$10,000 Camera VS $100 Camera, Comparison Underwater. How much do you need to spend?
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- Опубліковано 5 тра 2020
- We took 4 different cameras ranging from $100 to $10,000 for a dive to test out which was best and how much a person really has to spend to get the footage or photos that they want.
I did the camera comparison with my partner at Freediving Central Daniel Parsons. We took a Sony A7s mark 2, an Olympus EM5 mark 2, a Go Pro Hero 8 and an Apeman Action Camera. We were lucky to get good vis for the dive as well!
If you're keen to learn to freedive in Australia get in touch with www.freedivingfamily.com we run freediving courses all over Australia!
This really needs to be uploaded in 4K, youtube compression and low bitrate kills this comparison.
Totally. First time doing something like this...I think I missed a few key points! haha
great stuff Adam - remarkable both how much better bigger sensors are, and what the gopro can do with that smaller sensor!
Hey Adam, I really like what you do but I think you could elevate the image quality of your videos by extending your knowledge on cameras.
First of all setting white balance in camera is not color grading or balancing.
Try this:
- set a custom white balance whenever you can using a grey card especially underwater!! (I'm sure you can buy a waterproof grey card) this will fix the green tint in your footage. Above water you can get away by using the presets in your camera: Sunny, Cloudy etc...
- record in Cine 2 picture profile (pp5 in your camera maybe) it's a flat picture profile that will give you a bit more dynamic range and flexibility in post
- Set in camera sharpening to -7 (sharpen in post if needed)
- Expose manually whenever you can. You overexpose a lot, you often blow out the whole sky sometimes even when you could achieve proper exposure on the face and save those highlights at the same time, I'm not sure if it's because you use auto exposure or it's just your taste but don't do that :)
I can imagine how hard it is to live life, freedive and vlog at the same time but you are a machine :D so please don't take this negatively
Wow the gopro hero 8 is almost the best choice! It does a hell of a job!
I have a hero 3 plus and it also does a great job... but the 8 is awesome!
thank you :D this is an amazingly in depth comparison. really appreciated :)
This video really captured the difference so well! 👏👏
Hello Adam,
GoPro fan here 😉
I just ordered the Aqualung Sphera mask, can't wait to try it.
Greetings from Romania 👍
Hello back from Australia! I love that mask :)
Nice vid mate! Very impressed with the GoPro footage, especially after a little colour grading.
Thanks Joel! I was surprised too! haha I've been using the go pro more and more these days
that what i was looking for... Thanks Adam
Awesome video! Loved the mini Lightroom tutorial too. When I watched it vid was at 270 views, 27 likes and 27 minutes ago hahaha
hahaha well some sort of magic must occur then! haha Stoked you like the video! :) It was good fun putting together
Coolllll and very informative. Thanks.
This was like an impromptu color grading tutorial for me. Thank you.
Such a useful video!!! Thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
Awesome! I just made a dive video here 😀 and my dad saw you here too! 😂
Ah awesome :) Good to see you here!
thanks for the review 👌 I'll stay with my GoPro 😁
Great video thank you Adam !!!
Thanks you Istvan :) Glad you enjoyed it!
Ok, I subscribed for the dog. Markings are just like my dog - that gorgeous tawny brindle!
To really get good footage especially if you are willing to shelle out 10k you need a lens that was designed to take underwater footage such as the nikonos lenses. Especially the 15mm is excellent!
Pretty sure there are a lot more modern lenses that do a great job.
2:11 burst out laughing at this part hahaha never change adam :D
Can you guys detail the 4000 setup. Or link to its items
I like the funny laughs, you spend an extra 10K and you get something fancy hehehe
just like all cameras the difference between a good and bad is the contrast.
If you use a cellphone or similar "small sensor" gadget details will be washedout while a big sensor will capture it and show more depth. when taking landscape photos you may not really need the details as much as when you focus on a close object.
