The track is red, I’m a truck driver and seen a piece of the track on a flatbed truck yesterday heading to bush gardens. I talked to the driver at a truck stop and when he told me it was going to bush gardens I got excited. To know it’s for big bad wolf revenge got me ready for opening day now. I am a membership holder with bush gardens as well.
Screw you Busch Gardens! How dare you use a B&M Family Suspended coaster, instead of using the Concept S&S Axis Coaster! ua-cam.com/video/GWO7AYCRaxE/v-deo.htmlsi=0aOy9MTV8TRFZtI- Using all the elements of these three layouts. (Layout 1) ua-cam.com/video/CtuwGEl28ZQ/v-deo.html (Layout 2) ua-cam.com/video/aU1eQLPcc8c/v-deo.htmlsi=kMKd--rwR7pv03kZ (Layout 3) ua-cam.com/video/X1m3_h7F6-U/v-deo.html
We'll see how much Bavarian village actually comes back.... This looks fun, but I'm slightly disappointed that the Festhaus neck of the park will house three family coasters. The spirit of Drachen Fire needs a biggie back there.
The original had 2 trains. I don't see why this wouldn't. I'm about to look up comparisons between the original and the new one. I really thought that Busch Gardens, having a vote to name the new ride was a ridiculous idea or a blatant attempt at a money grab. The whole background story for the "new" ride is literally a few words different than the original ride's that you heard standing in line. Does anyone remember that a few months ago when they had the ride naming vote/contest, that the Big Bad Wolf wasn't even an option? The choices were turned into a sequel chapter title once people were like Wtf?
Agree, I Like keeping Big Bad Wolf in the title instead of German iterations. Although I see they're want to keep the theming with the 2 of the other coasters.
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@@VECTOR_Coasters I was just about to say the exact same thing! Wouldn’t you love to see the trains going through a mock Bavarian Village like what we had on the BBW? I know I would!
Well they have the official short little video on their page but this one and a few other of the 3-D animation of potential track layout is all fan made!!
Idk, this looks great to me, and I'm a 40 year BGW rider. I see the quotes of the original, it doesn't look weak, BBW wasn't fast but it was nimble, and this seems pretty agile. Imagine it at night, trees bordering the site, real landscaping... and I don't need every ride to rip my face off, they just did Pantheon which is pretty wild. I can appreciate coasters for other reasons, plus my daughter might want to go on it with me for once 😅
Nostalgia... that's why! They only got rid of BBW due to lack of parts for maintenance and the cost of said maintenance. Now, I agree with you. They need more variety. I think BGW is losing business to Kings Dominion for this reason. What they should've done is had the original BBW redesigned as to not lose its epic, signature drop over the water. Then, moved on to have more variety. While this looks well designed, they'll have to theme the hell out of this for it to be successful for nostalgic sakes!
I agree! I was so pissed off when I saw that it was a family ride. They should have prepped for two coasters instead of one of they were doing the family thing. I suffered through waiting for my kids to be tall enough to ride the big coasters (Apollos Chariot thank you ❤). We need to be more competitive with the other theme parks. If KD had a coaster going 95 mph, we need to match that, and match height. Since they want to remake stuff, bring back Drachenfire…make it 325 feet high, track length 5280 feet in length, with a speed of 85 mph. Twists, inversions, dives, high speed turns, and multi launches mimicking a dragon’s movement. It should be smooth like Apollo’s Chariot, and include a rollback like Pantheon. Watch how many folks from MD, TN, NC, and WV flock over here for it!
Greetings! May I use this footage (along with your Wiener Looping rendering) in a video I'm making about 2025 roller coasters? I will give your channel full credit.
I literally drop my phone when I saw this I was like omggggggg ..this is everything...if the end up doing the scenery like big bad wolf..this will be epiccccc.. period 💯💯🎤🔥🔥😍😍😍
They need a coaster with an entrance by pompeii towards the front of the park...something that interacts with lochness and the river, flowing through the trees. The germany area has so much going on already and this won't be the same without the last drop down to the water like the original.
