It funny how despite his age Holyfield's ability to hurt Bowe increased dramatically in each of their fight. He went from being unable to move Bowe in fight 1, to being able to wobble Bowe slightly in fight 2, to being able to knock him flat on his back in fight 3. Holyfield strength increase at heavyweight was remarkable!
@@joetabner4937 Exactly! ‘Evans Fields’ - the mystery man behind the purchase of PEDs, Holyfield picked up an investigators phone call to the Evans Fields number in 2007 when they dialled, then he lied like hell to cover his ass 😂
@@Pulsonar yea. They had 5 numbers for him he answered 3 of them also his wife was a high up nurse/doctor and had acsess too allsorts..plus he looked jacked as hell vs tyson compared too vs bowe
@@Pulsonar … Haha. Yes, I remember that documentary. Nonetheless, I know many gentleman who have taken PED/Steroids and never made it to the professional ranks. Therefore, even on PED’s, there is absolutely no substitute for hard work, sacrifice and lots of talent! 💥🥊
@@dr.clivejames4567 Nobody’s saying Holyfield lacked boxing talent, a great chin and courage, it was there for everyone to see. But remember Holyfield was never a natural heavyweight he was small. I believe he got a little help from somewhere when you look at the muscle fibre recruitment around his trapezius during his training up to a fight in the 90s that’s a dead give away amongst others. You see the same in MMA/K1 fighters like Alistair Overeem, and that big lump Bob Sapp, the difference in physique between steroid cycles is clear.
Im so happy i lived in the era to see Bowy vs Evander all 3 fights in live TV. I realized it was great fights back then. But i don't think i realized HOW great they really were! My favorite one is the first fight.
Ironically, Bowe's best chance of beating Lewis was right after he'd taken the title from Holyfield. Instead of listening to his idiot manager (Rock Newman), Bowe should've defended that WBC title against Lewis. I think he would've won because, as pros, Bowe developed quicker than Lewis did. In 1992, Lewis was just a KO puncher looking to blast away his opponents. Bowe was far more well-rounded and had a better chin. Once Lewis hooked up with Emmanuel Steward, it was game over. There's no way that Bowe could've beaten him then because Lewis became a formidable Heavyweight with brains as well as power (add to that, Bowe was in fast decline after his wars with Holyfield). In short, 1992-94 was Bowe's best chance of beating Lewis. Post-1994, Lewis wins easily... P.S. People that don't understand boxing always point to that 1988 Olympic final, but it was a premature stoppage in a fight that Bowe had been winning up to then.
lol lol not 92-94 plus the fact that Lewis had a terrible chin I think bowe would’ve always carried a risk factor for him but we will never find out now n it was one of the greatest robberies to fans in sports history I put that in the top 5 easily
lol lol my other sports robberies r in no special order. Tyson going to prison when him n Holyfield were getting ready to fight the first time.michael jordan retiring in the two year span they would’ve faced the Houston rockets that two years. The 15-1 vikings having Gary Anderson miss his only field goal of 1988 to not get to see them play the Broncos! And never getting the pacquio Mayweather fight in the 8 year stretch before they fought when they were still in their primes! I have more but they were the ones that bothered me for as long as I can remember! I also wanted to see that fight billed battle of the ages when foreman and holmes were scheduled to fight a hw title fight til george was robbed of a u’d vs Briggs! I was just very intrigued to see how that fight would’ve went but for my own personal reasons n I know the general fan base probably didn’t care for it
Amazed that bowe says herbie hide hit him harder than holyfield. I remember the punch though - riddick's legs `went`, but he recover pretty quick. It just shows that fighters are sometimes very good at covering up the effects of a blow. I remember george foreman saying gerry cooney hit him as hard as anyone but you have to look very close to see that punch.
And i must mention Shannon Briggs. Bowe , Tyson , all came from Brownsville Brooklyn. All wonderful stories and i am glad i have got to see all them legends fight
Lennox Lewis hails from West Ham London and he beat all three of them. He has a great story. Such a legend, hall of famer and above all them fighters you mentioned in the all time HW ranking.
Yah but mercer was fucking scary, people talk about mike Tyson but at least mike Tyson UD a breaking point where he would mentally give in, ray mercer was this freight train that would not stop until yiu were out cold quivering on the floor. I think mercer would’ve kod Tyson worse than Holyfield.
@@m-cra1370 very true! Oliver McCall and Ray Mercer had the best chins in the business! Word on the street was that post prison Mike Tyson ducked him and I believe it was true, because he would have knocked Mike out.....
I don't see the similarity between Hide and Mercer. Hide was known as the dancing destroyer, really quick on his toes with great speed. Mercer was much slower, stronger and more methodical. Both had power, Hides power was one punch KO fast shots, Mercer had strong hooks. Of course the biggest difference was their chins, Mercer one of the best, Hide one of the worst.
Oh snap, BLOOD BOXING!!! Well the Gym is open from Monday to Friday, you could always swing by there. Hell if your here, i'd have no problem meeting you one day.
Herbie Hyde was a fast hard hitting spitefull puncher he just lacked size /weight bowe was durable so for Hyde to have hurt him he was capable of stopping anyone unfortunately like Mike tyson when his speed left him he became vulnerable
Holyfield hit a lot harder than everyone gave him credit for. He dropped tyson like it was nothing. Also David Haye has to be named as one of the absolute most devastating punchers out there. Dude nearly Koe’d a Neanderthal giant in Valuev. Insane !
If only Bowe had more discipline, trained better, he could have become the best HW ever! He had it all. Best jab ever, power, grit, heart, he was the best inside fighter of all those tall boxers EVER! But I guess he was too lazy. He never moved his head like Futch would teach him therefore he took too many punches... even if he had a good chin. He also spent lots of money in material things he didn't need. But ehi, it is his life...
