Great video Scott and real world test. Thank you for pointing out issues with the new faster sensors and how it affects DR performance. It really surprises me how many content creators just bash the R5 II for being worst in IQ over original and a lot of them are Canon shooters. You wouldn't believe how many comments I have seen on other reviews where Nikon shooters said how terrible the R5 II is and what horrible release from Canon. Then went on to say how much better the DR is on Z8 & Z9, it's laughable. I know your pretty much Nikon shooter so I really love how you can still give the R5 II a unbiased review. I guess maybe they just don't get it, all of these camera's made from any manufacture are amazing and they all have things they do better and worst than the competition. There is no perfect camera and never will be, which is fine. But I look at it this way, is it perfect for ME and if I can say yes then that is the best camera for me. But you also mentioned an interesting fact about the Nikon Z8 & Z0 when it got released, how it didn't get the bashing on IQ like Canon did. Can you let me know why do you think content creators do that, especially Nikon shooters? Are they just in such a competition with Canon that they just have to try and tear Canon down every time they come out with a new camera? I don't see Sony shooters doing that nearly as much. I would love to hear your take on that. Again thanks and I can't wait for your next video.
Thanks for the reply. I am actually a Canon shooter that moved into the Nikon cameras a couple years ago. I can't speak for other folks reviewing the cameras, but I do know how my workflow is and what I have to do or wait for when a new camera is released. Along with that I try to only include what I'm experiencing in the initial use of the camera on early videos and know ill have to wait on videos like this one when I finally can use my full workflow on an image. Bottom line is the low light of all the cameras is pretty good and all the other advantages outweighs that loss in DR from the DSLR world or slower sensors.
I agree. Sony fans used to be more vocal about bashing Canon, but I suspect that has lessened since Sony moved most of its manufacturing out of china and now the PRC isn't funding the "bash Canon" theme
Yeah l don’t get it l mean l shifted from Nikon Z to Canon Rf & l don’t bash on Nikon or anyone else in fact if the Z bodies suited me better l would happily go back to Nikon it just Canon bodies & autofocus give me what l need but still love Nikon.
Nikon & cannon historically have been battling knocking each other off the 1st place podium if you can imagine a world when you thought of Sony it was because you was looking at your transistor radio🤭 till they bought minolta and entered the real camera market 😝 Really want to see sparks fly? Just remind a Sony fanboy they’re shooting a minolta aka a rose by any other name is still a rose 🤭😆
Thank you Scott. A really great and useful video. I live in the North East of England (UK) and while we don't have the stunning scenery you have in Alaska we certainly get our fair share of low and bad light. Really reassuring to see what excellent results you get when high ISO can't be avoided. Thanks again. John Clark
Thank you so much for your work and your very objective opinion on the Canon R5 II. It's always great to hear well-founded points of view, and your video really brings clarity to aspects that spark a lot of debate. I have a question: have you used the paid Neural Network Image Processing Tool in DPP4? No one seems to ever talk about this feature, and I'm wondering why.
Awesome video! It helped a lot with my research... Because I'm about to buy my first "higher end" camera. Thinking of pairing it with the "newish" RF 200-800. What's your thoughts on this, or do you think I should go for a second hand 500mm f4 EF? I'll add more lenses as I go, but for wildlife photography in South Africa I need a big lens first😂, we don't really get close to the big and hungries here... 😂
I find Lightroom profiles for most Canon cameras are a bit off - too much contrast and the colours aren't quite right. I get better results by building my own linear profile for each camera and using those. It's more work - sometimes quite a lot more work - to rebuild contrast, exposure and colour, and that's before any creative edits. But the difference is night and day - I have much more control over tone and colour. With the Lightroom profiles, I often have to dial back contrast and saturation, but linear profiles allow me to build the amount I want from a very low base. As for DXO = I would not be without it for noise removal. I don't always like the sharpening results - it can sometimes look a bit "wormy" in areas of detail. If I run across that, I just dial it back and I'm usually very happy. Thanks for the video.
Great video! How do you go with high contrast scenes? It’s easier with an entire scene being low light but what about when you have to consider highlights and they are an important part of the image. If preserving the highlights you have to lower your exposure. It’s recovering the shadows that has been a real problem for me. Ends up a mess. I use DXO as well.
you just have to decide where to sacrifice. I haven't really had an issue with this myself. Turn it into low key shot in this situations. There's more than enough dr to get revcovery if needed. But again if its THAT low light its just going to be meh anyway.
Still watching but this video seems to be about DxO rather than the R5 II. I found using it a bit cumbersome several years ago. I may give it another try now. I only wish you'd shown some comparison images of R5 II files as imported directly into Lightroom and using the camera-matching profile. Thanks for your time.
