All Terrain Tire Buyer's Guide - Goodyear, Mickey Thompson Baja Boss, Toyo, General Grabber
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All-Terrain Tire Buyer's Guide - Goodyear, Mickey Thompson Baja Boss, Toyo, General Grabber, BFG K02
This is Round 2 where we compare you, the viewers, top requested tires. The Mickey Thompson Baja Boss AT, General Grabber ATx, Goodyear Wrangler Duratrac, and the Toyo Open Country AT3. Learn how to tell the difference between All-Terrain tires and pick the best one for what you are actually going to use it for. A/T tires can be challenging because they usually aren't actually good at All Terrain... make sure to get the best All Terrain tire for you.
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WHAT IS YOUR FAVORITE TIRE... AND WHY?
Just finished up a set of Wildpeaks, running KO2’s on the wife’s rig, but had to give the Baja Boss AT’s a shot this time around. so far really impressed with road manners for how aggressive the tire is. Looking forward to see how they handle snow.
I like it...you clearly experiment with different tires.
GOODYEAR WRANGLER ULTRATERRAIN A/T
265 /70 R16 112S SL SBL
I put these on my 2000 4runner when I first got it and they do great on and offroad. Super quiet, have avoided many accidents from other stupid drivers. Grippy offroad. Would recommend.
Baja boss MT 60k miles in 2 years takes on every weather situation with confidence and no cupping or irregular wear! Will buy again and again and again.
Maxxis Razr AT811. Half the price of BFG AT and arguably better overall, low road noise, 3 peak, 60k warranty, not everyone has them.
Hands-down, this is some of the best off-road tire content that I’ve ever seen. Well done guys, keep up the good work.
I have been selling tires for over 35 years, I love tire reviews and I try to test as many tires as I can so I can recommend good tires to my customers. My favorite tire of all time is the Mickey Thompson Baja A/T, it excels in snow, eats mud for breakfast and is reasonably quiet. My last set was on a 2017 Chevy 3500 Diesel in 295/70R18 and I loved the tire. It is a heavy tire, but there is a lot of rubber on the ground. I ran numerous sets of Goodyear Duratracs and frankly I didn't think it was that great in the mud, and it seemed to wear quickly towing heavy on a diesel truck. When the tire got to about 50% wear, traction was poor. I am testing some Toyo R/T Trails on my current GMC 3500 Dually and so far they are doing well. I have pulled heavy trailers for over 1000 miles and the last trip was 300 miles of snow packed roads and the tire excelled in places where the snow was a little deeper on the highway. Hard pack snow and ice was about what you could expect, reasonable. I have always been a fan of the General Grabber ATX with studs for snow use and I agree with your conclusions about them. I have several sets of Toyo A/TIII on the road on customers vehicles right now and so far they like them. I also have many sets of BFG KO2's out there and some love them and some don't. As for mud tires, one of my favorites is the Mickey Thompson MTZ, I just put another set of 35-12.50-15's on my Jeep TJ and they set the bar in the mud especially when driven at around 10 psi.
First of all thanks for this comment and putting in all the effort. I think comments like this are super helpful for people trying to figure out what tires to consider… I really appreciate it.
Thanks for info
I am looking for new tyres for my Prado (I think in the US your equivalent is a GX ?) 2:52 and this info is very helpful
Cheers (from Oz)
How does your TJ handle those heavy tires? Regeared?
How much heavier is heavy Most tyres wheight about the same for size? If you go 35" the standard Dana 35 might be overwhelmed, a 44 can take it if you don't go crazzy, Push it to the limit get a Dana 60, Personaly for camping normal offroading a 33 Dia tire will get you everywhere(Reinforced sidewalls and biters a Plus, Rocks and roots will punture a sidewall) .And a standard engine will still be powerfull enough. Anyway if you need traction/power remember you have 4 Low with large tyres. Regearing isn't a priority, but if you only got 1 car for everything a 4.11 gear might help with 33" and mileage. Ups forgot to mention Get a STANDARD 5 Spd Tranny@@mfunes1494
How many miles did the Bajas last?
This was so helpful! Thank you very much. I currently have the MT ATZ and am looking for my next tyres. It was between the Wildpeaks, KO2 and MT Baja Boss. Now I will buy the Baja Boss’s with some conviction. Thanks again!
I was able to find a set of 285/33/16 MT Baja Boss tires for my 22 Bronco. Best AT tire I ever had! Great road manners, quiet and will dig through anything. I did NOT have balancing issues with my set.
Of all of the videos I watch about overlanding gear and equipment, I truly believe you do the best reviews. You don't give any indication of your preference, while just providing an honest, straight forward assessment of any product you're discussing. I've been watching tire videos for the past 12 months and I'm about to buy a set. The two videos you did on AT tires are the best. You've helped me make my decision. Thanks for the work you put into your videos!
