Out of the 28 inch Barrel 410 Shotgun it'll be around 1700 FPS which will stop a intruder with no problem at all. I've been shooting the 410 Shotgun since 1982 and I have to say it's the most under rated gun ! People need to realize that 3 inch shells with a slug out of a 28 Inch 410 Shotgun Barrel is more powerful than a 357 Magnum hitting with some rounds over 2000 FPS due to the longer Barrel that many people don't factor into its performance. Ive hit steel targets at 450 yards with 410 Slugs with no problem with a antique 28 Inch 410 Shotgun 😂
A valuable lesson learned here that them there rounds will do just fine out of a .410 shotgun which makes it easy for old folks and weak women to use in self defense.
The rounds look effective. The deformation of the slug may be from the round ball slamming into it while traveling down the barrel. That looks like mushed from the rear.
It's the best round I've seen so far for them. I've had the snub nose public defender and one of the 6.5 inch barrel revolvers. Its definitely a good performer in those. My 6.5 inch barrel got the same size group at 10 yards as his mossberg. I get about a 3 to 8 inch group with it at 20 yards.
@@jumpkickman1993 What a stupid ass statement.. has nothing to do with what he said. You must be young. Go to your room now Jr. , the adults are talking.
@rangefinderz5135 I wonder if the slugs actually expand though. Kinda pointless if the balls just pinch the back of the slug and it doesn't expand. Xtp hollow point tip for no reason
These "gimmick" loads will get you in trouble. The velocity out of the judge is ridiculous. Not a stopper, but Ieaves a live perp with ugly wounds who will sue you.
Just a note that these did not work for me out of my steel Judge inherited from my father. I could swear I've shot them from it before a few years ago without any issues, but I bought three boxes this year and literally 5-10 our of each box would jam my Judge so tight you could not open the cylinder. I keep my guns impeccably clean and had a Gun Smith check it to see if I needed to polish the cylinders or something else. He tested it with different .410 brands and said my Judge was fine, it was the Hornady Critical Defense rounds. He said the shells expand too much jamming it, one even blew the primer out a bit. PDX and similar work flawlessly, maybe it is just an issue with what Hornday is manufacturing this year (2024), but I won't put it in my Judge anymore. That is a critical flaw in a carry gun.
Slug goes where you aim & balls go high? That sounds like it was built for self-defense, the slug hits center-mass and the balls pepper the neck & face.
Found you by your cap and ball ballistic gel video. Thanks for that, it was good information. I have not seen any muzzleloader ballistic gel tests. Would this be something you could put together? Thanks, new subscriber.
Longer Barrel = Higher FPS MUCH HIGHER!!!!!!!!! I couldn't imagine getting shot by this through a 410 Shotgun this load out of a 26 inch Barrel 410 Shotgun would stop a Grizzly Bear believe that !!!!!!! This would be a great load for Deer at 35 yards!
Would these be safe to fire through a Full Choke like on my Mossberg 500 I picked some of these up today for cheap and didn’t realize until after I bought them
Yes they’ll be fine. The slug is hollow based and probably pure lead, so it’ll swage down to choke diameter. The round balls are .35” and absolutely no issue there, as a full choke is .396” I believe. They will shoot fine. Just don’t expect any real long range accuracy.
This was fairly impressive compared to some No. 4 buck I tested. I have chronied some Federal Buck but I have yet to catch them in any medium. It will probably be the best of the lightest gauge.
I know what the manufactures and stores will do to gouge us and well look at those prices of buckshot and slug loads! Hopefully you were smart to stock up on reloading supplies BEFORE communist china unleashed their virus on us. I bought a 50 dollar Mec600jr and made sure to stock up on Little Gun powder, 3 thousand 3/8" chromium steel ball bearings, a thousand WAA410 wads, and a thousand 209 primers. I use 16gn of powder and x3 ball bearings in each load.
Out of the 28 inch Barrel 410 Shotgun it'll be around 1700 FPS which will stop a intruder with no problem at all. I've been shooting the 410 Shotgun since 1982 and I have to say it's the most under rated gun ! People need to realize that 3 inch shells with a slug out of a 28 Inch 410 Shotgun Barrel is more powerful than a 357 Magnum hitting with some rounds over 2000 FPS due to the longer Barrel that many people don't factor into its performance. Ive hit steel targets at 450 yards with 410 Slugs with no problem with a antique 28 Inch 410 Shotgun 😂
Could you make a video to prove that statement?
It was good to see a video on these out of a shotgun. Very impressive
That's a pre-fragmenting .44 Magnum! Better than actual slugs for sure, looks like a decent hardness of the alloy.
Reminiscent of the old "buck and ball" loads from the Civil War. Except they were fired from .69 caliber muskets.
A valuable lesson learned here that them there rounds will do just fine out of a .410 shotgun which makes it easy for old folks and weak women to use in self defense.
And waaaay more power than any 9mm
The rounds look effective. The deformation of the slug may be from the round ball slamming into it while traveling down the barrel. That looks like mushed from the rear.
I noticed that also
Absolutely. I think your 100% right on the slugs
They work great out of a henry, but obviously you need to make sure you have the right choke (improved cylinder) depending on the model used.
Finally going to buy a judge because of this round!!!
It's the best round I've seen so far for them. I've had the snub nose public defender and one of the 6.5 inch barrel revolvers. Its definitely a good performer in those. My 6.5 inch barrel got the same size group at 10 yards as his mossberg. I get about a 3 to 8 inch group with it at 20 yards.
Great video and great test thank you for doing it!
