I actually chastise channels who do create legitimate science content but use clickbaity titles of thumbnails. For the simple fact that those two things are exactly what I look for so that I do NOT click. So by using them they're only doing themselves a *_disservice_* in my opinion.
The problem is exponentially harder than described. The signal sent by A Sign in Space's was (after removing noise), a binary message at a known frequency. We won't know either of those in a real message, or several other key things. Here are some I thought of: - What range of frequencies does the message cover? - Is the message on more than one frequency like having audio on one channel and video on one or more other channels? - Do different parts of the message have different Doppler shifts due to something at the source or between them and us? - How long is each bit transmitted? In other words, what is the baud rate? A one page document may take ten minutes or a billionth of a second. - Is more than one transmission rate used, like old acoustic modems where the first part of a message is at a standard slow speed, but it just tells you how fast the rest of it is? - Does the encoding use two (1/0), three (-1/0/1), nine, or some other number of possible values for a bit? - Are all the bits the same length, or is that part of the encoding? - Are there spaces (delays) between each bit? If so, do they occur periodically (e.g., after each byte), after each group of information like a paragraph marker, or something else?
@@silvioscocco8087 Yes, of course and the experiment is trying to determine the most efficient and intuitive way to crack such a code (or to form a message for that matter.) I think if the E.T. seek contact then it's reasonable for them to include physical symbols. If they use multiple channels they somehow will relate the mode of communication, etc. They seek contact is the presumption and if they do exactly that they will try to make sure that they are understood with as little error as possible (and setting aside possible ideological differences.) But, presumably nobody with a communication wish would risk misinformation at this point, as it's easy gain, compared to visiting.
Thanks to playing the citizen scientists protein game FoldIt, I recognized what that decided image was depicting! Granted, I'm just an uneducated player, but I knew what it was related to those type of building blocks. Thank you, FoldIt! ♥️
@@elmurcis1, it's happened multiple times here, so it's not an unreasonable guess -- for a planet like ours. The probability that any sentient-sapient, spacefaring life apart from ours reasons as we do and expresses itself as we do, however, is slim. How would you even express to an alien race the physical constants we use, since any species sufficiently advanced to have interstellar travel (that doesn't use generation ships) probably doesn't regard those constants as constants?
@1axcohn1;• we recognize and label these as constants for a simple reason. Tell, why should ET not also see the same? Likely they have a different number base. That wont change a constant. Of course it's nonsense to show them a 3.14159 without providing information that our numbers are based on 10, and the same nonsense just using PI, written and symbolic. All 3 infos in 1 lesson are needed. That is only within the initial stage of defining a common base for finding out a way of communication. 🚀🏴☠️🎸
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for humans, at current, yes that is not just true, it is beyond just conversation the idea of sending any useful information through the galaxy for humans is absurd. But we know, as humans that we historically valued information that took years, or decades to reach us. And we have more then just a small inkling of knowledge about why we age and pass away and that these things that age us should be capable of halting. And we know of other animals and lifeforms that do not age. So we can conclude that for Humans, at least modern humans without any forced hibernation or radical age extension, the galaxy is too large to worry about signals sent afar, but for *life itself* that signal lag has a chance to not be an issue at all. Whatever is out there might be slow moving, slower aging behomoths of unfathomable age who count to four and watch planets form and get destroyed.
Indeed, and it is highly unlikely any civilizations would use EM wave to communicate. It is as absurd as trying to spot pigeons or smoke signals at the other end of the galaxy... Probably a total waste of tax payer money. The chance of finding by accident a civilization from outer space leaking EM communication is close to 0. It is very likely that the narrow probability we find a potentially technologically synchronized civilization located in our neighborhood (100 light years away which would be evolving at the same "speed" as we do) is just 0. Furthermore, our own EM communications are travelling less and less distance and are getting digital/encrypted making them harder to detect from background noise... Guess what else is producing "random" EM waves? Virtually all astronimical bodies.... total waste of time. Getting a positive signal is certainly as probable as finding a specific needle in our entire galaxy...
Interesting idea, and it will satisfy many people who have asked for such a thing. But... well, I highly recommend _Solaris_ by Stanislaw Lem. There was a really good translation for sale at one time on amazon. The situation depicted in that work of fiction is something closer to the type of communication problem I think we are going to encounter. We also are working from the assumption that the data we might receive is a message of some kind. It might be internal machine instructions intended for a "dumb" mechanical device we cannot being to understand the purpose of (just an example, it could be many many things other than a message).
