2nd best, my a**! Cobb was the best there ever was. No player could do more for a team day in and day out everyday all season/career long than Cobb did for over 20 years. Cobb was the best period, full stop.
@@Andrew-ci9xv Ruth has the highest war, ops, ops+, slugging%, as, well as the most home run titles, slugging titles, and ops titles in baseball history. That guy.
Ty Cobb stands alone alone as the greatest MLB player that ever lived for one reason. I knew the man. Ty simply could not conceive of trying/competing any less than the best that a baseball player could envision given any opportunity. Say what you will...
Statiscally , yes . I would pick only one player over Cobb . That would be Willie Mays because he was like a player / manager his whole career . Baseball is much more than just a game of stats . Willie was the ultimate team player !
The term "racist" is but a slander used specifically against White people. For those who use the term, any sense of irony or self-awareness must be damned at any and all costs.
@@danejurus69 look this up. Hillsdale College lecture: The Character of Ty Cobb I believe was the name of it. Look up Ty Cobb and Hillsdale college it’ll pull it up. Cobb wasn’t so much a freedom fighter, but he was not a racist as portrayed. He was raised in an abolitionist family. His grandfather was a minister and a stark abolitionist. Many of the stories about him were made up. You can find this info if you really want to.
To be fair, there were some incidents in Cobb's life that are pretty difficult to explain away. That confrontation with a Black hotel housekeeper in Pennsylvania, when he called her the "N-Word" and then shoved her down the stairs, was pretty ugly to say the least. (Biographer Charles Leerhsen', whose Cobb bio was intended to clean up the man's reputation, metions it but then pretty much glosses it over.) On the other hand, Cobb was a strong supporter of Jackie Robinson, he spoke out for the integration of baseball, and he praised Willie Mays as one of the few modern players whom he truly admired. So he was definitely a complex man -- not the wild-eyed psychopathic hater that Al Stump (and the Tommy Lee Jones movie) portrayed.
Babe Ruth is the best baseball playe ever and it is not that it is not even close - it is that Babe Ruth stands alone. All alone - he is the only player to be a hall of fame pitcher and hitter. So if you remove the pitching - then you can have a discussion. Cobb played most of his career in the dead bal era so naturally home runs were not something prominnet. The idea was to get on base and then steal bases. Cobb was the absolute best at that. But Babe Ruth and Ted Williams and Gehrig were the best at hiting for power and total bases. Both great, but in different eras. Ruth said that if he was gong for the "cheapy singles" he would hit 600. Both amazing. And before Cobb dominiated in the American League Honus Wagner dominated in the National League. The problem with comparing eras is that the rules are similar but the strategies are different and the SIZE OF BALL PARK WAS DIFFERENT. After Ruth started to hit home runs the ball parks started to get small in centerfield so they home runs would happen more often becuase that is the style of play that thrilled the public - still does. Babe Ruth not only saved baseball but he literarally changed the way the game is played.
The best player ever. I would love to see the Rangers have such an amazing player on the field today. The numerous seasons of .300+ average is legendary.
Read this over and over til it gets through your thick skulls: Ty Cobb SET MORE RECORDS in Major League Baseball than any other player in history. Consequently that makes him the best player who ever played. As I’ve stated before, the winningest manager in baseball history; Connie Mack, was managing the A’s before Cobb’s first season (1905) and after Babe Ruth’s last season (1935), he saw each of them play and said Cobb was the best player ever. Regardless of what the jealous haters say, Ty Cobb set the most records in baseball history, was the first HOF inductee, received HOF more votes than Babe Ruth, and recognized by witnesses and qualified experts as the Greatest Player Ever.
Fucking sad that someone gets this bent of shape about another person's opinion on who they think the greatest of all time is. Go organize your baseball cards lmao
Poor Ty. As of May 28, 2024, his lifetime batting average of .367 is no longer tops as it has been since his retirement in 1928. It has been exceeded by Josh Gibson's .372, even though he had far fewer league plate appearances (13103 to 2526).
It is also notable that many reports from independent sources attest to his numerous acts of charity and kindness, including of the foundation he set up to fund charitable organizations (e.g., hospitals) AND finance the education of a huge number of indigent students. Yet he didn't broadcast it. IMHO, he's what I would call a true philanthropist- not someone who might try to gain personal affection or economic benefit in return.
Whoever thinks he wouldn't be a great player today doesn't know what they're talking about. When he played there were still great players. Maybe not as many but they did what they did under primitive conditions that maybe today's players wouldn't be able to handle any better than the classic players did.
The sharpened spikes was a dirty lie. He was often employed a variety of slides to avoid contact, including different approach angles and kicking up dirt so opposing infielders couldn't see his approach to make the tag.
Adrian Embrey, tell me how many MLB games have you watched? I know it isn’t anything compared to Connie Mack, Joe McCarthy, John McGraw and Casey Stengel. They were some of the most successful managers of all-time (19,777 regular season games managed, 10,524 wins and 22 WS rings between them) and each one of them said Ty Cobb was the best player ever. Since you weren’t around to see either Cobb or Ruth play, I’ll take the word of four highly qualified expert witnesses compared to your meaningless opinion. Fact 1: Ty Cobb received more Hall of Fame induction votes than Babe Ruth. In other words reporters who saw both of them play voted Cobb the better player. Fact 2: Ty Cobb set more individual baseball records than ANY OTHER player EVER, yes including Ruth. Fact 3: Ty Cobb is still in the top 10 in more separate offensive categories than any other player. Ruth can’t say that. Plus keep in mind Cobb retired almost 100 years ago. Fact 4; No player has hit over .400 more times in a season than Ty Cobb. Fact 5: No player has more batting titles than Ty Cobb. Fact 6: No player has a higher career batting average than Ty Cobb. Fact 7: Cobb retired with more Triple Crown awards, hits, walks, doubles, triples, runs scored, stolen bases, putouts & assists than Ruth, meaning he was a better hitter, runner, and defensive outfielder. Ty Cobb doesn’t take second to Ruth or anybody else, he was the best there ever was.
