@@BlackHearthguard Say what you want about the history channel now but project blue book is very interesting and can at least be proven by fact now ancient aliens is a whole other story
Yah, told my friend to turn the channel instead of watching Pawn Stars, he replied, "Well they don't have any history programs on the History Channel." Yah, because you keep on watching that Pawn Stars crap, turn the channel!
The Hunt for Red October is my favorite Tom Clancy novel, and in my top five of favorite novels ever. Learning about the true history and facts about it is amazing and I appreciate the book more now
I wish the history channel would still make shows about 'the history behind X or Y''. Very interesting and a good balance between history, education, and entertainment.
A long long time ago I can still remember when the history channel used to make me smile, I knew when I needed my history fix that channel was what I missed now all I see is pawn fking stars
Yup ,the history channel went to shit. I wish someone would bring it back the way it was. U Tube seems getting better all the time. Still to many crime drama movies though.
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i agree my friend. when history channel was awesome. NOW it's a bunch of over dramatic shows that explore things that has never happened 'what if' scenarios. shits ridiculous now.
Agreed. Whoever writes the novels under Clancy's name isn't nearly as good. Amazon's Jack Ryan series is pretty good, but how Clancy's people ever let Admiral Greer's character be a Muslim is beyond me.
And scary how some of his crazy scenarios (a plane flying into the Capital?) (bio virus spread to kill off people all over the world?) came true years later.
@@frankbodenschatz173 Nope. I have great respect for Sean Connery but not going to let go of boycotting anything Baldwin was in. Maybe the studio can CGI in someone else.
I remember he was on late night talk show Leno? Fallon? I don't remember what I do remember is that he just got done w/ this movie, they showed about 4 min snipit of movie n the house just roared....
Maybe going to st. petersburg was just a red herring to get the guys to support him. His real intentions were to defect to Sweden. That how I would have done it. :))
Well if you look at it, had that one sailor not jumped overboard and swam to shore, and the communications actually reaching the disheartened Soviet people, maybe it would have worked. 🤷♂️
"Trust the fact that history will judge events honestly and you will never have to be embarrassed for what your father did. On no account ever be one of those people who criticise but do not follow through their actions. Such people are hypocrites-weak, people who do not have the power to reconcile their beliefs with their actions. I wish you courage, my dear. Be strong in the belief that life is wonderful. Be positive and believe that the Revolution will always win." Valery Sablin's last letter to his son before his execution.
This is by far the best comment on the doc. Not anothers opinion but his words. I am no fan of the Soviet system but their is no denying this mans conviction for what he believed was right.
@@hutch1819As a historian, I can vouch for the truth that history is indeed written by the victors. Too many times we have found evidence that directly contradicts the written history.
The Hunt For Red October has long been one of my favorite books and movies. I loved Clancy's vision of cold war maneuvers between Russia and the US. To find out that there is an actual event the mirrors so many of the events in the movie is completely crazy. I also kind of wonder if there isn't still more we don't know of, or maybe another event that wasn't ever publicized. When the book came out Clancy was supposedly interviewed by government agents to determine exactly what information he was privy to in writing the book which makes me wonder if they were nervous that he knew about something else not in the existing details of this event. I do prefer the ending of Clancy's version however, which may not have been as good for the USSR but were to me far less tragic than the real one.
I agree with you. I did not finish the book. I did not know about the book until the movie came out, and I wanted to read the novel before seeing the movie. We are usually left disappointed because the movie and the novel are completely at odds, and 9 out of 10 times the book is the better story. Of course there are times when the film is very different and much better. Jaws is a great example. The novel is good, but the movie is a masterpiece!! So, I guess I got impatient and put the book down and watched the movie. The movie is a juggernaut ! I put it up there with my favorites. And I have too many favorites!! lol, the list is very long. Cheers to ya!
I read the book after the movie, it was cool to actually envision a "real" face for the characters while reading the book. It works really well with Clancy books. In my vision A. Baldwin will always be the face of JR
@@heyitsvos Hah yah, I suppose it's a bit like Bond in that regard, right? The actor you saw first or in the movie that had the most influence with you becomes the "real" Bond. I agree though, Alec did a tremendous job in Hunt. Personally, I think of him as the "young" JR and Harrison Ford as the middle-aged college prof JR, although I also enjoyed Krasinski's portrayal as well.
@@persona2grata yeah exactly dude. Even though I read all the other books and watched all the movies after THFRO, everytime I read the book all the characters popped into my head with same actors from October
Completely forgotten he passed away. :( I haven't read the book, but the movie is one of my favorite " go-to" for watching, or going to sleep to. A Bridge of Spies is another. They both unfold as excellent "audio books" to fall asleep to.
What an amazing story! I watch hundreds of military shows, and this is one of the most interesting, and incredible stories of them all! I think about what kind of a man he was to have the guts to not only think up something like this, but to actually commence carrying it out! He must've had some intense personality to convince enough others to go along with his plan... the movie was great, but the real story is MUCH better! Thanks for posting this one...
Please read the REAL STORY. The name of the book is "Mutiny" and it is the true story of a mutiny on a Russian guided missile ship. The authors are David Hagberg & Boris Gindin. Tom Clancy came up with Red October after reading a Navy report about the real incident. FLY NAVY!!!
In the movie _The Hunt for Red October_ (I have never read the book) Captain Ramius was an idealist, too. He hoped for new lives for his officers in the US, but his REASON for defecting was to deliver the Red October to the US. As he put it, there was only one reason for a nuclear missile submarine with such stealth technology, and that was as a first strike weapon. He felt it would totally destabilize the balance of power, and he intended to keep it equal. BTW if you like true stories like this, read _The Red Orchestra_. It is the well researched story of the Soviet spy network in Europe during WW2. In those days "red" of course stood for the Soviets, and "orchestra" stood for a spy network. The Germans had an entire departmen of the gestapo dedicated to hunting them. That Soviet spy master was a truly ground breaking man that knew his craft. In fact he pioneered... no, I decided to remove those spoilers and let you read this very interesting, and at times gripping, story for yourselves. The book even has a surprise ending like any good spy thriller.