Here's how I'd send messages out into space: put a grid of satellites in orbit around the sun where each satellite has two modes: 1) allow all light through, 2) block as much light as possible. Then you sync some sort of binary 1001010011 message out into space at the speed of light across the whole electromagnetic spectrum (at least the spectrum produced by our sun). A blinking dot in the sky would have to catch someone's attention. (I haven't calculated what density this grid would need in order to block enough light.)
This would actually make a lot more sense than sending messages using underpowered radio transmitters as we did in the past. Even if, for example, we were to send a data stream with a highly focused 1-gigawatt radio transmitter, then only a few photons per minute would hit a 1000-meter radio antenna at a distance of 10 lightyears.
Considering the sun has a diameter 109 times that of the earth I doubt that you're going to be able to block much sunlight with present technology. As I tend to towards the idea that evolution is universal and aliens will have evolved like us in an environment of survival of the fittest, I fear what will happen if we are discovered by an intelligent alien species. Trying to understand the true intentions of a species that evolved elsewhere and betting the survival of your own species on getting it right , may prompt all alien species where possible to wipe out any potential rivals before it happens to them. I think it's best to stay hidden until we're sure of what is happening out there as we may find out that previous earth mass extinctions in the past were times when our planet was discovered by extra terrestrials.....
I can't help but think that even this message is too "human" to represent anything alien. Like the image representing molecules...it may seem obvious to us that representing something by literal numbers of pixels might be universal but in reality there's no reason why it would be. Even the basic representation of numbers might be "too alien". It would be really hard to come up with something truly alien though. It's hard to separate out human thinking in a project like this.
This is a great idea and well done to the people who decided it and partially decided it. What if though a signal arrived that wasn't aimed at conveying information to what to the sender would be an extra planetary civilisation, i.e. us, in other words not intended to be read by "aliens", but was a communication within a star system, say from a home planet to one of its extra planetary colonies, and continued over many light years until it was picked up on Earth. So not a sophisticated set of ultimately recognisable symbols, like molecular patterns or atomic structures but speech or text in a language and/or script we could not possibly decipher and translate, this on top of any alien coding system that might be employed. There are ancient texts here on Earth & we don't know the language represented or how the alphabet worked. The alien transmission would reveal an alien intelligence out there somewhere but that would be as much as we could clean from it.
7:24 An alien just tapped Anton on the shoulder. Since Christmas seems to be marketed earlier each year I'm tempted to say "BEHIND YOU!!!" in the good old pantomime way...
One little problem is that if different companies and businesses start filling the local cosmos with " fake" alien signals to the point where nobody will put much effort into searching for the genuine article anymore. Maybe it'll become practically impossible to detect the real thing.
5:15 you missed the possibility that we're the only species trusting enough to advertise our location, and everyone else assumes the dark forrest is real (even if they're benevolent).
Any message from space would begin with one or more pictographs, followed by mathematics, then physics. This theme of creating an "anticryptographic" (easy-to-solve) message was explored in 1972 in an SF volume titled, _The Listeners,_ by James E. Gunn. (Which also, at the time, depicted the first black US president.) Edit: I found copies available on the ama of zon. Note that there are multiple novels with this title; you want the James Gunn novel.
05:00 - Conway's game of life. I laughed when I decoded it. - best to let others see the funny side - almost as funny as the space invaders scene / dance. 06:00 - Do beings without ears think to look for radio waves? 07:15 Yeah.
Hey Anton, ypu rememeber the movie Contact? Is it possibke to actually form a message in the way that the "aliens" did in there. With folding it and turning it into an actual equation?
The proposition is interesting, but there is a major flaw. This Mimic message was made by human minds, for human minds to decode. The assumption is that the alien sending a message to the universe would send a key to the message. If we just stumble across a random snippet, intended for inter-species communication, would we have a frame of reference to even begin to decode it? Cheers Anton.
Interestingly a premise of the message is a correlation between alien and human way of understanding the environment. We are convinced that our scientific knowledge is not only correct, but also the only correct one, although we haven't yet mastered to develop a unified theory of everything. What if the foundation lies in pure mathematics or even numerology (considered pseudo science)? Or some approach we haven't ever even considered? We could miss 99% of the messages easily... An intresting video would be one dedicated to the technics used to decipher possible alien signals
It is possible that we might be able to. but it's gonna be extremely difficult. Just look at the issiues the Germans had whit the Navajo code speakers during ww2. Trying to communicate in any capasity with a foreign life form, might just be the most difficult thing our species ever could try to do. But at the same time it might not even be remotely as hard to do as we imagine it to be. We can use sound, images and videos to convey things. And if they can see and hear as we do, then they might be able to do the same. Heck we might not even need to do anything. Or simply send them a censured version of our internet to them. and they could do the work themselfe, IF they are the superior tecnological species.