When one of the greatest homerun hitters of all time also has unsurpassed pitching records in the post season, then I tend to go for Ruth. Nice drawn out explanation though. My opinion is my opinion, if you don't like it, who cares?
I’ll concede you that Ruth was a very good hitter, a good pitcher and the most popular baseball player but it doesn’t mean he was the best player ever. I’d say top 5; Cobb, W.Johnson, Bonds, Ruth, Speaker.
Random, whose HOF plaque says, “created more records than any other player in history.” Babe Ruth or Ty Cobb? That’s right, Ty Cobb. He also received more HOF votes than Ruth from people, who, unlike you, actually saw them play. Cobb played in an era when HR’s were rare so nobody can hold that against him. When you compare apples to apples Cobb beat Ruth in batting average, stolen bases, putouts & assists. Ruth beat Cobb in power. That’s 4 out 5 categories used to rate a player for Cobb. If Ruth really was better-which he wasn’t-he would’ve received more HOF votes than Cobb since he played in the media capital of the world but he didn’t. Cobb was the first player inducted into the HOF and named the Greatest Player of All Time by a panel of baseball historians in 1960. No shame in Babe Ruth taking silver.
@@uprr00 Walter Johnson and Cy Young both said Ty Cobb was far and away the greatest ( all around ) baseball player they had ever seen or played against. Could Cobb hit homeruns if he tried? Five homeruns in two consecutive games , nine hits in 12 at-bats (.750), six runs, one double,11 RBIs, 25 total bases. Ruth never did that. Three called stolen bases on three consecutive pitches. Ruth never did that. Stealing every base in the same inning. (Three times) Ruth never did that. Stealing home plate 54 times in a career. Ruth never did that. The highest batting average of all time. ( Still to this day) Ruth couldn't do that. People remember that the ball and the game was different between the time of Cobb and Ruth. The post deadball era baseball was more dynamic and the game not nearly as physical. The greatest player didn't just hit and pitch, he played the entire game better than anyone else.
@@kubark1016 Here are two other reasons Ruth wasn’t better than Cobb; first during Ruth’s day the NY Yankees had the lion’s share of American League Hall of Fame pitchers i.e., Ruffing, Hoyt, Gomez, Pennock and players: Gehrig, Combs, Lazzeri, Dickey, so Ruth benefitted by having HOF’ers hit in front and behind him and face pretty much garbage pitching throughout the rest of the league. Cobb wasn’t as lucky since he faced way more HOF pitchers and wasn’t surrounded by HOF’ers on his team. Second, in the later part of his career Ty Cobb was a player/manager so he didn’t rack up statistics like he did earlier in career since he had to focus on managing games. Just imagine his career stats had he played full-time. It makes no sense how people who never saw Ruth play act like their opinion outweighs those of people who were there i.e. Mack, McGraw, McCarthy, Stengel, Walter Johnson & Cy Young and reporters who still gave Cobb more HOF votes than Ruth. Yes Babe Ruth was a great player, but no F’ing way was he anywhere near as good as Ty Cobb.
I am not qualified, but Lou Gehrig was. He rated them equal: Cobb, Ruth, Wagner. Ruth the best fans ball player (remember: this is entertainment!), Cobb the best individual player (took every advantage, slashed and clawed his way, unliked), Wagner the best ball players ball player. But all this is just for the limited amount of people allowed to play ball. All would be stars today, no question, but not hitting 400.
As time goes by he unfortunately looses respect as being the greatest overall player in the first 50 years of MLB. His batting average, hits, runs, and RBI totals along with his stolen base skills are unmatched in the history of the game…along with his durability and length of his career he maintained is unmatched. As well. Claims against him are borne out by people who were either jealous of him or biased against his personality and aggressive play.
He gets the blame for distorting the facts, or just using fiction when it served his purpose. Just using that photo of Tommy Lee Jones from that POS movie discounts much of the value of this video.
@@patrickmorgan4006 for the third time. I posted these clips because I find the stories interesting. Considering there wasn't much footage of Cobb I made due. If you don't like it, don't fucking watch it. I am not a historian, or trying to get likes, shares, or make money from this dipshit.
@@AdrianEmbrey1979 How would I know whether I liked it or not unless I watched it first? Don't be so sensitive. Or if you are going to be so sensitive, turn off commenting. What did I say that was incorrect? Did you think that Jones movie was good? Accurate? Do you think Burns didn't distort facts?
Second best overall, but best position player. You are comparing apples to oranges when comparing pitchers to position players. Both men, Ty Cobb and Sidd Finch are number one!
smh. That furthers my argument. Babe Ruth has records he set as a pitcher when he was at Boston that still has not been surpassed in the post season. Considering he was an amazing pitcher and one of the best hr hitters ever, I think that qualifies him as the GOAT. IMO!
Look at Ruth's 1918-19 seasons. All he did was lead the league in several offensive categories, go 22-13 on the mound, set a World Series PITCHING record, and use that record to help Boston Win its last World Series for 80+ years.
I love the way the narrator turns himself into a hypocrite, he wasnt talented compared to todays players? Then they say the next breath, that he showed great amount of talent! And how does he know how good Ty Cobb was? There’s no tape of him even playing, except the blurry old black and white 2 taping they have on him! He also adored Willie Mays amd said “He was the only player in professional baseball worth a shit” lol so there goes his racist antics that’s we’ve all been bread to believe!
The players that played with and against Cobb and Ruth, would disagree, as did the baseball writers voting on the first hall of fame class!! You are still entitled to your opinion!!
One thing that is absolutely not true is that Cobb wasn't a great athlete. He was a superior athlete that was brilliant and a driven man. He got the most out of his great talent. To say he wouldn't be a great player today, shows a complete lack of analytical ability. Otherwise it was a good video.
Go look up the votes for the original Baseball Hall of Fame. Who had the most? Why? People who had seen all of the greats at the time play. Also ask, why the most loved player ever got more votes than the supposed most hated player. Hmm
Not according to the players ( about 80%) that played with and against both Ruth and Cobb. Not according to the baseball writers, Cobb had the. most votes, with Babe Ruth and Honus Wagner tied for second. You, however are still entitled to your opinion.