Sorry to dispute the scriptwriter, but there are better first-strike weapons than a somewhat more quiet boomer. The oldest one was to deliver a weapon from a cargo boat in Baltimore harbor, which I read in a short story in the early 1970s. Another scheme was suggested for the Soviet sub partially recovered by the Glomar Explorer, K-129. Supposedly, Mikael Suslov, the Party Ideologist in the Politburo arranged that there were special crew aboard it, and when retrieved seemed to have been sunk by a self-destruct system, in case of an attempt to fire the missiles without authority. The proposed idea was to launch an attack on the USA using a sub similar to those given to the PRC, so that the response would be on another Soviet enemy. In American doctrine, sub launched missiles were citykillers at best, whereas first strike is planned for a decapitation or counterforce strike. Destroy most of the missiles in their siloes and they are harmless.
Actually the reason Ramus defected with the Red October was not to destabilize their balance of power as you put it but to make the Soviet Union pay for his wife’s death. In the book his wife had to go into surgery and the surgeon who was to perform a simple appendectomy was drunk and botch the operation which led his wife to start taking medications which only made Ramus’s wife die because the medications were not up to Western standards. Also Ramus saw how the Soviet Union had treated others and most of his officers also had grudges against Russia as well. So Ramus defected and gave the U.S. the Soviet Unions flag ship and all of her secrets to pay the price for the death of his wife, I would strongly suggest that you read the book or see the movie or both….you will enjoy it!!😁
@@cleopatraoatcake7364 Actually, I found Red October to be a very well written work with above average characterizations. What set it apart, though, was its thorough technical knowledge and deep understanding of the various vessels and their crews. People couldn't understand how Clancy knew so much. Cheers.
@@Egilhelmson The "deliver a weapon from a cargo ship" concept is so problematic, that when I was in the Navy on a submarine we actually ran a torpex against an old cargo ship to prove we could kill one in a single shot, just in case such a thing happened and we had very little time to deal with it. It was more a concern that terrorists might try such a thing rather than a nation state.
A true patriot. Today information is even more powerful. Kudos to whistleblowers in all nations. We need governments. Transparent governments. At heart most people in the world want the same things. Food, shelter, security, a decent job. All of us have more in common then we realize. It is by fear and obfuscation we are led astray.
I remember buying "Hunt For Red October" the first time l saw it in the bookstore so many years ago. Read the description on the jacket sleeve and though "who doesn't like a good submarine story?" And boy was it! But this is the first I've ever heard of The Sentry and her story! Wow!
Ironically, this guy's plan was shit. Really, what did he expect to happen if he actually got to Leningrad? Probably the same thing that happened when he actually broadcast his tape to the people attacking him. Naive, to be sure.
"The hunt for Red October" is my favorite Sean Connery movie. I'm able to watch at least a few movies on my mobile fone. I wanted to see if I can watch it one day. I couldn't. Amongst a few various scenes from the move there was also this documentary. So I viewed the video. It's one of my favorite documentaries.
You and me both. My TV used to be on the History Channel 15 hours out of 24 daily. I finally dump them couple years or so ago when all they started showing was trash and Democrat propaganda garbage....Ah, the beginnings of the loss of the 1st amendment indeed !!! I mostly watch stuff off internet coming out of Europe or Asia, those actually have far less propaganda imbedded in them than US networks ! And yet they still call the US the "land of the free" --- you might want to take a closer look at just how "free" you are anymore !!! IF you want a real definition of "freedom" go read the Patriot Act passed under Boy Bush and Renewed under Obama !!! Your eyes will really awaken once on read that !
You can read the true story, the name of the book is "Mutiny" and it is the story of the Russian Guided Missile cruiser Storozhevoy. The authors are David Hagberg & Boris Gindin. Tom Clancy read a Navy report about this story and came up with Red October from it. Interesting point is the ship was actually taken by the political officer, won't say anything else for those who want to read it.
@@GeoJesse My name for him is now Putler. He is proof positive that you can take the person out of the KGB but you can't take the KGB out of the person. FLY NAVY!!!
+wotan20 Except for a few spy stories, you probably are going to be disappointed. If you think about it, there was far more need to defect from the iron curtain to the west than vise versa. How many Berlin like wall were built by the west to keep people from leaving?
You'll be waiting a long time, unless you want to find out about some truckers or lumberjacks, History Channel has as much to do with History today as MTV does with playing music videos.
We do, every four years in the west a group of rabble rousers demands the government be overthrown and the leaders and cabin ate ministers have to win public support over the air waves and in newspapers or be replaced.
I can’t remember where I heard it but I had heard that there were some details in Clancy’s book that were published, but not really public knowledge, so both sides demanded to know where he got some of his info because they thought there had been a leak of some sort. Turns out he was just a really good researcher and found the right combination of materials and put all the pieces together himself
Much like Robert E. Heinlein suggesting using radioactive uranium dust to destroy enemy populations and create a Pax Americana. He was visited by the FBI just after Pearl Harbor, and interrogated for an afternoon before they decided that the Naval Academy graduate had just made good guesses from public info.
It was actually a marketing strategy. There were radio ads claiming Clancy had risked national security for a book and that he had been interviewed by US intelligence agencies.
You have to remember the history of St Petersburg and the marine naval base there. Two attempts to overthrow the royal goverment were instigated from there, one failed, one was very successful (panzercruizer Potjemkin), starting the revolution in Russia. So it is a place with a great symbolic significance, as any russian know from early schooldays. But the plan has a whole seemed naivë. Should not the coastal defense of St Petersburg open fire at a renegade ship approaching? Surely they would.