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I appreciate your videos showing the varied ideas and findings . But my question is the wave pattern of one through space breaks many relative law by vibration knowledge and noise incurred points. Are we insulated from the start of the sound ? Are we supposed to be ? If space is silent , then why are there waves. I know , it's been recorded per request . Then we must say it's not as any rhythm of sequence from my last check. We might want to think it through. We know light connects to everything it seems to touch but we don't handle dark conversations the same. Is there any good reason?
Alien life could be so vastly different that we can't decode their message. Decoding something that was made by humans doesn't tell us anything other than we have a bunch of amateur enthusiast that would help out
Unlike the rest of the teams , the gathering the notes of data was a long the lines of computer given gates except there's more to the x and o process and it was a mathematical equation not to be fowl or rabbited for their less desired results .
I'm surprised you haven't mentioned Simon Holland's videos he has posted recently concerning the same subject of Seti, and other signals they've kept hush hush.
What happens if they finish decoding and in the middle it says "Eck Eck"? Well, knowing scientists, this could be.. They sometimes have a sense of humor.
I mean, assuming from day 1 of us useing radio/tv, they would see it as some sort of radiations if they were looking, I would think they would have to know filter out other radiations from space itself. Then now alot of our transmiting is digital. Seems like a pretty tough challenge for both of us to realize what is and what isn't, but at least if they did they might be entertained. And we can't even listen to subspace communications, even if there was such a way to send info faster than light. Since I'm not going to wait 1000 years for them to reply, why would they?
Hi. I've been watching your channel for long time, you are a smart person, keep it going. As a creature which remembers it's 2 past life's, and one of those wasn't earth(having proofs), I ensure, that radio wave technology is very primitive and mostly it's usage by any civilization has a very short period of time, due to fast evolution, self destruction , adaptations by more evolved civilizations - if the mentality is right. If you want to make aliens laugh, make a video about Dyson's sphere:😂😂
Unfortunately the artist in the group thought it would make sense if the message did not make sense. An encoded 3D star chart or a encoded image of Earth or Mars would have been a better choice. But any real message would probably been undecipherabe as it would have been cryptographically encoded in the first place.
I'm curious if anyone else thought it was a missed opportunity to have the father daughter image of Ellie and Ted Arroway at their radio, from the movie Contact, instead of the joggers? I like the idea of practicing signals from other planets,, but I wonder if we could have an AI create a signal, since that is the closest to "alien" we will get? Would we be able to decode it without AI, I wonder?
Intelligent, technological E-Ts must be extremely rare. Yet intelligence existed before radio Tech.. Intelligent, technological species may exist but have a time limit before extinction. And considering the vast expanse of time, it's no wonder that intra-species radio communication is never takes hold.
i’m a firm believer that we need some ultra simple data to basically indicate that it’s not just random noise. my suggestion is do some counting in binary. very simple, incredibly unlikely to happen by chance.
Anything that has some kind of formal structure to it will show up in the entropy as patterns. The pasterns give the hints as to which common structures to test for :) > With a decent computer and some time you can pull more of the less common patterns out of the previous patterns.
@@axle.student ok but anyone who works with binary regularly could identify binary counting pretty quickly, it’s a very simple pattern that wouldn’t need sophisticated algorithms to find. now you could do stuff like count up from 0 to the max value to represent 1, and count down to represent 0, or the reverse, and count in binary by counting in binary, which would be easier to identify with a computer.
@@morgan0 "ok but anyone who works with binary regularly could identify binary counting pretty quickly, " Very much what I said above + :) I do it by eye in binary, hex, decimal and character as well as image (Sort of matrix style). But my computer algorithms makes it all much faster :P There are many different techniques :) Finding it isn't too hard (even if encoded), decoding it if it is encrypted/encoded is a lot more work :)
@@morgan0 Fun fact: PI is used for seeding randoms in encoding because it is the most random number we have, yet the pattern and entropy shows up easily even after encoding. Encoding can quite quickly be matched with PI if it is used :) That's just one step in many for decoding data.