@@johnreape4353 I'm entitled to look at baseball reference. The stats overwhelmingly point to Babe Ruth. Even before the ball was livened, Ruth was a colossus. As a pitcher and a hitter.
@Alien Observer unlike Ty Cobb, Babe Ruth benefitted from having at least 11 HOF’ers on his teams; Hooper, Speaker, Combs, Dickey, Gehrig, Lazzeri, Sewell, Gomez, Hoyt, Pennock and Ruffing. If it didn’t make a difference, let’s see his numbers had he played for the Boston Braves and St. Louis Browns throughout his career without any of the aforementioned. Thus proving the point that Ruth’s teams were loaded (hitting in front and behind him) as he padded his career numbers on weak competition pretty much his whole career. In today’s terms that’d be like Shohei Otani playing on teams with Pujols, Cabrera, Trout, Freeman, Judge, Soto, Correa, Verlander, Scherzer, Kershaw and Cole each 100% healthy and in their prime. Nevertheless, read this over and over til it gets through your thick skulls: Ty Cobb SET MORE RECORDS in Major League Baseball than any other player in history. Consequently that makes him the best player who ever played. As I’ve stated before, the winningest manager in baseball history; Connie Mack, was managing the A’s before Cobb’s first season (1905) and after Babe Ruth’s last season (1935), he saw each of them play and said Cobb was the best player ever. Babe Ruth fans on here listen to how stupid you sound; “Connie Mack is full of sh*t and doesn’t know what he’s talking about, but you who only read about Ruth know more than he does.” Sorry fools it doesn’t work that way. Regardless of what simpleton Ruth zombies think, Ty Cobb is the player who set the most records in baseball history, the first HOF inductee with more votes than Babe Ruth, and recognized by witnesses and qualified experts as the Greatest Player Ever.
Babe Ruth's wife dated Ty Cobb. She said that Cobb was a greater baseball player than Ruth but Ruth was a nicer person.. Truth is that Ruth was a big kid who ate drank and screwed women with no real regard for the consequences. Even after he married and "settled down' he still regularly cheated on his wife. Ruth was the greatest all round baseball player and no one is even close. Shotani is not on the same level as Ruth. Ruth is the only Hall of Fame hitter and pitcher. Cobb didn't like Ruth's style of play. He thought the way he played made for a better baseball game. Get a single, then steal, then steal then steal (even home base). He thought that was more interesting and exciting than just swing the bat and hit the ball over the fences. Cobb once announced in ythat for one week he will try to hit home runs. What he did that week no one ever has done. But Ruth's way of hitting home runs ended up being the future. Here is what happened when Cobb wanted to go for the long ball. Home runs were simply not part of Cobb’s game. By 1925, now 38 years old and player-manager for the Tigers, Cobb may have lost a step or two, but he was still a magician with the bat in his hands. His baseball team, however, had limped out of the gate. A 4-14 start had the fans groaning. That is where the Tigers’ record stood on the morning of May 5, 1925. That day, and the next, Ty Cobb put on the finest offensive display in his great career. And he did it with power. Detroit was in Sportsman’s Park in St. Louis, to take on the Browns. The game of the 5th, a Tuesday, Cobb batted six times, with six hits. He also scored four runs and batted in five. But the big surprise was his three home runs. His other extra-base hit that day was a double, giving him 16 total bases, establishing a new modern major league record (the mark has since been tied, and broken, by several players; Shawn Green now holds the big league mark with 19). His three bombs tied him with four other players for the most in a modern-day game (One of the other players was Babe Ruth himself, a fact which must have tickled Cobb to no end.). Incidentally, the Tigers won the game, 14-8. But Cobb’s hitting spree was far from over. In the next day’s game, also in St. Louis, he went 3-for-6, with two runs scored and six RBIs. He also clouted two more home runs. His five homers in two consecutive games was something that had never been done before, not even by the Bambino. It is a mark that has not been eclipsed to this day, although it has been equaled by 28 players. Cobb’s two-day output reads thus: nine hits in 12 at-bats (.750), six runs, one double, five homers, 11 RBIs, 25 total bases. His nine hits were made consecutively. On the negative side of the ledger, he was caught stealing once. The Tigers also won the second game by a score of 11-4. Of course, the footnote to the tale is that, just prior to the first game, Cobb was sitting in the dugout with a reporter and pointed out, “I’ll show you something today. I’m going for home runs for the first time in my career.” Whether the story is apocryphal or not, it makes for a great legend. It also proves that Cobb could indeed hit the long ball when he felt like it. The next day, however, having proved his point, Cobb went right back to his old style. He did not hit another home run until June 2. He finished with 12 homers in 1925, equaling his career-high. But for at least two days in the middle of the new Home Run Era, Ty Cobb was just as powerful as the great Babe Ruth.
Great comment Larry, My Dad got Ty's autograph in 1955 at a Seals game. I did a Show on Ty talking about those 2 days that he did what he said he was gonna do, hit Home Runs, and he did, then when back to hits and steals. My Dad said Ty was tall. Peace
Who's number one? It's either Pete Rose, Barry Bonds, Rogers Hornsby or Ken Griffey Jr. Every era was different and not as hard as the next. You really can't say definitively who's the best of all time.
In my opinion Babe Ruth because anytime you are a pitcher who has records that has not been surpassed in the post season to this day, and you hit that many home runs, and won that many times, I say that equals the best. Best overall talent (based on records) one would have to go with Ty Cobb
Pete Rose was not #1 in his era. He had more total hits in his career than anyone, and was certainly a great player, but he is not even in the conversation for greatest of all time. Just to name one, Rod Carew was a much better hitter than Rose in Rose's era. Neither hit for power and Carew's career BA was 25 points higher than Rose's. To name another, Henry Aaron, whose last half overlapped Rose's first half, had the same career BA and OBP, but hit 595 more home runs.
Poor Ken Burns. Couldn't even do a little research on the greatest ever. Sorry documentarian. Even included a phony story about how his mother killed his dad. Piss poor.
Who the fuck said I was a documentarian? This man is very interesting to me so I put together clips that I found intriguing. If you don't like it, fuck off. I don't care about likes, shares, and def not how I make a living retard.
