviri but his stealth actually lasts and he does insane damage while it's up, and his mark/teleport combo can obliterate large groups. Plus his ult gives him pretty damn great defense, in addition to stealth just making him untargetable.
Voruna can do any level content, but you need to play her well even on low-level content (I considder steel path without going more than 5 mins low level). But Kullervo can also do any level content, but you only need to switch your brain on at around level 1000.
I could not have put it better myself. You really have to concentrate, all the time, with Voruna, whereas with Kullervo you can pretty much get into a rhythm from the off, and it's really smooth.
Actually I disagree, but maybe I've just played her so much. My Ulfram's Descent build always feels like I'm cheating. I just put on some chill music and wreck everything.
Baruuk the true melee frame he's so melee even the enemy's put down their jammed guns and join in the melee fun lol
Voruna is my choice personally. Shes a monster with nourish...viral+her ultimates slash wrecks even on level cap.
TL;DR I love kullervo lmao
I love my Kullervo much more. He is an absolute monster. I got 5 violet (1 tau) shards on him and my Azothane gets a whopping of 14X CRIT DAMAGE at BASE. Combine this with wrathful advance which gives me 458% crit chance I shree enemies even after an hour of survival. I also love to use syam with him because it fits him and its wave cleaes enemies. He doesn't die easily too. One of my comfort frames for sure.
I'd say Kullervo, guaranteed red crits that you can increase even more with other abilities and you can't die, unlike Excal the bad, deals insane damage but gets one shot as soon as you walk into a room, and Kullervo deals more damage anyways
Can we get special recognition for my guy Baruuk? I lean Kullervo but it’s usually a toss up between them
If Condition Overload and Shattering Impact functioned properly with Serene Storm, it'd be a no contest in favor of Baruuk. Currently his Serene Storm ability is wonky at best, being bugged out by having, technically, 3 melee mechanics hobbled together.
@@thisguy3500 that’s fair
I'm probably playing Warframe entirely wrong but i like to use Excaliber umbra with Dual kamas prime. I know i'm certainly not doing millions of damage but maybe i'll learn how to some day. I just wish the mods i want weren't 1% chance to get or have to log in for 500 days.
Use Nourish, and purple arcon shards for kullervo. Your welcome
I really miss how the game use to be. As someone just coming back to the game in completely overwhelmed
getting rid of kul 4 makes it hard or impossible to constant heavy attack which wih how fast he can want to. each hit from storm to a chained enemy in the sotrm is keeping counter up. maybe the roar is = 12x combo?
wrathful advance mechanics have problems as sometimes im waiting for extended amount of time unable to cast 'ability in use' have moved on to have the skill finsh and be drug back. it should be unlinked for the heavy attack windup. i have trouble figureing out if it is that or the recompense animation the game is tring to sort out
i say this because of how smoothly both vorunas warp attacks function. instant smooth
kullevero is the better tank until his overguaard is gone and there isnt 4 enemys to make recompense spamable as it will run the animation (3 blades per enemy 10 blades the timer till the blades return unaffected by casting speed as far as i can tell which is 1 reason why i learned how much kull loves range.....untill constantly teleporting into walls or over ledges lol is 60M too much no because linking 45m of enemies....thats like one of the long rooms in the void tileset....lol)
conversly voruna has a built in oh-shit kit that is fairly reliable but if nothing is dying your not healing so they are both lacking in the sense of needed enemies to survive (ironically)
i think she wins if CO.
kul is getting higher crit tiers she is getting raw crit damage
kul is about spanking...(anyone else hear him yelling 'NOO' when going after demolists? lol) and its so easy to maintain a 12x spank vs voruna who has to work at it but will almost always beat him when she does (speculation)
as always there will never be a best as everythiing is circumstances..... unless maybe kull goes beast mode on her and theyh have a baby lol
I really just play what I think is cool but I also happen to think melee is cool in games. xD
I mostly play Valkyr or Hildryn. Otherwise I enjoy some melee with Wukong or Garuda.
Valkyr is nice because of her tankyness and the bonus attack speed from Eternal War means I don't need to mod the weapon attack speed like I otherwise do, so I instead have room for another damage mod.
My Hildryn has no special bonus or synergy with melee. She just look so strong I want her to crush her enemies. xD
Idk, but kullervo+zenistar is funny
It'd be funnier if the extended range tennokai mod worked with zenistar
Mag vs frost vs volt
CC survival and armor strip vs weapon buffing armor strip vs radial nuke and survival
Battle of the OG casters
I’mma say kullervo because I’m bias and I just finished crafting kullervo
Valkyr Hysteria build with Wrathful is nice......
*Cries in Valkyr main*
Honestly WA is overkill on a Talons build at anything under level 600, and anything over that armor strip is going to be more effective. I'm finally going to get myself Hildryn in 2 weeks when she comes around in the Circuit because Exploiter Orb looks like a pain in the ass to get Pillage for Valkitty...
I'm very behind, but what about my baby Valkyr? She needs a revisit from DE....
The problem with Valkitty is that the Hysteria stance is bad, but with recent updates she can do billion damage crits in Hysteria so any forced Slash proc anywhere in the stance combos means she can do invulnerable level cap pressing 3 buttons. It's a sticky problem for DE to solve without a ground-up rework and there are actual bad frames that need the love more...
Pretty sure Baruuk can out do both combined and his punch travels across the map been a while since i played anything thats not Saryn tho coz ya know, best frame
It's admittedly a little fringe, but recently I've tried running Excalibur as a melee frame to surprising results
I live on Equinox, so she's a monster no matter what weapon I use.
Put both on a team with Excal Umbra and let the carnage begin!
Kullervo is the best melee frame in the game and it's not even close. His best ability is collective curse without a shred of doubt and the damage spreading of it is what makes him the best.
I don't care if you can have an incarnon weapon with a riven with primed reach to get 10 meter attack range.
Collective curse reaches 60+ meters and has 0 damage fall-off from followthrough.
I like both but Valkyr will always be my favourite melee frame.
Unless they nerf violet shards, my current Kullervo with prisma cleavers is at like 18% crit damage and i have two more spots to fill
Still doesn't have a proper build for Kullervo so I'm going for Voruna. I think she can go toe to toe with kullervo if she has a melee influence and a weapon that can force proc electric dmg on heavy attack.
My Preference is Kullervo because he's more chill to play imo, just stack a bit of Overguard with his 2, after that Wrathful with Incarnon Hate and occasionally pop the 3 for nuking rooms full of Enemies. Just personal Preference, not saying that he's objectively better :)
does baruuk count as a melee frame I love the angry monk