Ummm….. it’s not meant to combat fighters. Hammerheads are for that. Also, do not disregard this torpedoes. In the number this ship has it’s very dangerous. If you hit a Hammerhead currently with 4 S5 torps it is done. Like it blows up or is essentially useless. That means if they all hit this ship could sink 5 similar ships. And it still has large guns…..
@@charliemcawesome5012 and ? it's a military ship, yeah it's better in a formation, but still, also don't forget that at the core the perseus is a lone patrolboat, a ship supposed to flight alone in the void, you can't have a ship like that with THAT type of defenses, almost none, it make no sense especially when you see civilian cargo haulers being better protected I'm not asking it to be bristling with guns like a f*cking porcupine or an Hammerhead, just maybe to move the size 3 turret underbelly more closer to the nose instead of that useless position, just add a pdc maybe at this place and already you have a better ship modifying the big turret to add something similar to the lateral turrets of the Javelin could be a solution too, 2 bung guns and on top a smaller turrets with two smaller guns used by the same gunner
@@Bir-dy I get it, but it's also a patrol ship, supposed to travel alone in the void, yeah sur using hammerhead to cover it make it instantly better, but it's a combat ship, it make no sense to keep it vulnerable, even a modern aircraft carrier has missile launchers and small caliber canons to protecting itself while it's supposed to travel in a fleet giving it protection
I think they will sneak some PDS to the ship the same way they did to the connie, also this ship is basically a sub capital ship killer however there isn't many sub capital ships yet, hopefully when they add more of them (like the ironclad) this ship becomes more important, in any case i am buying it for the sole reason that it has very few crew slots for its power so its great for bounty hunting....... at least untill the game comes out
I agree and think regardless of how it originally comes, it will still end up being a very powerful offensive fleet ship. I am a bit worried about the defense tho.
@@Bir-dy well once armor is in the game it should have very beefy armor, at least that's what they said because it was built to have alot of armor before shield technology was found, will have to wait and see
Really cool design from an art perspective, but no engineer for the military would ever place turrets like this. They would place all of the turrets along the spine and belly midline so they have 180+ degree arcs and can bring multiple to bear no matter where the enemy is. No one would ever put them in these weird quadrants.
The Perseus is not a heavy frigate. Keep in mind that the Idris is a frigate and that ship is approx. 247m long, heavier and more importantly, heavily armed. It's role, among others, is to be part of a fleet while being a carrier in one way or another, as well. The Perseus on the other hand is 100m long, maybe a bit more if the developers decide to increase it's size a bit. But as CIG once stated that the "previous" version was a gunship. Therefore I'd say that's the correct classification for the RSI Perseus. Or, it could also be a light frigate. In our world light frigates have the role of protecting sea lines and patrolling. To my knowledge, the Perseus' role is to patrol the system and to protec certain areas, if necessary.
I was gonna say. That confused me when I saw the thumbnail. 😂 I would say, The Perseus falls in line as a smaller corvette that falls in line with The Hammerhead. Which is technically classified as a corvette.
Many navies have used the term "Frigate" inconsistently since it was coined in the Napoleonic Wars. It started as a term for an escort ship smaller than a ship-of-the-line, but its most modern use now is generally any escort support ship, including corvettes and destroyers. CIG has been just as inconsistent and I wouldn't overthink the term usage too much. The Perseus is a sub-capital class escort gunship that compares most closely with the Hammerhead in size and mostly goes up against other sub-capital class ships and capitals in fleet battles.
Since they upscaled the Polaris overall size and nose weapons from S5's to S6's I'm lead to believe the Perseus will also have a bump up in size and have the main S7's become S8's. That would only be fair, especially given the price of the ship and the overall powerfantasy that they were going for. With only one size bigger weapons the Perseus would not feel unique or interesting enough when compared to the Polaris, it would feel neutered and declawed if anything. About the belly turret...yeah I don't love it and I wish they would put it on rails so it stores in the belly when not in use and once active it moves forward to lock on the nose of the ship, under the upper turret.
I believe they will make the guns more competitive then it appears now. While I also believe the best way both turrets can fire, is to the sides of the ship, not forward.
Why would they lmao. Polaris got the bump to adjust to its capital role. Perseus is not a capital class ship, its ment to engage similar sized ships like hammerhead. There is no reason for it to be buffed.
@@legion1yt there are plenty of reasons to buff it. Let's face it, as it stands it's a much worst Polaris for a similar price. It's a one trick poney that's not even that good at what it's supposed to do and with huge gaps and flaws aswell while the Polaris is awesome at everything, the only reason why its so relevant and popular is due to its looks. "But the Polaris is a capital ship" you say, yeah that's why they need to increase and improve the Perseus because the price is too similar for the ships to be so afar from each other both in specs and classes. Also, the Perseus is supposed to be awful against swarm tactics but it compensates by being amazing against large vessels, punching above its weight, so having just one size bigger weapons than a Polaris dosn't make sense.