This is a great recreation, I enjoy your NL2 recreations and you have a great sense of how roller coasters are made, can we do a collaboration on something? Have a great day man
@@jasonkloos6348 That type of train is already on alpengeist and literally hundreds of coasters around the world. Arrow suspended coasters are (sadly) a dying breed and far better suited for family coasters.
@@AC1097-eb2ss literally said they are better. Been doing this for almost 50 years.I even became an engineer because of roller coasters, especially because of Arrows rides in the 80s that nobody else was doing at the time. I got to meet both Ron Toomer as well as Claude and Walter in the early 90s when Cedar Points "Coastermania" was only drawing around 100 people. That's when ERT was actually ERT. So yeah, I've been around awhile.
I love my home park, but this is a no for me. I'm glad I got to enjoy Big Bad Wolf growing up and seeing how the park has evolved, but I was hoping for something else.
I'm glad they are bringing another coaster to BGW but I never loved the second lift hill on the original TBBW and I know I'm still not going to like the 2nd lift hill on this new ride. The second lift hill breaks the experience for me for the ride. I hope they do something visually with the second half of the ride since it will not feature the iconic drop by the river like the original ride.
They should've hired a translator lol. "Wölf" makes zero sense grammatically since there's no Ö in the word Wolf (singular), only in Wölfe (plural). The correct names would be Geisterwolf, Wolfssturm, and Wolfs Reign. Except, I suppose, if they somehow decided to use Wölf as a proper name... which it isn't, and it still wouldn't make sense :D
Are you really going to go after amusement parks and judge the roller coaster names they choose? Like seriously, give us a break! We don’t care about the grammar used for the names here and I’m sure Busch Gardens has a valid reason why they came up with them and therefore no translator is needed. This is absolutely ridiculous because one else is being so judgy about this except you
The reason is that it sounds/reads more german for someone not knowing german and yes, these names are quite stupid. But it's not the first stupid name there.
@@Rohrbach00Calm down. It's just a really weird choice and even though I know that most people who visit don't know German, as a German it does sound really dumb.
Is this the actual animation?? If so, wow.. serious let down.. and what a waste of the biggest space they had left. This could’ve/should’ve been a lot more thought out.. yes, Verbolten was a nod to big bad wolf but the thing that stood out the most was that second drop toward the rhine River.. for them to not do a thing to make that second drop any more thrilling or even appealing is a total let down..
Yes, sure the land could’ve housed a much bigger coaster like an RMC, but if they can do great theming & landscaping on this ride (which sounds like they will) and get the word out, this might actually work very well! I really hope there’s onboard audio. Plus all these family coaster attempts this park does don’t…usually…work in terms of thrill level (Verbolten) so maybe they’ve figured it out
anothwe family coaster....i thinks its time we pt a stop to this....next park to get a family coaster everyone needs to ignore it and stop going...enough is enough...
Who are you to say we need to put a stop to family rides and boycott parks that choose to build them going forward? I mean seriously, Amusement Parks are meant for everyone, not just coaster enthusiasts
@@Rohrbach00 no different then you that wants them to keep building them...just money grab for the park from the parents...idc either way i wont be going to busch. kings dominion cedar point kings island babyyyy
Sometimes it's disappointing to see a family coaster but alot of these smaller coasters are still fun and pack a surprising punch. Also they practically just installed Pantheon so let em build a less intense ride.
Can't replicate the final Big Bad Wolf drop though as Verbolten owns that now.
The track is red, I’m a truck driver and seen a piece of the track on a flatbed truck yesterday heading to bush gardens. I talked to the driver at a truck stop and when he told me it was going to bush gardens I got excited. To know it’s for big bad wolf revenge got me ready for opening day now. I am a membership holder with bush gardens as well.
They better go ALL OUT for theming on this one especially since they can't use the epic over the water drop!
I LOVE that B&M is now making family inverts. Watching the young ones enjoy these type of coasters is such a treat!
GeisterWölf is the coolest name imo
Screw you Busch Gardens! How dare you use a B&M Family Suspended coaster, instead of using the Concept S&S Axis Coaster!
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Using all the elements of these three layouts.