Maybe changed in some way, destroyed, or in the case of what you said ' how intact:. If its fractal ' then if partially destroyed' could be deciphered from that fractured?/fractal chunk. Translinier wave form? And what frequency? Narrow band if I'm not mistaken would be best. 🧩
dude.... this blows my mind. If we fed it human languages to the point we could remove the knowledge of a language and it would be able to decode and understand the language again based PURELY off its knowledge of other languages... holy shit. I have to stop this comment, I could go on for hours about this its so crazy and interesting. The shock, fear, and joy of creating something like this and finding out it works would be unimaginable... the shock, fear, and joy of SETI using it and coming back with results... Kind of gives me the itch to write a Sci-fi story like that. "First contact" is us using AI to decode an alien transmission... it works, and what it says changes the course of human history and culture forever. "Very Spooky." -JMG
It seems to me that METI is something along the lines of hypothetically in the real world, Moldavia sending a signal to Putin saying: "We like Russian tanks, too". Our Good Luck is that there seems to be nobody in reach to even hear us.
Can I just thank you for your ‘Anti-Clickbait’ video titles. It’s a sign of your seriousness and classiness.
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Here, here! His scientfic professionlism is the very reason I watch him.
Amen.
I actually chastise channels who do create legitimate science content but use clickbaity titles of thumbnails. For the simple fact that those two things are exactly what I look for so that I do NOT click. So by using them they're only doing themselves a *_disservice_* in my opinion.
It's a big part of why I regularly watch his stuff.
Aww, that's so cute. We simulated a signal from another planet by sending ourselves a signal from another planet.
We're just that lonely.
But look what could happen if it was real. We need more funding.
Haha props for the honesty in the title here! Appreciated, I stopped by to listen and drop a like/comment because of that.
yea same
RIP Peanut and Fred. You deserved better from us humans.
What happened was so 🤬 wrong!!
@@pugowner1347The same type of humans want to take away our rights and depopulate
What does this do with the video?
We have BEEN saying ACAB but apparently a squirrel > poor people.
"We've been trying to reach you about your Mars Rover's extended warranty..."
Anton is the official “no nonsense” alien aficionado!
Appreciate you, thanks for your content Anton. 😊
If the aliens are reading this, please knock on Anton's door first when you get here. I can't wait to see the look on his face!
Thank you, Anton! Nobody does this genre better! 💙
Stay wonderful yourself mate, thanks for the daily science updates! ☺
The anti-clickbait is what makes me click on videos nowadays. Props to you :)
Waiting for the experiment designers to say, "Wait, that's not our message at all."
I would watch that movie!
Simulates a traffic ticket, with video, issued to a space traveller for exceeding the light speed limit.
It's an alien fleet off the outer rim of mars rebroadcasting human signals with a twist.
Like a teacher sending your work back graded with corrections 😂
Anton, you are a gift to humanity. Thank you. ❤
The problem is exponentially harder than described. The signal sent by A Sign in Space's was (after removing noise), a binary message at a known frequency.
We won't know either of those in a real message, or several other key things. Here are some I thought of:
- What range of frequencies does the message cover?
- Is the message on more than one frequency like having audio on one channel and video on one or more other channels?
- Do different parts of the message have different Doppler shifts due to something at the source or between them and us?
- How long is each bit transmitted? In other words, what is the baud rate? A one page document may take ten minutes or a billionth of a second.
- Is more than one transmission rate used, like old acoustic modems where the first part of a message is at a standard slow speed, but it just tells you how fast the rest of it is?
- Does the encoding use two (1/0), three (-1/0/1), nine, or some other number of possible values for a bit?
- Are all the bits the same length, or is that part of the encoding?
- Are there spaces (delays) between each bit? If so, do they occur periodically (e.g., after each byte), after each group of information like a paragraph marker, or something else?
Why don't you take part in the experiment? You seem to have a lot of ideas and to find the ideas is the goal.
I think what @pathar said is that a real alien message will be more difficult to "crack" because of all the points described.
@@silvioscocco8087 Yes, of course and the experiment is trying to determine the most efficient and intuitive way to crack such a code (or to form a message for that matter.)
I think if the E.T. seek contact then it's reasonable for them to include physical symbols. If they use multiple channels they somehow will relate the mode of communication, etc.
They seek contact is the presumption and if they do exactly that they will try to make sure that they are understood with as little error as possible (and setting aside possible ideological differences.)
But, presumably nobody with a communication wish would risk misinformation at this point, as it's easy gain, compared to visiting.
Well yeah. And anyone who actually works in the field knows that. This was just a fun demonstration to engage the public!
Thanks to playing the citizen scientists protein game FoldIt, I recognized what that decided image was depicting!
Granted, I'm just an uneducated player, but I knew what it was related to those type of building blocks.
Thank you, FoldIt! ♥️
My first guess with this image was "We look like coconut crabs and we're coming to get you." Hopefully aliens are smarter than me.
uh you got coconuts? gimme, gimme.