The Frigate classification makes sense. Since there is always sub classification, the Idris would qualify as a medium/heavy Frigate while the Perseus fits the patrolling Small Frigate class. Sure, you could argue it as a heavy gunship or Light Destroyer as well, but for a gunship it lacks... Well the guns. Light Destroyer can make sense since its main armaments are high caliber cannons, but for a destroyer it lacks speed to do it properly. So the best fitting classification of the Perseus is definitely Small Frigate/Patrolling Frigate.
As long as CIG is putting their rule of cool above everything else, I have no hope for a reasonable turret placement. ... also it's better to pick 6 single seaters than filling up a hh, because CIG doesn't seem to be able to figure out how to make turrets not suck.
The bottom turret will likely drop down slightly when manned as many others do, maaaaybe giving it overlapping fire with the top turret in the front, and more likely on the sides.
You need to pair it with a Hammerhead. Both are Patrol ships, they complement each other. In a larger battle I would pair it with an Ares Squadron and target larger ships. We are learning pretty fast in Pyro, that solo ships is not the way to go. For a ship to reach its unlimited potential has to be paired in different squadron combinations
Ive been eagerly waiting almost 3 years for my perseus. I cant wait to finally fly it. I hope the main turret batteries get beefed up a bit and positioned where they can focus fire the same target.
I think they will be able to focus the same targets from all sides except rear and sides of the rear. And most optimal angle seems to be sides where it is likely to have the best angles. I also hope the guns will get upgraded and have some serious firepower.
Worth mentioning that the Perseus has two S5 Torpedo tubes in the bow. The ship's hull prevents the two guns from being under the nose (not only will it ruin the aesthetics of the ship, it'll also make the ship nose heavy. Personally I would've moved the No.1 turret a little more reward to the Bridge and the No.2 turret to be on the nose. But this design works too, the other option would've been to not have a belly gun and just have the two turrets ontop with the No.2 turret superfiring over the No.1 turret.)
@@gabzsy4924 Turns it into a nose heavy design. Right now the design is balanced. The ship's hull is also too narrow to accept the magazines of both turrets in the same position.
After watching the IAE Show this week where they specifically talk about "Time to Disable" and "Capital Ship Gameplay", I am more convinced than ever that the Perseus is being built as a 'companion' to a Polaris/Idris/Javelin that is focused on engaging the 'components' of Capital Class ships while the Hammerhead is its polar-opposite that is built to focus on Fighters. The Perseus will likely have a 'pair' of the same Turret that now sits under the chin of the Polaris, only with Size 7 guns instead of the two Size 6's that the Polaris has (they are both from RSI, so would make sense if they re-used the same turret). It'll likely be slightly faster / more maneuverable than the Hammerhead due to its larger Engine arrangement similar to how the Polaris' engine arrangement gives it its extra speed/maneuverability above that of a Javelin or an Idris. Now this is not me saying it will "Destroy" a Capital Class ship. It wont.. at least not on its own, but i DO see the Perseus being something that is used to 'weaken' a Capital Class ship by damaging turrets, PDS's and Components via pass-through of its ballistic weapons. Just like the Ares Starfighters will be doing, focusing on 'components' of larger ships.
I think Perseus has a lot unspoken advantages. For one, it has bespoke weapons, so its guns will always be fully upgraded when needed to file insurance claim. Armor also has similar advantage, as it's not a replaceable component like shields. It's crew efficient, meaning that they could just be spammed on an area with relatively little fear of human casualties and they can to some extent cover each other as while one is attacked, another shoots the attackers. Being they're kind of flexible tarpit brawlers, it's probably pretty annoying to deal with a fleet of them without specialized response.
I am certain the Perseus will be hard to deal with and in groups they will be dangerous. Yet one of the biggest discussion topics are its guns, which firepower we dont know.
Lets hope the turrets extend out slightly when in operation. Maybe if they find the guns are not strong enough for what they wanted they can go up a size. But this ships only purpose is to be a fleet escort along with a hammer head. The perseus kills the bigger guys while the hammer kills the little guys. I can see it taking on a polaris quite sucessfully with a good crew but anything that hits harder then it will quickly take it down
Wait ! If the Polaris is a corvette. How can the Perseus be a frigate ? At best the Perseus is a patroller/gunboat. Far too small and not versatil enough to be called a frigate. The Idris is a frigate. Frigates are bigger than corvettes and are versatil, while destroyers are often bigger or close to the size of a frigate, but more focus in one role (torpedo focus during WWII, while today destroyers are more AA and focus).
Prob not the first to say this. Is the Perseus really a frigate? Frigate class is really idris/kraken level. Polaris is one class smaller at corvette. Perseus is really just a large ship in the same class as HH.