This makes my day… I really have never been a “brand preference” person. No one company can dominate at everything… so it really comes down to personal use. Lots of good tires out there just need to pick the one that matches your use. Trying to help people figure that out… not doing it perfectly… but trying 🤷♂️
First video I've watched of yours....... great job dude! I just installed a set of the Toyo Open Country's on my Tacoma, Pizza Cutter 235/85/R16. I could not be happier with them in the snow of Northern Wisconsin! Keep the vids coming! Cheers
Thats a good tire, ran those on both a 4runner and a Jeep for a while.
Thanks for all the info and experience. Very reassuring after i bought the Mickey Thompson At’s in a 37 for my tundra. The sidewall tread sold me along with all of the great reviews. I can say that they are very quiet for how aggressive they look
I’m wasn’t kidding when I said they kind of blew me away… I didn’t think a tire could cover as many bases as this tire did.
Awesome vid! I'm running the Goodyear MTs (35s) that are the OEM bronco tire on my f150. I get people asking why did I choose that tire when there are better off-road tires, but it does what I need. 85% road, 15% hold my beverage, and it is light for a 35.
If I kick up the off-road usage, then I'll be looking at those Mickey Ts!
Awesome video! Thanks for pointing out that you had a second video (I had commented on your first one)
Can you answer a couple questions out of ALL the tires you tested?
1. What would be your best pick for snow & ice
2. What would your top 3 picks be, based on the best all-around average?
Personally I bought the Baja Boss, I'm mostly on road with lots of winter, but it gets sloppy in spring as well. So far EXTREMELY happy, after coming off years of mud tires.
Also I like that you put the Duratrac guys in their place, all the construction guys run them around here "because they always have"
Thanks again. Awesome content!
I recently bought the Baja Boss AT and so far love them. Great ride, quiet and excellent traction everywhere and that’s on a 3/4 dodge diesel. I will definitely buy again if they last the 50k.
I can't get enough of tire comparisons. Mfr's keep upgrading their products, and it's hard to keep up without videos like this!
its so true... the designers/engineers that make these things are pretty brilliant
Loved the video. Great mix of information and entertainment/production value to keep me engauged and interested the entire time. Probably one of the best tire review videos on UA-cam that didn't feel like a tire "sales" video. One part that I found very interesting was that you placed the Gen. Grabber ATX above the Wildpeak AT3W for snow performance, given how popular and widely regarded the AT3W is for its wet/snow performance, that's a pretty big achievement to be had for the Grabber ATX. I was just surprised by this, because in my opinion the General Grabbers appearance is very unasumming and I didn't expect it to have as outstanding snow performance as you state that it does in the video.
I bought a set of the General Grabber Atx and im loving them. I drive a 07 Sahara on 33s and they are great for the weekend warrior like me. I only run moderate rated trails and they've handled great!
I bought Toyo AT3s with the help of this video. You said be honest with your use. I’m a 90% road guy and a weekend fire road explorer. Previous tire was Toyo MT and absolutely hated them. Loved the look but I hated them once the weather turned bad in Reno. I literally would drive my minivan before my 4x4 truck in the winter. To be fair I bought the MTs used for half price so it was a money thing lol. Learned a lot.
I run General ATX in the mountains of NH. Lots of snow and forest service roads. Love it!
I run the Toyo AT3 (E's) on my truck and tow a boat. With that said, I'm mostly highway but appreciate the aggressive tread when i get to my destination since many lake roads are often steep gravel / dirt / tree roots, etc. mix. It seems to do fairly well in heavy rain since the AT3's are fully siped (full lug depth) as opposed to the prior set of Toyo AT2's I ran.
Just to be clear about the Baja Boss and tire rotations, as long as they are mounted to the rim with the outside out, they will rotate to any corner of the vehicle. Excellent Video!
Yup… they aren’t directional… just a designated inside
Thanks for confirming my reasoning for my purchase.
MT AT boss to fit inside my chains, for plowing.
Recently bought thr MT Baja Boss A/T and theyve been very quiet, aggressive during a trip to the most remote town in the lower 48, Jarbidge, Nevada. Miles and miles of dirt track/forest service road, up and down some steep sections, and switchbacks. Very sure footed and no drama. Now we've had a bit of snow, and it crunched over snow and crusty ice without any delay. Just drive with reasonable prudence and you won't have any problems.
@ms.annthrope415
Any update on how the MTs are still doing?