I'm Russian, but I totally agree with u. I love my country but it's been ran by selfish idiot's for way too many years. Peter The First was the last good ruler for Russians
Its interesting because my dad who was a captain of a ship in the soviet navy told me he was discharged because a submarine was attempting to defect to America and he was ordered to sink it and refused, this was in the 80s
I moved out to Colorado Springs, Co in 1979 with my girlfriend and soon-to-be wife. She was a registered nurse working in the city hospital, while I was working in a factory plating Craftsmen tools. We were invited over to dinner by a coworker at the hospital. As my girlfriend was helping her friend, I began talking to her boyfriend who had just been discharged from the navy. The navy being of great interest to me made conversation easy and productive with this new civilian. My ex-brother-in-law some years before had been a lieutenant on a nuclear sub out of Holy Loch, Scotland, when he was dating my older sister and who I was living with at the time. I would pepper him with questions most of which he couldn't answer due to secrecy. However, he did relate instances of our ships and Soviet ships playing chicken as well as sneaking into protected areas to snatch photographs of sensitive military instillations. I laid these stories on this guy who then told me that 4 years before, some Russians had stolen a ship and were defecting but ended up being sunk/or caught. It was a fascinating story, and I had asked him where he had gotten his account. He told me that he had read about it in a military journal of some sort. Of course when The movie, "The Hunt for Red October, " came out, I made the connection between it and what I had been told. However, it was not until today that I heard the real account.
Great documentary! Love the Red October film & the original book by Tom Clancy. Technically this was a barratry and not a mutiny, right? Anyway, at least in the fictional story it was a barratry. To quote the book: " Mutiny is when the crew rebels against lawful authority. Gross misconduct of the officers is called barratry."
This is a better story than Red October. Should make this into a film. Although its unlikely to be made because it didn't feature any American involvement.
Swedish military have been "infiltrated" by US military/CIA ... as explained in this documentary with the presence of sophisticated listening devices. If Sweden was TRULY neutral/independant of the USA they would never have gotten the stuff, because they could have sold it to "the other side" or given its secrets away. There have been several "submarine incidents" in swedish waters, which were ALL blamed on the Soviet Union, but which were - PARTLY - italian mini-subs instead. Swedish military KNEW about this, because the Soviet Union did NOT have such mini-subs and the waters in the areas was pretty shallow. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_submarine_incidents The point of the exercise was to distance the "mid 1980s Sweden" from the Soviet Union, because the Swedish Premier at the time - Olof Palme, who got assassinated in 1986 - was trying to distance the country from the West to become truly neutral instead of "halfway west". Those stories about the subs could easily be added to the movie, because it is unclear who the culprits were in many cases at the time. So it would be about spies and speculations instead of "action/drama on a military vessel".
This is more mind blowing then a nuclear sub joining the west, to imagine a russian revolution could have started from a second in comand and a battleship. Not to mention the fact that it could have sparked a world war three durring the cold war.
@@mikebronicki6978 What I don't get is what was he thinking not firing back. You want a revolution where your going to change Russia and you don't want your men firing on Russians? How the fuck are you going to accomplish this and why the fuck are you stealing a warship to not fight. Clearly he didn't understand how revolution works because I'm not aware of a revolution overthrowing an entire government without firing a shot.
Interesting. I thought since I read the book in the 1980s that it was inspired by the K-19 incident. I had gotten the story in a security briefing as a Navy nuclear engineer, and it seemed to fit.
Valeri Sablin is true hero.What he wanted is return to the ideals of October. I knew this story and I knew that book was based on this mutiny. But its large unknown among academics.
I met a guy in Bulgaria.. he told me he had been involved in the theft of plans for concord. He also said that the west knew those plans were going to be stolen.. so the west changed the plans just enough so that the soviets did not think anything was amiss. The change was just enough to upset the balance of the aircraft if its basic design was copied -which it was. Then the west sat back and waited for the inevitable crash.. which happened at the Paris air show. He also told me that when he was teaching westerners to ski.. he was gifted a ski jacket.. one of his colleagues told on him as they were not allowed to accept gifts.. and he ended up in prison for a year. I met a woman in a bar there and her English was perfect. I asked why it was so good and she told me that her job had been transcribing technical documents stolen from the west into Russian. Bulgaria.. just after the wall came down.. very interesting place to be…
@@SoulArtSound he didn't, but Captain Ramius did. It was not unusual when The Hunt For Red October was released to have Soviet pilots defecting with their aircraft, hence, why he defected in the book. But, few in the US even herd of a political officer at the time, pretty much none would even rent, let alone buy a plot line where a political officer defected or rebelled against the massive corruption within the Soviet Communist Party.
Alas you are all correct, the History Channel just sucks right now, but this Doc is excellent as all of the History Channel programming was then, and is better than the the Hollywood twist on the story, there are so many stories in history that are way more interesting than the same story portrayed in the movies, anyway an excellent Doc, I want to watch it again to pick up more info......keep on......and a happy and peaceful holiday season.........justasinger54
Was cool but all propaganda. "tell the little child a Ghost story so it will,without regret gladly tuck under the blankets and go to sleep." To the Victors of War go's the right to wright the History Books. as the sheep sleep.
@@Scorch428 he wanted to sail to a tiny island about 30 km of Leningrad to broadcast a radio message. He knew that the USSR was rotting and the rest of the military knew it too. Thus, he would tell the people who were also starting to understand it and they would start a second revolution. He wanted that because he believed that the USSR had moved too far of Lenin's and Stalin's ideas and was starting to become less and less socialist yet more and more corrupt, beurucratic and revisionist.
I get nostalgic for the movie, but the real life story is even more interesting. Like they say, truth is often stranger (or more interesting) than fiction ;)
Very interesting story but I differ with Gregory young. THFRO is a real classic and well thought out. The actors did a fantastic job in each role. I love this movie. However, the real story should be turned into a movie also.