I have been using DXO software since it was introduced, together with Adobe Lightroom. I currently use PhotoLab 7.0 which is now compatible with Canon EOS R5 Mark II files. It is a "must have" addition to process high ISO RAW images taken with R5 Mark II. The latest PhotoLab 8.0 version is already available promising increased image quality at high ISOs. I mainly shoot religious events under very bad illumination and low light conditions. DXO Photolab has saved my life so many times!
It's about both. LR bites when it comes to interpreting the profiles of the cameras. DXO has been the only bit of software excluding the DDP4 that interprets it correctly. And thats all there is on UA-cam currently of LR high ISO images, so I figured anyone watching this has seen the result numbers times. I don't make any money from DXO and I don't even have an affiliate link for them. DXO PureRaw4 takes about 7 seconds to process per image on a MacBook Pro 2 Max. Older pc's it can take up to 45 seconds though. SO a good processor is needed.
Grab the 30 day trial of Dxo Photolab 8 it has the denoise in the 3rd tab plus you can edit your files as well it is like having lightroom and pure raw in 1 program. A note on pure raw 4 it stays running in your system tray when you supposedly close it and it also wants to run in the system tray on start up For those reasons I will not use pure raw 4 until they fix those issues
@@DAVE_WHITE I am not a fan currently of photolab for my workflow and use cases. And I use Mac and the pureraw does not stay active once closed. You can also tell you system what to allow to start up when you reboot etc in windows. And again the dxo pureraw for me is not for Denise, its for camera and lens profiles more than the Denise and sharpening
I own both the R5 and R5ii, and I've noticed that in bright sunlight, using the same settings as you did for ISO 51200, the noise is quite unacceptable in RAW until I apply the AI denoise feature in the newly updated Adobe Camera Raw V. 17. The outcomes were akin to your samples, and I do not use DXO. The final touch-up in Photoshop Beta 26.1 yielded excellent results. However, the results become skewed when using high ISO in low light, as shadow details turn murky, particularly when cropped beyond 60%. Nonetheless, I am quite satisfied with the noise ratio enhancements in the new Canon series. It's worth mentioning that the R3 exhibits less noise due to its lower megapixel density, which allows more light per pixel, thus better countering sensor noise.
Hi Scott, thanks for this high ISO investigation, very revealing ! And I agree DxO does a great job. I'm using DxO PhotoLab instead of everything Adobe.
No. I import and process the image in the DXO PureRaw app then import them into LR. For clothes to lay down. if its wet just rain gear. I use Helly Hanson pants and Simms rain jacket. For just grass dirt, just whatever I don't mind getting dirty. Usually Fjallraven pants and whatever sweatshirt I have on.
Good to see you looking healthy and happy 🙏 Since your health incident has it affected your photography or daily life in anyw way? Wishing you the best
My biggest issue with Lightroom and the R5 MK ii has been with colors. I have almost no color correction needed in Capture One vs. Lightroom where I have to spend quite a bit of time getting the colors to look right. I have a similar workflow to yours but I use Capture One. DxO > Capture One > Photoshop & Camera Raw > Export. Capture One masking is no where near as powerful as Lightroom but good enough for me to create a base image and finish it in Lightroom and Camera Raw.
So I purchased PhotoLab 8, the lastest one. ? do you run all of your photos' you take through DXO? Say I have 500 pics, just process them all or are you going in and picking the ones you want to export to Lightroom Classic?
@@todddrew1192 I run them through DXO PURERAW 4. I cull then images I want to edit and then run them through pureraw and then import into LR classic. Sometimes is 20 images and at other times when I cant decide its a 2 hour process of a 1,000 or more images lol
I have been generally happy with topaz and i paid $$$ for it so itd better but the problem is topaz still does not support r5m2 raw files… and the camera has been out for over a month. Do i want to spend $200 more for DXO? Not sure
DXO PureRaw4 is $79 USD. But try can also just test it free for 30 days same as topaz software. Topaz is not bad for noise reduction but at times it does wonky stuff with the sharpening. Good software still and I own it to fix motion blur at times.
@WILDALASKA How do I get DxO Pure Raw 4 for $79? I just finished up a 14 day free trial. The only price I see is $119. Do you have a discount code? Thanks!
Hi, Sorry to ask you a question on your area rather thon Technical photo stuff. I would like to make a trip in Alaska on 2025. I usually travel alone. What do you recommand to visit ? Thanks a lot and I appreciate your video.