I think you are completely wrong. His stance is meaningless. It's what he did when the pitch was coming that counts. Cobb was able to adjust to any type of pitch by controlling what he did with the bat, and he was capable of doing whatever he wanted with it, and his swing was just fine. He could swing away when he wanted, or punch the ball through holes in the infield if the situation called for it. Cobb might not have hit a career .366 today, but he would have been well over .300. The man was an artist with the bat. It's why he despised the power game.
@@patrickmorgan4006 You're right. Cobb would eat these defensive shifts alive with his split-grip swing. These idiots today can't get hits when the other team gives them a complete side of the diamond with one infielder. Shameful! Played same day as his tonsilectomy. Modern player can't play with a blister on his pinkie.
@Alien Observer, Try putting a high spin-rate and 90mph+ fastballs on a baseball, as one sportswriter from that era described as "rather soft, mushy, and sawdust-like!" That's why there was fewer arm injuries! NOBODY in their right mind would try to 'Nolan Ryan' a ball of that composition and most pitchers of the era pitched side-arm with an easy slinging motion, no powerful leg drives, vicious body torques, or harsh hand and arm deliveries and releases! The game was still in it's infancy as was player fundamentals and techniques! Try getting hooked on TRUTH SERUM, you just might like it! Segregated baseball was NOT the sport's best era and neither were most of it's participants, plain and simple! 🤣😂😅
@Alien Observer, l have forgotten more about baseball than you will ever KNOW and still KNOW more than you EVER will, ROOKIE! You racists ALWAYS trying to make all white baseball and it's players as the best era the game has ever seen! A 100% proven LIE!
bonds cheated... he was declining... and then all of a sudden he is miraculously rejuvenated... bigger, better and stronger than he was in his early 20s? he never would of hit 500 HRs without the PEDs... never would of had all those MVPs... Clemens did the exact same thing...
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2nd best, my a**! Cobb was the best there ever was. No player could do more for a team day in and day out everyday all season/career long than Cobb did for over 20 years.
Cobb was the best period, full stop.
Really? Ever hear of Babe Ruth?
I agree. Full stop.
Because you're FullOfShit.
@@Andrew-ci9xv Ruth has the highest war, ops, ops+, slugging%, as, well as the most home run titles, slugging titles, and ops titles in baseball history. That guy.
@@Grizzlied555 Ruth was one of the best, just not "The Best"!!
@@johnreape4353 Babe is the best. Period.
Ty Cobb stands alone alone as the greatest MLB player that ever lived for one reason. I knew the man. Ty simply could not conceive of trying/competing any less than the best that a baseball player could envision given any opportunity.
Say what you will...
He was the best pure baseball player to ever play. Period.
Ty cobb was a baseball hitting scientist ;;
Cobb was the best to ever play the game.
Second best.
Third best.
@@TheBatugan77 Who is /was better?
@@johnreape4353Stan Musial, Ted Williams, Babe Ruth, Miguel Cabrera & so many more
@@andresmiguel8082 All great players, none as good as Cobb, let alone better!!
Greatest player of all time.
Brilliant & master baseball hitter & great base stealer etc etc
Statiscally , yes .
I would pick only one player over Cobb .
That would be Willie Mays because he was like a player / manager his whole career .
Baseball is much more than just a game of stats .
Willie was the ultimate team player !
@@RobertStambaugh-l5r Mays was easily the best player I have ever seen. To compare him to Cobb, is unfair. Cobb was in a class by himself!!
Ty cobb baseball hitting scientist
Cobb was the 1st player elected to the Hall of Fame, getting more votes than Ruth.
So what?
Ruth was better.
@@TheBatugan77 Ruth hit for power, Cobb hit for average, check out Cobb's batting averages, they are the best of all time.
@Donaldo Ron And the debate goes on, lol
@Donaldo Ron Then why didn't his contemporaries vote him 1st into the Hall of Fame ? Huh?
@@jackinthewoodsii8653
GivesAShit about votes?
Ruth dwarfs Cobb.
Cram your votes.
Ty Cobb is the best baseball player ever
You poor misguided simp.
The best player ever! Had all 5 tools and a natural ability for the game never seen before or since.
Look up George Herman Ruth.
considering the number of records he held at retirement he is the best player not second best.
when one of the greatest hitters also has pitching records that still hasn't been surpassed, then I say Cobb would be 2nd best. IMO
You’re wrong bud . Ty Cobb is the greatest hands down .
Ty Cobb was a great hitter, but never threw a complete game as well. Ruth still remains baseball’s best
And then there was Clemente
You are 100% correct (He is the best).
I think his lifetime batting average is one record that will never be broken!!!! .367
Cobb's own contemporaries voted him #1 on the 1936 Hall of Fame ballot, ahead of Ruth and Wagner.
Most of Ty’s career was during the dead ball era so I give Ty Cobb the edge as the number one baseball player of all time!!!
He is the goat
Best ever. Played game how it was meant to be played
Painted as a racist. Wasn’t the case. Came from from a family of racial freedom fighters. Greatest player in MLB history.
Racial freedom fighters? Source?
The term "racist" is but a slander used specifically against White people. For those who use the term, any sense of irony or self-awareness must be damned at any and all costs.
@@danejurus69 look this up. Hillsdale College lecture: The Character of Ty Cobb I believe was the name of it. Look up Ty Cobb and Hillsdale college it’ll pull it up. Cobb wasn’t so much a freedom fighter, but he was not a racist as portrayed. He was raised in an abolitionist family. His grandfather was a minister and a stark abolitionist. Many of the stories about him were made up. You can find this info if you really want to.
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To be fair, there were some incidents in Cobb's life that are pretty difficult to explain away. That confrontation with a Black hotel housekeeper in Pennsylvania, when he called her the "N-Word" and then shoved her down the stairs, was pretty ugly to say the least. (Biographer Charles Leerhsen', whose Cobb bio was intended to clean up the man's reputation, metions it but then pretty much glosses it over.) On the other hand, Cobb was a strong supporter of Jackie Robinson, he spoke out for the integration of baseball, and he praised Willie Mays as one of the few modern players whom he truly admired. So he was definitely a complex man -- not the wild-eyed psychopathic hater that Al Stump (and the Tommy Lee Jones movie) portrayed.