I think The hunt of Red October is more based on another story. In 1961 a capitan of a ship called Smolnyj disobeyed orders to sail the ship to Tallinn and insted sailed to Gotland. Then he was granted assylum in USA, while ship was returned to the USSR. Capitan's name was Jonas Pleškys whose nationality was lithuanian and in the movie they also mention that. Although it is only my opinion :)
Oh yeah and Tom Clancy lived not far from NAS Patuxent River MD...that Czech boat could be seen on the way to his house...Clancy had a lot of Naval Aviators as friends
I think the reason for making Ramius a defector, is because the film was made for a western audience... And a "soviet" defecting to the West for reason of a "better life" perfectly fits.. Who would be interested in a "patriotic" soviet, that wants to preserve a shunned system, that is not stuff for a western audience... Not even for a "soviet" audience... Well the truth is something most did not like to hear, if it does not fit into their way of thinking...
In many states of our country, it is considered heretical to view our history, discuss it in depth from a variety of angles and possibly learn from that analysis. The denial of the past is a step towards the fall of a culture.
Today on The History Channel: Ancient Aliens, Foods That Built America, The Curse of Oak Island, Some Assembly Required, and of course The Unexplained.
@Jimmy Rustling I grew up watching Hollywood propaganda movies about Russia, in my mind it created a ruthless and and rogue Russia, until I started to study history and politics. A country that was invaded two times in 4 decades. I'm just glad now that Russia did not inherit the USSR's carelessness.
Sadly it tends to be the scumbags and sociopaths who plan things out the longest, since they are always in a mindset of scheming and manipulating, always in a mindset of covering their own asses, etc...
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A show about history on the History channel? Those were the days.
Couldn't happen today. Not enough aliens.
@@BlackHearthguard Say what you want about the history channel now but project blue book is very interesting and can at least be proven by fact now ancient aliens is a whole other story
Yah, told my friend to turn the channel instead of watching Pawn Stars, he replied, "Well they don't have any history programs on the History Channel." Yah, because you keep on watching that Pawn Stars crap, turn the channel!
Haha. Yeah surprised they didn't say it was based on ancient aliens transporting down onto a ship to attempt to initiate WW3.
@@Dick_Interritus at&t Uverse Has a military History Channel the ouly Cable provider that has it I miss it lol Now with X finity
I find myself watching the movie Hunt For Red October at least once a year. Usually around the time the weather becomes cold and hard.
Good reference!
The movie was a yearly occurrence in my family growing up
Me too!
холодный и жесткий *grim face* *swelling choral music* Great scene!
I thought I was the only one that did this. :)
The Hunt for Red October is my favorite Tom Clancy novel, and in my top five of favorite novels ever. Learning about the true history and facts about it is amazing and I appreciate the book more now
red storm rising is the best
Another great book by Clancy is red stom rising
Without Remorse is my favorite.
Keanu Reeves was supposed to play the young Clark. But did Speed instead.
Does Ramius ever pop up in other TC novels?
Nope i think there are some references but i dont really remember him popping up as a character again.
Remember when The History Channel actually show documentaries about history? Good times...
That's history
I wish the history channel would still make shows about 'the history behind X or Y''. Very interesting and a good balance between history, education, and entertainment.
A long long time ago I can still remember when the history channel used to make me smile, I knew when I needed my history fix that channel was what I missed now all I see is pawn fking stars
Yup ,the history channel went to shit. I wish someone would bring it back the way it was. U Tube seems getting better all the time. Still to many crime drama movies though.
Now a days its just Pawn Stars....
Get your fix, then go watch porn stars
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Ah yes, back when History Channel was awesome...
What's wrong with documentaries on Ice Road Truckers and Lumberjacks? lolz
i agree my friend. when history channel was awesome. NOW it's a bunch of over dramatic shows that explore things that has never happened 'what if' scenarios. shits ridiculous now.
I know right!
what? You mean you don't like Ancient Aliens being discussed by a guy with a hair do looking like he got struck by lightening?
Now its only Hunting,Some Restoration,Trading all day long.No History in History Channel lol
When the "History Channel" actually produced actual history topics.
R.i.p. tom clancy great novels from a good novelist.
Agreed. Whoever writes the novels under Clancy's name isn't nearly as good. Amazon's Jack Ryan series is pretty good, but how Clancy's people ever let Admiral Greer's character be a Muslim is beyond me.
When did he died
And scary how some of his crazy scenarios (a plane flying into the Capital?) (bio virus spread to kill off people all over the world?) came true years later.
@@yes2day100 Clancy was likely in the club.
I was lucky enough to take a few of Professor Young's courses in college. Excellent teacher. Very knowledgeable, extremely engaging, and very fair.
The "HUNT" is one of Sean Connery's best works. Its a suspenseful film - that I can watch over and over.
I did as well , loved that movie.. but now I can't stand to watch anything with Baldwin involved so it's on my blacklist.
@@harryniedecken5321 get over it. It was his best work and go on.
@@frankbodenschatz173 Nope. I have great respect for Sean Connery but not going to let go of boycotting anything Baldwin was in. Maybe the studio can CGI in someone else.
I remember he was on late night talk show Leno? Fallon? I don't remember what I do remember is that he just got done w/ this movie, they showed about 4 min snipit of movie n the house just roared....
@@harryniedecken5321even pianos?
I can’t believe these guys thought this would work. Just amazing.
Maybe going to st. petersburg was just a red herring to get the guys to support him. His real intentions were to defect to Sweden. That how I would have done it. :))
Well if you look at it, had that one sailor not jumped overboard and swam to shore, and the communications actually reaching the disheartened Soviet people, maybe it would have worked. 🤷♂️
"Trust the fact that history will judge events honestly and you will never have to be embarrassed for what your father did. On no account ever be one of those people who criticise but do not follow through their actions. Such people are hypocrites-weak, people who do not have the power to reconcile their beliefs with their actions. I wish you courage, my dear. Be strong in the belief that life is wonderful. Be positive and believe that the Revolution will always win."
Valery Sablin's last letter to his son before his execution.
This is by far the best comment on the doc. Not anothers opinion but his words. I am no fan of the Soviet system but their is no denying this mans conviction for what he believed was right.
@@R0adsterr0land And Sablin wasn't a fan of the Soviet system either!
It’s an awesome letter but truth is recorded in history is only primary. Now it’s very dishonest
Hkd be on
@@hutch1819As a historian, I can vouch for the truth that history is indeed written by the victors. Too many times we have found evidence that directly contradicts the written history.
