The Corsair's Deadly Stall
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"Euan, come here, right now!"
"I'm in a Corsair, you aren't. What are you gonna do about it mom?"
I thought you would reference the tank video
@@Aloso930 i feel like he kind of is.
@@davecrupel2817 might have been an attempt. Could have forgot what it says in the video
Euan, get out of the plane
You’re not my dad
Get out of the f***ing plane i AM your dad
You’re not my dad!
I AM YOUR DAD GET OUT OF THE F***ING PLANE!!!
I’m in a plane and you’re not!
"ensign eliminator"?
Interesting that the easiest solution was to make the other wing stall rather than fixing the one that already does stall
It's the all-American problem solver. "If something starts fucking up, it's cheaper and faster to fuck up its' counterpart than to fix the part that's fucked"
Oh they tried, threw millions (in today’s equivalent) at it & nothing worked anywhere near as well as the field fix the mechanics came up with so they went with the best solution, back then common sense was the baseline, not the exception like today
@@patrickancona1193 Back then Germans AND Americans had concentration camps for their OWN CITIZENS. Black people had to sit at the back of the bus (if they were even allowed on). They were the GREATEST RACIST generation. The whole world is waiting for their boomer children to die off so we can advance society to the next level.
Propellers dude...
I wonder what caused it? Torque, prop wash, or that the wings were ever so slightly asymmetrical?
Even R/C Corsairs suffer from the exact problem.
But now theres a permanent fix!
Install a 6 mm stall strip to the right wing
Thanks Euan. My mother was an Instrument Flight Instructor during WWII; Specialist, Link Trainer, Petty Officer 1st Class. Growing up, she told us of volunteering to work the control tour at Tustin base where they would paint a carrier deck on the runway & pilots could practice their carrier landings. She witnessed this problem with the Corsair 1st hand. She used the nickname "Ensign Coffin". The other bad plane was the Brewster Buffalo, a.k.a "Widow Maker". Thank you for verifying the stories I grew up with.
Crazy how such a small piece of metal could make such a difference, literally between life and death
Just like a bullet.
More death than anything with stall
Jeeez, it is common as muck in tons of planes. It is often put inboard on both wings to safely stall the insides first. It is cheaper than building a slight twist to the wing.
The P factor can be a cruel mistress.
Pursuit Air Craft.
(Similar to the _Asymmetric Blade Effect_ but using the meaningless, non descriptive and uninformative moniker (contra-training) _from the opposite side of the Atlantic._ 😛)
Good point, from propeller inefficiency slipstream which is behind 95% of what the uninformed take as ‘Torque’. The into the stalling wing yaw from the power added slipstream made it even worse.
@@givenfirstnamefamilyfirstn3935 huh, i thought it would've been due to the increase in angular momentum from the propeller and crankshaft spinning faster
@@literalantifaterrorist4673 The Rotational speed increase is not great, lift is from V squared. So rpm increase gives enormous extra thrust.
@@literalantifaterrorist4673 that wouldn't matter on the Corsair since it had a constant speed propeller which would adjust the engine/propeller RPM to be more or less the same on all throttles except idle
seeing one of these in person is crazy, it's almost comically large for being a single engine aircraft.
Check out the A1 skyraider if you haven't already
@@gabrielb5387 Those things are so cool.
P47s are monsters too. but if big and complicated is what youre after, F105 ThunderChief is absolutely obsurd for a single seater
Antonov AN-2 biplane is a bus.
Damn, from PSUs to RAM sticks to RGB accessories to jets, they really are versatile
It's not a jet but still funny
@@uberbosst Oh damn, a Maximilianmus pfp, haven't seen one in a while
@@annoyinggasta I should change it tbh
This would be more funny if the F4U was a jet
It's not it's a propeller aircraft, before you say anything about it not being a big difference it's a huge difference, and if I come off as being a aggressive I'm sorry I'm just a pos that's tired of dealing with the internet.
This is my fathers favorite aircraft. Something about that gull wing is so special.