These are probably my next tire, I live in the PNW and spend a lot of time all over remote areas in the PNW, SW and everywhere in between sand, snow, rocks, washboards, washouts etc. and this tire seems like it checks all the boxes for me.
MY wife's F150 has the 275/55R20 ATX Grabbers. We've had similar experience. Great in the snow and great tread wear. The road noise has been fine. A little louder than normal touring tires but not much from our experience.
How you have made me reevaluate my tire choice, as we plan on going to Alaska next year from South Florida. I know long trip but it is something I have wanted to do for a long time and finally have the time off to do it. Looking forward to seeing the next episode in this tire series.
I'm just coming back from Alaska now after about a month and a half and then around the Arctic Circle. While, there hasn't been any deep snow , since leaving the Arctic Circle in Canada and heading over to Alaska and up to prudo Bay it is snowed quite a bit. Just last night we got three inches around fort Nelson, British Columbia. My Goodyear trail terrains have done an excellent job in the snow. The only time I need four-wheel drive is going up inclines off road. The traction and handling on these things are awesome. I think I'm going to go with the KO2 when I get back home to North Carolina. Let me know when you head up from Florida. If you need a driveway to pull into, I'm not too far away from Raleigh, North Carolina.
I love my General Grabber AT2/ATx. (I'm on my second set) the first set I put 45k miles and still had 40% tread. Definitely recommend.
Your last comment when ending your video: "I hope this was helpful". Well, it was very helpful and probably one of the best reviews on any of the 4 tires you covered that I've watched on UA-cam and I've watched a quite a few videos. Very thorough and well done. Thanks!
Thanks for the feedback... glad it helped someone 🙏 Thanks for watching.
I've tried a handful of AT tires. Nitto Ridge Grapplers, Terra Grapplers, Cooper ATP II, Dick Cepek Trail Country EXP, and recently have General Grabber ATX.
The Coopers were my favorite AT road tire, the Dick Cepek were my favorite AT/Hybrid tire for off-road. I have just shy of 4k miles on the General Grabber ATX that I got because I moved to the PNW from CA. They may be my favorite tires, we'll see once I can start off-roading with them.
This was THE BEST tire review video that I’ve ever seen. Thanks!
Wow, thanks 🙏 - it took 6 months to test and make... so I am pretty glad it turned out ok.
@@OutdoorAuto I don’t know how you’ve learned everything along the way but your expertise is really high in all things over landing. Keep it up.
I live in Michigan and I regularly go off road in some pretty tough mud and clay, to get back to my hunting and fishing spots in northern Michigan. I do no rock climbing and I have never driven off road in a desert. I air down from 33psi (paved roads) to 20psi for my off-road excursions in Michigan. I have noticed that airing down any lower risks getting sand in the bead from the tires rocking side to side while in rough, heavily rutted muddy/watery terrain, causing bead leaks (mostly on my heavier Chevy truck). I also travel a lot on snowy roads in the winter. I am on my 4th set of Goodyear Wrangler Duratracs (2 different 4x4s), purchasing the latest in October 2023 -- 2 sets on my old '04 Chevy Tahoe Z71 4x4 (w/ G80 rear locker), and 2 sets on my 2015 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland Diesel (w/ Offroad Adventure II II/Quadra-Drive II). Have crashed offroad, and even once broke a rear axle on the Chevy getting back to my hunting spot, but I have never had a sidewall issue with any of the Duratracs (so far), and they stay remarkably quiet until about 40,000 miles after which I notice they do get louder on dry pavement at highway speeds. I change them out by 50K or a little sooner. For my type of off road/on road travel, I have yet to find a year-around all-terrain tire that (would appear to) perform as well -- warm weather/snowy winter/muddy off-road -- as the Goodyear Wrangler Duratracs actually do for me. My local tire shop still recommends the Duratracs over the other all-terrain tires for my type of driving on the relatively "light" vehicles that I am driving -- no "super heavy-duty" pickup trucks.
Great video as usual. The honest comparisons are really helpful. Its almost time for me to get some new tires. Ive been a KO2 fan for a couple years but it looks like there may be better options out there now for my uses.
Well don't forget... sometime this month the K03's will be out... I still need to go test those.
Love the channel! Thank you for making this video! So helpful for all of us!
Love this video. Thank you for making it!
Mickey Thompson Baja boss at. They are amazing tires, in the dry, rain, winter, mud and soft ground. Not much road noise either. They perform way better than you would think for the tread design. Personally will by them again. And highly recommend them.
Super informative video mahn!!! loved it!!! Great efforts!!!
6 months in the making… hopefully it is helpful
All great tires and great detailed review. I had my Mickey Thompson Boja Boss ATs for over a year amd put them through Mud, dust, sand, snow, ice and they performed exceptionally well in all different types of terrains and conditions!
