Man... I started with a Leap, then over the years I either bought or tried all major chairs from HM, Haworth and Steelcase. I came back to the Leap realizing I had the true unicorn chair all along. The only one that comes slightly close to the Leap's lumbar support is the HM Mirra 2 imo.
I have never tried that particular HM chair. I like the live back technology and for my height and size the actual lumbar support isn’t even necessary. I removed it, day one lol. Thanks for the feedback
@@lukebrutal78 100%! Nothing beats that live back. I can say that the Mirra 2 isn’t quite as aggressive in the lumbar but has a back that suits taller people with broad shoulders. Saw a 6’ 3” guy say it’s been his daily driver for 3 years. For me it’s basically my “summer Leap”
Could also try the Lamia from BTOD, it's a combination of a refurbished Steelcase Leap v2 back and frame with a refurbished Steelcase Amia seat cushion; only available from them and in very low quantities. I was looking for a Steelcase Leap v2 with headrest; used one on leather for work but when I moved remotely the company kept it. Been using Gesture with headrest until the Lamia showed up at my doorstep. Because it's from refurbished parts, it is cheaper than either of their original chairs. Been enjoying watching your videos. I'm 310-330 lb 5'10" so I couldn't find as many choices
I am aware of the lamia. I thought about it. Crandall office furniture does a thicker cushion on leap refurbished chairs too. It’s hard for big guys to find chair info. I really appreciate your support. Thank you!
I appreciate that info. I failed to include it in my research. I have noticed that if I get too wide, this chair may be a bit tight. I have a 42 inch waist line. At 44, or 46 it may prove uncomfortable. Thank you for bringing that up!
I must be the oddball. The Leap gets so much praise. I have watched hours of reviews and finally ordered one from Crandall. It doesn't have the head rest. But I hate this thing. The seat is too short and causes hamstring soreness. The backrest is too short and causes major neck pain/fatigue. Maybe the head rest would help with that. But I just don't like how the chair forces me somewhat forward with such a short seat base (at full extension). I am about 6'1 and 225 pounds. I use this chair at my gaming desk. But I like to lean and lounge in it too as it is my main chair for leisure. I watch TV and play PS5/computer games in this chair. And I just can not make myself like it. I am seriously considering the Fern/Embody because the seat base seems big enough to allow me to change positions. I would also grab an Atlas after market head rest. We shall see. Thanks for the review
I am about the same size. I don't have the hamstring issue or any numbness. I also use the Cushion Lab footrest. It makes me super comfortable. I spent 10 hours in it today, no issues. I did like the Fern's size but the quality ruined it for me. Did you check out my Fern review?
Glad to hear it. I really enjoy mine every day! That's a good price for current market. I really feel like it should be a$700 chair. But I am glad I kept it.
@lukebrutal78 Yes, I think so, too. But there really is no alternative to it at any price point atm. The headrest does leave something to be desired, but I made some makeshift cushions using rolled towels to make it work for my height, and now it feels excellent. Every other chair has either something or the other, which is amiss. The leap really is the only one that gets the closest at what it does. And my back couldn't be happier. I'll keep mine for years to come!
I guess if your gaming and you're sitting in the chair for many hours on end, spending that much money makes sense. I just have a hard time justifying spending more than $300 or so on a chair. But with that being said, I do spend that money every other year so I probably should buy a really nice chair.
I'm glad this video could inspire and motivate you to try new things and invest in a quality chair. If you need help deciding, I would be happy to help!
@@charlesnoah99 I feel like my comfort has more value than $20. Plus I’m not a fan of sitting on someone else’s fart cushion. Not everyone has a grand for a chair, but even a couple hundred bucks is definitely worth it
I was scouring the internet for used chairs, the leap v2 all were under the 300 threshold. But luckily landed on one for 50. Spent another 100 on staple gun and staples, took apart the lumbar tension knob and put it back together right. Works like new for 150, and it's pretty easy to fix.
@@ex8280that’s an incredible value. My wife does not allow used furniture in the house. But I’m glad you got a great chair for a cheap price! Is it solid? Does it make noise? Is the gas cylinder function? What color is it?
