Disclosure is not only standard practice in the fine art & collectable market, but a provenance (documented history) _adds value_ to a work because it is a guard against fraud.... collectors _and_ investors value disclosure. The key difference between card alteration and fine art restoration is that one seeks to deceive the buyer in the short-term while the other aims to preserve the work (and its value) over the long-term. No-one knows better than a restorer just how much damage improper cleaning & handling can do over time.... that's why the products & techniques they use are tried & tested both in practice _and_ in a lab, Frankly, any fine art restorer would be _horrified_ by the types of heavy-handed & untested "treatments" that people subject these cards to. It sounds like PSA might finally be waking up to the legal ramifications of their "hands-off" attitude... wilful ignorance may work in a niche hobby where cards are worth a few hundred bucks, but it's not going to fly when you're doing big business selling a professional evaluation that can be used to facilitate fraud in the tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Rattle I’d love to see you and RocketCollect have a debate about cleaning vs. altering. Dude refuses to accept Kurt’s is altering. Posts tons of YT shorts of using Kurt’s showing before and after cracking and resubbing. Dude is so confident he shows cert numbers in his videos. Someone could potentially go through and report every sub he has with proof of them being altered. Tons of people would be fucked with deactivated Slabs.
@@_mocart_ yeah I know why he refuses to accept it. I just really want to see him publicly try to defend it against another creator in the hobby vs arguing with me in his comments lol
@@aaronscott2278 you can make the argument it’s possible to clean a card with out actually alerting it. Micro fiber, maybe a little bit of a gummy eraser ect. But when you’re using something that’s going to change how a card came from the factory(flaws and all) that’s alerting. Kurt’s takes away a layer of holo to even out scratches
Because if you spill something on a sports card or whatever you're going to get a rag and wipe it off. It's the same thing. You're just cleaning it. Altering would be cutting the edges and color touching etc...
Been saying this for ever. You can't "remove" a scratch without either adding material inside the scratch or removing material from around it. Both of these are tampering.
This is were I jump off as well. When you are adding a new coating or removing finish, it’s a problem for me. Certain types of cleaning, I am open to having a discussion.
the polish i look at no differently to when you cut and polish a freshly painted car to remove anything and level the surface. You are altering the top most layer of paint to get that glassy finish. That being said if car paint guys look at it as altering the surface i don't understand why card guys cant grasp that concept! I wonder 10 years from now the real damage that all these guys are doing to cards will show up.
I heard about this and immediately thought of that guy who got in your face in Charlotte, can't remember his name and don't really want to. People who do this type of thing will never admit that's it's not the right thing to do, even after they are locked up for fraud, which is very likely if the person they ripped off has enough time and money to press charges. Anyway thank you for everything you do Rattle!!!
You'll be fine. They don't have a way of detecting it at all. These only got deactivated because their certs were visible after the fact of documenting that they used the product
@@joeymak2000 NOPE! very successful submission actually. I've stopped using CGC at all now and doing 100% PSA but back when i submitted this i took a bunch of scratches out of a skyridge gengar and some other cards and i got bumped up to a cgc 7.5 on the skyridge gengar. They don't seem to be able to tell it was restored. Of course i used by own concoction of polish and vaseline no point in paying for card care products they are just repackaged granite polish anyways lol.
It’s hilarious, that al of these scammers love the UA-camrs that call out other fraudsters! Or at least until it’s about them! I just wish I could their reaction, the moment that they realized they have been called out for scamming and have become a “FRENCH COWBOY”!!!
CGC Must be the only ones doing it right then. If a book has been restored, they label it as such. If the book was just cleaned and pressed, no one cares. They label it as a blue label
Ultimately having to sneak this by PSA is the main issue IMO. They have clearly stated they are against these practices. Those who are pro cleaning/restoring need to push for disclosure. Like a restored label for heavily restored cards like they do for comics.
@@RattlePokemon Agreed. It would be a step in the right direction but ultimately won’t stop those looking to deceive PSA and the end buyer. I’ve suggested it to those who are pro cleaning and their only response is “but..they can’t detect it”, even though a “restored” designation would help to legitimize what they are doing. Just shows their main motivation sadly.
psa need to change that Victor Wembanyama to altered then maybe you can take their word, and hope kurt paid his sale taxes since he a store. psa also comes up with a percent change trying to predict your card will sale for such a scam to get more money from a person.
Thank god. I've made comments on 100s of videos of people using kurts card care. So many people seemed impressed, but i always warned all the viewers not to do this shit because the g companies are crackong down and will start deactivating cards. Also, who knows how this crap will effect the cards in 20 years?! Its aLL ALTERED. LET THE DECERTS BEGIN! people dont clean coins for the same reason. You lose the petina you lose the age.