Inverted gull wing
One of the most beautiful aircraft ever designed.
Yes
The fact that they understood stall characteristics that well before computer models is insane to me.
I can barely do arithmetic by hand let alone redesign a wing to have the same stall speed as the other.
Some tuffs of string or some smoke on a children's model with a fan blowing on it isn't that tough. The Wright brothers had their own wind tunnel.
And to think all the aircraft of that time and some after were designed with slide rules. Mind boggling stuff.
What would happen if you put an aircraft designer from the 40s against a modern day one? What sort of designs would they come up with ?
The brains behind developing the slide rule deserve admiration, the improvement was exponential.
My dad used to work on the electronics of Corsairs & F9F Panthers just after WW2 when he went into the Navy. The Corsair his favorite aircraft. However, he did say that it was a major pain in the ass if you dropped your tools while working in the cockpit because it would fall thru the floor and slide back into the tail of the plane. By contrast, he said the electronics in the F9F Panther were beautifully designed and very easy to work on.
It was more a problem for the pilots lol, imagine dropping your map
@@lordbluebaron2270 Yeah, quite bad for them.
Nice to see another Goodyear Corsair on display
This is my favorite military aviation channel on youtube
Ok so war thunder got it right
What what about the long nose
The long nose wouldn’t affect roll but it would dampen yaw (and pitch) and so actually help a little especially as with a radial engine all the mass is at the very end.
One of a few lol
I mean it made it difficult to land on a carrier and forced the British to pioneer close to the modern carrier pattern
you know what they say about a plane with a long nose ;)
The “hose nose” Corsair.
they represented this perfectly in the movie devotion
As soon as the video started I was like 'he's in a Corsair!' Then he confirmed it and my morning is complete.
“Ensign Eliminator” is perfect
I've been learning so much from this channel
My great grandfather flew these for the navy before transitioning to the F9F in Korea. Such a badass plane
Interesting. The "Ensign Eliminator" dang thats brutal lol!
Yea I dont wanna get slow in ANY fighter but especially one with asymmetrical stall characteristics and massive engine torque like that!
Corsair was my favorite WW2 allied plane. Stuka was my favorite axis plane
Such a beautiful plane
Yes
Next time I take my Corsair out I’ll keep this in mind.
I Never Knew That & It's Hard To Believe It Disrupted The Airflow That Much Because It's So Small. Thank You.
Thanks for the information Scott Manley Jr.
I also own a Corsair, in my PC.
Fellow war thunder player I see
Such a beautiful and deadly aircraft. It has been my favorite WW2 plane since I first saw it when I was growing up watching the show Baa Baa Blacksheep.
God bless Pappie Boynton,,
Love your shorts Euan!
I like it better when he wears pants, but you do you.
Every time I see that aircraft reminds me of Pappie Boyington,,
The left wing produces more lift than the right wing (wash in) to compensate for torque at cruise speed, cruise power setting.
So to compensate the right wing needs a stall strip ("stall equalizer")
Of course a suden aplicacion of power near the stall with such a powerfull engine is going to turn the airplane to the left.
So that's what he looks like. I was picturing Scott Manley all this time.
In the beginning , British flyers loved the plane .
In fact , it was the British who perfected landing it on an aircraft carrier ..
The low slung wings & canopy position made landing the plane very difficult becasuse you just could'nt see the landing ..
The British turned into the landing which gave them a visual of the deck up to the last few seconds ..
American pilots adopted the landing maneuver & its part in WW2 became legendary.
thats the clean corsair how i ever seen
Excuse me
That is a beautiful plane!
It is
were i live they have one of the only corsairs that still fly on a regular basis to this day.
I like Euan. He grabs my attention very well.
high weight, high torque? Yeah, sounds like fun to stall, especially at low altitudes...
That's cool such a small detail fixed the issue gotta love planes there just damn cool
Did not know that! Awesome.
My most favourite aircraft of WW2 along with the FW-190, and I didn't know this bit of trivia.