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We'll see how much Bavarian village actually comes back....
This looks fun, but I'm slightly disappointed that the Festhaus neck of the park will house three family coasters. The spirit of Drachen Fire needs a biggie back there.
Can't wait to take my kids on this!
I swear if they run this with one train
They should have 2, I expect them to use both.
Each lift functions as a block, so they *could* run up to three trains. They probably won't though...
Remember this is sea world we’re talking about
The original had 2 trains. I don't see why this wouldn't. I'm about to look up comparisons between the original and the new one. I really thought that Busch Gardens, having a vote to name the new ride was a ridiculous idea or a blatant attempt at a money grab. The whole background story for the "new" ride is literally a few words different than the original ride's that you heard standing in line. Does anyone remember that a few months ago when they had the ride naming vote/contest, that the Big Bad Wolf wasn't even an option? The choices were turned into a sequel chapter title once people were like Wtf?
@@tjwoolf22I’m talking about Phoenix riseing
This looks like a nice family coaster! From the promo, it should have some nice scenery too!
It should’ve been the “Return of Big Bad Wolf” 🐺🐺🐺
Agree, I Like keeping Big Bad Wolf in the title instead of German iterations. Although I see they're want to keep the theming with the 2 of the other coasters.
How about "Big Bad Wolf Rises"
Screw you Busch Gardens! How dare you use a B&M Family Suspended coaster, instead of using the Concept S&S Axis Coaster!
ua-cam.com/video/GWO7AYCRaxE/v-deo.htmlsi=0aOy9MTV8TRFZtI-
Using all the elements of these three layouts.
(Layout 1) ua-cam.com/video/CtuwGEl28ZQ/v-deo.html
(Layout 2) ua-cam.com/video/aU1eQLPcc8c/v-deo.htmlsi=kMKd--rwR7pv03kZ
(Layout 3) ua-cam.com/video/X1m3_h7F6-U/v-deo.html
the pacing looks very good just like phoenix rising. i hope it actually gets theming
Dad-gum better have some great theming, queue line and on-ride.
rare vector sighting
@@VECTOR_Coasters I was just about to say the exact same thing! Wouldn’t you love to see the trains going through a mock Bavarian Village like what we had on the BBW? I know I would!
Busch Gardens Tampa Bay has too many bird names. They should've went with Pantheon "God of Egypt Mythology" for the coaster name instead of a Phoenix
@@themeparkreconnoiter9787 The problem is, Busch Gardens Tampa isn’t country themed like Busch Gardens Williamsburg is
I’ll be surprised if the track and supports are both red. The park probably just went with the cheapest animation they could get
I'd rather it not be, but I'm just going off the official animation here.
If they went with the cheapest, they'd have gone No Limits. The color of the supports doesn't change the price.
exactly, it's not that hard just to change the color setting of the material in any modeling and rendering software.
@@ma9cwdym swiping the mouse across the screen and clicking 2 options to change the colour costs at minimum 20k
Well they have the official short little video on their page but this one and a few other of the 3-D animation of potential track layout is all fan made!!
So when they remaking dracken fire?
Idk, this looks great to me, and I'm a 40 year BGW rider. I see the quotes of the original, it doesn't look weak, BBW wasn't fast but it was nimble, and this seems pretty agile. Imagine it at night, trees bordering the site, real landscaping... and I don't need every ride to rip my face off, they just did Pantheon which is pretty wild. I can appreciate coasters for other reasons, plus my daughter might want to go on it with me for once 😅
They have enough family coasters😫 a Mack xtreme spinner would fit perfectly in bgw
@@Coaster_cow A little extra family can’t hurt, can it?? I mean look at BGW’s coaster line up, plenty of high level thrill coasters!
@@Rohrbach00 I know but consider the fact that they already have an inverted coaster, and they have 4 family coasters
Nostalgia... that's why! They only got rid of BBW due to lack of parts for maintenance and the cost of said maintenance. Now, I agree with you. They need more variety. I think BGW is losing business to Kings Dominion for this reason. What they should've done is had the original BBW redesigned as to not lose its epic, signature drop over the water. Then, moved on to have more variety. While this looks well designed, they'll have to theme the hell out of this for it to be successful for nostalgic sakes!
