Siberia was spared the worse of the ice age, the North Pole seemed to be centered on Hudson Bay, where ice was 2 miles thick. But there was no ice in Siberia. A good explanation would be that Siberia was 30 degrees further south until the end of the Ice Age, when there was a shift of land mass. It was a big event. Wiped out the mammoths, mastodons, saber toothed tigers and many others overnight. Exact same time, 11,600 yrs ago, that Plato gave for Atlantean destruction.
While we don't know exactly what Lion Man was to Paleolithics, I think, perhaps, we should go to India for a large part of that answer. In Hindu belief, Lion Man is ancient and is seen as a hero god who fights forces of evil. He is Narashima, the Fourth Avatar of Vishnu. He defeated a monster and a monstrous cult. If we go to more recent times, circa 1500 BCE, he emerges under the new name of Zervan Kronos in the Mithran faith. He is sometimes erroneously called Ahriman, the Lesser God of Evil, who fight Ahura Mazda. Zoroastrian records are better than vague outside scientific sources who are trying to guess what Zervan is and go with Ahriman because they only know of Ahriman. Zervan Kronos only emerges from Zoroastrian sources. Just as Narashima only emerges from Hindu sources.
Idk about Germany but I would assume so. Mountain lions are in Greece and Turkey (Central Asia), they have statuary especially if you look at the Cybele of Çatalhöyük. Lion Man, anatomically a male, is a cougar, a mountain lion. A lack of mane identifies him as a cougar. Lack of breasts identify him as a male but he is sometimes consider a woman because of the lack of a mane. Go cougar and yes, he is a male. Last to consider, Lion Man was created 40 millennia ago. Sabre tooths and other felines are all over the place so why not Germany?
@@cheryldeboissiere7824 Actually, cave lions were a different species than mountain lions, or cougars, and the modern desert lions of the mid-east, It was maneless, and about 25% larger than any living lion species today.
Even if that 1949 book weren't full of problems (as the reviews of it I found indicate), it still only speculates about bronze-age societies, which are at most about 5000 years old. Hardly a valid reference for something 40,000 years old, from a society which no one can legitimately pontificate on. Beyond that, you may want to look up what a split infinitive is. It's not a valid grammar complaint in English, but it does have a definition, which bears no resemblance to your odd "criticism".
In what way was TrueThanny's comment at all mean that? The comment pointed out that we can't know that the art is totemic. Claiming that the art is totemic is wrong whether you are a man or a women. Your post confuses me.
Grimaldi, modern man, enters Europe @ 40,000 years ago. ANY notice of Artistic finds, based upon what was discussed here, could have been attributed to them. Modern man, in the form of what today is called the Caucasian, begins to emerge between @ 25,000 to 20,000 BCE. Thus the difference in artistic display. No mention that the 40,000 BCE figurines display fat distribution similar to AFRICAN women. No mention of the 43,000 BCE iron smelting mines or 20,000 BCE Garamund ART in Africa.
They pick and choose, when and how they unify or dis-unify Europe. Not enough people hold them accountable. Especially for the slights they display in this video.
It is an unproven and pop culture assumption that the 45,000 year old Hohle Fels flute (Higham, 2012) is a music technology, when worldwide ethnographic studies of ancient, and even more modern primitive cultures demonstrate that technologies commonly considered to be musical, are in fact linguistic communication devices. The Benčnon tone language of Ethiopia can be whistled with the lips, whistled with the hands, and plucked on a 5 string instrument (the Krar). For those who are uninitiated, listening to the Benčnon language being communicated via the Krar would be perceived to sound like music, though it is not. In more recent history, the Aztecs were clearly communicating language through what were perceived by the original Western ethnographers to be musical instruments such as the Huehuetl and Teponaztli. The Huehuetl was defined by the two vowels (i) and (o) of the Náhuatl language, and the Teponaztli was defined by the consonants (t) and (k). This is one reason why no Aztec music was ever transcribed into Western notation, because the music notation was not capable of capturing the advanced linguistic sound component, and was mystifying to the ethnographers. In ancient India, the 7 swaras (pitches) of the Indian scale were also the sound of the akshara vowels, and the consonants were defined through duration patterns of the tala. The concept of music is then very intertwined with the concept of whistled speech where vowels and consonants are defined through pitch and duration. These are but a few examples. It then seems very unlikely that a 45,000 year old 'flute-like' device would magically be a musical instrument, separate from language communication, when historical and archaeological evidence from the past few thousand years to the present of cultures across the globe points to a very different interpretation.