Anywhere really. But just research the migration times of birds and breeding times of animals and you should be good. the Kenai peninsula or Kodiak are both good starting points.
I can and probably will in the future, but I don't use anything custom. I just use it at base settings. only thing I change is where to save the files. You can however reduce the sharpening and noise reduction or increase it now in the newer versions.
Great content. The R5 was and is a good camera but youtuber focused on overheating and ignored the good stuff. Now this mark2 we hear a lot bout lowlight performance and yet you get to see the images u wonder what's the complaints are about
Scott, love the channel. I’m fairly new on processing. R5 100-500 shooter. I do use Lightroom, but I bet my workflow isn’t optimal. I laughed out loud when you said, let’s get into “stupid” range! I download from the card into Lightroom. Cull the images in Lightroom. This is so when I delete them from Lightroom, I also delete from my hard drive. Then I crop and process. Lastly I run through topaz denoise 1x1 after I’m done processing. I’m a weekend warrior and self taught. I would love a video that really dives into the beginner steps in your workflow. Not just “run all the images” through DXO. But more like the steps in how you do that! I also wonder if you shoot auto white balance? The more I process, the more I think this might not be great. Thanks!
I’m a RF 100-500 shooter as well. You should try the 1.4x on it. I was skeptical at first but after I rented that and the 2.0 for a few weeks the 1.4 was perfect. I’m a sunny weather shooter so the light isn’t a problem. It almost never shoot my 1-500 without it now when it’s on a tripod.
I will do an updated workflow video first of the year probably, but I have a workflow video from a year or so ago. check back through my videos and you should be able to find it.
On my R5M2, using DXO for the RAW conversion is significantly better than Adobe Camera RAW. Especially on birds in flight with a blue sky background. ACR bleeds the blue and creates halos. DXO does not. I've found the high ISO performance to be hit and miss depending on the overall lighting and subject material, and of course any cropping done, which makes any noise more apparent. The noise isn't linear depending on the scenario. Same as my R7. Sometimes a high ISO shot will look great, other times not. Hopefully the RAW conversion software will get better as time goes by.
Hello, I follow your video and appreciate your analyse and your pictures. That time I am in trouble because the EF 100-500 has an aperture @500 of 7.1. So for the fox you Give your setup with the EF 100-500 + Ext 1.4 and an aperture of 5.4 at 800mm ! That is not possible. Do you have a new EF 100-500 with a constant aperture ? Excuse my English ! Best regards Mario
I’ve been saying and showing the same on my channel however, there are many people that still live in denial. The sensor in this camera has come up very long way. Especially being stacked.
If I'm not mistaken you're only showing the photos after processing in Deep Prime, I think we'd all appreciate seeing the before and after processing through Deep Prime. But then perhaps it'll be more about Deep Prime's noise reduction than the Canon R5 mk II right from the sensor as captured RAW, or how Lightroom shows it. I use ON1 NoNoise AI / Topaz Denoise AI / Topaz Photo AI, so it's a real apples and oranges comparison for me.
This really isn't about DXO or noise reduction and more about how the MKII looks in low light using correct camera profiles. I could have shown DPP4 like I did in the R7 videos, but I wanted it to be under an hour lol. Its about the color reproduction, aberration, fringing, sharpness, noise, etc. I use DXO on all my cameras regardless of brand. Z8,Z9 Z6III, R8, R5, R5mkII, R7, Zv-e1, etc etc.
Excellent info. I've been testing my R5 Mark II with high ISOs in real world images up to 12,500. I think I'll try higher ISOs and see what I think. I'm also a fan of DxO. I also use Topaz occasionally for its sharpening of blurry shots. Once in a while it saves an image. But I don't understand how people don't see the artifacts and weird colors. Lightroom was terrible when the R5 came out at well. I use CaptureOne, but I believe Lightroom got better. I was using Lightroom before Capture One supported the R5 Mark II. Only acceptable to me with Enhance, which made Lightroom closer to DPP (which I also tested) and Capture One (believe me I have my issues with Capture One as well). DxO still better IMHO. The one thing I wish you had done was show side by side comparisons of 10,000 with some of the higher ones. That's where you see what you are giving up. Worth it to get the shot, but also good to see it can be worth going to a slower shutter speed if the subject isn't moving. Could be wrong, but I suspect the softness of the eye at 51,000 wasn't poor focus.