Wing fences are an inexpensive fix for many aircraft. The FA-18A had a flight characteristic during some maneuvers that was solved with a small fence installed on the leading edge extension (LEX).
Damn Ensigns. It's a full time job keeping them alive.
my grandfather had a crash with a wing stall during a landing. A crosswind started the process, dipping the wing and spinning the corsair around. minor injury
As an engine's output shaft rotates, the case of the engine tries to rotate in the opposite direction. You can feel it in some cars, as you rev your engine, you can feel the engine rock back and forth, even though the vehicle is not moving forward.
Keep these info coming good job
I can confirm this, I have a flight sim with all kinds of different planes and they modeled this stall characteristic in as well.
The movie devotion shows how it flips.
Question: what are those little flaps on the end of the red and white painted part of the aircraft?
Around the engine cowling? I believe they opened to help cool the engine when the aircraft is on the ground.
I believe that’s for the radiators
Using the flaps pilots could control how much airflow went throw the radiator.
I’m not a pilot and to be honest dk much about aircraft but I assume they would change the position of them flaps depending on what altitude they was at.
If someone actually know plz correct me as I’m honestly interested.
@@sparky4878 tbh I thought they were like a maintenance related opening and that's why they have them open in the video
@@sparky4878 dont they open on the air? a lot of bombers have similar flaps in the bomber like B29 it opened to cool the engines with air, it lets more air trough the intake, and its not used all the time and nor full opening most of the times, so the engine could WEP, and over stress/over heat and pilot had to open it in order to cool after some use, while keeping 70-80% power at least thats what i know about those openings dont know if in the corsair is the same thing since those engines were not made to work on 100% power for long periods of time unlike modern jet engines it is very likely its a exhaust exit/ air exhaust exit of sorts. those are called cowling flaps normaly, dont know if its the corsair case as i said but its reallly likelly that theyare cowling flaps, they use it on take of and climb where the engine needs more power and thuss more cooling while having low air speed, also as i said when used in WEP for too long the pilot could use it to cool and use it quicker on "100%" power again.
Cowling flaps, usually shortened to cowl flaps. They tilt out to let more air flow past the cylinder heads, and tilt in for less drag when extra cooling isn’t needed.
Amazing a little six-inch metal strip could change aerodynamics so much...
It’s all about attitude.
One of the big reasons why the F2G-1/2 wasn't accepted into service was this reason entirely. Since the aircraft used the Pratt & Whitney R-4360-4 Wasp Major which produced 3400 HP, the torque was immense and the left wing stalling was made significantly worse.
I have noticed this on my rc airplane corsair. I've read it's the gullwing design
It’s how a prop works
thanks for the heads up 👍🇺🇲😎🤙
Sexiest ww2 fighter imo. I've always loved the gull wings and the extremely long nose. Probably the worst aircraft visibility wise while taking off but it take that to fly her... what a beautiful bird.
O1s have had many things try to kill them through the years. Keeps them on their toes.
How does that stall strip actually work?
My guess would be it causes just enough drag to allow the other wing to stall at the proper time.
It makes the airflow separate at a lower Angle of Attack, thus stalling that 6 inch section of the wing
At high speed it is edge on to the wind but with the plane nose high at low speed it sticks into the air at an angle with the air spilling off the front edge like a flapping flag.
I had the pleasure to meet a former Corsair pilot and he told me that they had a saying “snub nosed, bent winged corps killer”
Propellers can only spin left or right, they say...
Why only the left wing stalled?? Was there some extra load on the left wing???
My favorite 😍
I love that plane 👍👌👌👌
I might have to come here, I live near St.Joe
So that’s why in Disney’s planes skipper said to dusty “your gonna stall lean off the pitch nose down!”
Ensign Smith" "That's a nice plane you got there. Can't wait to get some airtime."
Cmdr Johnson: "Oh, the ensign eliminator? Yeah she's a sweetheart."
