THE PUMA KILLER MYTH!
Вставка
- Опубліковано 19 сер 2023
- Dogo peddlers out there with those one-up Puma Killers just keep on d-r-e-a-m-i-n ! Outside of sight hounds and ratting Terriers I think people forget domestic dogs really aren't very good at catching and killing big wild animals solo. Think about it thinking face who hunts Puma with one single catch dog? How does a dog catch one by himself there has never been a catch dog capable of hunting Puma's season after season solo hunting whipping and trashing one around is not killing. And so many of you don't understand cats fight on their backs for reason kitchen knife face with head bandage even house cats. To all you Dogo guys and girls out there with your solo Killers I have to ask who is hunting a single Dogo when the dogs were bred to hunt in packs and every time I have ever seen them hunting puma in Argentina they are in packs most often with galgos and galgo X's, that nobody wants to talk about, and ninety percent of the time there's got you Border Collies their too.
- Домашні улюбленці та дикі тварини
I remember when Mr. Richard Stratton was interviewed by Dogumentary and spoke about how folks way back when would have events where they would put a game dog in with a lion, and sometimes the dog would win. However, a game dog would win not by taking out the beast but by getting the lion to throw in the towel and escape the scrap. Even so, I wouldn't start calling bulldogs lion tamers. Many bulldogs would meet their end in these events, and if you tried putting most bulldogs against a lion today, nobody would be surprised if folks ended up losing their dogs.
Seeing is believing. Cats are not currs. Cats are hunters and will not risk an injury that would prevent them from hunting. If you can’t hunt you die. Cheetahs run away from wild dogs, hyenas and lions and let them steal their prey. Better to lose a meal than not be able to hunt again.
@@The_Superpack You're right, buddy. I agree with everything you said. I just wanted to show that while there are dogs that can square up to a big cat, that does not mean the dog actually kills the big cat. Some folks will disagree about them getting near 100 lbs. And while most of them are not, the ADBA does say in their confirmation standards that ideal conditioned weight can get up to 75 lbs. And that is conditioned weight. Maybe someone could get one up to 80 lbs if they feed them more and are more concerned about muscle gain. So some could technically be considered near 100 lbs.
@@Swell_Character I have two that will be around 90 if fed right on a chain later when they grow old their dad is 75 to 80 conditioned depending on how u feed him. Peaked out really lean hed still be 60s with a sighthound build. These non working people are utter nonsense and full of crap. I will send a catchweight on any cat under 200 lbs and he has zero chance if it goes longer then five min and they will def kill most of em. A cat has no idea what to do half the time with that much pressure and is a cur and also burns up with heat in minutes lol they are the ultimate niche predators that STALK their prey lol dogs are game and go head up with prey and can on film fight longer then any animal on Earth…. documented proven no debating it… they are the gamest creature. Their is a reason humans stopped matching cats and only match chickens and dogs usually as they have the longest fights…. Dogs are on another planet better at killing ur average cat at 100 lbs has a tiny head and only like an inch claws whereas as dog would have a huge head and about the same size teeth. It is not that serious lol Dogs will beat them around same size
Makes sense and I believe it. Pitbulls were bred to fight and have that gameness. A cougar, being a wild animal, it's main instinct is always going to be survival. If it didn't choose to fight and it makes sense it would choose to flee if the other animal is putting up enough of the fight and won't back down. It's just not worth it. That's why you see lions back down from honey badgers. A cougar in that situation would just want to get the hell out of captivity and probably only engage the dog because it was an immediate threat. The cougar would have lost based on the rules of the fight game but that doesn't mean it couldn't beat the dog or even kill it. It most certainly would.
There is absolutely nothing a pit bull could do to a lion. I have had many pit bulls, but this is a story that needs to die. It’s like the old days of martial arts where people swore they knew a guy whose sword could cut through a boulder or a guy who could kick a man’s head off and other nonsense.
This is so true cause I've seen bobcats and lynx completely tear apart the faces of dogs alot larger than themselves
I can believe that I've seen a lynx in person on the border of Maine and Canada and it's lot larger cat in person that what you see on the video with those massive paws they will surely put a ass whooping on a dogo 4sure they have to much tenacity to let any dog just easily kill it let alone any game dog killing a mountain lion.
When are we gonna see the short documentary’s about Dog breeds again, like back in the days?? One from CaliCatcher would be cool.