Thanks for amplifying Rattle. Yes, any touchup or removal of a card is altering it. In MTG, if you ink a card (like many did in the 90's), then it is at best moderately played or very good and many would even consider it damaged. I do not like having any altered cards and I know the grading card companies still grade many altered cards - I am assuming unintentionally. Many grading companies have tried to combat this, but often charge customers for false positives for alterations. I have had a few pack fresh cards sent back to me as "altered". I then had to pay a resubmission fee to get the correct grading. Like you state, fine art or not - it needs to be disclosed if any altering was performed.
I don't think using an eraser, a microfiber cloth or heat press/hot steam/hot water should be considered ALTERING by PSA when it's not by CGC The grading standard should be the same across the board for everyone and apparently it's not
people are cleaning cards since the beginning and there's no way to detect if a card has been cleaned or not if you do it correctly. Even if they find out a method to detect the added chemicals (if any, in most cases it's just water), good luck in adding this procedure for all the cards submitted.
agreed , I've even seen some store fronts that offer grading submissions offer a cleaning service before they submit your card for grade ....... cards are mint when they are basically untouched.... trying to clean edges to appear more polish/new it's very sus at this point send the cards your selfs or just don't grade 🎉 . because imo they are ruining the quality.
Now it goes underground and still carries on. In the coin grading industry cleaning is excepted by the grading companies as long as you pay them to do it. Isn't that nice. They call it coin restoration, but if you do it at home it is altered and worth a lot less.
Well it’s a fine line … if you clean the coin to a point that the grading company’s can’t tell it’s cleaned than you did good quality work . If you clean it and they can tell than you didn’t do a good quality job and they have the right too not accept it for grading
@@yamaha226 if you try fixing your car and than take it to a shop they will most likely charge you more since they gotta deal with your mess on top of the issue.
@@RattlePokemon really? I don't think that guy was trying to deceive anyone either. Cope? Like what u are doing with your horrible content? Your just upset because the majority doesn't agree with you. Also hi nice to meet you, im "that guy" who wouldn't mind buying one of these cards.
@@Socal0721na, u right. It really shows in the like to dislike ratio. Posting claims of "most collectors would agree" without any proof other than ur own opinion. Talk about coping. Also I dnt sell cards, never even graded a card. I ACTUALLY do it for the hobby and think grading is a scam, and this proves it. Again wouldn't mind buying a "cleaned" card.
#1 what these people you are discussing are doing is fraud 100%. #2 there should be a restoration possibility for those that would like that but this process just like other restoration requires proper documentation and process being followed available for scrutiny
Unfortunately, this really shouldn’t stop Kurt’s card care, no WILL it stop anyone like Kurt or people using his product or other products/services. All they have do is say these cards are not going to be submitted. But behind the scenes they most likely will. For Kurt he will just have to tell someone to go find/use someone else’s submission to get stuff graded. Third party of a third party type of thing. And don’t put on screen SSP or numbered cards if you plan to submit. That would be stupid.
They don't disclose it because PSA doesn't accept it. And who is PSA to write the rules? They can't even have the standards when grading. They grading methods are inconsistent. People should decided. And I am talking about cleaning the card - removing something that was not supposte to be on the card.
It really is a bummer for someone like myself who also just wants factory conditioned cards in my collection. Hopefully they figure this out sooner than later and there is a good window from when the submissions started and to when it gets cracked down on to help people know what cards to avoid if skeptical. As some others have said though I don't think this should be shunned as bad if restoring but made a different colored PSA label with all the same qualifiers of a normal PSA graded card that way people can still restore and preserve if that is their end goal and not just to make a quick buck off someone.
So if i'm hearing correctly, this guy is just cleaning and pressing cards? CGC doesn't consider that restoring or altering. So why should we care? I would rather have my cards with no stains. And no wrinkles. We dont want Cut edges or color touches
IDK if it's the case or the product by kurt but the altered cards by kurt looks darker and less reflective as prev. Wonder if you could get a reflective illumance rating for a card to check for altering over time or extreme sun expose (another reason for fading of the protective layer).
I'm not saying what he did is right or wrong or a gray area, but has PSA forgot all about the scandal not that long ago where they and PWCC were basically proved to have given higher grades to resubmitted/cracked/trimmed cards. This is further proof that they can't tell evidence of these changes being made during the grading process, their one job.