The fabric is holding up really well. no pilling or worn down areas. It's pretty resilient. No noticeable color fading and still soft! Great question. Thank you for watching.
I have reached out to Steelcase. I have an open ticket, but it has been over a week and I have not heard back. It’s only on full recline, I use mine one notch before full. I appreciate the feedback, are you a Leap owner? If not, what chair do you have or want?
Been daily riding a HM Aeron for 10 years and seriously looking at the Leap V2 for my next chair. Looks like a great option. Crandall has them for $600 or so , refurbished -- so I'm leaning that direction unless I find a better deal or a new one with a significant discount.
I like Crandall. I wish they had Leap V2 with headrest though. I like the additional padding they offer for the seat. When mine wears down I am going to replacer it with theirs, if I still have the chair! Aeron was a bit too plasticy for my liking.
Looking at picking up the Leap during the 11.11 sales this week - Going to test drive all Steelcase chairs on Wednesday ... Currently have the Secretlabs new chair but it's lumbar support is shocking to say the least
That is awesome, I wish I had access to a Steelcase showroom. I was able to got to a Herman Miller store last year about 2 hours north of my home. Try out the Karman, if you have the Neue chair, you may like it. No headrest though. I really like my Leap. What color are you going to get? You like it with headrest? Let me know what you think!
It does not lock in recline. I failed to confirm that. The tension is also adjustable and it really feels smooth. Sometimes I do wish it sat more upright for when I’m gaming intensely. I find myself hunched forward often. But no chair is built for sweaty lurching FPS gamers! 😂
I can see why people say that. I don’t have an issue with it. The only part I do not like is when my wife comes in and leans on it and it just goes straight down!
If you ever get the itch to try another, the HM Embody Gaming with an aftermarket Atlas Headrest is the Leap's maternal twin when it comes to finding that unicorn. I've been a solid fan of the Leap through every generation and although I definitely miss the arm rests, the full back support and completely adjustable Atlas Headrest put the Embody just a smidge higher in the S-tier bracket for my gaming setup. It's unfortunate HM doesn't listen to the feedback and add an option for the headrest in-house.
Oh I still have the itch! The hardest part of committing to an expensive chair like this is knowing you aren’t going to get another. I really want to get an Embody Logitech G, even as a trial, but adding the headrest is more of a permanent addition. Please subscribe and like so I can grow my channel (and income) to continue reviewing these chairs. I appreciate your insight!
@@lukebrutal78 Entirely feel ya on gambling at that price point. And to complicate things more, Atlas is still a few months out from catching up on the massive amount of preorders they're fulfilling. On the flip side, if you did manage to score a headrest to give the Embody combo a try and it wasn't for you, you'd probably come out ahead reselling the headrest being that anyone who's gotten the early orders is holding on to them for dear life. Without that addition though, I'd be 100% sticking with the Leap!
@@Xantraun It's really nice to know somebody has had the same chair experiences and thought process behind it as I have. Like a good bed, people take a great chair for granted. Especially if it's your main hobby or job.
@@lukebrutal78 Precisely! And if you tally up all the hours of use you eventually get out of it with how long quality chairs last, that "cost" is actually an investment that pays dividends in overall comfort and health. I've had my fair share of back and shoulder issues and one MRI will easily pay for three of these.
@lukebrutal78 Definitely try out the embody if you have the itch but I returned mine after the 1 month trial. So it's not for everyone. The seat was really uncomfortable for me and set my left glute on fire and sciatica down my leg with less than an hr of sitting. Hoped it would break in but after a month I couldn't keep a chair at that price point that caused me issues with less than an hr sitting. I just ordered the haworth fern to try. If that doesn't work then the crandall leap is next
For anyone that doesn't own one yet. The leap v2 required you to buy some seat padding or your butt will be super numb as a result if the very poor sliding seat design that doesn't allow recline cant tilting.