Since the Perseus is a very old hull design it may have been a corvette or frigate back in the day, but by more modern standards it is a Gunship more in line with Littoral ships IRL. What I have issues is, in lore a single old Perseus took out 2 Vanduul Destroyers... I am having a hard time with this as CIG stated the Perseus will have heavy armor but not capital class armor.
@@Bir-dy I will want to test it myself. A s9 torpedo will wreck a HH. Will a Perseus hold up? Will it take 2 s9s... it would be good to know the ships limits
@@Bir-dy PDT will be ok for what they can target and what is in range. The one on the top has great coverage for the top of the ship. The rear turret is limited to straight back to straight down. So, the ship has big defense issues. When I run an Eclipse or tally I do bomb runs and do not need to target. I can drop at minimum distance and the target has next to no time to defend. About 2-3 seconds. I think torpedo boots will end up being a big issue for the Perseus
Thumbnail bugged me, turns out the video itself makes the same mistake. Idris is a frigate - Perseus is not a frigate, but rather a heavy gunship (though I’d rather call it a heavy gunboat, since a gunship to me sounds more like a helicopter than a naval vessel). You need to check your sources - capital-class warships are one of the few ship classification things that CIG actually got reasonably right. The smallest “rated” warship, historically, was the corvette, so CIG made that the designation of the smallest capital-class warship - the Polaris. From there, the size up from a corvette is a frigate, which is the Idris. That said, liked and subbed (and obviously commented lol) - I want your channel to succeed, brother! Keep it up!
Okay so. When the Perseus was made (In lore) It was a Frigate. A modern day Frigate 300 years from now would still be called a Frigate. Even if it wasn't up to scratch with the "New" Frigates. A WW2 Destroyer is still a Destroyer. The new role of the Perseus is "Heavy Gunship" But that doesn't take away from the fact that the ship itself is the Perseus Class Frigate. Also you can't use sizes to mean anything. Destroyers are meant to be the smallest warships outside of patrol ships/Corvettes. Yet the Javelin is almost if not more than twice the length of the Frigate in Star Citizen.
Somehow this always becomes a topic :D It is stated as a gunship, yes. But for some reason I find discussions players calling it a frigate. I am not fully versed on ship classes, so sorry if I sometimes misfire.
@@Bir-dy To back up the "It's a frigate" part. When CIG first announced it and talked about the Perseus they said it was a Frigate. Since then they have changed it to "Gunboat" to avoid confusion. But it's original purpose/role was that of a heavy gunboat Frigate. Cause you know. In the 2500's Warships were a lot smaller and the Perseus was considered a Capital back then
If they keep it like this, the guns need to be upgunned to quads. Which I think it will considering it will go up in price by 150 when they are working on it.
we saw big turrets in the squadron demo at citizen con, the velocity of the projectiles was so slow. that hitting anything smaller ships than a hammerhead will be a struggle. as you showed the angels are quite limited + i assume the transverse speed will also be aweful. wit the available information it seems the turrets will have a niche role. many targets will be to fast and on the other side targets will be too heavy... it feels like it will good for hunting hammerhead, itself and carracks...
I think this ship might actually be like a fish out of water, when fighting against smaller ships. Because the mini turrets are meant for anti torpedo use and big turrets might not be fast enough.
Which sucks because in lore it took on/out vanduul destroyers which are far larger than it. if its guns are weaker than the Polaris main guns this ship will be DOA. Which sucks because i love this ship so much (and will keep it)
A Skeleton crew is the minimum number of personnel needed to operate a ship with most of its capability. In this case it's 3 people. 6 people would be a fully crewed ship.
I was thinking the same, but for some reason it is stated 6 in several locations. Actually a full crew would be 4 turret gunners, captain, torpedo launcher and 2-3 engineers.
Would be happier if they replaced buttom turret with quad 5 or 4 and upgraded main turret to size 8. Give the buttom side strong support and top part work with the pilot to bring in molten death to the main target.
I want the Perseus to get 15-20m and a 2nd bow gun right under the bridge even if it costs min crew to increase by 1-2. I would really like the bottom turret to go behind the bridge too even if it cant face forwards. Its not like your pilot cant maneuver the ship to keep all guns on target if they are on one side of the ship. Then you can put the majority of the pdcs on the bottom of the ship that could also function as infantry defense if its on the ground.
Say what you want but this design and this ship was supposed to be from Anvil it would have made a lot of sense given the design and would have added a big ship to the Anvil garage
Yeah the Perseus needs a complete redesign to actually fill the role it's been given and besides the two main turrets it needs a total of four support turrets not two.