How deep of snow did you run with the baja boss? I'm seriously considering them for my next set of tires, but my KO2s have been amazing for what I do with them
@cbeer9824 had them on both icy packed snow and 7 inches of fresh powder. Could see it in my camping vlog videos.
This might be the best product review video I've ever watched.
I have Baja Boss A/T on my Ram 1500. They are the 34" tire. I just drove on I80 in Wyoming in a snow storm. The highway was closed but Highway Patrol let us go to Laramie from Cheyenne. For some distance it was not plowed and had six inches of snow on top of ice. They were phenomenal. Zero slipping. We had to drive around some semi's in deeper snow and a soft shoulder. Zero issue. I have also used them up in the mountain on bigger rocks. I absolutely would buy these tires again. I have had them for about 12000 miles and they are wearing great.
@jeffallen9729
Thanks for posting your experience, they sound like a great tire. Did you have any of the issues with balancing I have heard about?
Awsome review! Thanks!
I have had great success with the Firestone ATs on my hunting truck.
You do a great job putting videos together! I have General Grabber ATx, they are good for what I need!
I have 70k on my MT Baja Boss ATs, and at 5/32 down the center and 8/32 on my 2015 Duramax running 295/70/18s, that's pulling a trailer 70% of its life, owning an RV rental company and taking long road trips from Texas to California once a year. These tires are the best all-around tires I have ever owned, hands down. Rain,Mud, Snow, Sand, it just eats it all up. I even pull my 32' RV trailer on the beach in Texas to camp with no problems; it never gets stuck. Those sidewalls are so amazing in sand and mud.
Facts they take alot of weights to balance, and have them turn tire on rim and re-balance them. And are heavy tires and lost MPG from prior tires about 1-2 mpg. I'll take the lost to have such a amazing performance tire with 129 load index rating
I got the general grabbers atx studded for winter on my Nissan Frontier. I live in BC and do a lot of hunting. These tires are fantastic for snow running offroad. Gotten myself in and out of some sticky situations with them.
I have the Toyo OC AT3 on my lifted 05 Subaru WRX in 215/75/15 in northern Michigan and it was fabulous in winter and never left me feeling like I couldn’t travel even in the worst snowstorm. For my application, they felt far superior to the Michelin X Ice I had on for a winter season.
I Just yesterday installed some 255/80/17 (33x10.5) Load E Toyo OC AT3 on my 2005 Sequoia and I’m really looking forward to seeing how they do this winter. I’ll hopefully come back to this comment and update my findings.
I should also say, on my Subaru they made 0 road noise, even at 100+ mph and handled incredibly well at these high speeds surprisingly. The 33’s I just put on my sequoia have about 10k miles on them since I bought them used, but even at 80mph there’s some noise but it’s just as much as the Goodyear Wrangler ATS I had on before. AND each tire balanced out with less than 2oz per tire even after 10k miles on the rear of a dually.
Thanks for your comment. Did you have any problems with your at3 because of the Standard load rating (rather than 'E')? I'm looking into buying the same size but the info in this video holds me back atm.
Interesting about the Falken Wildpeaks. We run the A/T Trails on our Subaru Ascent. We've done numerous offroad trips (thousands of miles now?), including part of the BDR trails in Utah (through Moab as well) and Washington state. We've taken them through mud, dirt, rock, gravel, dry and wet, everything in between and they have been absolutely amazing. Performed far better than I ever expected, until..... last weekend, we took them with a group up into the fresh powder (about 18" fresh and actively snowing). A Toyota Tacoma was lead vehicle (we were first on the trail, so the Tacoma was plowing), we were 8th out of 9 vehicles and we were the only vehicle to get stuck (3 times!), had to get a pull out each time. Everyone else had zero issues. So in the snow, these were very underwhelming.
However, I am about to buy the Wildpeak AT3W within a day or two for another deeper snow run (probably closer to 2ft deep). I'm expecting a lot (of snow performance) out of the AT3W, we are also going from 245/60R18 to 265/60R18, so more sidewall and about 1" taller overall (29.6" up to 30.5"). Not huge tires by any means, but much deeper tread, slightly wider and taller. I think this will allow us to air down a bit more than usual too and also help us float on top of the snow a bit better.
We plan on continuing to put miles on our A/T Trails (spring/summer/fall) and use the AT3W for winters until the A/T Trails are used up, then just run the AT3W year-round.
Sounds like a solid plan... snows is tricky because it can present itself so many ways... I was just out in over 2 feet of snow that was pure unpackable dust... it was sub zero so nothing would stick... it was like driving in moon dust and pretty much no tire had traction... aired down to 2 PSI and just had to try to float as long as I could. We got stuck a lot...