As someone who has sat in many a chair, and this particular one for almost a year now, I would have to disagree. I have no extra padding and I do not experience "numbing" at all. I have marathon game sessions, 10,12,14 hours some days. I get up every hour or so like a human should. Hell, I don't even use the lumbar support! I do use a footrest from a third party. I was on a work sabbatical for the las t couple weeks and I was in this chair 8-10 hours daily for those 2 weeks straight. I am also 6'1 and back up to 260 pounds, so I feel a qualified judge on such matters. Overall though, this chair has been awesome. I bought mine, it's an over priced honest unpaid testimonial. I do appreciate your feedback though, how long have you been in your Leap v2? Perhaps I am prematurely pleased.
@@lukebrutal78 maybe 2 or 3 years. I can get rid of the butt and thigh numbing by sitting criss cross every 30 minutes abd rotating out right and left leg
How is the seat on this compared to the Fern? Currently at the end of my trial period with the Fern and I really like everything about it other than the seat feeling like it bottoms out after about 3-4 hours of being in it.
I would say the seat is stiffer on the Leap, but I’m not uncomfortable. I have 8 hour plus days without issues. The Fern is a close second. I would do another one, I really liked the recline, but it felt cheap as you can see in my Fern review. Great question!
I saw your fern clip and this one looks like a much better chair for you.
Man... I started with a Leap, then over the years I either bought or tried all major chairs from HM, Haworth and Steelcase. I came back to the Leap realizing I had the true unicorn chair all along. The only one that comes slightly close to the Leap's lumbar support is the HM Mirra 2 imo.
I have never tried that particular HM chair. I like the live back technology and for my height and size the actual lumbar support isn’t even necessary. I removed it, day one lol. Thanks for the feedback
@@lukebrutal78 100%! Nothing beats that live back. I can say that the Mirra 2 isn’t quite as aggressive in the lumbar but has a back that suits taller people with broad shoulders. Saw a 6’ 3” guy say it’s been his daily driver for 3 years. For me it’s basically my “summer Leap”
Could also try the Lamia from BTOD, it's a combination of a refurbished Steelcase Leap v2 back and frame with a refurbished Steelcase Amia seat cushion; only available from them and in very low quantities. I was looking for a Steelcase Leap v2 with headrest; used one on leather for work but when I moved remotely the company kept it. Been using Gesture with headrest until the Lamia showed up at my doorstep. Because it's from refurbished parts, it is cheaper than either of their original chairs.
Been enjoying watching your videos. I'm 310-330 lb 5'10" so I couldn't find as many choices
I am aware of the lamia. I thought about it. Crandall office furniture does a thicker cushion on leap refurbished chairs too. It’s hard for big guys to find chair info. I really appreciate your support. Thank you!
It's rated at 400 pounds, not 450 pounds. There's a chair called the Leap plus which is wider for quite large people and that accommodates 500 pounds.
I appreciate that info. I failed to include it in my research. I have noticed that if I get too wide, this chair may be a bit tight. I have a 42 inch waist line. At 44, or 46 it may prove uncomfortable. Thank you for bringing that up!
I must be the oddball. The Leap gets so much praise. I have watched hours of reviews and finally ordered one from Crandall. It doesn't have the head rest. But I hate this thing. The seat is too short and causes hamstring soreness. The backrest is too short and causes major neck pain/fatigue. Maybe the head rest would help with that. But I just don't like how the chair forces me somewhat forward with such a short seat base (at full extension). I am about 6'1 and 225 pounds. I use this chair at my gaming desk. But I like to lean and lounge in it too as it is my main chair for leisure. I watch TV and play PS5/computer games in this chair. And I just can not make myself like it. I am seriously considering the Fern/Embody because the seat base seems big enough to allow me to change positions. I would also grab an Atlas after market head rest. We shall see.
Thanks for the review
I am about the same size. I don't have the hamstring issue or any numbness. I also use the Cushion Lab footrest. It makes me super comfortable. I spent 10 hours in it today, no issues. I did like the Fern's size but the quality ruined it for me. Did you check out my Fern review?
The fern is worse TRUST MEEEEE
Got a fully decked out Leap with the headrest from Steelcase directly for 900 USD during the sale last month. Am loving it.