Never got why people have this debate about perseus vs polaris. Its not even close. Its like different weight classes in boxing. They are not ment to compete and if they did polaris would win 9/10 times. I think its just insane amounts of cope from perseus owners who want their ship to be more then it actually is😂
Corvet is the smallest "capital ship", a Frigate is bigger than a corvet, but smaller than a Destroyer... how come the Polaris is a Corvet and the Perseus a Frigate?
see my problem (well not really a bad problem to have, but..) my problem is I have a Hammerhead in my game package, witch.. I mean when you crew it up is a lot of fun! But its really a single purpose ship, it can only go into a combat zone and burn the wings off those flys, or hornets.. rather. But the Polaris is a BIG ol ship, with far more uses than just simply being a fly swatter in space idk.. would be worth it, just to upgrade at this IAE to the Polaris? I like my game package otherwise so want to keep all the other ships, just dont really use the Hammerhead a whole bunch, although like I said it is a LOT of fun when you do take it out fully crewed. I would consider the Perseus but CIG for some strange reason wont allow us to downgrade our pledge ships.
To be clear I am not sure what would be the best course of action as the Polaris and Hammerhead are different ships in different classes. If you have enough players or crew to fill a Hammerhead, you should also be able to manage Polaris. The Polaris will give you a bit more option in the way of cargo and heavy torpedo's. The problem is we can only speculate its strength and usefulness in real combat scenarios. I want to think it will be a dangerous Destroyer of other capital class ships. Probably will work great in PvE missions.
@ yeah I just meant the design seems very vulnerable to fighters. I suppose it would be perfect for hunting hammerheads but possibly quite vulnerable to torpedoes so something like a Perseus becomes a no go, especially as those size 5 torps won’t do much there. Very cool looking ship though.
@@sanctred Not 100 % sure on this as we know rather little. But its got like 20 x size 5 torps so it would take away managing torps and flying the ship. As angles may not be ideal.
@ yeah I looked at the brochure after watch this and there is a torp room on the gunnery deck that I’m thinking will have a panel to remote shoot torps just like the Polaris one. I saw on other content creators video claims that it is pilot controlled. I guess I was hoping it was pilot controlled but now I’m thinking that is not likely.
@@sanctred I did the same :D Yet it is rather unclear. In combat scenario, the pilot should try and keep optimal angel for the main guns, so the torps might not be something he can focus with.
really hope to see additionnal turrets or PDC on the Perseus, the ship is really vulnerable and not suffciently defended for a military ship
That would be nice, but I think they want us to fly in fleets. This way ships could cover each other.
@@Bir-dy The problem is that her defenses are practically useless. One good placement and then the second one in the aft is absolutely useless.
Ummm….. it’s not meant to combat fighters. Hammerheads are for that. Also, do not disregard this torpedoes. In the number this ship has it’s very dangerous. If you hit a Hammerhead currently with 4 S5 torps it is done. Like it blows up or is essentially useless. That means if they all hit this ship could sink 5 similar ships. And it still has large guns…..
@@charliemcawesome5012 and ? it's a military ship, yeah it's better in a formation, but still, also don't forget that at the core the perseus is a lone patrolboat, a ship supposed to flight alone in the void, you can't have a ship like that with THAT type of defenses, almost none, it make no sense
especially when you see civilian cargo haulers being better protected
I'm not asking it to be bristling with guns like a f*cking porcupine or an Hammerhead, just maybe to move the size 3 turret underbelly more closer to the nose instead of that useless position, just add a pdc maybe at this place and already you have a better ship
modifying the big turret to add something similar to the lateral turrets of the Javelin could be a solution too, 2 bung guns and on top a smaller turrets with two smaller guns used by the same gunner
@@Bir-dy I get it, but it's also a patrol ship, supposed to travel alone in the void, yeah sur using hammerhead to cover it make it instantly better, but it's a combat ship, it make no sense to keep it vulnerable, even a modern aircraft carrier has missile launchers and small caliber canons to protecting itself while it's supposed to travel in a fleet giving it protection
I love the placement of the bridge on the Perseus
Kinda reminds of Idris.
Their naming of combat ship classes drives me bonkers. I will forever call my Perseus a Corvette, as that is the naval definition it fits.
There are so many opinions about this.
I have kinda given up and just call it sub capital class ship.
I think they will sneak some PDS to the ship the same way they did to the connie, also this ship is basically a sub capital ship killer however there isn't many sub capital ships yet, hopefully when they add more of them (like the ironclad) this ship becomes more important, in any case i am buying it for the sole reason that it has very few crew slots for its power so its great for bounty hunting....... at least untill the game comes out
I agree and think regardless of how it originally comes, it will still end up being a very powerful offensive fleet ship.
I am a bit worried about the defense tho.
the connie phoenix was always supposed to have the PDS im pretty sure that the perseus got them too.
@@Bir-dy well once armor is in the game it should have very beefy armor, at least that's what they said because it was built to have alot of armor before shield technology was found, will have to wait and see
@@eziiii3536
I believe so yes. But everyone wants to know how effective will it be.