I m all in with you but I d like to ask the question: In art conservation we allow removal of yellowing and restoration of paintings and documents etc. After restoration these items have a history that is tracked with what was done. Why not introduce the same to card trading? Also there needs to be an invisible tagging done to the cards to give them a unique number that can be tracked just like lab made diamonds because once someone receives a rejection by company X they will go to company Y
Now I've opened up this can. I'll go one step further. I restore old cars. If there is a plastic interior panel that is perfect but is dried out because it is dehydrated from the years of sitting, I have to re-hydrate that panel. So one is saying I am not allowed to do that? The 1973 Topps set is notorious for having a dry fuzzy edging. If you take the tiniest bit of water and touch up that edge, the fuzziness goes away and that edge is tight again.
Yeah, how many of us haven't licked our thumb and smoothed over a couple of hairs on a corner? Cars aren't quite analogous though. There's unrestored and concourse restoration. Plus there's matching numbers and documented original miles. Cards are different. They simply have their condition which is supposed to be authentic - “what you see is what you get.”
I haven’t finished the video yet but this is also like with cleaning coins. It’s not allowed in the hobby and if you do it the coin loses numismatic value, but condition is enhanced to the naked eye, but the hobby rejects it and that’s why it’s kills value and isn’t allowed 😊
I have 3 psa 10s. Only 1 card is perfect, and it's a japanese card. Sometimes i think the engliish quality control is so bad that maybe it's easier to get 10s? Should be harder, really, and the english 10s should have premiums since quality control is so much worse, and basically, no english cards are perfect. This could only hold true if the grading systems were actually accurate and honest though.
@nah4215 Hey, good call. im quite literally baked 24/7. I'm a medical marijuana patient, and rarely, if ever am I not medicated in some way. Peace love and happiness. Watch out for the robots.
Dude you are a crybaby. 10 years ago getting a comic book pressed was considered restoration. Now cgc offers it as a service. Psa is mad cause they want to add a cleaning service to their grading and they don't want us doing it. Plain and simple. How many people pay 1000s for panini products just to get bent corners and scratches out of Packs. These companies make millions and Kurt showed people yea, u can fix this shit and get one up on these psa, cgc, panini monopoly. Tell me the difference between a 9 or 10 please. Becket black label is the same thing. It's all a scam bro.
If the polish does remove material from the cards, how come PSA, BGS, and CGC can't seem to detect it? Are they all not able to detect it? Does it not actually remove material? Does it only remove dirt/grime? I'm not defending it, but it seems like PSA is only catching these offenders because people are publicly posting about it, not because they graders actually detected any altering.
@@RattlePokemon You should do a video on this! Buy a magnifier, have someone polish and not polish some cards, and see if you can tell a difference! Or get in touch with a grader and see if they can spot the difference! Very curious!
Hahahahaha do you tell your insurance company your car is altered (cleaned) when registering it 😂 grow up. Nothing wrong with cleaning anything. Adding anything to the card, polish/sharpi, is different.
I'd bet $10,000 if I take a baseball card, which has a slight crease on a dogeared corner, damp the corner just a smidge with water, use a cornering tool, which many things will do the job and get all corners to a perfect point again, which I'm pretty good at, NOBODY would tell that I fixed that card. Not PSA not anybody. Your saying out there that people haven't taken their fingers, which work good too, and pressed them together on corners to get a slightly better point? Come on really?
Wish this meant that they can detect it but that doesn’t seem to be the case. At least they’re taking action against people doing it on camera though! Hopefully this continues
Agree with cutting, trimming, painting etc. Disagree with polish, cleaning or streaming those have been a mainstay with other collectables like comics and never was seen as alteration. Not done it myself don't have the skill and wouldn't trust myself to not damage it.
Removing material off the sides of a card by trimming isn't similar to removing material from the surface by polishing? It's disclosed on the label when comics are altered.
@@RattlePokemonI am not suggesting that the “disclosure” was made from a position of integrity, but it’s out there. The card now has a stigma attached to it. The open market can determine its value.
I support rattle I watch him a ton but I feel restoring a card condition is 100% fair especially if it's removing any flaws but if it's used to disguise 🥸 it only and it's sitting behind the substance that's the real problem. But no problem with cleaning a card and making a better condition and removal of flaws is fair not disguising
The hobby does have rules and regulations otherwise people would collect proxy cards! And the people in the hobby decide it’s fraud! And honestly if cards are trimmed or altered in any way it’s FRAUD!!
To disparage Kurt is ridiculous. He is not a cheater or scammer. He’s an amazing guy. What someone decides to do with their card is their business. Quit talking bad about him. It actually makes you look bad. And stupid.
Jesus. The more I watch this video is screaming idiotic. Your statements about Kurt are so far off base, I cannot believe people watch this show and appreciate what you say. What a joke. You’re the scammer.