A crazy solution that somehow makes sense
We also need to remember that these aircraft were flown and fought with by very young pilots not just the old men you see in them these days!
What’s this have to do with anything? I’m sure we all know veterans didn’t fly this plane during The war
@@carolization1 Go bother someone else, I'm not up for your BS.
The old men usually could tell you a story or two.
Not only that, but when they crashed, they had a nasty habit of breaking right behind the pilots seat so a lot of pilots got ground up during the hard landing
Figured out with slide rules and intuition.
Watch the movie Devotion (still in theaters I think) they talk about this exact problem in the movie!
You forgot the most important thing. The British figured out how to land the Corsair on aircraft carriers coming in at an angle / turn to the left until the last second and then straighten It up
That isn’t related lol
@@lordbluebaron2270 sure it is
@@dougc190 That was more a problem with the long nose than the wing
Wow I never knew that.
Great video Thanks.
Also the Corsair saw usage in the football war
Nice video
My dad was in the Navy during the Korean War (carrier based). He said they called them “The Flying Coffin.” He told me the torque of the engine could spin it over if the pilot wasn’t careful.
Wow. Even that advanced it was still trial and error
So watch your airspeed!
Watch your ball.
What happened to opposite rudder n
pulling up on the elevator??
Adding throttle just makes the fuselage spin.
You have to level off first...
A really cool thing would be if you made some replica aircrafts and make it so people could sit in them I’m not forcing you to but it would be good
Baa baa black sheep squadron where really happy to have that plane and the other marine corps units like them and the Pacific and European war where happy to have them ripping up planes and ships as well
I worked in the factory that built them.
The newest Corsair gaming aircraft!
Power off flew like wet rock.
So that's why my Corsair would randomly roll, flip and drop out of the sky on take off if I try to turn too early on Warthunder
🤦♂️ That is any prop plane, also don’t take that game worth shit
Also the fact that the nose was so long and pilots could barely see over it when landing.
im gonna try that bump on one of my RC war birds. i have a big mustang that does that
F-14 next?
what do you wanna see on the Tomcat?
@@AirZoo I think it’d be interesting to see how the swing wings work
@@BrokenRecord11943 would be really cool.
@@BrokenRecord11943 I don’t think that’s possible, they’d either have to rip the aircraft open and even then who knows if the gearbox is even in there
"One of the deadliest aspects of the aircraft for pilot and crew......"
lol
I think you'll find that there was only the pilot who flew in the Corsair.
Aircrew, as in crew are the men or women who operate a vehicle (aircraft, ship etc..), and it's a plural.
Ahh yes, my favourite company that made heatsinks, ram and ssds
Hate it, every time I try to look up the plane I get the company and I don’t give a shit lol. Also the manufacturers are Vought, Goodyear, and Brewster iirc
@@lordbluebaron2270 your not even kidding brudda you speaking fax
What the cause of the left wing stalling first? Engine torque?
Read the comments.
Pilot and crew, what crew?
Baa Baa black sheep, who remembers?
What were you supposed to do drop the nose and get more speed?
Yes
On my way to spin the hell out of those pellors
Hey Euan, why did the military use that red and white checkerboard pattern? I've seen it on many other things...even on the Purina Dog Food logo... didn't know if there was something special about it!
It’s just art
Does that mean the Corsair was built like a Fiddler Crab.. like one wing was bigger than the other..
Ah yes the P factor
Asymmetric Blade Effect to those who spell ‘aeroplane’. Only a minor component as was actual ‘torque’. It was largely spiral slipstream from the huge propeller putting up to 2,000 horsepower into the air. There are photos of the propeller tip vapour spirals coming off Korea War Corsairs waiting to take off in cold humid air. At near full take off power the propeller blades would go coarser attacking the air far more.
I'm curious with how many pilots had to die before they started realising the issue...
Probably none
impressive engineering!!!
"...pilot *and crew* " - what crew? I thought it was a single-seater... did I miss something?
Thank the Brits. They figured it out.