When it comes to video its the same thing but u also need to consider the compression. you will clearly see a difference between big and small censor camera but the question will always be if its good enough for what you are doing. like uploading to youtube will compress your video alot and depending what you are doing the extra details may not be necessary.
which is the reason professionals use full frame cameras (the bigger sensor the better)
Adam, you could upload somewhere those sample images from lightroom for better comparison :-)
Could you tell me what this dive location is? Thanks!
What photo/video editing software do you use Adam?
Well def a different video to what I am used to seeing. Yup the go pro hero 8 is a great camera (they have come along way, the stabilisation is awesome as well) As a A7iii Owner I will mention the camera really shines with the user. Yup the footage was a bit shaky and the Sonys don't have the best IBIS but if you are just shooting without a particular profile then u will get average results.Slog and Cine4 are a preferred flat profile to maximise DR but you have to expose properly as well. Also Lenses make a huge difference. Another difference is a full frame sensor combined with a fast lens whilst pushing iso's to 10k or more ( you can basically see in the dark)I could imagine it would come in handy on the bottom of the ocean
Thanks for the info! I'm actually learning so much about my camera in the comments here! :) I've never shot in Slog but I really should try.
@@AdamFreediver Actually Slog is not a good idea with crappy 8 bit footage. you will get banding and other crap in your footage.
Cine4 will come up with the best results on the A7sii. Slog tends to have too much grain even in lower ISO’s.
Cool comparison, I think with a custom white balance on the song at 20m it would blow any action camera out of the water, excuse the pun! That $10K rig is nice but if you leave it on auto like the GoPro it doesn’t make much difference. Horses for courses like you say.
Totally! If I had someone with me....like a certain Aussie spearo vlogger extraordinaire then I imagine we could have torn the go pro to pieces :)
plz go back to the photo place with dec chair and news paper for photo :D (under water)
Interesting). Sony A7SM2 is 12 Mp only. It can't take much details, isn't it? Big sensor take more light, I think.
should use a red filter with the gopro brings out the washed out blues and greens with a more accurate colour and better with white balance :)
I ordered the Apeman A100 last year for 100 €.
Sent it back, it's crap.
In perfect lightning conditions it kind of works, but as soon as it gets darker and especially with changing conditions, it produces garbage.
Videos in low light surroundings are just black, where a standard mobile phone still takes perfectly good pictures.
Software is also not bug-free: transmissions via USB keep breaking up, menu is not practical.
Its enough to take snapshots for snorkelers, but for that you might as well get a 30 € model.
Awe I miss you guys haha cool bananas 😝
im fun of gopro 8 :) like this video
I have been practising breath holding on dry. When I breath , after a short time i got a weird filing that the air is coming out my nose . How to stop it ?
You can wear a nose clip or stop the air escaping your lungs with your throat or tongue :)
That was awesome dude! I think the gopro holds its ground pretty well! I was considering upgrading my hero 3+ since it struggles a bit with water video.
Also what's the name of the song at 2:27? i found it very catchy lol
Thanks buddy! Erin edits the videos and chooses all the music so i'll have to ask her
@@AdamFreediver I would really like to know haha:(
Email' s the 6,7 and 8 are 10x better underwater. Definitely worth the upgrade if your into filming.
What song is that :0 My poor shazam won't pick it up for me
People can say whatever they want but nothing beats... cool bananas!
hahahaha no it doesn't
Can somebody tell me what song is used here :)?
Awesome! What software do you use to edit videos?
Thanks! I use Adobe Premiere :)
Hi Adam. Do you have a Red Filter on the gopro Cam?
I don't but I also don't have a red filter for the other cameras so I it worked out to be fair :)
@@AdamFreediver if you use this, the water looks much more blue, not green. It makes a huge difference.
you should do a video showing how to edit the vids.
Now that's a fun idea!
Hello from 🇿🇦... Which software did u use after Lightroom
Premiere Pro by the looks
you are such a legend
Because I'm a man with many cameras ;)
Could you imagine to capture and upload vidoes in 2K or even 4K ?
Hahaha we should have done that but being the geniuses that we are...we forgot to
@@AdamFreediver Could you possibly do a retake for 4k?