Hands down.. best tire video out there!
I have a 2011 GMC 1500 and currently run General AT W and it has been a good tire. I buy 8 or 10 ply’s for my half ton because I have had 50 cent piece sized holes punch through Light Truck tires. Have not had a flat since going to 8 or 10s. Previous to this I had Cooper AT/W and found them to handle significantly better on road than the General (very spongy on road) and do better off-road as well, especially in deep snow. I can’t really speak to mud performance as I don’t do a lot of mud wheeling. The Generals were about $300 less per tire than the Cooper, so there is that. Got similar mileage out of both, but due for a new pair. Great video, might be going to the Mickey Thompson for my next set.
Liked and subscribed, I really appreciate this comparison!
Lots of info and honest first hand knowledge! Great review!
I greatly appreciate your knowledge and attention to detail when explaining the tech behind these tires. I've been building my rig for the past year now and Im getting close to being ready for new tires and thanks to your video, I believe I see a set of Mickey Thompsons in my future
Excellent review and explanation! I have BFG KO2's on my Jeep - moderate to challenging 4x4 trails and pavement. General Grabber's on my Nissan PRO-4X - moderate 4x4 trails and a lot of pavement. Toyo's on my off road tear drop trailer - easy 4x4 trails and a lot of pavement All of this matches your observations!
Ive got a frontier pro 4x myself, how do you like the grabbers? Im looking to get a new set of tires here soon and just not sure which way to go.
@@milesruby3271I picked them for moderate 4x4 trails, street driving and towing a light tear drop trailer with my Frontier. My truck has a modest Old Man Emu lift.Grabbers have a substantial load rating and they are a good choice for my use. The KO2's are better in the dirt; but unless your a very serious off road driver, the Grabber's are a better choice over-all
@onefastcyclist mine is my daily driver so primarily road use. However i do live on a pretty rugged uphill gravel road which is only a problem when it snows. So for my use my main concerns are road use, wet pavement, snow and some light off road for fishing and arrowhead hunting. I had been looking at toyo open country at3 and falken wildpeaks but apparently they have been discontinued. But after seeing those grabbers they look good
I was a huge KO2 fan boy for a long time and decided to make the switch to the Baja Boss AT after seeing how aggressive they looked. I could'nt be happier, they ride super smooth and are still quiet on the highway. I get tons of compliments on them.
I know people love to argue about tires... but it seems like almost everyone can agree they are awesome looking tire.
How are they in wet snow? My wildpeaks fishtailed pretty bad last weekend but might just be because how big the tires are on a light truck
@alexs825 they've been truly impressive in everything. I'm extremely impressed. Ima try out new ko3 next and stick whichever I like best.
@@jwatt95 yea I woulda had the Baja boss but they didn’t know how to produce them when I was buying. Gave up after 3 months
@alexs825 got mine from a local shop. They also have 80k miles on them with 10/32 left. Had 18/32. 7000 pound yukon denali from the added weight and I also tow often.
I have the Toyo AT3 on my f350 dually. I love um. Ive never had a traction problem on any kind of surface or towing.
Mickey Thompson Baja Boss AT. Hands downs the best tire. Made in America on top of that 🇺🇸. Can’t go wrong with a set of these.
I’ve had numerous tires over the years, more recently the following-
Goodyear Duratrac- bought them when they first came out for an F350 I had at the time. I thought they were loud and very squirmy. I did not like them and had them replaced by Goodyear.
Goodyear Silent Armor- replaced the Duratrac above. Solved the handling and excessive noise issue, but I felt that they sucked on slushy roads and lane changes in winter…guessing due to the center tread pattern.
Goodyear Wrangler SR-A factory tires on my current 2018 2500HD when it was new. They were not exciting at all but wore great, were quiet, did well in snow (multiple snowmobile trips with trailer from northern Ohio to the U.P. and out west), and did well enough on very mild two-track trails in the U.P. I put ~30k miles on them and they were about 1/2-2/3 worn.
Grabber ATX on the same 2500HD. Bought them due to the reasonable price and snow traction review. They were louder than I expected, had a harmonic noise at certain speeds that would not go away after multiple rotations and attempts to rebalance (which took a lot of weight). Wanted to like them but they drove me nuts snd I had them warrantied by General/Discount Tire. Never got them into snow. Had them less than 4000mi. The cushioning layer that this video references along with General’s marketing was absolute fluff.