Yep that’s brut 😂 funny
Weirdly enough it would confirm one of biggest questions ever - "Yes, everything in Universe is trying to evolve into crab!"
@@elmurcis1, it's happened multiple times here, so it's not an unreasonable guess -- for a planet like ours. The probability that any sentient-sapient, spacefaring life apart from ours reasons as we do and expresses itself as we do, however, is slim. How would you even express to an alien race the physical constants we use, since any species sufficiently advanced to have interstellar travel (that doesn't use generation ships) probably doesn't regard those constants as constants?
@1axcohn1;• we recognize and label these as constants for a simple reason. Tell, why should ET not also see the same? Likely they have a different number base. That wont change a constant. Of course it's nonsense to show them a 3.14159 without providing information that our numbers are based on 10, and the same nonsense just using PI, written and symbolic. All 3 infos in 1 lesson are needed. That is only within the initial stage of defining a common base for finding out a way of communication.
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LIghtspeed is too slow for a galactic conversation.
There is an other way.
Know thy self. Delphy
I know nothing. Socrates
I am not a thing.
I am that i am.
Awareness.
There is only one Awareness .
From that zero dimension you are looking.🎉
for humans, at current, yes that is not just true, it is beyond just conversation the idea of sending any useful information through the galaxy for humans is absurd.
But we know, as humans that we historically valued information that took years, or decades to reach us.
And we have more then just a small inkling of knowledge about why we age and pass away and that these things that age us should be capable of halting. And we know of other animals and lifeforms that do not age.
So we can conclude that for Humans, at least modern humans without any forced hibernation or radical age extension, the galaxy is too large to worry about signals sent afar,
but for *life itself* that signal lag has a chance to not be an issue at all. Whatever is out there might be slow moving, slower aging behomoths of unfathomable age who count to four and watch planets form and get destroyed.
Indeed, and it is highly unlikely any civilizations would use EM wave to communicate. It is as absurd as trying to spot pigeons or smoke signals at the other end of the galaxy... Probably a total waste of tax payer money. The chance of finding by accident a civilization from outer space leaking EM communication is close to 0. It is very likely that the narrow probability we find a potentially technologically synchronized civilization located in our neighborhood (100 light years away which would be evolving at the same "speed" as we do) is just 0. Furthermore, our own EM communications are travelling less and less distance and are getting digital/encrypted making them harder to detect from background noise... Guess what else is producing "random" EM waves? Virtually all astronimical bodies.... total waste of time. Getting a positive signal is certainly as probable as finding a specific needle in our entire galaxy...
Quantum communication using quantum entanglement. Signal transmission to any place of Cosmos without delay, instantaneously.
You lack patience. What does it matter if it takes centuries upon centuries?
Wonderful as always Anton. Thank you. ☺️🫡
Interesting idea, and it will satisfy many people who have asked for such a thing. But... well, I highly recommend _Solaris_ by Stanislaw Lem. There was a really good translation for sale at one time on amazon. The situation depicted in that work of fiction is something closer to the type of communication problem I think we are going to encounter. We also are working from the assumption that the data we might receive is a message of some kind. It might be internal machine instructions intended for a "dumb" mechanical device we cannot being to understand the purpose of (just an example, it could be many many things other than a message).
The answer is "42?"
You forgot a zero
I decoded it..."2 large pepperoni pizzas deliver to 275 E. Willow St., Lincoln Nebraska."
Sorry, but you're going to have to do better than that if you want to trick me into sending a pizza to your house... 😏🤣🍻
Weird, i decoded it to "Instructions unclear, hand stuck in butt, send help. PS Elvis say's Hi!"
😂😂😂😂😂 funny
Here's how I'd send messages out into space: put a grid of satellites in orbit around the sun where each satellite has two modes: 1) allow all light through, 2) block as much light as possible. Then you sync some sort of binary 1001010011 message out into space at the speed of light across the whole electromagnetic spectrum (at least the spectrum produced by our sun). A blinking dot in the sky would have to catch someone's attention.
(I haven't calculated what density this grid would need in order to block enough light.)
This would actually make a lot more sense than sending messages using underpowered radio transmitters as we did in the past. Even if, for example, we were to send a data stream with a highly focused 1-gigawatt radio transmitter, then only a few photons per minute would hit a 1000-meter radio antenna at a distance of 10 lightyears.
Considering the sun has a diameter 109 times that of the earth I doubt that you're going to be able to block much sunlight with present technology.