@@dztrbdgod who cares ?
barry jones because 4K on the Sony is much better than 1080p
The GoPros are so good for the money... If you set them for 2.7 or higher you are good to go!
They really are. I've been really impressed by them so far
you can get cheaper setup's with the sony x6300 / x6400, canon m6, lumix gx85, or canon crop dslr's. which would be a massive step up on go pro for similar or even less money
Definitly not for less, but it isn't far off
@@gasperkralj2027 go used and patient on ebay / facebook market place you can pick up a bargain. got my m6 + cheaper housing for 550 euro both new two years ago.
this is incredible but u need to change up the backing track
That dog tried to drown you😂😂
It was almost successful
Hi Adam! is this lightroom? TIA
I have a GoPro hero7, u know its good for some video shooting, but not really for pictures, and the angle is too wide even in linear setting. so, Im thinking if I should take my a7rii down to the water, but I found it so costly for the housing. then I saw this one: a universal housing (outex.com). however, it states that waterproof to 30ft... hmm
sigh, not sure if I should go for a specialised housing for the rii, or I go for TG series and their housing, as they are more affordable.
what do you think??
thanksss
Don't buy a sony camera. If you want great footage get a camera that can shoot 10 bit footage.
how long can u hold ur breath for
I did analog photography underwater for 30+ years. Digital photography underwater I started with Gopro. It has a brilliant wide angle lens. If you add lots of LED Lights absolutely brilliant. I Almost never shoot ambient light. On Land I use Olympus OM-E5. I have a full ubnderwater set of cases accesories etc. It is my backup system. Never been used. From what I have seen with my friends, they carry the huge case accesories lights and stuff on the plane. Then they have to decide what they are going to photograph before the get in the water, Wide, normal, macro etc. Me I use a TG6 in a cheap aftermarket case. Of course Strobe, LEDs, home made brackets and a Backscatter wide angle lens adaptor. You can screw it on or off underwater. This can deal not only with Wide angle, Macro but also Micro. Tjhis cost less than 1500$ INCLUDING STROBE AND LEDs.
Thanks
Welcome
free diving classes in melbounre?
I always get so jealous of the clarity in the water in other countries.. Ireland’s is super murky haha
Depends on where and when. We get similar Viz to this
what softwares are you using for grading and editing?
Adobe Lightroom and Premiere
More expensive camera's have a higher dynamic range, which allows you to see more detail in the shadows and highlights. If your scene has a low DR you do not need a big camera. The Video is limited by it's codec and bitrate. It's the UA-cam codec that kills the image quality, especially when it is uploaded in 1080p or lower quality. RAW, LOG, HLG and 1012 or bit colours are the things you want in a codec, but you also need a computer and software to process it all.Personally I'm looking forward to a GH5 and a cheap housing and my F1,8 wide angle olympus lens. Shooting open gate 5k, 10bit H265.
With the olympus you should shoot in the cinema 24p -200Mbit OMD LOG format to gain the highest quality.
With Sony Slog 2 or Slog 3.
Sony s-log profiles fall apart when they are in 8-bit codecs such as on the A7S ii. I'd only use it in bright sunny conditions. It retains highlights better than it does shadows. I have a GH5 in a Nauticam housing, the 10bit makes such a difference for grading but what will change your footage more than anything is a custom white balance at depth. I normally point it at some sand or light rock to achieve this. The v-log profile is also great on the GH5 if you purchase the upgrade. The best wide lens for the GH5 underwater is the Olympus 7-14mm F2.8. I've got the Panasonic 7-14mm F4. Would be nice to have the extra stops of light you get with the Olympus.
I'm bowing right out of this technical conversation haha. I usually just point the camera at things and press record :)
Thanks Daniel!
I'll get the a GH5 with V-log.About the custom WB, I had this trick in my mind: put a small white sticker inside my dome, and use that to AUTO WB? In post I'll crop the 4:3 to 16:9 so the white dot will not appear in the final video. What do you think?