BFG KO2’s on the same 2500HD. These were the tires I wanted when I opted for the cheaper ATX’s. I got 59,000 happy miles out of them with even wear, and could have confidently gotten another 10k before the wear indicators. They were quieter than the Grabber ATX’s, took less weight to balance and were smoother, did awesome in all sorts of winter conditions both empty and towing, excellent wet traction, they looked great…all good things. My only gripe is that they did start to get a bit noisy after 45k.
BFG KO3’s replaced the KO2’s. I bought them off Simple Tire within a day of them becoming available. I expected to love those things even more than the KO2’s, but they were awful. I noticed they cost me about 1-1.5mpg, were louder, and rode like octagons in comparison to the KO2’s. I also tried to have them rebalanced and rotated at least twice in less than
Subscribed. Thank you for taking the time and money to make this video. I was in the market and almost went with DuraTracs. This is before I saw your review. I really like your style and hope you reach your goal.
Keep an eye out on the new Duratracs... I have a feeling they will be pretty solid.
KO2’s have been great! A bit noisy but really good traction down to 30% tread life. Had these on a 1/2 ton.
I enjoy your expertise on tires…great information and your technical views are great…Aloha
Great continuation of the tire series
Thanks... I had so many questions from people I kinda had to follow it up.
Very good review because tires are very overwhelming to buy,great job
Great video.
I'm a fan of MT AT. Quiet and very good offroad.
Firestone XT are hands down the best Street AT tire. In mud they do amazing and one of the only tires where the tire sipes go all the way through the tread. I have had them all!!! JMO
I agree- they perform very well.
Great job i needed this
Great video,
I'm running the toyo at3 37x12.5r18 on my 3500 at4, so far they've worked awsome. I had the bfg at ko2 on before but were toast in 10k miles. I live off a rough dirt road and constantly deal with thick mud and snow, the bfg works better in the mud but everywhere else the toyo is far better, especially when towing. Gonna put the falken on the wife's yukon next week and see how they work over the up comming winter. Used the bfgs for years but considering how fast they dissolved on my truck and almost similar on my yukon I'm finally trying new stuff and I'm liking it.
I really do like the Toyo AT3 for the heavy duty "Job site" trucks... some of the best off-road AT tires I think are so off-road focused they cant hold up on the heavy duty trucks sometimes... but that is a bit of a blind spot for me... I don't have anything bigger then a 1/2 ton.
Have had KO2, Wildpeakes, and the Grabbers. Grabbers were best for my road, snow, rain, and forest roads.
That makes sense… see I love comments like this cause you fit a tire to your actual use.
I have the BF Goodrich trail terrains and love them they are great on road off road and especially in the snow I have 50 k on mime and they still have a lot of tread on them
Great info here, for sure! Really interested in the Baja ATs.
I put the 31.5" Baja Boss A/T in an SL rating on my Tacoma and could not be happier. I am mostly on-road and these tires are very impressive. They come in at 42# and unlike most SL rated tires these still have 3 ply sidewalls.
I really liked how they carried the 3 ply sidewall down to a lot of different ratings.
@OutdoorAuto does the rating matter that much? I need tires for my mail delivery rav4 but all the D rated tires are stupid high, and the last set only lasted 20k miles. Would an SL or XL last at 50% rough dirt roads?
Great work on the two videos in this series. I have learned so much from these and the way you presented the matrial was great. I have an additional question that I see come up in some of the 4x4 threads. Is there any difference in a tire that would lead you towards choosing it for a jeep/suv vs a full size truck?
I have a 4Runner and have had both the General Grabbers 265/70/17 and the Mickey Thompson Baja Boss 285/70/17 (3" lift required). The Generals were great on road and in snow but not great off-road or in mud. They were on my vehicle when I bought it. I put 18,000 miles on them and they wore well (some minor cupping) with 5000 mile rotation. I sold them (still plenty of tread left) when I added the lift and bought the Baja Boss. I have had the Baja Boss about 17,000 miles so far. They are larger and much heavier so I lost about 2MPG. They are surprisingly good on road and in rain/snow. Only slightly louder than the Generals and they were pretty quiet. They are far better off road and I feel very confident with their toughness. I don't do a lot of rock crawling, mostly camping and Overlanding but I have had them in rocks, sand, mud, snow and many dirt/gravel rutted roads. The tread isn't cut or damaged and seems to be wearing well without much increase in noise. It seems my experience is similar to yours. I haven't used the others but have heard good things about the Wildpeaks from people in my 4Wheeling groups. Nice to see an actual long term test on tires without the corporate spin. Keep up the good work! Maybe we will see each other on the trails someday...Traveling Man.
For the M/T are you running a E-rated tire or the Standard Load? Wondering if I can get away with SL to compensate for some of that weight (49 lbs for the SL vs 65 lbs per tire for the E). I currently have E-rated KO2 275/70/17 weighing about 55 lbs a piece so hesitant on further degrading the mileage and straining other components with an additional 40 lbs weight all around. Thanks in advance.