The Internet is also full of Kangal peddlers who greatly exaggerate the size,strength and especially the bite force of the breed. They call the Kangal a wolf killer, but no Kangal is killing a wolf single handed.
Depends on the Kangal and the wolf.
@@user-il9ze9py8c no it doesn't. It would have to be a severely weakened wolf for any domestic dog to even stand a chance one on one.
@@philip1345 So what you're saying is... It depends on the wolf?
@@user-il9ze9py8c I'm saying if it's a healthy adult wolf in it's prime, than a single dog has no chance.
It does depend on the wolf though. Many wolves are the size of your average labrador. The size of wolves is often exaggerated as well. Now a Northwestern Wolf is not something to be messed with, but a Kangal could likely take on a medium or small wolf.
Same here. I got a Kangal and she doesn't kill a wolf alone. Even if she's strong.
How many would it take?
CaliCatchers really is both the voice of reason and the voice of the people when it comes to dogs
There is a reason cats are the most successful hunters and most of them actually are solo hunters. I saw a freaky video once where a puma killed two dogos literally in seconds. It was thrashing them from the neck like ragdolls. The ferocity of the attack was breathtaking.
cats are not even close… the african wild dog is in the wild and apbt is the best overall… orcas are third…
cats are curs and have lit no fight or hunt stamina compared and are singular hunters because of aggression not capability
compare to what?@@The_Superpack
@@The_Superpack This guy knows. I defy anyone to show proof of a feline exerting itself for longer than 40 seconds. Cats are the most overrated animals on earth without a close second.
And then you lost the video in a fire I guess.
Love your channel
Setting dogs on a drugged up Animal is very fucked up.
Morocho was a nice STORY about a dog who loved his family so much that he was willing to risk his life to save them. We all want to think that our best friends would do that for us. It was a very nice STORY, so let's keep it in that context. I lost my Dogo last year he was a magnificent specimen who I will always miss. I have a rescue Pit now, and what I do is put him as the main character in that story. Because I know he would try to be as protective. GREAT STORY, JUST PUT IN WHATEVER DOG YOU WANT.
I believe a Dogo would die to save his or her family from a puma . I have owned my male Dogo for 9 years now and the only thing he is killing is the food in his bowl. They are catch dogs , key word is catch not kill.
A mature and healthy big cat is an absolute unit. Sometimes the dog might get lucky but in a 1v1 fight NO dog is a match for a mountain lion...even smaller cats like the Lynx and some bobcats are more than capable of defeating one dog
Absolutely right
Puma is definitely taking out 1 dog
There is no 100 pound dog thàt can kill a 100 pound cat. There is no dog that can kill a healthy adult puma or any other large breed cat. Great truth be told and great video! Thanks for sharing... 😁👍👍👍👍👍👍
A Turkish Kangal can definitely kill a puma
@@manii8397He'd be able to hold his own for sure. And if a Kangal was lucky enough (and I stress lucky), it would wind up severely injured. You'd better hope the mountain lion doesn't disembowel the Kangal as it lay on its back, using its strong hind legs with their razor-sharp retractable claws to claw the underside. It wouldn't be a pretty sight for a single Kangal
@@manii8397absolutely not
@@manii8397 maybe a sub adult 50 pounds puma LOL, but against a 200-225 pounds adult male? Lmfao, the Kangal wouldnt last more than 10 seconds.
I know of a Dogo who saved two girls in Argentina.
He killed the Puma.
How do you know? You've heard stories or you were there?
its almost as bad as when people claim a Kangal could kill a Tiger. Like dude ur dog aint killing no 650 lbs cat.
Kangals have killed tigers and grizzlies on film. A 650 is an anomaly in the wild they average less then 500 lbs more like 400 to 450 for males and many are passive… I have seen a great Pyrenees go hRd right up in a 1000 plus lb grizzlies face and kicked its ass and he took off after a while…. it is not as hard as you all think for a normal one.
@@The_Superpack ok show proof ?
@@exiledknight3961 u all ask to see it every time im not ur daddy figure it out on ur own like the rest of us
@@The_Superpack thats because you cant prove it. If you had proof you would show it but again you like to believe in tale tales you have read online.