As I tend to towards the idea that evolution is universal and aliens will have evolved like us in an environment of survival of the fittest, I fear what will happen if we are discovered by an intelligent alien species. Trying to understand the true intentions of a species that evolved elsewhere and betting the survival of your own species on getting it right , may prompt all alien species where possible to wipe out any potential rivals before it happens to them. I think it's best to stay hidden until we're sure of what is happening out there as we may find out that previous earth mass extinctions in the past were times when our planet was discovered by extra terrestrials.....
Hope you had an amazing day Anton!
Having fun is all that matters. Good initiative.
I can't help but think that even this message is too "human" to represent anything alien. Like the image representing molecules...it may seem obvious to us that representing something by literal numbers of pixels might be universal but in reality there's no reason why it would be. Even the basic representation of numbers might be "too alien". It would be really hard to come up with something truly alien though. It's hard to separate out human thinking in a project like this.
I guess the real aliens were the friends we made along the way...
Well, if life is not native... Yes.
@@curtissharpe7084 what does that even mean
Hi Anton. You are pure gold in this world full of s** . Your class and professionality put you on another level. ❤❤❤❤. So proud of supporting you
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Awesome information! Thank you Anton!!
This is a great idea and well done to the people who decided it and partially decided it. What if though a signal arrived that wasn't aimed at conveying information to what to the sender would be an extra planetary civilisation, i.e. us, in other words not intended to be read by "aliens", but was a communication within a star system, say from a home planet to one of its extra planetary colonies, and continued over many light years until it was picked up on Earth. So not a sophisticated set of ultimately recognisable symbols, like molecular patterns or atomic structures but speech or text in a language and/or script we could not possibly decipher and translate, this on top of any alien coding system that might be employed. There are ancient texts here on Earth & we don't know the language represented or how the alphabet worked. The alien transmission would reveal an alien intelligence out there somewhere but that would be as much as we could clean from it.
Im glad you covered this. I thought it was really cool.
It's an ad for another sequel to 'species'
Species... Meh. _(although, as a young teen, I appreciated the eye candy they provided lol)_
However, _Contact?_ *Then* you'd have my interest!
7:24 An alien just tapped Anton on the shoulder. Since Christmas seems to be marketed earlier each year I'm tempted to say "BEHIND YOU!!!" in the good old pantomime way...
One little problem is that if different companies and businesses start filling the local cosmos with " fake" alien signals to the point where nobody will put much effort into searching for the genuine article anymore. Maybe it'll become practically impossible to detect the real thing.
Appreciate ya. Thanks for sharing.
0:00 The Thumbnail was a screen cap of the Star War game we wrote on the 6502 back in the late 70s... It finally got back home :P
5:15 you missed the possibility that we're the only species trusting enough to advertise our location, and everyone else assumes the dark forrest is real (even if they're benevolent).
Yeah, to me the message says "we're primitive and naive. Come invade us now."
@@scotth6814 here are some pictures of us, see that our world is hospitable enough that we're just puny meat bags.
Wow, you’re making an impact!
Interesting idea, thanks Anton 👍❤
Thanks Anton!
Thank you for avoiding a clickbait title in this video.
It would be cool if the team came up with a way to indicate the selection process using the graphical or numerical portion of the message.
Hello, wonderful Anton! This is person.
Wow this is mind blowing
The message is 'Apri - Fo--s Da-'. Give us more funding.
Any message from space would begin with one or more pictographs, followed by mathematics, then physics.
This theme of creating an "anticryptographic" (easy-to-solve) message was explored in 1972 in an SF volume titled, _The Listeners,_ by James E. Gunn. (Which also, at the time, depicted the first black US president.) Edit: I found copies available on the ama of zon. Note that there are multiple novels with this title; you want the James Gunn novel.
Thanks Anton - this is so cool! Amazing Apes!
05:00 - Conway's game of life. I laughed when I decoded it. - best to let others see the funny side - almost as funny as the space invaders scene / dance.
06:00 - Do beings without ears think to look for radio waves? 07:15 Yeah.
Hey Anton, ypu rememeber the movie Contact? Is it possibke to actually form a message in the way that the "aliens" did in there. With folding it and turning it into an actual equation?
The proposition is interesting, but there is a major flaw. This Mimic message was made by human minds, for human minds to decode. The assumption is that the alien sending a message to the universe would send a key to the message. If we just stumble across a random snippet, intended for inter-species communication, would we have a frame of reference to even begin to decode it? Cheers Anton.
We love Anton
the full message will be "We apologise for the inconvenience" 🤣
Affirms my faith in the wisdom of humanity. We will be able to understand when other worlds speak.