I would go with SL rated. I have E rated and they are heavy and overkill for a 4Runner
Really interesting review I was working at a Goodyear dealer when the duratrac came out. I loved them on my Sonoma. On my current ‘02 Sierra 2500hd I’ve run 315/75r16 KO2s, then a set of duratracs (which were excellent for me). I just replaced them with a set of Hercules Terra Trac MT which I think are my favorite to date.
New subscriber. Excellent comparison
I love my Toyo A/T3s and you are absolutely correct about their pros and cons. However I will say they are absolutely perfect in the sand and very good in unplowed snow. Wet is surprisingly bad.
Your reviews are unbiased, subbed
I really don't have a favorite manufacturer... they all are pretty much competing and constantly leap frogging each other... makes it easy to be unbiased
Great review, about balancing tires in those sizes, i will never go back to regular balance weights after i throw in some coated micro glassball beads. so much comfirtable to drive with🙂
Nice review for sure. Also curious about those little cutouts.
This video was very informative and helpful! Thank you
Have a set of toyo at3s on my chevy 1500 overlander. They are the best all around tires if everd had in 30 years of wheeling. They have 30k miles on them and still have plenty of tread left, they are quite, and they have great traction offroad. My truck doesnt have lockers, but I rarely find myself loosing traction enough to need them. I'll probably be throwing a set of these on my gmc 2500 when its nitos wear out.
My grabber ATX's have been wonderful. I have 265-70-17s (e rated) on my 4runner. I have pulled trailers, hauled my dual sport on my hitch, been up and down miles of logging roads and put 78k miles on them. Probably had another 15k on them but my shocks went out and they started cupping really bad.
I found them to be quiet and comfortable, but they are also the first AT tire I've run. I know comfort is subjective so for reference, my daily driver is a 2500HD work van on e rated tires, and my better half has a mustang with the track package. None of our vehicles are "soft" riding.
I love my Mickey Thomson Baja ATZs have had great luck with them great on and off road when they wear out, I’m going with the Baja Boss AT
New Sub! Thanks for doing these videos out of your pocket guys! Although I’m not in the market for new AT’s tires but this definitely helps when the day comes.
Great video, thanks
Falken Rubatrex on my F-150... Excellent tire.
So far one of the best at tires test!
I learned a lot of things that I never knew. Came handy as I'm on the market looking for tires
I have 84,000 miles on my 285/70/17 ko/2's and am ordering a new set today (5th set ive owned, and i am 100% never changing to a different tire)
The ONLY thing better than these is the original BFG all-terrain's i use to buy for my tacoma, that they no longer make!
Ive pulled bolts, nails, screws out of the tread without having to repair them, no leaks.
Ive scuffed the sidewalls on extreme trail rides and never had a gash/roll off/cut that caused concern.
I run these on 2 vehicles: 2000 jeep xj and a 2003 toyota sequoia, both are modified for off-road use.
I bought my MT BB AT 37's in Aug of 22 for my 18 2Dr JK daily driver & after 25K, I've been to Ouray (alpine loop), Moab, Hot Springs twice, Smores, Krocks, Tuttle & I have 0 complaints, but the one thing you mentioned is true with mine, lots of weights.
I did 37s as well, but I knew with the weight of the tire I was going straight to balancing beads. Saved me time of balancing them at work when mounting and rotations. I’ve had them up to 80mph with no vibrations.
Great video for those of us who don't know what all the jargon means. Thanks 😄
Just found your channel and loved your video.Great content. Subscribed
Awesome, well welcome to the community Dennis... thanks for watching.
Regarding the sand comment. I have a set of General Grabber ATX 265/70/17 115s on a 2009 GMC Canyon Z71 4x4. I took this set up thru some very deep, long and steep sandy areas at a desert lake in Mew Mexico. The area is notoriously known for getting peoples vehicles stuck in the sand. Tires were a little over a year old with about 15k miles on them, so fairly newish still. They did really well the entire time. While I did feel myself digging in and bogging down some on the steep uphill slopes, I never got stopped or stuck, I just kept on the gas, and it kept pulling thru. It was worth noting that the truck was in 4x4 hi, and the truck was equipped with 4.10 gearing, a g80 rear locker, and a 5.3L V8 engine with 320 ft lbs torque. Somewhat aggressive drive train for a small/midsized compact pickup. Side note that the tires overall have been great in all conditions off and on road from mud, snow, ice, rocks, wet and dry and desert sand. They have been very quiet overall as well. However, started getting noisy just this month with about 35k miles on them. I did, however, go double time on my rotation the last 10k and did experience some minor cupping. Very minimal, however, considering not rotating them. Also, since the truck has a solid rear axle, once I rotated them they immediately started to even out on the back eliminating the minor cupping. Road noise has been improving as the cupping evens out.