0:48 he was the best
Now I understand why Ty Cobb charged money for his autograph. Probably thought the fans would flip his signature on ebay.
I wonder how much money his autograph go for on Pawn Star?
.366 lifetime avg, beyond insane, no player will ever come within 20 points of that, ever….
Are you kidding me? First, he hit .367, second, Hornsby hit .358, less than ten points away.
@@Grizzlied555 I’m talking today’s game, pithing is too good…..
@@jimlucas3872 The pitching is not that good. The hitting is weak.
@@Grizzlied555 I meant to say, the pitching today is really good and the hitting will never catch up to allow a 367 lifetime average
Who could be placed in front of Cobb, tho? He's the best ever, IMO, maybe Ted Williams in 2nd.
You ever hear of Babe Ruth?!
@@Grizzlied555 The fat man?
The Terry Funk of Baseball
I love it
BEST BASEBALL PLAYER EVER
Babe Ruth is the best baseball playe ever and it is not that it is not even close - it is that Babe Ruth stands alone. All alone - he is the only player to be a hall of fame pitcher and hitter. So if you remove the pitching - then you can have a discussion. Cobb played most of his career in the dead bal era so naturally home runs were not something prominnet. The idea was to get on base and then steal bases. Cobb was the absolute best at that. But Babe Ruth and Ted Williams and Gehrig were the best at hiting for power and total bases. Both great, but in different eras. Ruth said that if he was gong for the "cheapy singles" he would hit 600. Both amazing. And before Cobb dominiated in the American League Honus Wagner dominated in the National League. The problem with comparing eras is that the rules are similar but the strategies are different and the SIZE OF BALL PARK WAS DIFFERENT. After Ruth started to hit home runs the ball parks started to get small in centerfield so they home runs would happen more often becuase that is the style of play that thrilled the public - still does. Babe Ruth not only saved baseball but he literarally changed the way the game is played.
Thankyou!!!!!!i was named after him……wish there was more footage of this man………Passionate on life,but played the game of baseball like life or death
The best player ever.
I would love to see the Rangers have such an amazing player on the field today.
The numerous seasons of .300+ average is legendary.
Read this over and over til it gets through your thick skulls: Ty Cobb SET MORE RECORDS in Major League Baseball than any other player in history. Consequently that makes him the best player who ever played.
As I’ve stated before, the winningest manager in baseball history; Connie Mack, was managing the A’s before Cobb’s first season (1905) and after Babe Ruth’s last season (1935), he saw each of them play and said Cobb was the best player ever.
Regardless of what the jealous haters say, Ty Cobb set the most records in baseball history, was the first HOF inductee, received HOF more votes than Babe Ruth, and recognized by witnesses and qualified experts as the Greatest Player Ever.
Fucking sad that someone gets this bent of shape about another person's opinion on who they think the greatest of all time is. Go organize your baseball cards lmao
Go take some pills dude
Too bad baseball is all pink tea today Nothing but mollycoddles.
Sounds like somebody you want fighting beside you, in a war for freedom 👍
Cobb is exactly the sort who should be an American hero, while his detractors are exactly the sort destroying this country all the while.
@@xxxYYZxxx yes ...it is a big honor 🎖 to be an American citizen 🇺🇸
@@Andrew-ci9xv thank you 😊 🙏
Pretty cool guy beat the hell out of a dude w no f’in hands real tough
Dudes with no f'n hands shouldn't run their mouths.
Poor Ty. As of May 28, 2024, his lifetime batting average of .367 is no longer tops as it has been since his retirement in 1928. It has been exceeded by Josh Gibson's .372, even though he had far fewer league plate appearances (13103 to 2526).
Josh Gibson never came close to .370 anything. Plus the negro leagues did not keep accurate track of what they did.
It is also notable that many reports from independent sources attest to his numerous acts of charity and kindness, including of the foundation he set up to fund charitable organizations (e.g., hospitals) AND finance the education of a huge number of indigent students. Yet he didn't broadcast it. IMHO, he's what I would call a true philanthropist- not someone who might try to gain personal affection or economic benefit in return.
Including supporting Mickey Cochran for most of his post baseball life.
Yeah, he didn't pose with giant checks for the press. He did it pretty quietly, which makes it all the more impressive.
Yes, Ruth, then Cobb, maybe Gehrig or Williams after them
Whoever thinks he wouldn't be a great player today doesn't know what they're talking about. When he played there were still great players. Maybe not as many but they did what they did under primitive conditions that maybe today's players wouldn't be able to handle any better than the classic players did.
Cobb was a beast then, and he would be a beast now.
A lot of intelligence in his eyes
So Cobb what would you have it with todays pitchers “ I’d say .280”
Only .280? “ yah well IM 72 “ -Cobb
Cobb best ever.
The sharpened spikes was a dirty lie. He was often employed a variety of slides to avoid contact, including different approach angles and kicking up dirt so opposing infielders couldn't see his approach to make the tag.
Pete Rose was the same kind of player.
He verbally supported the integration of the game. Poor research.
Imagine is he had power!
He did, he chose to hit for average.
Adrian Embrey, tell me how many MLB games have you watched? I know it isn’t anything compared to Connie Mack, Joe McCarthy, John McGraw and Casey Stengel. They were some of the most successful managers of all-time (19,777 regular season games managed, 10,524 wins and 22 WS rings between them) and each one of them said Ty Cobb was the best player ever. Since you weren’t around to see either Cobb or Ruth play, I’ll take the word of four highly qualified expert witnesses compared to your meaningless opinion.
Fact 1: Ty Cobb received more Hall of Fame induction votes than Babe Ruth. In other words reporters who saw both of them play voted Cobb the better player.
Fact 2: Ty Cobb set more individual baseball records than ANY OTHER player EVER, yes including Ruth.
Fact 3: Ty Cobb is still in the top 10 in more separate offensive categories than any other player. Ruth can’t say that. Plus keep in mind Cobb retired almost 100 years ago.
Fact 4; No player has hit over .400 more times in a season than Ty Cobb.