Thanks for the comment. I checked the other 51k images and it was focus. I just randomly plucked one of the 20-30 images in each burst at the iso range. I didn't check them for sharpness, etc. Just same bird and same burst. I still have topaz for usually motion blur correction, but it's hard to make it not do weird stuff. its usually on an image I can't toss out as I need it for a video not necessarily a wall hanger. I didn't do a before and after as the video isn't really about dox and how it works rather the the LR import doesn't get the camera profile correctly and the closest to dpp4 so far has been DXO. It's more about how the MKII actually performs in low light and in the same workflow I use on all my images regardless of camera. Every image I edit goes through dxo first just to get the profiles correct.
I too have seen a large amount of noise with the R5II in lightroom compared to DPP. I saw this video and then downloaded topaz to check it out. I don't know if you are aware of this (or maybe I am mistaken), but it appears topaz is using AI to denoise the files. It has very similar results as when you use the denoise AI in lightroom. It is not using some special raw processing profile as you are suggesting, unless I am mistaken.
@@WILDALASKA sorry I meant pureraw. Pureraw is using AI to clean up the noise just like lightroom denoise AI. I can tell because if I use it on a picture with high noise with people's faces, it does crazy stuff to their faces, just like the AI noise reduction in lightroom. Pureraw is not using some special profile to clean up the noise
@@dregorax DXO Pure Raw is using it's own custom demosaicing algorithm, it's own custom lens profiles, and its own custom camera matching colour profiles. It has AI denoising, and AI sharpening which are no secret. At the moment, it's denoising is the best available. Usually if you're getting weird created detail the problem isn't the denoise process, it's the sharpening process. Back the sharpening off usually helps but if your noise was really bad, it will have cost you sharpness and detail. Currently, all AI sharpening processes make up weird stuff when they're pushed hard enough to create detail from nothing, whether it's faces or not.
@@daemon1143 yes exactly! It does do a much better job than lightroom with AI denoise, but my only point is that it is not using some custom raw processing to reduce the noise as the OP is suggesting. It is using AI. If you run the same raw files through lightroom AI denoise you will get similar results
You were saying that noise was too high even after 5dmkiv and thinking you would bring it back. I thaught the same, i stilk don't know how did my log2 files go so noisy on last wedding, with iso going from 2500-8000max Its just unbelievable how much noise it had on that clips. So much more than R6mkii. Did anyone else notice that?
Per Canon: Canon has kept the native ISO range of the Canon R5 MKII to a maximum of 51,200, the same as the original R5. And like its predecessor, the R5 II's expanded range tops out at ISO 102,400. Also Expanded: L (equivalent to ISO 50), H1 (equivalent to ISO 204800) and H2 (equivalent to ISO 409600)
This is a very useful review in real world conditions. Thanks for dispelling myths. The fall colors are gorgeous!
Glad it was helpful!
Great info for those of us thinking about buying this camera. Thanks for sharing.
Glad it was helpful!
Great video Scott and real world test. Thank you for pointing out issues with the new faster sensors and how it affects DR performance. It really surprises me how many content creators just bash the R5 II for being worst in IQ over original and a lot of them are Canon shooters. You wouldn't believe how many comments I have seen on other reviews where Nikon shooters said how terrible the R5 II is and what horrible release from Canon. Then went on to say how much better the DR is on Z8 & Z9, it's laughable. I know your pretty much Nikon shooter so I really love how you can still give the R5 II a unbiased review. I guess maybe they just don't get it, all of these camera's made from any manufacture are amazing and they all have things they do better and worst than the competition. There is no perfect camera and never will be, which is fine. But I look at it this way, is it perfect for ME and if I can say yes then that is the best camera for me. But you also mentioned an interesting fact about the Nikon Z8 & Z0 when it got released, how it didn't get the bashing on IQ like Canon did. Can you let me know why do you think content creators do that, especially Nikon shooters? Are they just in such a competition with Canon that they just have to try and tear Canon down every time they come out with a new camera? I don't see Sony shooters doing that nearly as much. I would love to hear your take on that. Again thanks and I can't wait for your next video.
Thanks for the reply. I am actually a Canon shooter that moved into the Nikon cameras a couple years ago.
I can't speak for other folks reviewing the cameras, but I do know how my workflow is and what I have to do or wait for when a new camera is released. Along with that I try to only include what I'm experiencing in the initial use of the camera on early videos and know ill have to wait on videos like this one when I finally can use my full workflow on an image.
Bottom line is the low light of all the cameras is pretty good and all the other advantages outweighs that loss in DR from the DSLR world or slower sensors.
I agree. Sony fans used to be more vocal about bashing Canon, but I suspect that has lessened since Sony moved most of its manufacturing out of china and now the PRC isn't funding the "bash Canon" theme
Yeah l don’t get it l mean l shifted from Nikon Z to Canon Rf & l don’t bash on Nikon or anyone else in fact if the Z bodies suited me better l would happily go back to Nikon it just Canon bodies & autofocus give me what l need but still love Nikon.