To me the only good defensive loading in 410 is 000. Rounds like this strike me as a gimmick
It won't strike you as a gimmick if it's pointed right at you
@@jumpkickman1993 it would strike me one time less than it would have if they had just been using triple 0 buck.
@@jumpkickman1993 What a stupid ass statement.. has nothing to do with what he said. You must be young. Go to your room now Jr. , the adults are talking.
@@Valorius how the heck would you know what's pointed at you? If someone sticks a 410 in my face im turning around, I don't care if it's bird shot.
@@Valorius Two less with the right 3" load.
Thank you I know I made the right decision because I have a Taurus judge poly frame thank you for the video
The round was designed for use in a Taurus Judge or S&W Governor revolver - not out of a regular shotgun.
I believe he stated that at the beginning of the video lol
@rangefinderz5135 I wonder if the slugs actually expand though. Kinda pointless if the balls just pinch the back of the slug and it doesn't expand. Xtp hollow point tip for no reason
This would be a good load for something like the Taurus judge.
Deadly for sure. Those who crack on .410 don’t realize how many little slugs and 3 round ball shots they make isn’t a joke for sure
This load was invented for the judge
These "gimmick" loads will get you in trouble. The velocity out of the judge is ridiculous. Not a stopper, but Ieaves a live perp with ugly wounds who will sue you.
@@billhinkle1653 Follow up with two 250 grain 45 long colt
Was just about to say the same thing. Theyd be better off sticking to the 45LC in a judge. @@billhinkle1653
People will commonly say .410 is just not enough firepower for self defense. This test proves it is very sufficient. I mean 3 gel blocks!
This round and Winchester Defender's 410 shell are both excellent rounds out of a shotgun.
Just a note that these did not work for me out of my steel Judge inherited from my father. I could swear I've shot them from it before a few years ago without any issues, but I bought three boxes this year and literally 5-10 our of each box would jam my Judge so tight you could not open the cylinder. I keep my guns impeccably clean and had a Gun Smith check it to see if I needed to polish the cylinders or something else. He tested it with different .410 brands and said my Judge was fine, it was the Hornady Critical Defense rounds. He said the shells expand too much jamming it, one even blew the primer out a bit. PDX and similar work flawlessly, maybe it is just an issue with what Hornday is manufacturing this year (2024), but I won't put it in my Judge anymore. That is a critical flaw in a carry gun.
Slug goes where you aim & balls go high? That sounds like it was built for self-defense, the slug hits center-mass and the balls pepper the neck & face.
Pretty impressive out of the shotgun!
Cool experiment!
Thanks for the data brother. I wonder if the slug would stay true to aim and accurate out to 50 yards...
Definitely not. 30 yards is probably maximum distance
@@jumpkickman1993eh you’d be surprised
I wonder if the slugs were tumbling before they hit the gel. It would explain them being flat instead of expanding. Was the barrel you used rifled?
Thank you for this info
I wouldn't wanna stand in front of it!
I recently acquired a Mossberg bolt 410. I'm planning some loads of two .390 roundballs. I hope they're pretty accurate and effective.
i also have an old mossberg 410 bolt, did you ever shoot them? how did they shoot?
I wonder if these would be effective from my Bond Arms derringer. 2-7 yards wonder the impact would they get Penetration? What about 7-15 yds ?
Found you by your cap and ball ballistic gel video. Thanks for that, it was good information. I have not seen any muzzleloader ballistic gel tests. Would this be something you could put together? Thanks, new subscriber.
It is on my radar! Any suggestions?
@@professorpewpuew I mean I have been thinking about a traditions Kentucky percussion rifle. It's an affordable muzzleloader.
Longer Barrel = Higher FPS MUCH HIGHER!!!!!!!!!
I couldn't imagine getting shot by this through a 410 Shotgun this load out of a 26 inch Barrel 410 Shotgun would stop a Grizzly Bear believe that !!!!!!! This would be a great load for Deer at 35 yards!
Can you shoot them in a single shot with full choke?
Is the same as Winchester defender ammo. 🧐
Would these be safe to fire through a Full Choke like on my Mossberg 500
I picked some of these up today for cheap and didn’t realize until after I bought them
Yes they’ll be fine. The slug is hollow based and probably pure lead, so it’ll swage down to choke diameter. The round balls are .35” and absolutely no issue there, as a full choke is .396” I believe.
They will shoot fine. Just don’t expect any real long range accuracy.
You want that spread. Having all three go into the same hole would not have the same effect.
You guys really need to be doing this with a Judge or simular hand gun, as a shotgun should never be used for home defense!
That is the dumbest shit I've ever heard.
Now THAT is pants-peeing hilarious.
Anyone try this for hunting i know its for clise range shooting but i was just wondering.
When you want to take down that huge buck hiding behind a tree while killing the grizzly that's running towards you.
Federal buckshot is so far beyond this stuff
This was fairly impressive compared to some No. 4 buck I tested. I have chronied some Federal Buck but I have yet to catch them in any medium. It will probably be the best of the lightest gauge.
How so?
I know what the manufactures and stores will do to gouge us and well look at those prices of buckshot and slug loads! Hopefully you were smart to stock up on reloading supplies BEFORE communist china unleashed their virus on us. I bought a 50 dollar Mec600jr and made sure to stock up on Little Gun powder, 3 thousand 3/8" chromium steel ball bearings, a thousand WAA410 wads, and a thousand 209 primers. I use 16gn of powder and x3 ball bearings in each load.
I use these in my Taurus Judge and my Rossi Circuit Judge
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