@@Bir-dy cpn foxyloxy made some videos about the effectiveness and it doesnt look so good
Really cool design from an art perspective, but no engineer for the military would ever place turrets like this. They would place all of the turrets along the spine and belly midline so they have 180+ degree arcs and can bring multiple to bear no matter where the enemy is. No one would ever put them in these weird quadrants.
The Perseus is not a heavy frigate. Keep in mind that the Idris is a frigate and that ship is approx. 247m long, heavier and more importantly, heavily armed. It's role, among others, is to be part of a fleet while being a carrier in one way or another, as well.
The Perseus on the other hand is 100m long, maybe a bit more if the developers decide to increase it's size a bit. But as CIG once stated that the "previous" version was a gunship. Therefore I'd say that's the correct classification for the RSI Perseus. Or, it could also be a light frigate. In our world light frigates have the role of protecting sea lines and patrolling. To my knowledge, the Perseus' role is to patrol the system and to protec certain areas, if necessary.
I think you are correct.
The saying never a shot fired never a battle lost comes to mind from a certain "AstroHistorian"
CIG does sell it as a frigate. Confusing, I know.
I was gonna say. That confused me when I saw the thumbnail. 😂
I would say, The Perseus falls in line as a smaller corvette that falls in line with The Hammerhead. Which is technically classified as a corvette.
Many navies have used the term "Frigate" inconsistently since it was coined in the Napoleonic Wars. It started as a term for an escort ship smaller than a ship-of-the-line, but its most modern use now is generally any escort support ship, including corvettes and destroyers. CIG has been just as inconsistent and I wouldn't overthink the term usage too much. The Perseus is a sub-capital class escort gunship that compares most closely with the Hammerhead in size and mostly goes up against other sub-capital class ships and capitals in fleet battles.
you need 6 people to fully use the hammerhead, but with 6 you could use 2 perseus
It’s not a frigate, it’s not even considered a capital.
Just a gunboat
Yeah I am not 100 % sure about the classification (frigate, corvett, etc). But did I call it capital? I think I called it sub capital class.
@@Bir-dy I think your thumbnail calls it such. rather than anything you said in the video.
but yes, its a gunboat.
I would have thought it is a gunship vs the Redeemer being a gunboat. Or is gunboat and gunship basically the same thing?
@@fauli75 redeemer is a gunship, aka multiple smaller weapons for anti- role, perseus is a gunboat a small boat with big guns for anti-
Light Corvette
Since they upscaled the Polaris overall size and nose weapons from S5's to S6's I'm lead to believe the Perseus will also have a bump up in size and have the main S7's become S8's. That would only be fair, especially given the price of the ship and the overall powerfantasy that they were going for. With only one size bigger weapons the Perseus would not feel unique or interesting enough when compared to the Polaris, it would feel neutered and declawed if anything. About the belly turret...yeah I don't love it and I wish they would put it on rails so it stores in the belly when not in use and once active it moves forward to lock on the nose of the ship, under the upper turret.
I believe they will make the guns more competitive then it appears now.
While I also believe the best way both turrets can fire, is to the sides of the ship, not forward.
Why would they lmao. Polaris got the bump to adjust to its capital role. Perseus is not a capital class ship, its ment to engage similar sized ships like hammerhead. There is no reason for it to be buffed.
@@Bir-dy makes sense, but how cool would it be to have the bottom one on rails like the Javelin or Scorpius?
@@legion1yt there are plenty of reasons to buff it. Let's face it, as it stands it's a much worst Polaris for a similar price. It's a one trick poney that's not even that good at what it's supposed to do and with huge gaps and flaws aswell while the Polaris is awesome at everything, the only reason why its so relevant and popular is due to its looks. "But the Polaris is a capital ship" you say, yeah that's why they need to increase and improve the Perseus because the price is too similar for the ships to be so afar from each other both in specs and classes. Also, the Perseus is supposed to be awful against swarm tactics but it compensates by being amazing against large vessels, punching above its weight, so having just one size bigger weapons than a Polaris dosn't make sense.
@@gabzsy4924 overpriced ship that looks cool is not a valid point. By your logic all alien ships have to be really op cause they also cost a lot.
This ship will be best used on a broadside attack.
It dose appear so. Seeming to have best firing angles.
Really can’t wait for my Perseus
Seems like everybody is restless :D
The Frigate classification makes sense.
Since there is always sub classification, the Idris would qualify as a medium/heavy Frigate while the Perseus fits the patrolling Small Frigate class.
Sure, you could argue it as a heavy gunship or Light Destroyer as well, but for a gunship it lacks... Well the guns.
Light Destroyer can make sense since its main armaments are high caliber cannons, but for a destroyer it lacks speed to do it properly.
So the best fitting classification of the Perseus is definitely Small Frigate/Patrolling Frigate.
You deserve more views friend. Great insights, consistently
Thx :D
The views usually grow faster after 20-30 hours of release.
very cool video thanks!
Thx
As long as CIG is putting their rule of cool above everything else, I have no hope for a reasonable turret placement.