Fact 5: No player has more batting titles than Ty Cobb.
Fact 6: No player has a higher career batting average than Ty Cobb.
Fact 7: Cobb retired with more Triple Crown awards, hits, walks, doubles, triples, runs scored, stolen bases, putouts & assists than Ruth, meaning he was a better hitter, runner, and defensive outfielder.
Ty Cobb doesn’t take second to Ruth or anybody else, he was the best there ever was.
When one of the greatest homerun hitters of all time also has unsurpassed pitching records in the post season, then I tend to go for Ruth. Nice drawn out explanation though. My opinion is my opinion, if you don't like it, who cares?
I’ll concede you that Ruth was a very good hitter, a good pitcher and the most popular baseball player but it doesn’t mean he was the best player ever. I’d say top 5; Cobb, W.Johnson, Bonds, Ruth, Speaker.
Random, whose HOF plaque says, “created more records than any other player in history.” Babe Ruth or Ty Cobb? That’s right, Ty Cobb. He also received more HOF votes than Ruth from people, who, unlike you, actually saw them play. Cobb played in an era when HR’s were rare so nobody can hold that against him. When you compare apples to apples Cobb beat Ruth in batting average, stolen bases, putouts & assists. Ruth beat Cobb in power. That’s 4 out 5 categories used to rate a player for Cobb. If Ruth really was better-which he wasn’t-he would’ve received more HOF votes than Cobb since he played in the media capital of the world but he didn’t. Cobb was the first player inducted into the HOF and named the Greatest Player of All Time by a panel of baseball historians in 1960. No shame in Babe Ruth taking silver.
@@uprr00 Walter Johnson and Cy Young both said Ty Cobb was far and away the greatest ( all around ) baseball player they had ever seen or played against.
Could Cobb hit homeruns if he tried?
Five homeruns in two consecutive games , nine hits in 12 at-bats (.750), six runs, one double,11 RBIs, 25 total bases.
Ruth never did that.
Three called stolen bases on three consecutive pitches.
Ruth never did that.
Stealing every base in the same inning. (Three times)
Ruth never did that.
Stealing home plate 54 times in a career.
Ruth never did that.
The highest batting average of all time. ( Still to this day)
Ruth couldn't do that.
People remember that the ball and the game was different between the time of Cobb and Ruth.
The post deadball era baseball was more dynamic and the game not nearly as physical.
The greatest player didn't just hit and pitch, he played the entire game better than anyone else.
@@kubark1016 Here are two other reasons Ruth wasn’t better than Cobb; first during Ruth’s day the NY Yankees had the lion’s share of American League Hall of Fame pitchers i.e., Ruffing, Hoyt, Gomez, Pennock and players: Gehrig, Combs, Lazzeri, Dickey, so Ruth benefitted by having HOF’ers hit in front and behind him and face pretty much garbage pitching throughout the rest of the league. Cobb wasn’t as lucky since he faced way more HOF pitchers and wasn’t surrounded by HOF’ers on his team.
Second, in the later part of his career Ty Cobb was a player/manager so he didn’t rack up statistics like he did earlier in career since he had to focus on managing games. Just imagine his career stats had he played full-time.
It makes no sense how people who never saw Ruth play act like their opinion outweighs those of people who were there i.e. Mack, McGraw, McCarthy, Stengel, Walter Johnson & Cy Young and reporters who still gave Cobb more HOF votes than Ruth. Yes Babe Ruth was a great player, but no F’ing way was he anywhere near as good as Ty Cobb.
2nd best ever who is better 🤣
Babe Ruth
@@Grizzlied555 Not even close
@@shannonpatrick77 Surely you jest.
@@Grizzlied555 Not at all
@@shannonpatrick77 Go back to school and learn a little son. Rather, learn a lot.
By second, you mean the Greatest player ever.
Who didn't want to be ty cobb.lou brock.or Rickey Henderson...speed kills.. semper fi
He's my number 2 as well.
I am not qualified, but Lou Gehrig was. He rated them equal: Cobb, Ruth, Wagner. Ruth the best fans ball player (remember: this is entertainment!), Cobb the best individual player (took every advantage, slashed and clawed his way, unliked), Wagner the best ball players ball player. But all this is just for the limited amount of people allowed to play ball. All would be stars today, no question, but not hitting 400.
You know why Cobb would not hit 400 against today's pitching (In 1960) because he was 74 F"King years old.
They would hit .500 if they played today.
As time goes by he unfortunately looses respect as being the greatest overall player in the first 50 years of MLB. His batting average, hits, runs, and RBI totals along with his stolen base skills are unmatched in the history of the game…along with his durability and length of his career he maintained is unmatched. As well. Claims against him are borne out by people who were either jealous of him or biased against his personality and aggressive play.
a lot false information was spread about him a from a book and a movie
Not even close.
Ruth, Cobb Gehrig
Mollycoddles?
What about LOLLYGAGGERS?
Is Ken Burns getting credit for this post?
He gets the blame for distorting the facts, or just using fiction when it served his purpose. Just using that photo of Tommy Lee Jones from that POS movie discounts much of the value of this video.
@@patrickmorgan4006 for the third time. I posted these clips because I find the stories interesting. Considering there wasn't much footage of Cobb I made due. If you don't like it, don't fucking watch it. I am not a historian, or trying to get likes, shares, or make money from this dipshit.
@@AdrianEmbrey1979 How would I know whether I liked it or not unless I watched it first? Don't be so sensitive. Or if you are going to be so sensitive, turn off commenting. What did I say that was incorrect? Did you think that Jones movie was good? Accurate? Do you think Burns didn't distort facts?
Al Stump was sooo wrong with his hit piece.
Ty Cobb was a great player. 1. Ruth, 2. Cobb, 3. Gehrig, 4. Williams, 5. Mays
Second best overall, but best position player. You are comparing apples to oranges when comparing pitchers to position players. Both men, Ty Cobb and Sidd Finch are number one!
smh. That furthers my argument. Babe Ruth has records he set as a pitcher when he was at Boston that still has not been surpassed in the post season. Considering he was an amazing pitcher and one of the best hr hitters ever, I think that qualifies him as the GOAT. IMO!