The Hunt For Red October has long been one of my favorite books and movies. I loved Clancy's vision of cold war maneuvers between Russia and the US. To find out that there is an actual event the mirrors so many of the events in the movie is completely crazy. I also kind of wonder if there isn't still more we don't know of, or maybe another event that wasn't ever publicized. When the book came out Clancy was supposedly interviewed by government agents to determine exactly what information he was privy to in writing the book which makes me wonder if they were nervous that he knew about something else not in the existing details of this event. I do prefer the ending of Clancy's version however, which may not have been as good for the USSR but were to me far less tragic than the real one.
I agree with you. I did not finish the book. I did not know about the book until the movie came out, and I wanted to read the novel before seeing the movie. We are usually left disappointed because the movie and the novel are completely at odds, and 9 out of 10 times the book is the better story. Of course there are times when the film is very different and much better. Jaws is a great example. The novel is good, but the movie is a masterpiece!! So, I guess I got impatient and put the book down and watched the movie. The movie is a juggernaut ! I put it up there with my favorites. And I have too many favorites!! lol, the list is very long. Cheers to ya!
I read the book after the movie, it was cool to actually envision a "real" face for the characters while reading the book. It works really well with Clancy books. In my vision A. Baldwin will always be the face of JR
@@heyitsvos Hah yah, I suppose it's a bit like Bond in that regard, right? The actor you saw first or in the movie that had the most influence with you becomes the "real" Bond. I agree though, Alec did a tremendous job in Hunt. Personally, I think of him as the "young" JR and Harrison Ford as the middle-aged college prof JR, although I also enjoyed Krasinski's portrayal as well.
@@persona2grata yeah exactly dude. Even though I read all the other books and watched all the movies after THFRO, everytime I read the book all the characters popped into my head with same actors from October
"Give me a ping Vasili, one ping only please."
RIP Sean, RIP Dead (Sean’s unknown Twin)
Completely forgotten he passed away. :( I haven't read the book, but the movie is one of my favorite " go-to" for watching, or going to sleep to. A Bridge of Spies is another. They both unfold as excellent "audio books" to fall asleep to.
Captain Marko Ramius is an American Treasure
What an amazing story! I watch hundreds of military shows, and this is one of the most interesting, and incredible stories of them all! I think about what kind of a man he was to have the guts to not only think up something like this, but to actually commence carrying it out! He must've had some intense personality to convince enough others to go along with his plan... the movie was great, but the real story is MUCH better! Thanks for posting this one...
Please read the REAL STORY. The name of the book is "Mutiny" and it is the true story of a mutiny on a Russian guided missile ship. The authors are David Hagberg & Boris Gindin. Tom Clancy came up with Red October after reading a Navy report about the real incident. FLY NAVY!!!
when history channel is about history
Was... ;)
In the movie _The Hunt for Red October_ (I have never read the book) Captain Ramius was an idealist, too. He hoped for new lives for his officers in the US, but his REASON for defecting was to deliver the Red October to the US. As he put it, there was only one reason for a nuclear missile submarine with such stealth technology, and that was as a first strike weapon. He felt it would totally destabilize the balance of power, and he intended to keep it equal.
BTW if you like true stories like this, read _The Red Orchestra_. It is the well researched story of the Soviet spy network in Europe during WW2. In those days "red" of course stood for the Soviets, and "orchestra" stood for a spy network. The Germans had an entire departmen of the gestapo dedicated to hunting them. That Soviet spy master was a truly ground breaking man that knew his craft. In fact he pioneered... no, I decided to remove those spoilers and let you read this very interesting, and at times gripping, story for yourselves. The book even has a surprise ending like any good spy thriller.
Sorry to dispute the scriptwriter, but there are better first-strike weapons than a somewhat more quiet boomer. The oldest one was to deliver a weapon from a cargo boat in Baltimore harbor, which I read in a short story in the early 1970s. Another scheme was suggested for the Soviet sub partially recovered by the Glomar Explorer, K-129. Supposedly, Mikael Suslov, the Party Ideologist in the Politburo arranged that there were special crew aboard it, and when retrieved seemed to have been sunk by a self-destruct system, in case of an attempt to fire the missiles without authority. The proposed idea was to launch an attack on the USA using a sub similar to those given to the PRC, so that the response would be on another Soviet enemy.
In American doctrine, sub launched missiles were citykillers at best, whereas first strike is planned for a decapitation or counterforce strike. Destroy most of the missiles in their siloes and they are harmless.
Actually the reason Ramus defected with the Red October was not to destabilize their balance of power as you put it but to make the Soviet Union pay for his wife’s death. In the book his wife had to go into surgery and the surgeon who was to perform a simple appendectomy was drunk and botch the operation which led his wife to start taking medications which only made Ramus’s wife die because the medications were not up to Western standards. Also Ramus saw how the Soviet Union had treated others and most of his officers also had grudges against Russia as well. So Ramus defected and gave the U.S. the Soviet Unions flag ship and all of her secrets to pay the price for the death of his wife,
I would strongly suggest that you read the book or see the movie or both….you will enjoy it!!😁
@@anthonylowder6687 A more typical best-selling-novel/Hollywood film narrative undoubtedly!
@@cleopatraoatcake7364 Actually, I found Red October to be a very well written work with above average characterizations. What set it apart, though, was its thorough technical knowledge and deep understanding of the various vessels and their crews.
People couldn't understand how Clancy knew so much. Cheers.
@@Egilhelmson The "deliver a weapon from a cargo ship" concept is so problematic, that when I was in the Navy on a submarine we actually ran a torpex against an old cargo ship to prove we could kill one in a single shot, just in case such a thing happened and we had very little time to deal with it. It was more a concern that terrorists might try such a thing rather than a nation state.
A true patriot. Today information is even more powerful. Kudos to whistleblowers in all nations. We need governments. Transparent governments. At heart most people in the world want the same things. Food, shelter, security, a decent job. All of us have more in common then we realize. It is by fear and obfuscation we are led astray.