@1:10... *_"it doesn't exist in nature... you had to invent this"..._* hmm... well... i don't think so... experience is the greatest teacher... what we are looking at is not some work of the imagination... but it is associated with an experience...
I think I have to give up on convincing you that it's simply impossible for any book to accurately describe the society in which the lion man artifact was created. I'll also pass on grammar lessons from someone who doesn't know what a split infinitive is. Taking that risk would be, at the very least, partially unjustified.
Jaguar warriors, eagle warriors all of these military structures who we recently documented, so why could it not have been cave lions killed and filet for the skin and it's head to be worn and proceedings the battle agains the not good on earth...but at a certain time the meteorite struck and the only way to escape the plume of dirt and sulfur falling down on earth was to flee , the neantherdal reached the inchanting German caves and even french caves...where he made more time for sex lust and romance after witnessing what a meteorite of that scale can do in an instand and how it (nature can behave)...probably the first ones to create sex toys and erotic depictions of their females and for their females...
so much presumption. so much speculation. How many theories need to be propounded, believed for decades, and then contradicted, for the public to realize that most "experts" are nothing more than creative speculators?
Hypothesis is the start, then it goes through many investigations. Then it becomes a theory, if it gets more proofs it becomes a law. Amazing isn’t it.
The lion man is 40,000 years old. Neither you nor anyone else has any clue whatsoever what the sculptor intended. Claiming that it is totemic is entirely unjustified. There is no "real meaning" available. Discussing it, then, would be an exercise in unsupported conjecture.
Are you actually prepared to discuss a book you have not already read..How risible is that...In fact it does discuss Pre-Historic issues as it's title suggests..The fact it was written in 1949 detracts for you ? Don't read Darwin or Marx etc then. ( It is, strictly speaking, wrong to qualify the word unjustified. I have no more to say to you...bye.)
From the sound of it, she's reached a toxic gender war view of the world, and trying to use reason with her is futile, as she no doubt never touched the stuff on route.
ie Men always know best...always the authority...shut up woman..etc.. etc..do not reply to this pls...YOU have had the last word..as far as I am concerned.
"Something was going on, something special". No. Its called cold winters and enforced sedentarism. You're stuck in your cave and itchin to do something. So you whittle with what's on hand. You have time every winter to keep working on stuff. People like it and imbue it with meaning. So you make more and trade for other stuff. People in your cave see the benefits of you whittling and stop bitching about your hobby. Maybe they try it too. Thousands of years later, there's some polished peices and some crappy pieces that survive.
Siberia was spared the worse of the ice age, the North Pole seemed to be centered on Hudson Bay, where ice was 2 miles thick. But there was no ice in Siberia. A good explanation would be that Siberia was 30 degrees further south until the end of the Ice Age, when there was a shift of land mass.
It was a big event. Wiped out the mammoths, mastodons, saber toothed tigers and many others overnight. Exact same time, 11,600 yrs ago, that Plato gave for Atlantean destruction.
Alice we love you
I love the people who carved this
Wonderful the sound of the flute what can one say .
Is there a longer version of this somewhere? Please say yes, please say yes, please say yes. 😫
It is so remarkable what you may find on UA-cam ! I wonder if the lion man could be a shaman or a god ?
While we don't know exactly what Lion Man was to Paleolithics, I think, perhaps, we should go to India for a large part of that answer. In Hindu belief, Lion Man is ancient and is seen as a hero god who fights forces of evil. He is Narashima, the Fourth Avatar of Vishnu. He defeated a monster and a monstrous cult.