"Poa kichizi kama ndizi " = Crazy cool like a banana. Swahili and Australian = "same same but different" :-D
I think with a budget get an older model gopro. If you have a bit more money get a new gopro. For a decent youtuber income generator = Olympus, full time job pro = Sony.
totally agreed Calvin!
What is the edit program do you use??
That is lightroom
my camera was $29 and its really good
Did you tried an IPhone?
Hi Adam is it you do your CO2 tables and then go onto apnea walk or 25 metres in the pool 8 times 30 second break on the same day can you do a livestream on answering questions again
Hey! Where is this spot?
Cheers adam
Terrigal Skillion :)
@@AdamFreediver thanks man! Love your content.
No one no one!
Zooms in on his own foot editing the photo
And thus...my foot fetish has been revealed!!!
Could the file format have an impact on each camera's output. The expensive cameras shot in RAW, while the action cams only shot JPEGs
Nuh uh idiot
Why isn't this video in 4k?
Because we are absolute fools and didn't film the videos in 4k haha
@@AdamFreediver Aight😄 Remember next time
GO PRO! haha
The king of the cameras!
Truthfully if i had 800 cash i would buy new dive suit. An new equipment.
yeah makes sense. Better to be warm!
Lmao, that compression, all look the same
nice spot
It sure is. Though most days the water isn't so clean
@@AdamFreediver yeah its the in sydney
the gopro 8 footage is bad. Oversharpened, poor codec, bad dynamic range and oversaturated. It's like a crappy smartphone. In this test the em5 is the best; awesome IBIS, great lenses selection, very balanced image. a Em1 mk 2 would be much better tho, with Cinema4k @ 200mbs.
You think the Em5 footage was better than the Sony?
to be real, the go pro make 10k camera look like bad value option
I want to swim but it's QUARENTINE. Sorry for my English
Hero 8 is not $100 at least $200-299
There's a huge difference between a standard gopro and a Sony mirrorless camera performance. I'm sorry, but the content misleads the viewer that their performance is almost the same, as in reality it's not even remotely close.
A a7 ii with housing is not 10.000 $ even with a very expensive lens.
The A7s II with a nauticam housing is ;) It's actually more but I thought the round number would make it more fun
@@AdamFreediver I don't know man but ok. I enjoy the videos anyways, keep it up.
Just had a quick look in Australia camera $2.7k Sony 24-70 lens $2.8k Nauticam housing $5k. So yep $10k here in Australia
So im in quarantine but these guys are diving in the ocean... that's definitely not fair
The worst is a terrible place I'm afraid
Fredivers just being freedivers:)
No, you need to spend $20,000. Time to part with some pennies.
That's a lot of pennies
Sorry adam, great video idea , but we can't see actually the difference, putting 4 windows in only a fhd mainframe is too much, we can't appreciate detail difference.. i suggest you to put one by one the videos in 4k , in a 4k youtube video... also those cameras like oly and sony give their best in 4k mode, the fhd is not optimized..thank you ,bye
Ah well live and learn! thanks for the feedback :)
@@AdamFreediver Adam I love you
Can you guys detail the 4000 setup. Or link to its items
Hey Adam, I really like what you do but I think you could elevate the image quality of your videos by extending your knowledge on cameras.
First of all setting white balance in camera is not color grading or balancing.
Try this:
- set a custom white balance whenever you can using a grey card especially underwater!! (I'm sure you can buy a waterproof grey card) this will fix the green tint in your footage. Above water you can get away by using the presets in your camera: Sunny, Cloudy etc...
- record in Cine 2 picture profile (pp5 in your camera maybe) it's a flat picture profile that will give you a bit more dynamic range and flexibility in post
- Set in camera sharpening to -7 (sharpen in post if needed)
- Expose manually whenever you can. You overexpose a lot, you often blow out the whole sky sometimes even when you could achieve proper exposure on the face and save those highlights at the same time, I'm not sure if it's because you use auto exposure or it's just your taste but don't do that :)
I can imagine how hard it is to live life, freedive and vlog at the same time but you are a machine :D so please don't take this negatively