... also it's better to pick 6 single seaters than filling up a hh, because CIG doesn't seem to be able to figure out how to make turrets not suck.
Best looking ship they have concepted. Cant wait for it.
Here's hoping the NERF bat won't hit it too hard.
Its not a frigate, its a gunship or patrol ship. But i'm super excited to get it.
Everyone is
It needs a sub-capital price.
Wasn't it near the same Price as Hammerhead.
The bottom turret will likely drop down slightly when manned as many others do, maaaaybe giving it overlapping fire with the top turret in the front, and more likely on the sides.
Seems very plausible.
You need to pair it with a Hammerhead. Both are Patrol ships, they complement each other. In a larger battle I would pair it with an Ares Squadron and target larger ships.
We are learning pretty fast in Pyro, that solo ships is not the way to go. For a ship to reach its unlimited potential has to be paired in different squadron combinations
True, but I think we need to also get organizations going and base building to progress further.
@ with a 600 player cap. It is easier to play war games too in the PU and defend an OM marker on a planet. Make it a monthly event between orgs
@@fmartingorb Would be fun.
Ive been eagerly waiting almost 3 years for my perseus. I cant wait to finally fly it. I hope the main turret batteries get beefed up a bit and positioned where they can focus fire the same target.
I think they will be able to focus the same targets from all sides except rear and sides of the rear.
And most optimal angle seems to be sides where it is likely to have the best angles.
I also hope the guns will get upgraded and have some serious firepower.
Worth mentioning that the Perseus has two S5 Torpedo tubes in the bow.
The ship's hull prevents the two guns from being under the nose (not only will it ruin the aesthetics of the ship, it'll also make the ship nose heavy. Personally I would've moved the No.1 turret a little more reward to the Bridge and the No.2 turret to be on the nose. But this design works too, the other option would've been to not have a belly gun and just have the two turrets ontop with the No.2 turret superfiring over the No.1 turret.)
How would it ruin the aesthetics? Having both top and botton guns on the nose wouls make it look so much cooler.
@@gabzsy4924 Turns it into a nose heavy design. Right now the design is balanced. The ship's hull is also too narrow to accept the magazines of both turrets in the same position.
But it wouldn't really make sense if both main guns were placed opposite each other. Because you need space for the elevators from the gun seats
Indeed, that would mean its layout needs a redesign. But I think the side angles might be good enough.even from that lower position.
Not a problem for the Constellation.
No ship is meant to work independently...these combat ships are meant as part of a fleet
For the most part yes, that is if we ever reach the fleet battles.
Nice vid. Ty. 👍
After watching the IAE Show this week where they specifically talk about "Time to Disable" and "Capital Ship Gameplay", I am more convinced than ever that the Perseus is being built as a 'companion' to a Polaris/Idris/Javelin that is focused on engaging the 'components' of Capital Class ships while the Hammerhead is its polar-opposite that is built to focus on Fighters.
The Perseus will likely have a 'pair' of the same Turret that now sits under the chin of the Polaris, only with Size 7 guns instead of the two Size 6's that the Polaris has (they are both from RSI, so would make sense if they re-used the same turret).
It'll likely be slightly faster / more maneuverable than the Hammerhead due to its larger Engine arrangement similar to how the Polaris' engine arrangement gives it its extra speed/maneuverability above that of a Javelin or an Idris.
Now this is not me saying it will "Destroy" a Capital Class ship. It wont.. at least not on its own, but i DO see the Perseus being something that is used to 'weaken' a Capital Class ship by damaging turrets, PDS's and Components via pass-through of its ballistic weapons. Just like the Ares Starfighters will be doing, focusing on 'components' of larger ships.
I think you are very much on point.
It will be interesting to see how fleet load outs will effect a fight.
Usually Frigates are bigger than Corvettes. So either make the Perseus bigger or change the ship type to Corvettes.
I think Perseus has a lot unspoken advantages.
For one, it has bespoke weapons, so its guns will always be fully upgraded when needed to file insurance claim.
Armor also has similar advantage, as it's not a replaceable component like shields.
It's crew efficient, meaning that they could just be spammed on an area with relatively little fear of human casualties and they can to some extent cover each other as while one is attacked, another shoots the attackers.
Being they're kind of flexible tarpit brawlers, it's probably pretty annoying to deal with a fleet of them without specialized response.
I am certain the Perseus will be hard to deal with and in groups they will be dangerous. Yet one of the biggest discussion topics are its guns, which firepower we dont know.
Since it’s still in concept literally everything about this ship is subject to change
They probably have already changed some of the original concept.
Lets hope the turrets extend out slightly when in operation. Maybe if they find the guns are not strong enough for what they wanted they can go up a size. But this ships only purpose is to be a fleet escort along with a hammer head. The perseus kills the bigger guys while the hammer kills the little guys. I can see it taking on a polaris quite sucessfully with a good crew but anything that hits harder then it will quickly take it down
I think we need wait and see until they start showing it off.