If we go to more recent times, circa 1500 BCE, he emerges under the new name of Zervan Kronos in the Mithran faith. He is sometimes erroneously called Ahriman, the Lesser God of Evil, who fight Ahura Mazda. Zoroastrian records are better than vague outside scientific sources who are trying to guess what Zervan is and go with Ahriman because they only know of Ahriman. Zervan Kronos only emerges from Zoroastrian sources. Just as Narashima only emerges from Hindu sources.
Breathtaking! Amazing!
come back
Just when you think Alice couldn't be more gorgeous, here she is radiant in pregnancy. x
I think the first humans to reach Australia produced rock art 40,000 years ago.
Oh, I did get excited when I saw "Birmingham" for a moment there, thought I was off to the local Museum, oh well! But what an exhibition! ^_^
*i've heard different about neanderthal...* as far as artwork and a bunch of stuff... including their contributions to our DNA....
Were there lions in Germany 40,000 yrs ago? If so source please, thanks!
Idk about Germany but I would assume so. Mountain lions are in Greece and Turkey (Central Asia), they have statuary especially if you look at the Cybele of Çatalhöyük.
Lion Man, anatomically a male, is a cougar, a mountain lion. A lack of mane identifies him as a cougar.
Lack of breasts identify him as a male but he is sometimes consider a woman because of the lack of a mane. Go cougar and yes, he is a male.
Last to consider, Lion Man was created 40 millennia ago. Sabre tooths and other felines are all over the place so why not Germany?
@@cheryldeboissiere7824 Actually, cave lions were a different species than mountain lions, or cougars, and the modern desert lions of the mid-east, It was maneless, and about 25% larger than any living lion species today.
The Paleo Richard Wagner's, Ludwig van Beethoven's & Rainer Maria Rilke's ...
I think that dog man /bear head man was real animal and still is
Even if that 1949 book weren't full of problems (as the reviews of it I found indicate), it still only speculates about bronze-age societies, which are at most about 5000 years old. Hardly a valid reference for something 40,000 years old, from a society which no one can legitimately pontificate on.
Beyond that, you may want to look up what a split infinitive is. It's not a valid grammar complaint in English, but it does have a definition, which bears no resemblance to your odd "criticism".
Nice timelapse and fascinating stuff!
In what way was TrueThanny's comment at all mean that? The comment pointed out that we can't know that the art is totemic. Claiming that the art is totemic is wrong whether you are a man or a women. Your post confuses me.
With Thanny, from what I gather, just citing female artifacts kicks off a gender war. He's bonky!
Grimaldi, modern man, enters Europe @ 40,000 years ago. ANY notice of Artistic finds, based upon what was discussed here, could have been attributed to them. Modern man, in the form of what today is called the Caucasian, begins to emerge between @ 25,000 to 20,000 BCE. Thus the difference in artistic display. No mention that the 40,000 BCE figurines display fat distribution similar to AFRICAN women. No mention of the 43,000 BCE iron smelting mines or 20,000 BCE Garamund ART in Africa.
Shame we could not hear the music they played on the flute.
They pick and choose, when and how they unify or dis-unify Europe. Not enough people hold them accountable. Especially for the slights they display in this video.
Lol she sounds like the female version of professor Brian Cox lol
wonder upon wonder upon it all
They talk about Siberia as if it were part of Europe.
Boy that closing Europe question is dense. Is that what they teach at the Universality of Birmingham?!