Glad to hear it. I really enjoy mine every day! That's a good price for current market. I really feel like it should be a$700 chair. But I am glad I kept it.
@lukebrutal78 Yes, I think so, too. But there really is no alternative to it at any price point atm. The headrest does leave something to be desired, but I made some makeshift cushions using rolled towels to make it work for my height, and now it feels excellent. Every other chair has either something or the other, which is amiss. The leap really is the only one that gets the closest at what it does. And my back couldn't be happier. I'll keep mine for years to come!
here in europe where i m from it seals for 1.324 usd right now
@@popcopone5172 This month, they came up with a MAYMADNESS24 coupon scheme which makes it available here for ~800.
I guess if your gaming and you're sitting in the chair for many hours on end, spending that much money makes sense.
I just have a hard time justifying spending more than $300 or so on a chair.
But with that being said, I do spend that money every other year so I probably should buy a really nice chair.
I'm glad this video could inspire and motivate you to try new things and invest in a quality chair. If you need help deciding, I would be happy to help!
Try to find a used one! I got one for $20 yesterday
@@charlesnoah99 I feel like my comfort has more value than $20. Plus I’m not a fan of sitting on someone else’s fart cushion. Not everyone has a grand for a chair, but even a couple hundred bucks is definitely worth it
I was scouring the internet for used chairs, the leap v2 all were under the 300 threshold. But luckily landed on one for 50. Spent another 100 on staple gun and staples, took apart the lumbar tension knob and put it back together right. Works like new for 150, and it's pretty easy to fix.
@@ex8280that’s an incredible value. My wife does not allow used furniture in the house. But I’m glad you got a great chair for a cheap price! Is it solid? Does it make noise? Is the gas cylinder function? What color is it?
How do you find the billiard multi holding up? Any pilling?
The fabric is holding up really well. no pilling or worn down areas. It's pretty resilient. No noticeable color fading and still soft! Great question. Thank you for watching.
@9：30 that clanking you are hearing is the spring, should contact steelcase about it
I have reached out to Steelcase. I have an open ticket, but it has been over a week and I have not heard back. It’s only on full recline, I use mine one notch before full. I appreciate the feedback, are you a Leap owner? If not, what chair do you have or want?
Did you keep this?
Yes, I kept it. I really like this chair for gaming and watching tv.
@@lukebrutal78 Nice I am on the Fern now, HATE IT. Leap next.
Been daily riding a HM Aeron for 10 years and seriously looking at the Leap V2 for my next chair. Looks like a great option. Crandall has them for $600 or so , refurbished -- so I'm leaning that direction unless I find a better deal or a new one with a significant discount.
I like Crandall. I wish they had Leap V2 with headrest though. I like the additional padding they offer for the seat. When mine wears down I am going to replacer it with theirs, if I still have the chair! Aeron was a bit too plasticy for my liking.
Get the leap highback if you're spending that much. Superior padding to leap v2
@@jason200912Crandall's leap v2 has the option to get the thicker back pad like the highback
How tall are you
6 Foot 1 Inch.
Looking at picking up the Leap during the 11.11 sales this week - Going to test drive all Steelcase chairs on Wednesday ... Currently have the Secretlabs new chair but it's lumbar support is shocking to say the least
That is awesome, I wish I had access to a Steelcase showroom. I was able to got to a Herman Miller store last year about 2 hours north of my home. Try out the Karman, if you have the Neue chair, you may like it. No headrest though. I really like my Leap. What color are you going to get? You like it with headrest? Let me know what you think!
@@lukebrutal78 going to be honest I impulse bought the Herman Miller Embody and am picking it up tomorrow haha
@@ThisIsNotJP let me know if you like it without a headrest. That’s the only thing I don’t like about it. Is it the Logitech G version?
How is it if you just want to lean back. My cheap Staples chair will lock in place. On the Leap, does is just stay reclined from your weight?
There are six settings to recline. It also has some tension. It’s great for tasking or lounging.