Look at Ruth's 1918-19 seasons. All he did was lead the league in several offensive categories, go 22-13 on the mound, set a World Series PITCHING record, and use that record to help Boston Win its last World Series for 80+ years.
I love the way the narrator turns himself into a hypocrite, he wasnt talented compared to todays players? Then they say the next breath, that he showed great amount of talent! And how does he know how good Ty Cobb was? There’s no tape of him even playing, except the blurry old black and white 2 taping they have on him! He also adored Willie Mays amd said “He was the only player in professional baseball worth a shit” lol so there goes his racist antics that’s we’ve all been bread to believe!
Ken Burns is such a great documentarian. Babe Ruth was the greatest but Cobb is definitely right behind him.
The players that played with and against Cobb and Ruth, would disagree, as did the baseball writers voting on the first hall of fame class!! You are still entitled to your opinion!!
One thing that is absolutely not true is that Cobb wasn't a great athlete. He was a superior athlete that was brilliant and a driven man. He got the most out of his great talent. To say he wouldn't be a great player today, shows a complete lack of analytical ability. Otherwise it was a good video.
Go look up the votes for the original Baseball Hall of Fame. Who had the most? Why? People who had seen all of the greats at the time play. Also ask, why the most loved player ever got more votes than the supposed most hated player. Hmm
Woke he wasn't.
Yes, Cobb is second to Ruth. A distant second, but, definitely second.
Not according to the players ( about 80%) that played with and against both Ruth and Cobb. Not according to the baseball writers, Cobb had the. most votes, with Babe Ruth and Honus Wagner tied for second. You, however are still entitled to your opinion.
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I'm entitled to look at baseball reference. The stats overwhelmingly point to Babe Ruth. Even before the ball was livened, Ruth was a colossus. As a pitcher and a hitter.
was she having an affair? well?
Much of this is hooey …. The maker should apologize …
Look. Ty Cobb was amazing. I happen to believe Ruth was more valuable to his teams. But finishing SECOND, all time, to either guy, isn't an insult!
Thanks for posting this Adrian. Great upload.
Thank you for the compliment
Yes, second to Babe Ruth.
Cobb takes a backseat to just one man. George Herman Ruth.
100% agree
No way. Cobb was better except in overall power. Cobb was more powerful every where else.
@Alien Observer unlike Ty Cobb, Babe Ruth benefitted from having at least 11 HOF’ers on his teams; Hooper, Speaker, Combs, Dickey, Gehrig, Lazzeri, Sewell, Gomez, Hoyt, Pennock and Ruffing. If it didn’t make a difference, let’s see his numbers had he played for the Boston Braves and St. Louis Browns throughout his career without any of the aforementioned. Thus proving the point that Ruth’s teams were loaded (hitting in front and behind him) as he padded his career numbers on weak competition pretty much his whole career. In today’s terms that’d be like Shohei Otani playing on teams with Pujols, Cabrera, Trout, Freeman, Judge, Soto, Correa, Verlander, Scherzer, Kershaw and Cole each 100% healthy and in their prime.
Nevertheless, read this over and over til it gets through your thick skulls: Ty Cobb SET MORE RECORDS in Major League Baseball than any other player in history. Consequently that makes him the best player who ever played.
As I’ve stated before, the winningest manager in baseball history; Connie Mack, was managing the A’s before Cobb’s first season (1905) and after Babe Ruth’s last season (1935), he saw each of them play and said Cobb was the best player ever. Babe Ruth fans on here listen to how stupid you sound; “Connie Mack is full of sh*t and doesn’t know what he’s talking about, but you who only read about Ruth know more than he does.” Sorry fools it doesn’t work that way.
Regardless of what simpleton Ruth zombies think, Ty Cobb is the player who set the most records in baseball history, the first HOF inductee with more votes than Babe Ruth, and recognized by witnesses and qualified experts as the Greatest Player Ever.
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Ruth was better.
You get paid by the word, you long-winded gasbag?
My father wasnt around so im argry - pac
You had lots of 'uncles'... at least that's what your mommie called them.
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Ruth/Cobb/Gehrig
I'd pick Gehrig over Cobb.
Babe Ruth's wife dated Ty Cobb. She said that Cobb was a greater baseball player than Ruth but Ruth was a nicer person.. Truth is that Ruth was a big kid who ate drank and screwed women with no real regard for the consequences. Even after he married and "settled down' he still regularly cheated on his wife. Ruth was the greatest all round baseball player and no one is even close. Shotani is not on the same level as Ruth. Ruth is the only Hall of Fame hitter and pitcher. Cobb didn't like Ruth's style of play. He thought the way he played made for a better baseball game. Get a single, then steal, then steal then steal (even home base). He thought that was more interesting and exciting than just swing the bat and hit the ball over the fences. Cobb once announced in ythat for one week he will try to hit home runs. What he did that week no one ever has done. But Ruth's way of hitting home runs ended up being the future. Here is what happened when Cobb wanted to go for the long ball. Home runs were simply not part of Cobb’s game. By 1925, now 38 years old and player-manager for the Tigers, Cobb may have lost a step or two, but he was still a magician with the bat in his hands.
His baseball team, however, had limped out of the gate. A 4-14 start had the fans groaning. That is where the Tigers’ record stood on the morning of May 5, 1925. That day, and the next, Ty Cobb put on the finest offensive display in his great career. And he did it with power.
Detroit was in Sportsman’s Park in St. Louis, to take on the Browns. The game of the 5th, a Tuesday, Cobb batted six times, with six hits. He also scored four runs and batted in five. But the big surprise was his three home runs. His other extra-base hit that day was a double, giving him 16 total bases, establishing a new modern major league record (the mark has since been tied, and broken, by several players; Shawn Green now holds the big league mark with 19). His three bombs tied him with four other players for the most in a modern-day game (One of the other players was Babe Ruth himself, a fact which must have tickled Cobb to no end.). Incidentally, the Tigers won the game, 14-8.
But Cobb’s hitting spree was far from over. In the next day’s game, also in St. Louis, he went 3-for-6, with two runs scored and six RBIs. He also clouted two more home runs. His five homers in two consecutive games was something that had never been done before, not even by the Bambino. It is a mark that has not been eclipsed to this day, although it has been equaled by 28 players.