Imagine being as petty as this dude. The card in question his for the dudes kid and PC he doesn’t sell. Nothing but bitter takes it’s crazy all for clout. Used to be a fan of your takes but now they’re just for show
It’s over as it’s an easy catch if they look for it now in every card. AI can catch every card. Takes one program and a few machines. Google can easily make this PSA if they want it. The tech is there. The magnification on this tech is so great that you cannot hide even 1/1000th of inch cut in the card or use a chemical on it as it leaves a residual that can be picked up at a certain magnification. Maybe 6-12 months you have left before you can’t get it passed. CGC does this with comics just not in the magnification level which they will need for cards. Good luck not trying to scam people
Hello, Im a Conservator at The Metropolitan Museum of Art in NYC, as a card collector myself im not upset at all at kurts products, I have done a chemical analysis on the spray that he uses and its not bad, we use a much more robust mix of chemicals then any of his products, he uses what we call a basic mix ive used that mix for over 37 years, we let the newbies start with that, its absolutely safe for the long term of the card, now as to the ethics of restoring cards to make them look as best as possible im ok with it as long as the restoring has been done properly but others may disagree. In my opinion grading cards is a scam, it is there opinion that the card is an 8 or 9 depending on how that person feels that day. I'm pretty sure non of the graders at any of these company's have ever handled a priceless work of art and the pressure of restoring it so my opinion is that they are not qualified to make that type of judgement. Please learn the difference between restoring and altering.
Lol catch me if u can, dam LOP, grading companies aren't taking ideas from a dude that calls himself rattle pokemon haha😬🥸🥸🥸its just going to get worse,people love to grade there cards and buy graded cards and love to buy mystery boxes, packs, cant stop it, u could make videos till your blue in the face, its a new hobby, the purest are just mad about it😂
Disclosure is not only standard practice in the fine art & collectable market, but a provenance (documented history) _adds value_ to a work because it is a guard against fraud.... collectors _and_ investors value disclosure.
The key difference between card alteration and fine art restoration is that one seeks to deceive the buyer in the short-term while the other aims to preserve the work (and its value) over the long-term. No-one knows better than a restorer just how much damage improper cleaning & handling can do over time.... that's why the products & techniques they use are tried & tested both in practice _and_ in a lab,
Frankly, any fine art restorer would be _horrified_ by the types of heavy-handed & untested "treatments" that people subject these cards to.
It sounds like PSA might finally be waking up to the legal ramifications of their "hands-off" attitude... wilful ignorance may work in a niche hobby where cards are worth a few hundred bucks, but it's not going to fly when you're doing big business selling a professional evaluation that can be used to facilitate fraud in the tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars.
100% this
Rattle I’d love to see you and RocketCollect have a debate about cleaning vs. altering. Dude refuses to accept Kurt’s is altering. Posts tons of YT shorts of using Kurt’s showing before and after cracking and resubbing. Dude is so confident he shows cert numbers in his videos. Someone could potentially go through and report every sub he has with proof of them being altered. Tons of people would be fucked with deactivated Slabs.
He refuses to accept it because he directly benefits from denying it.
It's not "cleaned vs altered", it's "making him money vs not making him money".
@@_mocart_ yeah I know why he refuses to accept it. I just really want to see him publicly try to defend it against another creator in the hobby vs arguing with me in his comments lol
Isn’t cleaning it altered?
@@aaronscott2278 you can make the argument it’s possible to clean a card with out actually alerting it. Micro fiber, maybe a little bit of a gummy eraser ect. But when you’re using something that’s going to change how a card came from the factory(flaws and all) that’s alerting. Kurt’s takes away a layer of holo to even out scratches
Would you not clean your house before selling it?
Because if you spill something on a sports card or whatever you're going to get a rag and wipe it off. It's the same thing. You're just cleaning it. Altering would be cutting the edges and color touching etc...
Horrible comparison. When they do it to ALTER condition whether good or bad. It’s still ALTERED.
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@@henrys3629 Card come
Been saying this for ever. You can't "remove" a scratch without either adding material inside the scratch or removing material from around it.
Both of these are tampering.
This is were I jump off as well. When you are adding a new coating or removing finish, it’s a problem for me. Certain types of cleaning, I am open to having a discussion.
the polish i look at no differently to when you cut and polish a freshly painted car to remove anything and level the surface. You are altering the top most layer of paint to get that glassy finish. That being said if car paint guys look at it as altering the surface i don't understand why card guys cant grasp that concept! I wonder 10 years from now the real damage that all these guys are doing to cards will show up.