Nikon & cannon historically have been battling knocking each other off the 1st place podium if you can imagine a world when you thought of Sony it was because you was looking at your transistor radio🤭 till they bought minolta and entered the real camera market 😝 Really want to see sparks fly? Just remind a Sony fanboy they’re shooting a minolta aka a rose by any other name is still a rose 🤭😆
Thank you Scott. A really great and useful video. I live in the North East of England (UK) and while we don't have the stunning scenery you have in Alaska we certainly get our fair share of low and bad light. Really reassuring to see what excellent results you get when high ISO can't be avoided. Thanks again. John Clark
Glad it was helpful!
Great video Scott, Is the R5II vs Z9/Z8 on the way?
Thanks. Week or 2 hopefully on the vs video
Excellent stuff! Great to see the sensor working well!
Glad you like it!
Thank you so much for your work and your very objective opinion on the Canon R5 II. It's always great to hear well-founded points of view, and your video really brings clarity to aspects that spark a lot of debate. I have a question: have you used the paid Neural Network Image Processing Tool in DPP4? No one seems to ever talk about this feature, and I'm wondering why.
thanks and no I haven't
Great video, are these noise & DR test photos using a mechanical shutter? Or an electronic shutter? tks!
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Awesome video! It helped a lot with my research... Because I'm about to buy my first "higher end" camera. Thinking of pairing it with the "newish" RF 200-800. What's your thoughts on this, or do you think I should go for a second hand 500mm f4 EF? I'll add more lenses as I go, but for wildlife photography in South Africa I need a big lens first😂, we don't really get close to the big and hungries here... 😂
The 200-800 is really good. if you have decent light and can't get close for sure.
I find Lightroom profiles for most Canon cameras are a bit off - too much contrast and the colours aren't quite right. I get better results by building my own linear profile for each camera and using those. It's more work - sometimes quite a lot more work - to rebuild contrast, exposure and colour, and that's before any creative edits. But the difference is night and day - I have much more control over tone and colour. With the Lightroom profiles, I often have to dial back contrast and saturation, but linear profiles allow me to build the amount I want from a very low base. As for DXO = I would not be without it for noise removal. I don't always like the sharpening results - it can sometimes look a bit "wormy" in areas of detail. If I run across that, I just dial it back and I'm usually very happy. Thanks for the video.
Good info.
Great video!
How do you go with high contrast scenes? It’s easier with an entire scene being low light but what about when you have to consider highlights and they are an important part of the image. If preserving the highlights you have to lower your exposure. It’s recovering the shadows that has been a real problem for me. Ends up a mess. I use DXO as well.
you just have to decide where to sacrifice. I haven't really had an issue with this myself. Turn it into low key shot in this situations. There's more than enough dr to get revcovery if needed. But again if its THAT low light its just going to be meh anyway.
Thanks for this! I’ve been starting to consider getting an editing app and will give this a serious look. Shooting with a R7.
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hi Scot
what lens did you use on decR5 MK II in this video. The RF 200-800?
The Ducks was the RF 200-800. You can see it in the EXIF info on the right of the panel also.
Great video and pictures!
Thank you very much!
Still watching but this video seems to be about DxO rather than the R5 II. I found using it a bit cumbersome several years ago. I may give it another try now.
I only wish you'd shown some comparison images of R5 II files as imported directly into Lightroom and using the camera-matching profile. Thanks for your time.
I have been using DXO software since it was introduced, together with Adobe Lightroom. I currently use PhotoLab 7.0 which is now compatible with Canon EOS R5 Mark II files. It is a "must have" addition to process high ISO RAW images taken with R5 Mark II. The latest PhotoLab 8.0 version is already available promising increased image quality at high ISOs. I mainly shoot religious events under very bad illumination and low light conditions. DXO Photolab has saved my life so many times!
It's about both. LR bites when it comes to interpreting the profiles of the cameras. DXO has been the only bit of software excluding the DDP4 that interprets it correctly. And thats all there is on UA-cam currently of LR high ISO images, so I figured anyone watching this has seen the result numbers times.
I don't make any money from DXO and I don't even have an affiliate link for them. DXO PureRaw4 takes about 7 seconds to process per image on a MacBook Pro 2 Max. Older pc's it can take up to 45 seconds though. SO a good processor is needed.