I remember buying "Hunt For Red October" the first time l saw it in the bookstore so many years ago. Read the description on the jacket sleeve and though "who doesn't like a good submarine story?" And boy was it!
But this is the first I've ever heard of The Sentry and her story! Wow!
That's funny, i heard the ship name as "The Century".
Still have the book
I served in the Navy at the height of the cold war in 1975. Very interesting, thanks for sharing.
Sugarloaf Mountain Films May you give a proof of your service? Just to be sure.
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Nightbot Normally I wouldn't agree to such a stupid request as that. Who the hell are you? And why should I "give proof?"
1975 was NOT the height of the cold war; not by a long shot...
Watch The Hunt online heere => twitter.com/1b0020ce81cbd60bd/status/795842262378786816 The True Story The Hunt For Reeеed Octobеeеr
Russians don't take a dump, son, without a plan.
+cibriosis lol this made me laugh
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HaHa....I usually think that a few times a week when contemplating a Trip to The Throne....always good for a chuckle. Cheers
Ironically, this guy's plan was shit. Really, what did he expect to happen if he actually got to Leningrad? Probably the same thing that happened when he actually broadcast his tape to the people attacking him. Naive, to be sure.
Hunt for Red October came out while I was in the middle of training for Naval Nuclear Power.
That is so fookin amazing.......
Omg! Actual history! Warms my heart.
Red October was a fun movie to watch...Connery and Baldwin were quite good. This is an interesting documentary.
The good Ole days of the Soviet Era. Hunt for Red October and Firefox are two of my favorite movies.
Thank God Clint Eastwood could *think* in Russian.
Very intresting. Congratulations excellent production.
good movie!
What a great man he was/is.RIP Pappy
who the hell is "Pappy"?
What a super story. Thank you
Thanks for posting this video ! love these stories
Very well done. Thanks
"The hunt for Red October" is my favorite Sean Connery movie. I'm able to watch at least a few movies on my mobile fone. I wanted to see if I can watch it one day. I couldn't. Amongst a few various scenes from the move there was also this documentary. So I viewed the video. It's one of my favorite documentaries.
Back when the history channel had history on it🤓🇺🇸🎣
I miss this history channel. When they did good documentaries and not fluff about making knives and buying up eclectic junk.
Or space aliens building pyramids in Egypt.
Or speed freaks at pawn stores
Agreed. I canceled cable 10 years ago.
You and me both. My TV used to be on the History Channel 15 hours out of 24 daily. I finally dump them couple years or so ago when all they started showing was trash and Democrat propaganda garbage....Ah, the beginnings of the loss of the 1st amendment indeed !!!
I mostly watch stuff off internet coming out of Europe or Asia, those actually have far less propaganda imbedded in them than US networks ! And
yet they still call the US the "land of the free" --- you might want to take a closer look at just how "free" you are anymore !!! IF you want a real
definition of "freedom" go read the Patriot Act passed under Boy Bush and Renewed under Obama !!! Your eyes will really awaken once on read that !
I like the knives but some of the other stuff sucks🇺🇸🤓🎣
Love the James Bond "Golden eye" sound effects.
curiosity in the bit between 13:08 and 13:14 the ship you see is the HMS"Belfast"that is presently a museum ship docked near the London Bridge.
Amazing video!! Never new this really happened !! Thanks for sharing!!
That was one of the best movies ever, if u ask me!
Never gets old.
“I will marry a big round American woman” lol
I never get tired of this movie. Totally agree.
I would have liked to seen Montana.
Gcal1956...best part.....cooking rabbits!
"Actually, I think I will need two wives.".
James Rather
wish I could give that one more than one thumbs up.
We can’t have enough history. Young people have not learned much of our country’s past
You can read the true story, the name of the book is "Mutiny" and it is the story of the Russian Guided Missile cruiser Storozhevoy. The authors are David Hagberg & Boris Gindin. Tom Clancy read a Navy report about this story and came up with Red October from it. Interesting point is the ship was actually taken by the political officer, won't say anything else for those who want to read it.
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@@GeoJesse My name for him is now Putler. He is proof positive that you can take the person out of the KGB but you can't take the KGB out of the person. FLY NAVY!!!
@@USNveteran I was referring to the zampolit that was in the movie not Putler lol
@@USNveteran was Putler a zampolit in the KGB?
@@GeoJesse I know he was in the KGB but not sure if he was ever a political officer on a ship. FLY NAVY!!!
Wow, this was way better than the movie! They should make a MOVIE for "Mutiny". I've just got read that book now.
I really like this . great.
I' m eagerly waiting for History channel to entertain me, with similar episodes happening on the Western side, during the Cold War.
+wotan20 Except for a few spy stories, you probably are going to be disappointed. If you think about it, there was far more need to defect from the iron curtain to the west than vise versa. How many Berlin like wall were built by the west to keep people from leaving?
You'll be waiting a long time, unless you want to find out about some truckers or lumberjacks, History Channel has as much to do with History today as MTV does with playing music videos.
You mean the time NORAD's computer thought the moon was an incoming nuclear attack?
We do, every four years in the west a group of rabble rousers demands the government be overthrown and the leaders and cabin ate ministers have to win public support over the air waves and in newspapers or be replaced.
Kim Philby is probably the only real story in that direction.
It will still be my favourite movie of all time :)
a better story. I believe your format was better than a movie....
I never knew... And I am from Riga. i will have to look it up!
Apparently the cover up was very effective.
This was way better than the book!!
I can’t remember where I heard it but I had heard that there were some details in Clancy’s book that were published, but not really public knowledge, so both sides demanded to know where he got some of his info because they thought there had been a leak of some sort. Turns out he was just a really good researcher and found the right combination of materials and put all the pieces together himself
Much like Robert E. Heinlein suggesting using radioactive uranium dust to destroy enemy populations and create a Pax Americana. He was visited by the FBI just after Pearl Harbor, and interrogated for an afternoon before they decided that the Naval Academy graduate had just made good guesses from public info.