I heard about this and immediately thought of that guy who got in your face in Charlotte, can't remember his name and don't really want to. People who do this type of thing will never admit that's it's not the right thing to do, even after they are locked up for fraud, which is very likely if the person they ripped off has enough time and money to press charges. Anyway thank you for everything you do Rattle!!!
welp i chose the wrong time to restore and send in a bunch of vintage grails. lmao. will let you all know soon if they come back altered.
You'll be fine. They don't have a way of detecting it at all. These only got deactivated because their certs were visible after the fact of documenting that they used the product
Let me know please, I just got the kit, I didnt know abt this 😭
Have them come back altered??
@@joeymak2000 NOPE! very successful submission actually. I've stopped using CGC at all now and doing 100% PSA but back when i submitted this i took a bunch of scratches out of a skyridge gengar and some other cards and i got bumped up to a cgc 7.5 on the skyridge gengar. They don't seem to be able to tell it was restored. Of course i used by own concoction of polish and vaseline no point in paying for card care products they are just repackaged granite polish anyways lol.
@@drop6597 ah you just did some polishing. I’m interested in using the soak on vintage sport cards. Not sure the difference..
Soaking your cards or swiping CGC holders this is what to come when collectables become desired & driven with greed. Invest wisely people.
It’s hilarious, that al of these scammers love the UA-camrs that call out other fraudsters! Or at least until it’s about them!
I just wish I could their reaction, the moment that they realized they have been called out for scamming and have become a “FRENCH COWBOY”!!!
"I used to like your videos!" lol
CGC
Must be the only ones doing it right then. If a book has been restored, they label it as such. If the book was just cleaned and pressed, no one cares. They label it as a blue label
Cleaning a card should go no further than wiping down with a micro fibre cloth, that's it. No juice.
Ultimately having to sneak this by PSA is the main issue IMO. They have clearly stated they are against these practices. Those who are pro cleaning/restoring need to push for disclosure. Like a restored label for heavily restored cards like they do for comics.
That's not what the people altering these cards are looking for. It would make them less valuable than just submitting the original card.
@@RattlePokemon Agreed. It would be a step in the right direction but ultimately won’t stop those looking to deceive PSA and the end buyer. I’ve suggested it to those who are pro cleaning and their only response is “but..they can’t detect it”, even though a “restored” designation would help to legitimize what they are doing. Just shows their main motivation sadly.
Then why didn’t they decertify the wemby 1/1? Maybe cause it hurts their rep too much?
Psa should have an altered label where people can send cleaned cards if they want too
I think they do, it’s ‘AA’ for ‘Authentic Altered’ but you may have to sub the card and specifically ask for that designation.
It’s WILD to me to altar a 1/1 card…
IT IS THE ONLY COPY! Who gives a rip the condition!
psa need to change that Victor Wembanyama to altered then maybe you can take their word, and hope kurt paid his sale taxes since he a store. psa also comes up with a percent change trying to predict your card will sale for such a scam to get more money from a person.
Thank god. I've made comments on 100s of videos of people using kurts card care. So many people seemed impressed, but i always warned all the viewers not to do this shit because the g companies are crackong down and will start deactivating cards. Also, who knows how this crap will effect the cards in 20 years?! Its aLL ALTERED. LET THE DECERTS BEGIN! people dont clean coins for the same reason. You lose the petina you lose the age.
Thanks for amplifying Rattle. Yes, any touchup or removal of a card is altering it. In MTG, if you ink a card (like many did in the 90's), then it is at best moderately played or very good and many would even consider it damaged. I do not like having any altered cards and I know the grading card companies still grade many altered cards - I am assuming unintentionally. Many grading companies have tried to combat this, but often charge customers for false positives for alterations. I have had a few pack fresh cards sent back to me as "altered". I then had to pay a resubmission fee to get the correct grading. Like you state, fine art or not - it needs to be disclosed if any altering was performed.
In the comic book world, if you remove stains creases and bends, it adds value to the book
Its garbage with that too
Finally! Kurt's special cleaner cracked down
I don't think using
an eraser, a microfiber cloth or heat press/hot steam/hot water should be considered ALTERING by PSA when it's not by CGC
The grading standard should be the same across the board for everyone and apparently it's not
I say watch out for these cards to be in a cgc case soon
people are cleaning cards since the beginning and there's no way to detect if a card has been cleaned or not if you do it correctly. Even if they find out a method to detect the added chemicals (if any, in most cases it's just water), good luck in adding this procedure for all the cards submitted.
agreed , I've even seen some store fronts that offer grading submissions offer a cleaning service before they submit your card for grade ....... cards are mint when they are basically untouched.... trying to clean edges to appear more polish/new it's very sus at this point send the cards your selfs or just don't grade 🎉 . because imo they are ruining the quality.