Grab the 30 day trial of Dxo Photolab 8 it has the denoise in the 3rd tab plus you can edit your files as well it is like having lightroom and pure raw in 1 program. A note on pure raw 4 it stays running in your system tray when you supposedly close it and it also wants to run in the system tray on start up For those reasons I will not use pure raw 4 until they fix those issues
@@DAVE_WHITE I am not a fan currently of photolab for my workflow and use cases. And I use Mac and the pureraw does not stay active once closed.
You can also tell you system what to allow to start up when you reboot etc in windows.
And again the dxo pureraw for me is not for Denise, its for camera and lens profiles more than the Denise and sharpening
The plain answer is that the R5 mkii is a little noisier than the R5. BUT, can be cleaned up easily so it’s not a problem.
I own both the R5 and R5ii, and I've noticed that in bright sunlight, using the same settings as you did for ISO 51200, the noise is quite unacceptable in RAW until I apply the AI denoise feature in the newly updated Adobe Camera Raw V. 17. The outcomes were akin to your samples, and I do not use DXO. The final touch-up in Photoshop Beta 26.1 yielded excellent results. However, the results become skewed when using high ISO in low light, as shadow details turn murky, particularly when cropped beyond 60%. Nonetheless, I am quite satisfied with the noise ratio enhancements in the new Canon series. It's worth mentioning that the R3 exhibits less noise due to its lower megapixel density, which allows more light per pixel, thus better countering sensor noise.
Thanks for sharing
Man! thanks a lot! your video make take the decision to buy it!
Glad I could help!
Yes! I had the same issue with Lightroom as well and am working on switching to another program.
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Hi Scott, thanks for this high ISO investigation, very revealing !
And I agree DxO does a great job. I'm using DxO PhotoLab instead of everything Adobe.
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Hi :)! Do you use the DX Plugin for LR before editing the photos?
What clothes you can recommand to lay down into wet ground? :)
No. I import and process the image in the DXO PureRaw app then import them into LR.
For clothes to lay down. if its wet just rain gear. I use Helly Hanson pants and Simms rain jacket. For just grass dirt, just whatever I don't mind getting dirty. Usually Fjallraven pants and whatever sweatshirt I have on.
Good to see you looking healthy and happy 🙏 Since your health incident has it affected your photography or daily life in anyw way? Wishing you the best
Thanks. Its slowed me down as I can't currently do a much as i want as far as hikes and super strenuous excursions.
@@WILDALASKAThank you for the update Scott, I know you'll bounce back stronger than before, great content and keep doing what you love 🙏
My biggest issue with Lightroom and the R5 MK ii has been with colors. I have almost no color correction needed in Capture One vs. Lightroom where I have to spend quite a bit of time getting the colors to look right. I have a similar workflow to yours but I use Capture One. DxO > Capture One > Photoshop & Camera Raw > Export. Capture One masking is no where near as powerful as Lightroom but good enough for me to create a base image and finish it in Lightroom and Camera Raw.
Good info. Thanks
DXO, I'd like to see that process and how you get it into Lightroom Classic.. thanks again.. Amazing shots..
Just run the raw in dxo pureraw 4 to a folder location and then normal import normally into LR
@@WILDALASKA thanks. I’ll look into purchasing it.
@@todddrew1192 it has a 30 day trial also
So I purchased PhotoLab 8, the lastest one. ? do you run all of your photos' you take through DXO? Say I have 500 pics, just process them all or are you going in and picking the ones you want to export to Lightroom Classic?
@@todddrew1192 I run them through DXO PURERAW 4. I cull then images I want to edit and then run them through pureraw and then import into LR classic. Sometimes is 20 images and at other times when I cant decide its a 2 hour process of a 1,000 or more images lol
Thanks Scott, how did Canon Dpp handle the 45mp files? Was it very slow?
slow as usual
I have been generally happy with topaz and i paid $$$ for it so itd better but the problem is topaz still does not support r5m2 raw files… and the camera has been out for over a month. Do i want to spend $200 more for DXO? Not sure
DXO PureRaw4 is $79 USD. But try can also just test it free for 30 days same as topaz software. Topaz is not bad for noise reduction but at times it does wonky stuff with the sharpening. Good software still and I own it to fix motion blur at times.
@@WILDALASKA ill give it a try. What are your thoughts on lightroom “enhance” function ?
Topaz is working on raw support. It's been a few weeks since they replied to my forum post about getting support, so hopefully it happens soon.
@WILDALASKA How do I get DxO Pure Raw 4 for $79? I just finished up a 14 day free trial. The only price I see is $119. Do you have a discount code? Thanks!