Interestingly a premise of the message is a correlation between alien and human way of understanding the environment. We are convinced that our scientific knowledge is not only correct, but also the only correct one, although we haven't yet mastered to develop a unified theory of everything. What if the foundation lies in pure mathematics or even numerology (considered pseudo science)? Or some approach we haven't ever even considered? We could miss 99% of the messages easily... An intresting video would be one dedicated to the technics used to decipher possible alien signals
Yeah, why would the space force allow their signal to be authenticated???
Do you mean to suggest aliens don't use check digits, earthling? 👽 👾 🎃
What???? I smell crazy
How about decoding the BLC1 signal? Even if it is interference produced at Earth, it would be good to see what decoders find.
We can decode a signal we came up with, but does that mean we can also decode actual alien signals? Nobody knows...
It is possible that we might be able to. but it's gonna be extremely difficult. Just look at the issiues the Germans had whit the Navajo code speakers during ww2. Trying to communicate in any capasity with a foreign life form, might just be the most difficult thing our species ever could try to do. But at the same time it might not even be remotely as hard to do as we imagine it to be.
We can use sound, images and videos to convey things. And if they can see and hear as we do, then they might be able to do the same. Heck we might not even need to do anything. Or simply send them a censured version of our internet to them. and they could do the work themselfe, IF they are the superior tecnological species.
🙋🏽♀️💖anton everyday
Remember: it's never aliens*
*Except when it is
The video content is carefully crafted!I have one more question:I have an okx wallet with usdt in it and I have recovery phrases.:(surge fence muscle flower taxi gadget inject rough stage usage electric retreat).:How should I transfer them into my own wallet?
It looks like a single step from a run of The Game of Life.
Same if looking at it in 2d
I appreciate your videos showing the varied ideas and findings . But my question is the wave pattern of one through space breaks many relative law by vibration knowledge and noise incurred points. Are we insulated from the start of the sound ? Are we supposed to be ? If space is silent , then why are there waves. I know , it's been recorded per request . Then we must say it's not as any rhythm of sequence from my last check. We might want to think it through. We know light connects to everything it seems to touch but we don't handle dark conversations the same. Is there any good reason?
Bravo!
EM-waves are so old fashioned…
Try modulating Hawkins-radiation! Or gravitational waves! 🤣
The message, "Be sure to drink your Ovaltine"
Alien life could be so vastly different that we can't decode their message. Decoding something that was made by humans doesn't tell us anything other than we have a bunch of amateur enthusiast that would help out
Unlike the rest of the teams , the gathering the notes of data was a long the lines of computer given gates except there's more to the x and o process and it was a mathematical equation not to be fowl or rabbited for their less desired results .
Someone make a videogame out of this idea.
There are a lot of similar concepts already created ;)
They figured out it was the Atari 2600 game Asteroids?.. nice!!
lol
At first I was thinking of the Star War game we did on the 6502 back in the late 70s :)
Our graphics wasn't quite as well refined though.
Now try the same but with SHA-256 encryption. Would be naive to think aliens wouldn't make use of encryption.
I'm surprised you haven't mentioned Simon Holland's videos he has posted recently concerning the same subject of Seti, and other signals they've kept hush hush.
They?
Yknow! THEY! Them the nefarious ever elusive tHuM@@budgiefriend
Looks like they decided on a technique similar to what Sagan did in Contact.
“V’ger signals the Creator.”
"SETI scientist"
The quintessential oxymoron.
Why?
What happens if they finish decoding and in the middle it says "Eck Eck"? Well, knowing scientists, this could be.. They sometimes have a sense of humor.
One signal sent is likely not to be considered a message. Multiple, repeating and oscillating might be more obvious it is not from a natural source.
Reminds me of _The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch._
I mean, assuming from day 1 of us useing radio/tv, they would see it as some sort of radiations if they were looking, I would think they would have to know filter out other radiations from space itself. Then now alot of our transmiting is digital. Seems like a pretty tough challenge for both of us to realize what is and what isn't, but at least if they did they might be entertained. And we can't even listen to subspace communications, even if there was such a way to send info faster than light. Since I'm not going to wait 1000 years for them to reply, why would they?
If the aliens really wanna mess with us they should send a signal from that exact spot
Don't tell Elon Musk.
He might create SETI X?
I'm assuming the name 'A Sign In Space' is a nod to the great Italo Calvino.
Hi. I've been watching your channel for long time, you are a smart person, keep it going.
As a creature which remembers it's 2 past life's, and one of those wasn't earth(having proofs), I ensure, that radio wave technology is very primitive and mostly it's usage by any civilization has a very short period of time, due to fast evolution, self destruction , adaptations by more evolved civilizations - if the mentality is right.