Sand is really tough to talk about because there are so many factors, like how course the sand is... but also Humidity and moisture content is absolutely a game changer. Down in Hurricane, Utah (Matts Off-Road Recovery area) a spot can go from easy to impossible just based on heat and humidity.
I had the Grabber ATx on my RAM 1500. I found that they wore VERY quickly. They were OK in mud. Wet performance lacked and got a lot worse as the tires wore. They were loud. And I didn't find they soaked up the bumps, as you mentioned. *shrug* Now I am looking for a new set of tires for my new truck. I have street Dueler H/L Alenza which just look so whimpy on a truck. LOL
Got a good chuckle when you mentioned that you have to pay attention to the inside of the tire in the new Mickey Thompsons. Unless you are removing the tire from the rim, the tire will always be on the inside, regardless of where the tire is on the vehicle. Good review my man.
Yeah I probably needed to explain that better… I switch tire and rims a lot… those have already been changed twice… testing tires is a lot of work
I had general grabbers on one my plow trucks, differently great in snow and long lasting.
I have a 60 mile driveway for one of our remote basecamps... it will be snow covered in a week or two... hoping they can get me through there all winter.
Loved the AT3s on my Gladiator.
Subscribed. Great Comparision!
Thanks for watching 🙏
Great video! I was an auto tech for quite a few years and one tire that never seemed to be consistent was the BFG K02. They seemed to really suffer (rock hard) when temps got in the single digits or less. I’ve owned Duratracs and was very impressed, by far my favorite Goodyear tire which I normally don’t care for. I’m running Kenda Klever RT KR601 33x10.50r17 currently on my Tacoma. It’s been a great overall except for ride quality and weight. Especially noticeable on a small truck like a Tacoma.
I haven't been able to test the Kenda's yet... but I have heard good things from a few people.
@@OutdoorAuto I’ve been pretty impressed with them over the last 10k or so. They are more quiet than I expected. But since the are an E-Load rated tire, they ride like a brick. So far they’ve done pretty well in dry and wet, snow is decent but not the best out there and off road has been pretty awesome, but I try to avoid mud so I don’t personal experience there. Also, the 33’s are around 65lbs each, so on a Tacoma you can definitely feel it and notice it in fuel mileage.
I have ran KO2 in Northern Ontario providing all weather service to remote mining sites. Probably went through 4 sets. Never let me down in ice, muddy trails and 2 ft of snow.
Falken Wildpeak AT3W has my vote. I live out in the country and you have to drive through dirt and gravel road to get to the black top. Don't think there's a better well balanced tire than that.
I recently bought Toyo Open Country AT 3’s,, FANTASTIC tires ! Like my General Grabber ATX’s but Toyo hands down is the better choice
great video!
Bravo! Best tire review ever? I ended up getting some maxxis razr AT in an 35x11.5. I was also looking at the nokian outpost atn. I would love to see some thoughts on those.
The open country all-terrain tire regarding the three ply load E reading. Load in a three ply sidewall depends on your tire size. If you use a straight stock tire size on a heavy duty truck in a load E rating more than likely it’s going to be a two ply sidewall.
Falken wild peak, great off road, great on ice and snow, city of hwy. Gas milage is pretty good aswell
Theyve been discontinued for some reason, of course right as i was going to get a set
@@milesruby3271it's been replaced with the AT4W
At4 was a balance issue going on right now
Im a logger in western Oregon and have the Mickey T BB A/Ts on my diesel colorado zr2. On my second set and love them! I cover about 40k miles a year and these tires are holding up quite well. I was blown away by their wet pavement handling and its critical for me as I am often coming off a greasy slimy logging road thats in a blind corner at the pavement, at 55mph. They really do handle the off highway/road environments very well and the on road charachteristics are great! Cant say enough good about them. I have had a few flats, but thats to be expected in this line of work unfortunately, luckily nothing sidewall related. These tires cover it all really well. Tire weight hasnt been a big deal as my truck has 500lb ft of torque to push it along, but I must admit I noticed it a little at the pump lol!
I will have to give these a shot. Coming up in a logging family in Oregon as well I spend a ton of time in the hills.
Pirelli scorpion all terrain plus - I’ve been running them for 2 years, 40,000kms. Love there on road performance, particularly in the wet. Great off road, mud, dirt, sand and snow. No extreme rock crawling experiance, but interested to hear other people’s thoughts?