It was actually a marketing strategy. There were radio ads claiming Clancy had risked national security for a book and that he had been interviewed by US intelligence agencies.
Because of still-classified info he received concerning the USS Scorpion
So many comments about how much better the History Channel used to be; so little energy to give thumbs-ups.
I love the huge model of RMS Aquitania behind the Professor...it's beautiful.
I honestly wish this had been sucessful
You have to remember the history of St Petersburg and the marine naval base there. Two attempts to overthrow the royal goverment were instigated from there, one failed, one was very successful (panzercruizer Potjemkin), starting the revolution in Russia. So it is a place with a great symbolic significance, as any russian know from early schooldays. But the plan has a whole seemed naivë. Should not the coastal defense of St Petersburg open fire at a renegade ship approaching? Surely they would.
I'm Russian, but I totally agree with u. I love my country but it's been ran by selfish idiot's for way too many years. Peter The First was the last good ruler for Russians
They never want to be ...they just want to show the US , you never gonna win over is by military . That's all ...
@@alexruss2002 BS.
Its interesting because my dad who was a captain of a ship in the soviet navy told me he was discharged because a submarine was attempting to defect to America and he was ordered to sink it and refused, this was in the 80s
I believe that are several incidents similar that The Hunt For Redd October is an amalgamation of.
Amazing...Oh the wicked webs of intrigue we weave.
I moved out to Colorado Springs, Co in 1979 with my girlfriend and soon-to-be wife. She was a registered nurse working in the city hospital, while I was working in a factory plating Craftsmen tools. We were invited over to dinner by a coworker at the hospital. As my girlfriend was helping her friend, I began talking to her boyfriend who had just been discharged from the navy. The navy being of great interest to me made conversation easy and productive with this new civilian. My ex-brother-in-law some years before had been a lieutenant on a nuclear sub out of Holy Loch, Scotland, when he was dating my older sister and who I was living with at the time. I would pepper him with questions most of which he couldn't answer due to secrecy. However, he did relate instances of our ships and Soviet ships playing chicken as well as sneaking into protected areas to snatch photographs of sensitive military instillations. I laid these stories on this guy who then told me that 4 years before, some Russians had stolen a ship and were defecting but ended up being sunk/or caught. It was a fascinating story, and I had asked him where he had gotten his account. He told me that he had read about it in a military journal of some sort. Of course when The movie, "The Hunt for Red October, " came out, I made the connection between it and what I had been told. However, it was not until today that I heard the real account.
George Chapman ccv
This was absolutely fascinating! I never heard of this!
Great documentary! Love the Red October film & the original book by Tom Clancy.
Technically this was a barratry and not a mutiny, right? Anyway, at least in the fictional story it was a barratry.
To quote the book: " Mutiny is when the crew rebels against lawful authority. Gross misconduct of the officers is called barratry."
Thank you!
This is a better story than Red October. Should make this into a film. Although its unlikely to be made because it didn't feature any American involvement.
Swedish military have been "infiltrated" by US military/CIA ... as explained in this documentary with the presence of sophisticated listening devices. If Sweden was TRULY neutral/independant of the USA they would never have gotten the stuff, because they could have sold it to "the other side" or given its secrets away.
There have been several "submarine incidents" in swedish waters, which were ALL blamed on the Soviet Union, but which were - PARTLY - italian mini-subs instead. Swedish military KNEW about this, because the Soviet Union did NOT have such mini-subs and the waters in the areas was pretty shallow.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_submarine_incidents
The point of the exercise was to distance the "mid 1980s Sweden" from the Soviet Union, because the Swedish Premier at the time - Olof Palme, who got assassinated in 1986 - was trying to distance the country from the West to become truly neutral instead of "halfway west".
Those stories about the subs could easily be added to the movie, because it is unclear who the culprits were in many cases at the time. So it would be about spies and speculations instead of "action/drama on a military vessel".
This is more mind blowing then a nuclear sub joining the west, to imagine a russian revolution could have started from a second in comand and a battleship. Not to mention the fact that it could have sparked a world war three durring the cold war.
It's such a stupid plan that no one would believe it. Red October is more believable.
@@mikebronicki6978 What I don't get is what was he thinking not firing back. You want a revolution where your going to change Russia and you don't want your men firing on Russians? How the fuck are you going to accomplish this and why the fuck are you stealing a warship to not fight. Clearly he didn't understand how revolution works because I'm not aware of a revolution overthrowing an entire government without firing a shot.
Interesting. I thought since I read the book in the 1980s that it was inspired by the K-19 incident. I had gotten the story in a security briefing as a Navy nuclear engineer, and it seemed to fit.
Watching + learning from NSW Australia.
Thank you Raywollesen Fortes
for the upload 😉.
My pleasure mate!
One of the very best books I've ever read
Valeri Sablin is true hero.What he wanted is return to the ideals of October. I knew this story and I knew that book was based on this mutiny. But its large unknown among academics.
14:20 whats the name of that aircraft? I thought the first vertical take off jet was the F35
No. The Soviets developed the Yakovlev 38 or Yak-38, NATO code name Flogger
It was developed after the British AV8B Harrier and looks like it but has a much different method of operation.
I met a guy in Bulgaria.. he told me he had been involved in the theft of plans for concord. He also said that the west knew those plans were going to be stolen.. so the west changed the plans just enough so that the soviets did not think anything was amiss. The change was just enough to upset the balance of the aircraft if its basic design was copied -which it was. Then the west sat back and waited for the inevitable crash.. which happened at the Paris air show. He also told me that when he was teaching westerners to ski.. he was gifted a ski jacket.. one of his colleagues told on him as they were not allowed to accept gifts.. and he ended up in prison for a year. I met a woman in a bar there and her English was perfect. I asked why it was so good and she told me that her job had been transcribing technical documents stolen from the west into Russian. Bulgaria.. just after the wall came down.. very interesting place to be…
I always found the idea, that a Soviet U-Boot Captain defects to the West utterly ridiculous.