I agree! I was so pissed off when I saw that it was a family ride. They should have prepped for two coasters instead of one of they were doing the family thing. I suffered through waiting for my kids to be tall enough to ride the big coasters (Apollos Chariot thank you ❤).
We need to be more competitive with the other theme parks. If KD had a coaster going 95 mph, we need to match that, and match height. Since they want to remake stuff, bring back Drachenfire…make it 325 feet high, track length 5280 feet in length, with a speed of 85 mph. Twists, inversions, dives, high speed turns, and multi launches mimicking a dragon’s movement. It should be smooth like Apollo’s Chariot, and include a rollback like Pantheon. Watch how many folks from MD, TN, NC, and WV flock over here for it!
I saw this from over the trees when I was on verbolten.
what this was just announced, crazy speed!
I had it this layout cooking behind the scenes for a while. It's close enough that I felt great about doing a quick color change and a POV for it!
Greetings! May I use this footage (along with your Wiener Looping rendering) in a video I'm making about 2025 roller coasters? I will give your channel full credit.
I literally drop my phone when I saw this I was like omggggggg ..this is everything...if the end up doing the scenery like big bad wolf..this will be epiccccc.. period 💯💯🎤🔥🔥😍😍😍
It doesnt feel the same without the dive to the river
They need a coaster with an entrance by pompeii towards the front of the park...something that interacts with lochness and the river, flowing through the trees. The germany area has so much going on already and this won't be the same without the last drop down to the water like the original.
I'm stoked for this boys
Wheres the finale? WIthout that it's not The Big Bad Wolf, sorry.
This is a great recreation, I enjoy your NL2 recreations and you have a great sense of how roller coasters are made, can we do a collaboration on something? Have a great day man
First B&M with 2 lifts?
I believe so.
@@jasonkloos6348 Yep. Also the second B&M with two propulsion sections (Penguin Trek was the first).
@@alaeriia01Mandril was the first
@@velociviper77 oh yeah, that exists
Yeah it looks cool but if those trains dont swing like the ones did on the big bad wolf then that would suck ass.
You're completely open to the air. These are much better trains. Believe me.
@@jasonkloos6348 hopefully so
They're not going to, it's B&M, they won't build something like that.
@@jasonkloos6348 That type of train is already on alpengeist and literally hundreds of coasters around the world. Arrow suspended coasters are (sadly) a dying breed and far better suited for family coasters.
@@AC1097-eb2ss literally said they are better. Been doing this for almost 50 years.I even became an engineer because of roller coasters, especially because of Arrows rides in the 80s that nobody else was doing at the time. I got to meet both Ron Toomer as well as Claude and Walter in the early 90s when Cedar Points "Coastermania" was only drawing around 100 people. That's when ERT was actually ERT. So yeah, I've been around awhile.
Do you use fvd?
Nope!
Wow, that’s impressive!
I love my home park, but this is a no for me. I'm glad I got to enjoy Big Bad Wolf growing up and seeing how the park has evolved, but I was hoping for something else.
Man, B&M is cooking with their family inverts. Not their regular family coasters though lol. It better be smooth
phoenix rising isn’t so I’m afraid for the smoothness of this
@@bacondude3696B&M is well known for their smoothness I know that much. Even if there is a rattle, it shouldn’t be that serious I don’t think.
Two lift hills? dangggg
Is this the first invert with two lift hills?
No, arrow suspended coasters usually have 2 lifts, but it’s the first b&m to have 2 lifts
I still hope they will some sort of landmark or a taller ride back there so more people will see and go to ride it.
I picked wolfStorm
I think this should’ve been an a vekoma stc
If only it has the old style swinging trains...
Who have would have thought they would have saved this plot of land for this. I am just really confused at this point.🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
Be cool if the trains swung, even a little.
I'm glad they are bringing another coaster to BGW but I never loved the second lift hill on the original TBBW and I know I'm still not going to like the 2nd lift hill on this new ride. The second lift hill breaks the experience for me for the ride. I hope they do something visually with the second half of the ride since it will not feature the iconic drop by the river like the original ride.