Now it goes underground and still carries on. In the coin grading industry cleaning is excepted by the grading companies as long as you pay them to do it. Isn't that nice. They call it coin restoration, but if you do it at home it is altered and worth a lot less.
Well it’s a fine line … if you clean the coin to a point that the grading company’s can’t tell it’s cleaned than you did good quality work . If you clean it and they can tell than you didn’t do a good quality job and they have the right too not accept it for grading
@@patrickm6483 Fair .
@@yamaha226 if you try fixing your car and than take it to a shop they will most likely charge you more since they gotta deal with your mess on top of the issue.
Wtf you talkin about. Cleaned is cleaned no matter who does it. It's all a scam as far as I'm concerned.
if you accidently scratch your card, you are altering it.
Nice try but not the same thing as you aren't deceiving anyone by scratching it. Cope harder.
@@RattlePokemonwhat is deceiving about making a card look nicer? Does that mean it is not a nice card?
@@RattlePokemon really? I don't think that guy was trying to deceive anyone either. Cope? Like what u are doing with your horrible content? Your just upset because the majority doesn't agree with you. Also hi nice to meet you, im "that guy" who wouldn't mind buying one of these cards.
@@srblazealotMajority of collectors agree! Sellers don’t because it hurts their wallets! Cope harder.
@@Socal0721na, u right. It really shows in the like to dislike ratio. Posting claims of "most collectors would agree" without any proof other than ur own opinion. Talk about coping. Also I dnt sell cards, never even graded a card. I ACTUALLY do it for the hobby and think grading is a scam, and this proves it. Again wouldn't mind buying a "cleaned" card.
#1 what these people you are discussing are doing is fraud 100%.
#2 there should be a restoration possibility for those that would like that but this process just like other restoration requires proper documentation and process being followed available for scrutiny
I heard some of these cards were getting sent back. About damn time. 🙏
Unfortunately, this really shouldn’t stop Kurt’s card care, no WILL it stop anyone like Kurt or people using his product or other products/services. All they have do is say these cards are not going to be submitted. But behind the scenes they most likely will. For Kurt he will just have to tell someone to go find/use someone else’s submission to get stuff graded. Third party of a third party type of thing.
And don’t put on screen SSP or numbered cards if you plan to submit. That would be stupid.
Its definitely scummy if they are not disclosing touch ups and to do it with brand new cards factory sealed is shady af
They don't disclose it because PSA doesn't accept it. And who is PSA to write the rules? They can't even have the standards when grading. They grading methods are inconsistent. People should decided. And I am talking about cleaning the card - removing something that was not supposte to be on the card.
There's a lot of grey areas here.
Nice recap.
Would like to see psa publicly address this situation and explain the deactivations.
It really is a bummer for someone like myself who also just wants factory conditioned cards in my collection. Hopefully they figure this out sooner than later and there is a good window from when the submissions started and to when it gets cracked down on to help people know what cards to avoid if skeptical.
As some others have said though I don't think this should be shunned as bad if restoring but made a different colored PSA label with all the same qualifiers of a normal PSA graded card that way people can still restore and preserve if that is their end goal and not just to make a quick buck off someone.
So if i'm hearing correctly, this guy is just cleaning and pressing cards? CGC doesn't consider that restoring or altering. So why should we care? I would rather have my cards with no stains. And no wrinkles. We dont want Cut edges or color touches
IDK if it's the case or the product by kurt but the altered cards by kurt looks darker and less reflective as prev. Wonder if you could get a reflective illumance rating for a card to check for altering over time or extreme sun expose (another reason for fading of the protective layer).
But will they continuously follow through
RIP Kurts creams
And they do not recognize that as altering or tampering. Or restoring
I'm not saying what he did is right or wrong or a gray area, but has PSA forgot all about the scandal not that long ago where they and PWCC were basically proved to have given higher grades to resubmitted/cracked/trimmed cards. This is further proof that they can't tell evidence of these changes being made during the grading process, their one job.
I m all in with you but I d like to ask the question: In art conservation we allow removal of yellowing and restoration of paintings and documents etc. After restoration these items have a history that is tracked with what was done. Why not introduce the same to card trading? Also there needs to be an invisible tagging done to the cards to give them a unique number that can be tracked just like lab made diamonds because once someone receives a rejection by company X they will go to company Y
Now I've opened up this can. I'll go one step further. I restore old cars. If there is a plastic interior panel that is perfect but is dried out because it is dehydrated from the years of sitting, I have to re-hydrate that panel. So one is saying I am not allowed to do that? The 1973 Topps set is notorious for having a dry fuzzy edging. If you take the tiniest bit of water and touch up that edge, the fuzziness goes away and that edge is tight again.