@@exiledknight3961 Alright kiddo ill send you some here on youtube even
There He Is📚🐶💯
True tone is backkk! Amennnn
❤
You do understand they used dogs to hunt mountain lions, bears, and coyotes. They just normal hunting dogs
Zeke , cougars and Wolves have been hunting each other since they have co-existed . Dogos have been know to kill Pumas .
Who told you that Dogos kill pumas?
@@DogumentaryTV I said there is documented evidence out there on the net it has happened before in Argentina . Who told you Cougars are NOW hunting gray Wolves ?
Oh man I’ve heard it all. “If pit bulls were as big as hyenas then lions would be in trouble” actual African lions. Seen that comment once. Same thread someone said the pit would give the lion a hard fight.
Man you got to stay off the sauce
@@The_Superpack huh?
There have been cases where pits were baited against actual lions and won the fight (not kill)
@@user-il9ze9py8cthose lions were dragged
The same story of Kangals killing wolves in Turkey. In fact just the opposite. Wolves eat quite many kangals or Anatolian shepherd dogs each year.
I love my dogo. Never took her hunting. Shes just a gentle loving pet and part of our family.
My miniature poodle has taken down coyotes……😂
Morocho the goat dogo
My dog cured cancer! But then he ate the file. 😂
hahahahah, its almost as bad here in Zimbabwe as when people claim a Rhodesian Ridgeback could kill a Lion. Such a big cat vs a dog. These are just folktales hey
Kangal fanboys are the worst... They swear their dog can kill fully grown mountain lions or bears. Smh 😂🤦
they do
@@The_Superpack Hahaha ok 😂😂😂
@@juant7120 seen it
@@The_Superpack they can't it's scientifically possible also a mountain lion has also killed an Anatolian shepherd in the US LOL
@@andresvida95 Its possible I know lol thanks for agreeing lol anatolians are not kangals
Mountain Lion are NOT hunting Grey Wolves in the U.S. That's the silliest idea ever. Don't know where that nonsense came from, but I guarantee it is false.
A wild Puma in it's natural habitat is unlikely to even be near your dog. Predators like Puma (and bear for that matter) are actually pretty rare to encounter in the wild.
I've tromped around the woods more than 90% of the people who will ever watch this video. I've seen thousands of Elk and Deer, maybe 20-25 Bear, and exactly ONE fleeting glance of a Mountain Lion. Predators are smart, they smell and hear you coming and there's tons of brush and grass to hide in. They could be 15 yards from you; you wouldn't know. And by and large they want nothing to do with you. They're looking for dinner and the easier and less likely it is to fight back, the better.
It takes a pack of hounds to even tree a Mountain Lion and it often takes all day. Ask any hound hunter - you'll start before dawn and have your cat treed in the dark that night and maybe into the wee hours of the next morning.
Cougars hunt wolves in the US. It's pretty much know and they kill wolves like clockwork, with many predation accounts
So there have been cases of dead lone wolves being seemingly killed by mountain lions in Washington state specifically. Since 2013 there have been at least 5 incidents and that’s probably where that ideas coming from. However, ofc this occurrence is so uncommon that to say wolves are being “hunted” is clearly a big stretch.
No dog species stands a chance solo vs a large cat. Even some medium cats like the Eurasian lynx are known to kill adult wolves in a 1v1 battle.
No their not that is complete bs
Never understood why people feel the need to mythologize dog prowess.
*wild cat prowess
No I'm wondering if I'm afraid of the dogo because have what I've heard is hype. Everything sounds like a good idea until I hear some other video that basically says that they would be too much for me. That's because of the tales they tell About how rough and rugged the dog is one will say low threshold of pain and another 1 says hi threshold of pain it gets me to wonder if they even know what's the right way to explain a threshold of pain. This makes me question all of it now.
North American " cougar" just isnt the same thing as those " things from South America. Those cats got a large syreak of the devil in them.BAD ASS
I've seen Doggos kill pumas but it was 6 dogs one one.
I love the Dogo breed, but Dogo people have a propensity to go overboard. Like called some top Pit Bull and American Bulldog catch line trash because Dogo’s are far superior hog catching dogs😂
I’m super happy you love your Dogo, yours might be as good as any dog living…but the most successful hog hunters I’ve ever met ran AmBulls or Pits🤷♂️
I’ve spoken to a hog hunter who used both Dogos and game pits. He preferred the pits. His explanation was that the Dogos were sloppy on the trail. He also said the game pits would not hesitate to reengage when injured as where a Dogos would hesitate but eventually follow through. He did say that Dogos can be used in packs as opposed to the pits though.