Now it makes sense.
No it does not, did u watch video at all??
@@SoulArtSound doesn't sound ridiculous to the uninitiated, but there is a wee bit of difference between defecting in a MiG and a warship.
@@spvillano He did not want to defect at all...
@@SoulArtSound he didn't, but Captain Ramius did. It was not unusual when The Hunt For Red October was released to have Soviet pilots defecting with their aircraft, hence, why he defected in the book.
But, few in the US even herd of a political officer at the time, pretty much none would even rent, let alone buy a plot line where a political officer defected or rebelled against the massive corruption within the Soviet Communist Party.
someone needs to do a documentary on why the History Channel committed suicide ... well, at least, assisted suicide.
@@TheBitterSarcasmOfMs.Anthropy Exactly. People don't want education, they want reality TV. Dumbing down.
money money money, mo-ney
Could it be aliens?!?!?
Yes i agree .
Yes complete dumbing down right up to white house
Great video.
Yah, but the mutiny was because he thought that the Soviet leaders were discarding communism aside. He wanted to restore true Leninist communism.
Then why did he defect to a capitalist nation?
wait u talking bout Ramius or the real guy?
@@STONKS0897 He didn't. Sablin didn't defect
Reminds me of the joke. "Have we achieved full communism?" "Oh, hell no. Things are gonna get a lot worse."
What?? The History channel used to show historical stuff???! What wonderful time this must've been!
And now the instigator of the Mutiny, Valery Sablin, is remember recently as the guy from the Hearts of Iron 4 mod, The New Order
Glad someone else knows this
Wholesome Sablin big chungus 100
glad I wasn't the only one lol. R.I.P. to sablin a real socialist
Should be a Hollywood movie! Even though Tom Clancy's version is out there
Alas you are all correct, the History Channel just sucks right now, but this Doc is excellent as all of the History Channel programming was then, and is better than the the Hollywood twist on the story, there are so many stories in history that are way more interesting than the same story portrayed in the movies, anyway an excellent Doc, I want to watch it again to pick up more info......keep on......and a happy and peaceful holiday season.........justasinger54
I still miss the old History Channel. ;o(
Too bad 'bout the History Channel. It used to b cool
Now it's only cool if your taste in hats stretches to the alfoil type...
Was cool but all propaganda. "tell the little child a Ghost story so it will,without regret gladly tuck under the blankets and go to sleep." To the Victors of War go's the right to wright the History Books. as the sheep sleep.
i would like to have seen montana
Just say "no" to stealing Russian frigates kids.
lol i still dont understand what his plan was...
@@Scorch428 he wanted to sail to a tiny island about 30 km of Leningrad to broadcast a radio message. He knew that the USSR was rotting and the rest of the military knew it too. Thus, he would tell the people who were also starting to understand it and they would start a second revolution. He wanted that because he believed that the USSR had moved too far of Lenin's and Stalin's ideas and was starting to become less and less socialist yet more and more corrupt, beurucratic and revisionist.
most of all: never, never trust a "Political Officer".
Why i used to watch history channel
The true patriot isn't the one that serves the ruler, but his own motherland.
What was all the "background" noise for? It was a gripping enough account without sounding like a Star Wars battle.
Long live Valery Sablin a man with real virtuosity....Rest in peace my dear fellow....and to hell with those who did evil to you...
What a bastard.
The same sort people betrayed their Sovereign and oath in 1917.
@@АлексАлексеев-ц2п It is not betrayal to cut off the hand that whips you.
thank you for posted this Document.......
I get nostalgic for the movie, but the real life story is even more interesting. Like they say, truth is often stranger (or more interesting) than fiction ;)
Awesome !
Very interesting story but I differ with Gregory young. THFRO is a real classic and well thought out. The actors did a fantastic job in each role. I love this movie.
However, the real story should be turned into a movie also.
HI
YES! By the Russians! Shalom to us only in Christ Yeshua.
Super interesting documentary excelent qualityt
I think The hunt of Red October is more based on another story. In 1961 a capitan of a ship called Smolnyj disobeyed orders to sail the ship to Tallinn and insted sailed to Gotland. Then he was granted assylum in USA, while ship was returned to the USSR. Capitan's name was Jonas Pleškys whose nationality was lithuanian and in the movie they also mention that. Although it is only my opinion :)
Gotta luv and respect such men of courage and sacrifice,regardless of race or faith..
Oh yeah and Tom Clancy lived not far from NAS Patuxent River MD...that Czech boat could be seen on the way to his house...Clancy had a lot of Naval Aviators as friends
Enjoyed it, thanks.
I think the reason for making Ramius a defector, is because the film was made for a western audience... And a "soviet" defecting to the West for reason of a "better life" perfectly fits.. Who would be interested in a "patriotic" soviet, that wants to preserve a shunned system,
that is not stuff for a western audience... Not even for a "soviet" audience... Well the truth is something most did not like to hear, if it does not fit into their way of thinking...
it's kewl how a British narrator makes it all sound so much smarter.
Damn, how have I never heard of this story before? Amazing.
Required reading in some circles.
Did you not suspect the novel had a basis in reality?
These old History Channel docs are great
In many states of our country, it is considered heretical to view our history, discuss it in depth from a variety of angles and possibly learn from that analysis. The denial of the past is a step towards the fall of a culture.
Today on The History Channel: Ancient Aliens, Foods That Built America, The Curse of Oak Island, Some Assembly Required, and of course The Unexplained.
All hail Sablin. Has my respect till I die
@Jimmy Rustling I grew up watching Hollywood propaganda movies about Russia, in my mind it created a ruthless and and rogue Russia, until I started to study history and politics. A country that was invaded two times in 4 decades. I'm just glad now that Russia did not inherit the USSR's carelessness.
Love this program
A noble cause but poor planning.
Sadly it tends to be the scumbags and sociopaths who plan things out the longest, since they are always in a mindset of scheming and manipulating, always in a mindset of covering their own asses, etc...
What is that music at 00:35?