@@cathco9 I don't have a discount code sorry.I looked at it yesterday and it ssd $79 and 2even had a payment breakout plan. odd
Hi,
Sorry to ask you a question on your area rather thon Technical photo stuff. I would like to make a trip in Alaska on 2025. I usually travel alone. What do you recommand to visit ? Thanks a lot and I appreciate your video.
Anywhere really. But just research the migration times of birds and breeding times of animals and you should be good. the Kenai peninsula or Kodiak are both good starting points.
@ Thanks a lot for thé info.
Hi, which do you recommend more z8 180 600 or r5 200 800 ? I currently use an em1 mark ii 300 f4. I'm looking for an upgrade..
video incoming on the canon mkii vs the z8. now if you are asking about the r5 mki vs the z8, its the z8
Thanks, man.
Do you think you could produce a quick DXO tutorial and also share with us what you’re using for your custom camera settings?
I can and probably will in the future, but I don't use anything custom. I just use it at base settings. only thing I change is where to save the files. You can however reduce the sharpening and noise reduction or increase it now in the newer versions.
@@WILDALASKA Thank you. Have you created any custom camera import settings for LrC?
Great content. The R5 was and is a good camera but youtuber focused on overheating and ignored the good stuff. Now this mark2 we hear a lot bout lowlight performance and yet you get to see the images u wonder what's the complaints are about
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Scott, love the channel. I’m fairly new on processing. R5 100-500 shooter. I do use Lightroom, but I bet my workflow isn’t optimal. I laughed out loud when you said, let’s get into “stupid” range! I download from the card into Lightroom. Cull the images in Lightroom. This is so when I delete them from Lightroom, I also delete from my hard drive. Then I crop and process. Lastly I run through topaz denoise 1x1 after I’m done processing. I’m a weekend warrior and self taught. I would love a video that really dives into the beginner steps in your workflow. Not just “run all the images” through DXO. But more like the steps in how you do that! I also wonder if you shoot auto white balance? The more I process, the more I think this might not be great. Thanks!
I’m a RF 100-500 shooter as well. You should try the 1.4x on it. I was skeptical at first but after I rented that and the 2.0 for a few weeks the 1.4 was perfect. I’m a sunny weather shooter so the light isn’t a problem. It almost never shoot my 1-500 without it now when it’s on a tripod.
I will do an updated workflow video first of the year probably, but I have a workflow video from a year or so ago. check back through my videos and you should be able to find it.
What do you use for max iso when doing auto iso?
Pretty simple 😙 I don't. I shoot full manual always
You keep referring to DxO; do you use DxO PhotoLab8 or only DxO PureRaw?
Just Pure Raw. Still more flexible in LR and PS for editing. Just need that starting point
Thanks, I’ll take a look at PureRaw. Enjoy your videos! Thanks!
@@RussellRockwood-mw1sr It has a 30 day trial which is nice
On my R5M2, using DXO for the RAW conversion is significantly better than Adobe Camera RAW. Especially on birds in flight with a blue sky background. ACR bleeds the blue and creates halos. DXO does not. I've found the high ISO performance to be hit and miss depending on the overall lighting and subject material, and of course any cropping done, which makes any noise more apparent. The noise isn't linear depending on the scenario. Same as my R7. Sometimes a high ISO shot will look great, other times not. Hopefully the RAW conversion software will get better as time goes by.
Depends on the type of light and color of subject usually.
Hello,
I follow your video and appreciate your analyse and your pictures. That time I am in trouble because the EF 100-500 has an aperture @500 of 7.1. So for the fox you Give your setup with the EF 100-500 + Ext 1.4 and an aperture of 5.4 at 800mm ! That is not possible. Do you have a new EF 100-500 with a constant aperture ?
Excuse my English !
Best regards
Mario
Ef 500 F4 MKII is the lens. And its also a goof in the info graphic as the length would be 700mm @ f/5.6 not 800mm @ f/5.6
@@WILDALASKA Excuse me, I thought we were talking about the RF 100 500 Lens which has a variable aperture.
Sorry
Interesting. I might have to try other software. Colours never look right on my R6 files.
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I’ve been saying and showing the same on my channel however, there are many people that still live in denial. The sensor in this camera has come up very long way. Especially being stacked.
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Thanks for info.
You bet!
If I'm not mistaken you're only showing the photos after processing in Deep Prime, I think we'd all appreciate seeing the before and after processing through Deep Prime. But then perhaps it'll be more about Deep Prime's noise reduction than the Canon R5 mk II right from the sensor as captured RAW, or how Lightroom shows it. I use ON1 NoNoise AI / Topaz Denoise AI / Topaz Photo AI, so it's a real apples and oranges comparison for me.