Speaking on dog fanboys making idiotic claims, someone needs to officially address the idiot myth that cane corso have greater bite force than a lion. They claim that cane corso have 700+ PSI bite force, compared to a lion having like 500. This is blatantly false. Bite force is not even measured in PSI, but in N. Lions have up to 4500N measured (from national geographic as source), whereas the ONLY dog bite study I could find that included living cane corso didn't even put them above "pitbull" (which I am assuming is actually an XL bully), and rottweilers. And the didn't even break 2000N.
Not to forget the hype behind Rodesian Ridgeback as a lion hunter when its in fact a cur/bay dog.
A pack of treeing Walkers can sure put a puma up a tree so you can shoot it.
I’ve seen feral cats mess up pit bulls. A normal big cat is not being taken down by any breed of dog 1 vs 1.
If the Kangal - arguably the strongest dog breed in the world - takes time killing a small wolf (and I've seen a video of THREE Kangals having a hard time killing a FOX), then there is just no way any dog can kill a healthy adult puma.
Serbian Defense Dog, North Caucasian Volkodav, Kangal, Alabai,Sarabi mastiff, Sarplaninac, Caucasian shepherd,Boz shepherd, Aksaray Malaklisi,Ghadrejani dog....
Pishdar dog 👍👍💪💪
Thanks for setting the record straight!
what I've seen in the videos is that the Pumas are altered. almost always declawed and leaving a front paw clawed, sometimes defanged or drugged and the dog would kill it. Still, the dog would be so gashed in the face that the Argentinian owners always put it out of commission for the sole purpose of breeding "Puma Killers" and to pedal the pups for a higher price. In other videos, larger breeds have been documented pinning dogo Argentinos against the ground in fights of dominance and unaltered cats killing dogos in seconds.
There’s a video of a mans dogo killing a puma 1 on 1 cuz it was stalking its family
"To all you Dogo guys and girls out there with your solo Killers I have to ask who is hunting a single Dogo when the dogs were bred to hunt in packs and every time I have ever seen them hunting puma in Argentina they are in packs most often with galgos and galgo X's, that nobody wants to talk about, and ninety percent of the time there's got you Border Collies their too."
The reason the dogo is tested in the pen on mountain lions 1 on 1 is because the reality for a free-running catch dog is, even if used in a pack, they WILL find themselves fighting the quarry alone, many times throughout their career. I know this as someone from a long boar-dogging heritage. Pack doesn't matter, any catch dog in your pack better be able to handle itself 1 on 1.
This is why free-running catch dogs have never been used on lions or tigers, because it doesn't matter if you use a pack, you can use a pack of 8000, 1 of them will get on the cat first, and it has to be able to handle itself in a fight with the cat or it will simply be killed immediately. For this reason lions and tigers are off the table for catch dog use, and always have been.
But free-running catch dogs ARE viable on mountain lions, and it is because they can beat them up. This is not a dogo hyping thing, there is absolutely nothing special about the dogo argentino, it applies to ANY boarhound (bull x sighthound) type dog. What is actually being over-hyped, in a very widespread global epidemic way, is the mountain lion, and in fact all wild predators to an extent. People are just mesmerised and hypnotised by them and think of them like they are mystical superheroes. They are not. They are balanced humble wild survivalists. Cats are genuinely elite efficient killers, this is true, and that makes them dangerous hazardous quarry. But they are very poor fighters, very very very poor fighters. Who is the last great UFC champion who had no stamina and gassed out after 25 seconds of physical exertion? That's right, there isn't one. Dogos can beat up pumas close to their size and should be expected to. The puma has far superior killing ability, but to use that it first needs to win a fight, and most likely a decent dogo will prevent that outcome.
Most people have no idea what they are talking about on this topic. Uploader included.
Cats also only fight on their backs when they are losing and on the defensive. A dominant winning cat doesn't lay down on its back. You can find hundreds of videos of leopards killing street dogs and they don't go lay down under them, they pin them down and kill them. A cat on its back is having a terrible time and desperately trying to claw off its antagonist.