Yeah, how many of us haven't licked our thumb and smoothed over a couple of hairs on a corner? Cars aren't quite analogous though. There's unrestored and concourse restoration. Plus there's matching numbers and documented original miles. Cards are different. They simply have their condition which is supposed to be authentic - “what you see is what you get.”
I disagree. It's ok in the comic world to clean and press...that's not Altering lmao
I haven’t finished the video yet but this is also like with cleaning coins. It’s not allowed in the hobby and if you do it the coin loses numismatic value, but condition is enhanced to the naked eye, but the hobby rejects it and that’s why it’s kills value and isn’t allowed 😊
Unfortunately thats just one grading service. They will most likely just submit to beckett or cgc now
Or hop in someone else’s submission that isn’t connected to kurt
Adios, Kurt.
This is a perfect if you play stupid games, you win stupid prices😂. Of course people will defend it they want the best grade for their flips
Hope PSA gets sued, bunch of BS from them!
I have 3 psa 10s. Only 1 card is perfect, and it's a japanese card. Sometimes i think the engliish quality control is so bad that maybe it's easier to get 10s? Should be harder, really, and the english 10s should have premiums since quality control is so much worse, and basically, no english cards are perfect. This could only hold true if the grading systems were actually accurate and honest though.
You’re baked
@nah4215 Hey, good call. im quite literally baked 24/7. I'm a medical marijuana patient, and rarely, if ever am I not medicated in some way. Peace love and happiness. Watch out for the robots.
agreed man, keep rockin.
Between the good ol boys and people like Kutt, the sports card hobby is nest to life support. And now they're making their way over to Pokemon and MTG
Dude you are a crybaby. 10 years ago getting a comic book pressed was considered restoration. Now cgc offers it as a service. Psa is mad cause they want to add a cleaning service to their grading and they don't want us doing it. Plain and simple. How many people pay 1000s for panini products just to get bent corners and scratches out of Packs. These companies make millions and Kurt showed people yea, u can fix this shit and get one up on these psa, cgc, panini monopoly. Tell me the difference between a 9 or 10 please. Becket black label is the same thing. It's all a scam bro.
If the polish does remove material from the cards, how come PSA, BGS, and CGC can't seem to detect it? Are they all not able to detect it? Does it not actually remove material? Does it only remove dirt/grime? I'm not defending it, but it seems like PSA is only catching these offenders because people are publicly posting about it, not because they graders actually detected any altering.
Because they likely aren't looking at it closely enough or under magnification.
@@RattlePokemon You should do a video on this! Buy a magnifier, have someone polish and not polish some cards, and see if you can tell a difference! Or get in touch with a grader and see if they can spot the difference! Very curious!
@@RattlePokemon BGS allows cards like these to be graded on the daily. BGS who offers black labels most certainly use magnification
Rattle !
Better not wax not classic car or change the tires......
Hahahahaha do you tell your insurance company your car is altered (cleaned) when registering it 😂 grow up. Nothing wrong with cleaning anything. Adding anything to the card, polish/sharpi, is different.
I'd bet $10,000 if I take a baseball card, which has a slight crease on a dogeared corner, damp the corner just a smidge with water, use a cornering tool, which many things will do the job and get all corners to a perfect point again, which I'm pretty good at, NOBODY would tell that I fixed that card. Not PSA not anybody. Your saying out there that people haven't taken their fingers, which work good too, and pressed them together on corners to get a slightly better point? Come on really?
He has MADE A KILLING ON ALTERING THESE CARDS....
cleaning compared to trimming, you've got this soo wrong
Finally!
Buy the card not the grade.
Can’t wait to see opossum buds video on Kurt’s card splooge
So as long as he hides the certs and his subs he’s good
He was hiding the certs and they'll get matched up by Blowout regardless.
I want an autographed Rattle hat!!!
Wish this meant that they can detect it but that doesn’t seem to be the case. At least they’re taking action against people doing it on camera though! Hopefully this continues
On the flip side. I clean dirty records to play. Oh no, record and CD polishers. I wiped black mold off a cover with water. Ooh shame.
Who keeps feeding these damn trolls??
Agree with cutting, trimming, painting etc. Disagree with polish, cleaning or streaming those have been a mainstay with other collectables like comics and never was seen as alteration. Not done it myself don't have the skill and wouldn't trust myself to not damage it.
Removing material off the sides of a card by trimming isn't similar to removing material from the surface by polishing?
It's disclosed on the label when comics are altered.
False I knew a man with 2 gold star alakazam with the exact same holo pattern
cool, show me
People selling fakes often do have more than one. Did they also perfectly match the tcgplayer stock image?