Wait !
If the Polaris is a corvette. How can the Perseus be a frigate ?
At best the Perseus is a patroller/gunboat. Far too small and not versatil enough to be called a frigate.
The Idris is a frigate. Frigates are bigger than corvettes and are versatil, while destroyers are often bigger or close to the size of a frigate, but more focus in one role (torpedo focus during WWII, while today destroyers are more AA and focus).
My mistake
Prob not the first to say this. Is the Perseus really a frigate? Frigate class is really idris/kraken level. Polaris is one class smaller at corvette. Perseus is really just a large ship in the same class as HH.
Since the Perseus is a very old hull design it may have been a corvette or frigate back in the day, but by more modern standards it is a Gunship more in line with Littoral ships IRL. What I have issues is, in lore a single old Perseus took out 2 Vanduul Destroyers... I am having a hard time with this as CIG stated the Perseus will have heavy armor but not capital class armor.
I wonder how it will actually fare against some heavy hitters.
@@Bir-dy I will want to test it myself. A s9 torpedo will wreck a HH. Will a Perseus hold up? Will it take 2 s9s... it would be good to know the ships limits
@@chrisajokinen
That in mind I am wondering how good the auto turrets will actually be.
@@Bir-dy PDT will be ok for what they can target and what is in range. The one on the top has great coverage for the top of the ship. The rear turret is limited to straight back to straight down. So, the ship has big defense issues.
When I run an Eclipse or tally I do bomb runs and do not need to target. I can drop at minimum distance and the target has next to no time to defend. About 2-3 seconds. I think torpedo boots will end up being a big issue for the Perseus
@@chrisajokinen Interesting take.
That's not what a frigate is. It's a heavy gunboat
You are correct, my mistake.
Could use T3 med beds at least. 😢
That would be nice
Thumbnail bugged me, turns out the video itself makes the same mistake. Idris is a frigate - Perseus is not a frigate, but rather a heavy gunship (though I’d rather call it a heavy gunboat, since a gunship to me sounds more like a helicopter than a naval vessel).
You need to check your sources - capital-class warships are one of the few ship classification things that CIG actually got reasonably right.
The smallest “rated” warship, historically, was the corvette, so CIG made that the designation of the smallest capital-class warship - the Polaris. From there, the size up from a corvette is a frigate, which is the Idris.
That said, liked and subbed (and obviously commented lol) - I want your channel to succeed, brother! Keep it up!
Okay so. When the Perseus was made (In lore) It was a Frigate. A modern day Frigate 300 years from now would still be called a Frigate. Even if it wasn't up to scratch with the "New" Frigates. A WW2 Destroyer is still a Destroyer. The new role of the Perseus is "Heavy Gunship" But that doesn't take away from the fact that the ship itself is the Perseus Class Frigate.
Also you can't use sizes to mean anything. Destroyers are meant to be the smallest warships outside of patrol ships/Corvettes. Yet the Javelin is almost if not more than twice the length of the Frigate in Star Citizen.
Somehow this always becomes a topic :D
It is stated as a gunship, yes.
But for some reason I find discussions players calling it a frigate.
I am not fully versed on ship classes, so sorry if I sometimes misfire.
@@zaktiifrigate is inferior to a destroyer in real life my man.
@@Bir-dy To back up the "It's a frigate" part. When CIG first announced it and talked about the Perseus they said it was a Frigate. Since then they have changed it to "Gunboat" to avoid confusion. But it's original purpose/role was that of a heavy gunboat Frigate. Cause you know. In the 2500's Warships were a lot smaller and the Perseus was considered a Capital back then
If they keep it like this, the guns need to be upgunned to quads. Which I think it will considering it will go up in price by 150 when they are working on it.
Lets just make them size 10
Show me a concept ship & I’ll show you a pre-concept nerf.
They do have weird habits of nerfing ships.
Some of the worst ones are just after the sale :D
Why is the corvette larger than the frigate?
we saw big turrets in the squadron demo at citizen con, the velocity of the projectiles was so slow. that hitting anything smaller ships than a hammerhead will be a struggle. as you showed the angels are quite limited + i assume the transverse speed will also be aweful. wit the available information it seems the turrets will have a niche role. many targets will be to fast and on the other side targets will be too heavy... it feels like it will good for hunting hammerhead, itself and carracks...
I think this ship might actually be like a fish out of water, when fighting against smaller ships.
Because the mini turrets are meant for anti torpedo use and big turrets might not be fast enough.
Which sucks because in lore it took on/out vanduul destroyers which are far larger than it. if its guns are weaker than the Polaris main guns this ship will be DOA. Which sucks because i love this ship so much (and will keep it)
@@crimsonskies391
I have the exact same fear and feeling.