If you want to make aliens laugh, make a video about Dyson's sphere:😂😂
We sent Peace and they sent back Ecaep!
Amazing that they managed to answer in colloquial Russian. Ecaep (actually "ЭСА: ер ... ").
Unfortunately the artist in the group thought it would make sense if the message did not make sense. An encoded 3D star chart or a encoded image of Earth or Mars would have been a better choice. But any real message would probably been undecipherabe as it would have been cryptographically encoded in the first place.
I'm curious if anyone else thought it was a missed opportunity to have the father daughter image of Ellie and Ted Arroway at their radio, from the movie Contact, instead of the joggers? I like the idea of practicing signals from other planets,, but I wonder if we could have an AI create a signal, since that is the closest to "alien" we will get? Would we be able to decode it without AI, I wonder?
RIP to aliens who'll find this message as some point... even earthlings are having a hard time decoding, and it's our own creation 😅
Wasn't there an aricibo response message?
When you said morse code I heard morse GOAT 🐐🕶️
Did Samuel Morse own any goats?😆
Bah bah baaaaaaaah bah baaaaaah bah bah bah
Funny
well it was nice knowing yall, 🤷
Intelligent, technological E-Ts must be extremely rare. Yet intelligence existed before radio Tech.. Intelligent, technological species may exist but have a time limit before extinction. And considering the vast expanse of time, it's no wonder that intra-species radio communication is never takes hold.
“Do not answer! Do not answer!”
i’m a firm believer that we need some ultra simple data to basically indicate that it’s not just random noise. my suggestion is do some counting in binary. very simple, incredibly unlikely to happen by chance.
as a sort of header to the actual data
Anything that has some kind of formal structure to it will show up in the entropy as patterns. The pasterns give the hints as to which common structures to test for :)
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With a decent computer and some time you can pull more of the less common patterns out of the previous patterns.
@@axle.student ok but anyone who works with binary regularly could identify binary counting pretty quickly, it’s a very simple pattern that wouldn’t need sophisticated algorithms to find. now you could do stuff like count up from 0 to the max value to represent 1, and count down to represent 0, or the reverse, and count in binary by counting in binary, which would be easier to identify with a computer.
@@morgan0 "ok but anyone who works with binary regularly could identify binary counting pretty quickly, " Very much what I said above + :)
I do it by eye in binary, hex, decimal and character as well as image (Sort of matrix style).
But my computer algorithms makes it all much faster :P
There are many different techniques :)
Finding it isn't too hard (even if encoded), decoding it if it is encrypted/encoded is a lot more work :)
@@morgan0 Fun fact: PI is used for seeding randoms in encoding because it is the most random number we have, yet the pattern and entropy shows up easily even after encoding. Encoding can quite quickly be matched with PI if it is used :)
That's just one step in many for decoding data.
So maybe a dumb question? But how intact would the radio signal be from earth if it passes by pulsars, big stars etc….would not be heavily distorted?
Maybe changed in some way, destroyed, or in the case of what you said ' how intact:. If its fractal ' then if partially destroyed' could be deciphered from that fractured?/fractal chunk. Translinier wave form? And what frequency? Narrow band if I'm not mistaken would be best. 🧩
How come biology doesn't radiowaves
We're more receiver than transmitter.
"All your base are belongs to us."
Training AI to decode messages and unknown languages might be useful
dude.... this blows my mind. If we fed it human languages to the point we could remove the knowledge of a language and it would be able to decode and understand the language again based PURELY off its knowledge of other languages... holy shit. I have to stop this comment, I could go on for hours about this its so crazy and interesting. The shock, fear, and joy of creating something like this and finding out it works would be unimaginable... the shock, fear, and joy of SETI using it and coming back with results... Kind of gives me the itch to write a Sci-fi story like that. "First contact" is us using AI to decode an alien transmission... it works, and what it says changes the course of human history and culture forever. "Very Spooky." -JMG
@@shitsquirrel9And keep the AI in check' so it doesn't turn into Borg or replicaters.🤨😮😆🤨😯
It seems to me that METI is something along the lines of hypothetically in the real world, Moldavia sending a signal to Putin saying: "We like Russian tanks, too". Our Good Luck is that there seems to be nobody in reach to even hear us.
Yes. Quantum communications are the future!!
ok.
Listen to the Sky!
The message should have been the Russian roulette scene from the film Deer Hunter I think.
It's likely that the remaining part of the message is just a rickroll.
It says "Shut up! THEY are listening!"