Who else wants a RMC for the park 🤦🏾
Seems like a snoozefest
"North America's longest family inverted coaster" they have an extremely important record
Instead of a second lift hill, it should be a launch. I mean, it is supposed to be a wolf, right?
B&M doesn’t use a launch on their Family Suspended Coaster Model. Plus launched inverted coasters are an extremely rare breed.
They should've hired a translator lol. "Wölf" makes zero sense grammatically since there's no Ö in the word Wolf (singular), only in Wölfe (plural). The correct names would be Geisterwolf, Wolfssturm, and Wolfs Reign. Except, I suppose, if they somehow decided to use Wölf as a proper name... which it isn't, and it still wouldn't make sense :D
Are you really going to go after amusement parks and judge the roller coaster names they choose? Like seriously, give us a break! We don’t care about the grammar used for the names here and I’m sure Busch Gardens has a valid reason why they came up with them and therefore no translator is needed. This is absolutely ridiculous because one else is being so judgy about this except you
The reason is that it sounds/reads more german for someone not knowing german and yes, these names are quite stupid. But it's not the first stupid name there.
@@Rohrbach00 To be fair Busch gardens markets itself on its European theming so a certain level of authenticity should be expected.
@@Rohrbach00Calm down. It's just a really weird choice and even though I know that most people who visit don't know German, as a German it does sound really dumb.
@@phantafan7965 Let me just say that I wasn’t yelling there, otherwise I would’ve used a bunch of capital letters
I hope it has two trains 😂
@@moosepickles1882 it will!
Is this the actual animation?? If so, wow.. serious let down.. and what a waste of the biggest space they had left. This could’ve/should’ve been a lot more thought out.. yes, Verbolten was a nod to big bad wolf but the thing that stood out the most was that second drop toward the rhine River.. for them to not do a thing to make that second drop any more thrilling or even appealing is a total let down..
God they ditched the Drachen Fire Spike project for this?! This looks extremely underwhelming...
I like to be positive but this looks very uninspiring. Hopefully the allure of the name is enough to bring new guests in
G wolf
This looks completely lame.😒
Yeah why are they returning old rides they could keep current rides
Well what do you expect from a Family Suspended coaster?
Wow these names are so stupid. "Let's just add an Ö everywhere to make it look more german"
Looks lame hope this is really coming
They better not remove Verbolten to put this junk in.
@@x-cool41205 they are not, it’s going behind Verbolten where Drachen Fire used to be.
Not really “beast “ worthy
Yes, sure the land could’ve housed a much bigger coaster like an RMC, but if they can do great theming & landscaping on this ride (which sounds like they will) and get the word out, this might actually work very well! I really hope there’s onboard audio.
Plus all these family coaster attempts this park does don’t…usually…work in terms of thrill level (Verbolten) so maybe they’ve figured it out
Honestly if this is the ride, looks kinda boring. No loops no launches an 40mph? Womp womp. Cool for the kiddos tho
Sucks compared to the original! If that’s all they got that’s a downgrade! No revenge!
All of the name choices are, in my opinion, terrible.
Seems boring, no inversions, no real speed
@@daviddelp456 it’s a family coaster
lame
Another stupid family coaster. Hard pass!
anothwe family coaster....i thinks its time we pt a stop to this....next park to get a family coaster everyone needs to ignore it and stop going...enough is enough...
Who are you to say we need to put a stop to family rides and boycott parks that choose to build them going forward? I mean seriously, Amusement Parks are meant for everyone, not just coaster enthusiasts
Enthusiasts are less than 1 percent of a park’s attendance they wouldn’t give a shit
@@Rohrbach00 no different then you that wants them to keep building them...just money grab for the park from the parents...idc either way i wont be going to busch. kings dominion cedar point kings island babyyyy
Sometimes it's disappointing to see a family coaster but alot of these smaller coasters are still fun and pack a surprising punch. Also they practically just installed Pantheon so let em build a less intense ride.