I don't have experience with the dogo but I do have a working line gsd. No way, .a dog is killing a wild mountain lion. Definitely can kill a coyote Bec a coyote is smaller and about same size to many larger dogs. People don't really understand that a dog was designed to help human not fight other wild animals. The dog was to assist the human in fighting wild animals. Dog alerts the humanand then the human shoot the wild animals or a pack of dogs nip at the wild animals until the human show up with the gun. Something like that. . I have to agree with you Sir.
theres 100s of videos of it
@@The_SuperpackGot a link to any? Surely you must being that there are "100s" of these videos. Reading your comments and replies shows you are nothing but the very definition of fanboy 😂. Change your name to "thesuperfanboynonsense1976"
No one dog (of any breed) can kill healthy, adult(even young) puma. Even an adult bobcat will kill pretty much any dogs. People just don't understand what they are talking about. Cats have a very different fighting techniques than the dogs.They use all four paws and jaws when dogs use just their jaws....
Dogo owner here! I always heard Morocho fought the puma in protection of two little girls in the family. If he killed it idk but I absolutely expect my dogo to protect me against anything. He is very courageous. Morocho confronting the puma allowed the girls time to get away to safety. He was in a severe condition but recovered and lived out the rest of his days. I never heard he killed it.
See I’ve been saying this for years and I’m called a hater 👍🏿.
Lol dogo isnt killing a healthy mountain lion 1 on 1...a cougar could definitely kill a lone wolf. A kangal isnt killing lions and bears... people are so gullible. These videos you see online the cat is declawed or defanged or the cat has been shot by the hunter already
Morocho may have saved the girls , but it was likely because the cat gave up. Predators aren't usually looking for a fight. They'll just go find prey that doesn't fight back.
they cant fight is the right answer ur average cat will die off in a fight in 5 min dogs are the gamest animals on earth a puma stands no chance
Dogos are one of my favorites breed, but my parents will kill me if I ever get one, because unfortunately, here in Italy, dogos have a really bad reputation due to irresponsible owners. I'll get one anyway someday 😂❤
Zeke my brother, C'mon 😂. You know good and well no single Dogo is killing a Puma/Mountain Lion/Catamount or whatever people want to call them. Folks that tell these stories are the same doofuses telling stories about Boerbels being "Lion killers" in Africa. Don't even give them any light because by doing so, even if you intend to dispell the nonsense, you are making a chance that someone will look them up and maybe believe them. Keep spreading the truth and great information that you do. ✌️
The general rule imo is any cat larger than 60lbs is near impossible for any breed or species of canine to take on 1v1.
Cats are just built too well for the quick takedown and can use their front paws for combat. Dogs can only use their jaws to do the dispatch.
I do think a Dogo can handle small puma subspecies like the Florida Panther which are not as large or powerfully built like other Pumas. But mostly the "Puma Killer" Dogo is all hype and no bite.
The Dogo Argentino is not a Mastiff.
It is part mastiff, part LGD, part Bull terrier, but for the most part it it mastiff and counts as such
@@andresvida95 The Dogo Argentino never was and never will be a mastiff. It is a Dogo big difference.
The Dogo Argentino is actually known as the Argentine Mastiff.
@@charleswaltonii3354 The Dogo Argentino is not a Mastiff . Never was and never will be a mastiff.
@@fermincarrasco800 bullshit again, the dogo argentino counts as mastiff as it's mostly mastiff.
It has 4 mastiff DNA in its blood.
Spanish Mastiff, Cordoba fighting dog, Great Dane, Dogue De Bourdeaux
I’ve seen videos not in UA-cam where dogos kills pumas, unfortunately the owner of this channel does not have common sense and interviews dogo hunters from Argentina.I’ve spoken to them and all coincide that if a good dogo is capable of bite first the puma is pretty much done deal. Please channel owner investigate first and do not sell controversy.
I would put my money on the 150 pound 700 psi bite force Cane Corso over a Dogo Argentino that is 90lbs and 500 psi bite force. But... the way the founder's grandson told the story "Morocho is our hero" It is realistic that the dog is willing to give up it's life to save the little girls that he loved so much. My dogo Argentino is a female who can kill a grizzly bear IF I am there with my S&W 500 revolver that will put a 900 pound bear that can run 30 mph on his ass. But without that gun my dog and I are SCREWED.
Bite force means nothing, it’s about the gaminess and movement. Dogos are a lot more swift in movement than a Corso. Almost cat like.
I've seen them both up close. Enough now thnx 🦬🐎