This really isn't about DXO or noise reduction and more about how the MKII looks in low light using correct camera profiles. I could have shown DPP4 like I did in the R7 videos, but I wanted it to be under an hour lol. Its about the color reproduction, aberration, fringing, sharpness, noise, etc.
I use DXO on all my cameras regardless of brand. Z8,Z9 Z6III, R8, R5, R5mkII, R7, Zv-e1, etc etc.
Excellent info. I've been testing my R5 Mark II with high ISOs in real world images up to 12,500. I think I'll try higher ISOs and see what I think. I'm also a fan of DxO. I also use Topaz occasionally for its sharpening of blurry shots. Once in a while it saves an image. But I don't understand how people don't see the artifacts and weird colors. Lightroom was terrible when the R5 came out at well. I use CaptureOne, but I believe Lightroom got better. I was using Lightroom before Capture One supported the R5 Mark II. Only acceptable to me with Enhance, which made Lightroom closer to DPP (which I also tested) and Capture One (believe me I have my issues with Capture One as well). DxO still better IMHO. The one thing I wish you had done was show side by side comparisons of 10,000 with some of the higher ones. That's where you see what you are giving up. Worth it to get the shot, but also good to see it can be worth going to a slower shutter speed if the subject isn't moving. Could be wrong, but I suspect the softness of the eye at 51,000 wasn't poor focus.
Thanks for the comment.
I checked the other 51k images and it was focus. I just randomly plucked one of the 20-30 images in each burst at the iso range. I didn't check them for sharpness, etc. Just same bird and same burst.
I still have topaz for usually motion blur correction, but it's hard to make it not do weird stuff. its usually on an image I can't toss out as I need it for a video not necessarily a wall hanger.
I didn't do a before and after as the video isn't really about dox and how it works rather the the LR import doesn't get the camera profile correctly and the closest to dpp4 so far has been DXO. It's more about how the MKII actually performs in low light and in the same workflow I use on all my images regardless of camera. Every image I edit goes through dxo first just to get the profiles correct.
@@WILDALASKA Thanks for the reply. I agree 100%.
I too have seen a large amount of noise with the R5II in lightroom compared to DPP. I saw this video and then downloaded topaz to check it out. I don't know if you are aware of this (or maybe I am mistaken), but it appears topaz is using AI to denoise the files. It has very similar results as when you use the denoise AI in lightroom. It is not using some special raw processing profile as you are suggesting, unless I am mistaken.
I don’t use topaz. I use dxo pureraw
@@WILDALASKA sorry I meant pureraw. Pureraw is using AI to clean up the noise just like lightroom denoise AI. I can tell because if I use it on a picture with high noise with people's faces, it does crazy stuff to their faces, just like the AI noise reduction in lightroom. Pureraw is not using some special profile to clean up the noise
@@dregorax DXO Pure Raw is using it's own custom demosaicing algorithm, it's own custom lens profiles, and its own custom camera matching colour profiles. It has AI denoising, and AI sharpening which are no secret. At the moment, it's denoising is the best available. Usually if you're getting weird created detail the problem isn't the denoise process, it's the sharpening process. Back the sharpening off usually helps but if your noise was really bad, it will have cost you sharpness and detail. Currently, all AI sharpening processes make up weird stuff when they're pushed hard enough to create detail from nothing, whether it's faces or not.
@@daemon1143 yes exactly! It does do a much better job than lightroom with AI denoise, but my only point is that it is not using some custom raw processing to reduce the noise as the OP is suggesting. It is using AI. If you run the same raw files through lightroom AI denoise you will get similar results
You were saying that noise was too high even after 5dmkiv and thinking you would bring it back.
I thaught the same, i stilk don't know how did my log2 files go so noisy on last wedding, with iso going from 2500-8000max
Its just unbelievable how much noise it had on that clips. So much more than R6mkii. Did anyone else notice that?
I believe the dual gain on the mkII is 800 and 4000 for video
i Can already tell this was shot in canon log 2 am i correct?
It wasn't shot in log.
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Lightroom denoise is very good as well.
Its ok. The main thing with DXO PureRaw is the camera and lens profiles for the color, aberration, sharpness, noise, etc.
Mark II only goes to 32000 ISO
R6 goes to 102000
Per Canon:
Canon has kept the native ISO range of the Canon R5 MKII to a maximum of 51,200, the same as the original R5. And like its predecessor, the R5 II's expanded range tops out at ISO 102,400.
Also Expanded: L (equivalent to ISO 50), H1 (equivalent to ISO 204800) and H2 (equivalent to ISO 409600)