Cobb’s two-day output reads thus: nine hits in 12 at-bats (.750), six runs, one double, five homers, 11 RBIs, 25 total bases. His nine hits were made consecutively. On the negative side of the ledger, he was caught stealing once. The Tigers also won the second game by a score of 11-4.
Of course, the footnote to the tale is that, just prior to the first game, Cobb was sitting in the dugout with a reporter and pointed out, “I’ll show you something today. I’m going for home runs for the first time in my career.” Whether the story is apocryphal or not, it makes for a great legend. It also proves that Cobb could indeed hit the long ball when he felt like it.
The next day, however, having proved his point, Cobb went right back to his old style. He did not hit another home run until June 2. He finished with 12 homers in 1925, equaling his career-high. But for at least two days in the middle of the new Home Run Era, Ty Cobb was just as powerful as the great Babe Ruth.
Men don’t cheat we exercise options….woman cheat.
Great comment Larry, My Dad got Ty's autograph in 1955 at a Seals game. I did a Show on Ty talking about those 2 days that he did what he said he was gonna do, hit Home Runs, and he did, then when back to hits and steals. My Dad said Ty was tall. Peace
Who's number one? It's either Pete Rose, Barry Bonds, Rogers Hornsby or Ken Griffey Jr. Every era was different and not as hard as the next. You really can't say definitively who's the best of all time.
In my opinion Babe Ruth because anytime you are a pitcher who has records that has not been surpassed in the post season to this day, and you hit that many home runs, and won that many times, I say that equals the best. Best overall talent (based on records) one would have to go with Ty Cobb
Pete Rose was not #1 in his era. He had more total hits in his career than anyone, and was certainly a great player, but he is not even in the conversation for greatest of all time. Just to name one, Rod Carew was a much better hitter than Rose in Rose's era. Neither hit for power and Carew's career BA was 25 points higher than Rose's. To name another, Henry Aaron, whose last half overlapped Rose's first half, had the same career BA and OBP, but hit 595 more home runs.
"Second"... HA!
Personally, I rate him fourth behind Ruth, Mays, and Aaron (in that order), but if he's not on your shortlist, you're doing it wrong.
Any "greatest" lists have to be delineated by:
-->Pre 1947
-->Post 1947
No. They don't.
Poor Ken Burns. Couldn't even do a little research on the greatest ever. Sorry documentarian. Even included a phony story about how his mother killed his dad. Piss poor.
Who the fuck said I was a documentarian? This man is very interesting to me so I put together clips that I found intriguing. If you don't like it, fuck off. I don't care about likes, shares, and def not how I make a living retard.
If he interests you then read a book. Don't post a bunch of bullshit lies that Ken Burns made money on.
so if its printed in a book its factual? Hmmm. Didn't realize that, dumb fuck. Take your insecure pussy ass somewhere else.
@@samjohnson9904 By the way, maybe I should take notes on your amazing videos you have uploaded on some skanky ass phone.
@@AdrianEmbrey1979
I didn't say you were a documentarian. But i'll say you're a duushbag. Better?
Yep. Ruth first, Cobb second. It cannot really be seen any other way.
It easily can.
Had a black daddy
No f'n way is that stance or swing successful against 90mph+ heat, high spin rate curves, or dominant cutters! Y'all need to leave 'dreamland'!
I think you are completely wrong. His stance is meaningless. It's what he did when the pitch was coming that counts. Cobb was able to adjust to any type of pitch by controlling what he did with the bat, and he was capable of doing whatever he wanted with it, and his swing was just fine. He could swing away when he wanted, or punch the ball through holes in the infield if the situation called for it. Cobb might not have hit a career .366 today, but he would have been well over .300. The man was an artist with the bat. It's why he despised the power game.
@@patrickmorgan4006 You're right. Cobb would eat these defensive shifts alive with his split-grip swing. These idiots today can't get hits when the other team gives them a complete side of the diamond with one infielder. Shameful! Played same day as his tonsilectomy. Modern player can't play with a blister on his pinkie.
@Alien Observer, Try putting a high spin-rate and 90mph+ fastballs on a baseball, as one sportswriter from that era described as "rather soft, mushy, and sawdust-like!" That's why there was fewer arm injuries! NOBODY in their right mind would try to 'Nolan Ryan' a ball of that composition and most pitchers of the era pitched side-arm with an easy slinging motion, no powerful leg drives, vicious body torques, or harsh hand and arm deliveries and releases! The game was still in it's infancy as was player fundamentals and techniques! Try getting hooked on TRUTH SERUM, you just might like it! Segregated baseball was NOT the sport's best era and neither were most of it's participants, plain and simple! 🤣😂😅
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@Alien Observer, l have forgotten more about baseball than you will ever KNOW and still KNOW more than you EVER will, ROOKIE! You racists ALWAYS trying to make all white baseball and it's players as the best era the game has ever seen! A 100% proven LIE!
Ty Cobb said Ruth was the best…Willie Mays, Hank Aaron right there..
I think he overestimated the importance of baseball..Its not war, it's hitting a ball with piece of wood..That said, Bonds was better
bonds cheated... he was declining... and then all of a sudden he is miraculously rejuvenated... bigger, better and stronger than he was in his early 20s? he never would of hit 500 HRs without the PEDs... never would of had all those MVPs... Clemens did the exact same thing...
Ty cobb original baseball ⚾️ hitters;; 400 batting average in a major league season: 4000 hits:: Barry bonds never did that;;; steroids free;;; Barry bonds fans
Your only saying Bonds was the best because he gave you part of his stash of drugs.
Barry Bonds the best ever
Agree
You best be trolling.
@@scvman992000 You only agree because Bonds gave some of his stashed to you.
@@detroitandclevelandfan5503 Nope. I think he’s the best ever.
@@scvman992000 Yeah guy who took steroids to enhance his performance because he sucks. Yeah best ever 🙄
Whites only baseball
The good old days.
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We need to bring that back.
Ty cobb would have ate up satchel paige& other negro league pitchers