@@crimsonskies391 the Polaris only has size 6 guns...
This is why having artists design a war ship is a bad idea. They aren’t practical or well thought out .
I actually think the main focus is for the both guns to shoot not towards the front, but rather to the sides.
A Skeleton crew is the minimum number of personnel needed to operate a ship with most of its capability. In this case it's 3 people. 6 people would be a fully crewed ship.
I was thinking the same, but for some reason it is stated 6 in several locations.
Actually a full crew would be 4 turret gunners, captain, torpedo launcher and 2-3 engineers.
Would be happier if they replaced buttom turret with quad 5 or 4 and upgraded main turret to size 8. Give the buttom side strong support and top part work with the pilot to bring in molten death to the main target.
That is an interesting idea.
I want the Perseus to get 15-20m and a 2nd bow gun right under the bridge even if it costs min crew to increase by 1-2.
I would really like the bottom turret to go behind the bridge too even if it cant face forwards.
Its not like your pilot cant maneuver the ship to keep all guns on target if they are on one side of the ship.
Then you can put the majority of the pdcs on the bottom of the ship that could also function as infantry defense if its on the ground.
That would be another good solution
Say what you want but this design and this ship was supposed to be from Anvil it would have made a lot of sense given the design and would have added a big ship to the Anvil garage
Considering the style, definitely.
Yeah the Perseus needs a complete redesign to actually fill the role it's been given and besides the two main turrets it needs a total of four support turrets not two.
It kinda dose, because even those 2 main turrets seem a bit underwhelming
Perseus is not a frigate. It is a small gunboat.
Never got why people have this debate about perseus vs polaris. Its not even close. Its like different weight classes in boxing. They are not ment to compete and if they did polaris would win 9/10 times. I think its just insane amounts of cope from perseus owners who want their ship to be more then it actually is😂
It is weird that many players want to compare the 2, I think they just dont realize the class and size difference.
Corvet is the smallest "capital ship", a Frigate is bigger than a corvet, but smaller than a Destroyer... how come the Polaris is a Corvet and the Perseus a Frigate?
see my problem (well not really a bad problem to have, but..) my problem is I have a Hammerhead in my game package, witch.. I mean when you crew it up is a lot of fun! But its really a single purpose ship, it can only go into a combat zone and burn the wings off those flys, or hornets.. rather. But the Polaris is a BIG ol ship, with far more uses than just simply being a fly swatter in space idk.. would be worth it, just to upgrade at this IAE to the Polaris? I like my game package otherwise so want to keep all the other ships, just dont really use the Hammerhead a whole bunch, although like I said it is a LOT of fun when you do take it out fully crewed. I would consider the Perseus but CIG for some strange reason wont allow us to downgrade our pledge ships.
To be clear I am not sure what would be the best course of action as the Polaris and Hammerhead are different ships in different classes.
If you have enough players or crew to fill a Hammerhead, you should also be able to manage Polaris.
The Polaris will give you a bit more option in the way of cargo and heavy torpedo's. The problem is we can only speculate its strength and usefulness in real combat scenarios.
I want to think it will be a dangerous Destroyer of other capital class ships. Probably will work great in PvE missions.
more like a monitor class or a cutter but not a frigate
perseus is a corvette not a frigate
It's a battleship, not a capship.
Sounds like it’s designed for killing Connie’s.
I think that would be overkill. More likely to penetrate, capital class shields.
@ yeah I just meant the design seems very vulnerable to fighters. I suppose it would be perfect for hunting hammerheads but possibly quite vulnerable to torpedoes so something like a Perseus becomes a no go, especially as those size 5 torps won’t do much there. Very cool looking ship though.
Skeleton crew of 6 players? That is the MAX crew my man. Min skeleton crew is 3.
For some reason it has been stated as 6. But you could make due with 3. I would guess 6 means the pilot, torpedo operator and 4 gunners.
I thought the torps are pilot controlled?
@@sanctred Not 100 % sure on this as we know rather little. But its got like 20 x size 5 torps so it would take away managing torps and flying the ship. As angles may not be ideal.
@ yeah I looked at the brochure after watch this and there is a torp room on the gunnery deck that I’m thinking will have a panel to remote shoot torps just like the Polaris one. I saw on other content creators video claims that it is pilot controlled. I guess I was hoping it was pilot controlled but now I’m thinking that is not likely.
@@sanctred I did the same :D
Yet it is rather unclear.
In combat scenario, the pilot should try and keep optimal angel for the main guns, so the torps might not be something he can focus with.
Maybe ramming other ships is what its meant to do?
Sounds more like hammerheads focus :)
Frigate???? uhm no lol shes light corvette at most.
You are correct good sir
Persi is the ship ill bring to kill a Polaris
Seems like a plan
Not a fan of copy pasted assets from the Polaris
Aren't some from Idris as well.
Persius is a gunboat, not a frigate. Frigates are huge.