My dog reacted to the flute sound. He jump up
It is an unproven and pop culture assumption that the 45,000 year old Hohle Fels flute (Higham, 2012) is a music technology, when worldwide ethnographic studies of ancient, and even more modern primitive cultures demonstrate that technologies commonly considered to be musical, are in fact linguistic communication devices. The Benčnon tone language of Ethiopia can be whistled with the lips, whistled with the hands, and plucked on a 5 string instrument (the Krar). For those who are uninitiated, listening to the Benčnon language being communicated via the Krar would be perceived to sound like music, though it is not. In more recent history, the Aztecs were clearly communicating language through what were perceived by the original Western ethnographers to be musical instruments such as the Huehuetl and Teponaztli. The Huehuetl was defined by the two vowels (i) and (o) of the Náhuatl language, and the Teponaztli was defined by the consonants (t) and (k). This is one reason why no Aztec music was ever transcribed into Western notation, because the music notation was not capable of capturing the advanced linguistic sound component, and was mystifying to the ethnographers. In ancient India, the 7 swaras (pitches) of the Indian scale were also the sound of the akshara vowels, and the consonants were defined through duration patterns of the tala. The concept of music is then very intertwined with the concept of whistled speech where vowels and consonants are defined through pitch and duration. These are but a few examples. It then seems very unlikely that a 45,000 year old 'flute-like' device would magically be a musical instrument, separate from language communication, when historical and archaeological evidence from the past few thousand years to the present of cultures across the globe points to a very different interpretation.
Color Wheel Music Theory, why not both?
@1:10... *_"it doesn't exist in nature... you had to invent this"..._* hmm... well... i don't think so... experience is the greatest teacher... what we are looking at is not some work of the imagination... but it is associated with an experience...
Time on there hands. Ice age man smart
Mom, providing a operating by Gathering. While man hunted/gathers from mind.
That is the most worst grammar argument I have ever heard.
I think I have to give up on convincing you that it's simply impossible for any book to accurately describe the society in which the lion man artifact was created.
I'll also pass on grammar lessons from someone who doesn't know what a split infinitive is. Taking that risk would be, at the very least, partially unjustified.
Just, you know, for the trololols
Jaguar warriors, eagle warriors all of these military structures who we recently documented, so why could it not have been cave lions killed and filet for the skin and it's head to be worn and proceedings the battle agains the not good on earth...but at a certain time the meteorite struck and the only way to escape the plume of dirt and sulfur falling down on earth was to flee , the neantherdal reached the inchanting German caves and even french caves...where he made more time for sex lust and romance after witnessing what a meteorite of that scale can do in an instand and how it (nature can behave)...probably the first ones to create sex toys and erotic depictions of their females and for their females...
So of course you can do better now. With big stone tools.
Big rock,
make tools.
Caveman
no fool
*the lion man...imaginary...* within man... lay all the functions of creation... someone said that... i don't think it's been proven yet... lately...
so much presumption. so much speculation. How many theories need to be propounded, believed for decades, and then contradicted, for the public to realize that most "experts" are nothing more than creative speculators?
Well, thats just how science works. Things are understood until new findings change the current understanding.
Hypothesis is the start, then it goes through many investigations. Then it becomes a theory, if it gets more proofs it becomes a law. Amazing isn’t it.
The lion man is 40,000 years old. Neither you nor anyone else has any clue whatsoever what the sculptor intended. Claiming that it is totemic is entirely unjustified.
There is no "real meaning" available. Discussing it, then, would be an exercise in unsupported conjecture.
Are you actually prepared to discuss a book you have not already read..How risible is that...In fact it does discuss Pre-Historic issues as it's title suggests..The fact it was written in 1949 detracts for you ? Don't read Darwin or Marx etc then. ( It is, strictly speaking, wrong to qualify the word unjustified. I have no more to say to you...bye.)
From the sound of it, she's reached a toxic gender war view of the world, and trying to use reason with her is futile, as she no doubt never touched the stuff on route.
Professor Alice, is looking a tad pregnant....
I don't believe the lion man.... bet it's a fake of sorts
ie Men always know best...always the authority...shut up woman..etc.. etc..do not reply to this pls...YOU have had the last word..as far as I am concerned.
Most worst grammar !! Ha ha! Did you say that on purpose..? ha ha.
"Something was going on, something special".
No.
Its called cold winters and enforced sedentarism. You're stuck in your cave and itchin to do something. So you whittle with what's on hand. You have time every winter to keep working on stuff. People like it and imbue it with meaning. So you make more and trade for other stuff. People in your cave see the benefits of you whittling and stop bitching about your hobby. Maybe they try it too. Thousands of years later, there's some polished peices and some crappy pieces that survive.