So if that's all (kurt'scardcare) is doing (removing stains and creases to add MORE value. CGC doesn't recognize it So why does PSA? LOL
Would the shout out not fall under the category of disclosing that it was treated. Isn’t that what critics are asking for?
After it was graded and not a direct admission of it being used... Are you playing dumb?
@@RattlePokemonI am not suggesting that the “disclosure” was made from a position of integrity, but it’s out there. The card now has a stigma attached to it. The open market can determine its value.
Hear me out your right but way to invested but you have a nice niche
Someone needs to make a TLDR for every rattle video. 😅 I need this video to be 7 minutes long for my attention span.
2x on the player
third!
Rattle lives in an ideal world with rainbows abd butterflies. Handle the real scammers first. Dude us trying to go after the world
You creamin'?
@@RattlePokemon I'm about to since I learned about it from you
I support rattle I watch him a ton but I feel restoring a card condition is 100% fair especially if it's removing any flaws but if it's used to disguise 🥸 it only and it's sitting behind the substance that's the real problem. But no problem with cleaning a card and making a better condition and removal of flaws is fair not disguising
Federal level stuff, LOL - rattle... come on bro... Kurt doesn't work on other peoples cards! You can't soak pokemon, so much lack of knowledge here.
It's a scam point blanket period, what's in the juice?
@@charyvazone7969 that is an opinion just FYI
How is it fraud and illegal lol this hobby has no rules or regulations 😅
Fraud doesn't care what you're buying or selling...
@@RattlePokemon what’s that even mean. Who decides it’s fraud? You?
The hobby does have rules and regulations otherwise people would collect proxy cards! And the people in the hobby decide it’s fraud! And honestly if cards are trimmed or altered in any way it’s FRAUD!!
Rattles you call people on grifts, but you're grifting as well, bud, lol.
What is a griff?
how tf is Rattle grifting? Do you even know what that word means, or did you just hear it somewhere and thought using it makes you sound cool? 😂😂
@user-om4nk6ui2s Lol, good one, bud. Just let the adults talk.
To disparage Kurt is ridiculous. He is not a cheater or scammer. He’s an amazing guy. What someone decides to do with their card is their business. Quit talking bad about him. It actually makes you look bad. And stupid.
Jesus. The more I watch this video is screaming idiotic. Your statements about Kurt are so far off base, I cannot believe people watch this show and appreciate what you say. What a joke. You’re the scammer.
What's your eBay handle?
@@RattlePokemon I don’t have one. Why would you ask?
I only buy cards in person.
You clean a car when selling and appraising it. Keeping cards clean is really not a big deal IMO.
Imagine being as petty as this dude. The card in question his for the dudes kid and PC he doesn’t sell. Nothing but bitter takes it’s crazy all for clout. Used to be a fan of your takes but now they’re just for show
Call me a grifter, lol - I will keep cleaning and grading until I die
It’s over as it’s an easy catch if they look for it now in every card. AI can catch every card. Takes one program and a few machines. Google can easily make this PSA if they want it. The tech is there. The magnification on this tech is so great that you cannot hide even 1/1000th of inch cut in the card or use a chemical on it as it leaves a residual that can be picked up at a certain magnification. Maybe 6-12 months you have left before you can’t get it passed. CGC does this with comics just not in the magnification level which they will need for cards. Good luck not trying to scam people
Thank you for self-reporting.
@@RattlePokemon Can I have my money back for backing your self-reported legal battle? lol
Hey guys
Hello, Im a Conservator at The Metropolitan Museum of Art in NYC, as a card collector myself im not upset at all at kurts products, I have done a chemical analysis on the spray that he uses and its not bad, we use a much more robust mix of chemicals then any of his products, he uses what we call a basic mix ive used that mix for over 37 years, we let the newbies start with that, its absolutely safe for the long term of the card, now as to the ethics of restoring cards to make them look as best as possible im ok with it as long as the restoring has been done properly but others may disagree.
In my opinion grading cards is a scam, it is there opinion that the card is an 8 or 9 depending on how that person feels that day. I'm pretty sure non of the graders at any of these company's have ever handled a priceless work of art and the pressure of restoring it so my opinion is that they are not qualified to make that type of judgement.
Please learn the difference between restoring and altering.
You might want a different username if you expect anyone to believe you.
José Luis Lazarte Luna Asst. Conservator 🤔
Lol catch me if u can, dam LOP, grading companies aren't taking ideas from a dude that calls himself rattle pokemon haha😬🥸🥸🥸its just going to get worse,people love to grade there cards and buy graded cards and love to buy mystery boxes, packs, cant stop it, u could make videos till your blue in the face, its a new hobby, the purest are just mad about it😂
Please at least let your phone correct simple English words for you