It does not lock in recline. I failed to confirm that. The tension is also adjustable and it really feels smooth. Sometimes I do wish it sat more upright for when I’m gaming intensely. I find myself hunched forward often. But no chair is built for sweaty lurching FPS gamers! 😂
@@lukebrutal78 haha, ok thanks!
the Chair is wonderfull but the headrest is the most SH?!#T ever
I can see why people say that. I don’t have an issue with it. The only part I do not like is when my wife comes in and leans on it and it just goes straight down!
If you ever get the itch to try another, the HM Embody Gaming with an aftermarket Atlas Headrest is the Leap's maternal twin when it comes to finding that unicorn. I've been a solid fan of the Leap through every generation and although I definitely miss the arm rests, the full back support and completely adjustable Atlas Headrest put the Embody just a smidge higher in the S-tier bracket for my gaming setup. It's unfortunate HM doesn't listen to the feedback and add an option for the headrest in-house.
Oh I still have the itch! The hardest part of committing to an expensive chair like this is knowing you aren’t going to get another. I really want to get an Embody Logitech G, even as a trial, but adding the headrest is more of a permanent addition. Please subscribe and like so I can grow my channel (and income) to continue reviewing these chairs. I appreciate your insight!
@@lukebrutal78 Entirely feel ya on gambling at that price point. And to complicate things more, Atlas is still a few months out from catching up on the massive amount of preorders they're fulfilling. On the flip side, if you did manage to score a headrest to give the Embody combo a try and it wasn't for you, you'd probably come out ahead reselling the headrest being that anyone who's gotten the early orders is holding on to them for dear life. Without that addition though, I'd be 100% sticking with the Leap!
@@Xantraun It's really nice to know somebody has had the same chair experiences and thought process behind it as I have. Like a good bed, people take a great chair for granted. Especially if it's your main hobby or job.
@@lukebrutal78 Precisely! And if you tally up all the hours of use you eventually get out of it with how long quality chairs last, that "cost" is actually an investment that pays dividends in overall comfort and health. I've had my fair share of back and shoulder issues and one MRI will easily pay for three of these.
@lukebrutal78 Definitely try out the embody if you have the itch but I returned mine after the 1 month trial. So it's not for everyone. The seat was really uncomfortable for me and set my left glute on fire and sciatica down my leg with less than an hr of sitting. Hoped it would break in but after a month I couldn't keep a chair at that price point that caused me issues with less than an hr sitting. I just ordered the haworth fern to try. If that doesn't work then the crandall leap is next
For anyone that doesn't own one yet. The leap v2 required you to buy some seat padding or your butt will be super numb as a result if the very poor sliding seat design that doesn't allow recline cant tilting.
As someone who has sat in many a chair, and this particular one for almost a year now, I would have to disagree. I have no extra padding and I do not experience "numbing" at all. I have marathon game sessions, 10,12,14 hours some days. I get up every hour or so like a human should. Hell, I don't even use the lumbar support! I do use a footrest from a third party. I was on a work sabbatical for the las t couple weeks and I was in this chair 8-10 hours daily for those 2 weeks straight. I am also 6'1 and back up to 260 pounds, so I feel a qualified judge on such matters. Overall though, this chair has been awesome. I bought mine, it's an over priced honest unpaid testimonial. I do appreciate your feedback though, how long have you been in your Leap v2? Perhaps I am prematurely pleased.
@@lukebrutal78 maybe 2 or 3 years. I can get rid of the butt and thigh numbing by sitting criss cross every 30 minutes abd rotating out right and left leg
Good to hear that the cons are mainly just picky cons.
Yeah, I am a bit picky. Especially armrests and recline noises. What chair do you have?
👀👀👀 I may need to try this out.
How is the seat on this compared to the Fern? Currently at the end of my trial period with the Fern and I really like everything about it other than the seat feeling like it bottoms out after about 3-4 hours of being in it.
I would say the seat is stiffer on the Leap, but I’m not uncomfortable. I have 8 hour plus days without issues. The Fern is a close second. I would do another one, I really liked the recline, but it felt cheap as you can see in my Fern review. Great question!