The Hide fight was bizarre. Herbie randomly jus fell apart & not from a single punch or power, jus bizarrely fell 2pieces. It was like Hide suddenly released who he was up against & crumbled! Bizarre bizarre bizarre
Interesting. I never considered Golota hit Bowe low cuz he didn't wanna be in there. Its believable - especially for their 2nd fight. Golota was eating some strong overhands.
This is a really good interview I wish that it was longer I didn’t know Andrew was on steroids maybe I’m just naïve and didn’t realize it he was a tough son of a bitch
Unfortunately, his legacy is permanently tarnished by his refusal to face Lennox Lewis. He publicly relinquished the WBC belt so that he could avoid Lewis, who had already knocked him out in 1988. Refusing to fight the Number One contender is bad enough, giving up the belt is worse, but doing that to avoid the one man who has beaten you in the past, costing you the Olympic Gold Medal, is just cowardice.
sainttrunks1982 foreman was a natural beast. 81 fights and only 5 losses. Ali the only man to knock him out. he took a lot punches in his career....but he still talks good
A prime Bowe would have demolished Golota, you could even hear he was a shot fighter when he talked before his first retirement. Sorry to see a talent like that get brain damage, but as most of the comments here I believe it's mostly his own fault, due to the lack of discipline.
But Bowe retired in 1996. Tyson was busy fighting holyfield in 96. I don't think Tyson had chance to duck Bowe. There schedules were off. From 1990 to 1996 Tyson was busy. Only Time they could of fought was 1989. At that time Tyson was champion but Bowe just turned pro. See what I'm saying? Ps.................... Look Up Gene Kim
big Daddy Bo😋 Has been doing nothing but putting his foot on a whole bunch of pancakes sausage and a lot of syrup is about 9 and 1/2 pregnant right now any day he's going to have a new baby boy 14 lb 8 oz 😭
In his dreams....Lewis knocked bowe out in the amateurs......them in the professionals bowe ran from lewis and would rather throw his belt in the bin than fight lewis....bowe is a coward
1.George Foreman (OLDEST Heavyweight champion after a 10 YEAR RETIREMENT basically unheard of before him ) 2. Evander Holyfield (4-5 time world champion, beat Tyson twice at his best condition ((Did not say his prime best condition so no one makes up excuses for him)) beats Larry Holmes and fights most of the greatest of his time) 3.Rocky Marciano (49-0 comes out victorious against a legend in his time. Ali himself said he'd beat someone that beat Ali so indirectly is like saying Rocky WOULD BEAT HIM (( THIS IS FOR THE FANS WHO MAY COME TYPING THINGS I DON'T CARE FOR )) GOD BLESS THESE MEN
@@hueyfreeman1983 1. He took a beating for many rounds then sprung at him beat him in skill NOT TO SAY HE WAS BETTER THAN HIM. 2. Ken Norton beat Ali and was robbed victory, Buster Douglas beat a PRIME Tyson, DO PEOPLE GO AROUND SAYING KEN NORTON IS BETTER THAN ALI? OR LIKEWISE DOUGLAS TO TYSON? NO they only make EXCUSES FOR THEM. SAYING Tyson wasn't training or Ali had leg injuries and past his prime. So do you think it's save to rate THE BEST by who wins bouts?! If so your favorite probably won't be no where near the top so don't come to me with that 🤣
@@vena1801- alis prime was 64-67 his first fight with norton was in 72 he clearly won the other 2 fights 2- he did not take a beating against foreman his face was unmarked he was punching the air through out the fight and landing the occasional body shot ali was clearly winning even prior to the stopage sonny liston and how louis would beat foreman
This dude had a beautiful inside game for a big man with short power hooks and uppercuts combinations what nice offensive skill set he have cheers!
The problem was that he did not have a good outside game despite having a great jab, he pfeffered to brawl up close which caused brain damage.
I remember when Bowe said, "you can run but you're still Herbie Hyde."
Much respect Mr. Riddick Bowe. Thank you so much for your performances. I loved every fight you uave had
It funny how despite his age Holyfield's ability to hurt Bowe increased dramatically in each of their fight. He went from being unable to move Bowe in fight 1, to being able to wobble Bowe slightly in fight 2, to being able to knock him flat on his back in fight 3. Holyfield strength increase at heavyweight was remarkable!
Evans feilds
@@joetabner4937 Exactly! ‘Evans Fields’ - the mystery man behind the purchase of PEDs, Holyfield picked up an investigators phone call to the Evans Fields number in 2007 when they dialled, then he lied like hell to cover his ass 😂
@@Pulsonar yea. They had 5 numbers for him he answered 3 of them also his wife was a high up nurse/doctor and had acsess too allsorts..plus he looked jacked as hell vs tyson compared too vs bowe
@@Pulsonar …
Haha. Yes, I remember that documentary.
Nonetheless, I know many gentleman who have taken PED/Steroids and never made it to the professional ranks. Therefore, even on PED’s, there is absolutely no substitute for hard work, sacrifice and lots of talent! 💥🥊
@@dr.clivejames4567 Nobody’s saying Holyfield lacked boxing talent, a great chin and courage, it was there for everyone to see. But remember Holyfield was never a natural heavyweight he was small. I believe he got a little help from somewhere when you look at the muscle fibre recruitment around his trapezius during his training up to a fight in the 90s that’s a dead give away amongst others. You see the same in MMA/K1 fighters like Alistair Overeem, and that big lump Bob Sapp, the difference in physique between steroid cycles is clear.
Interesting to hear him give Hide credit. I think it was the uppercut in the 5th round.
I'm trying to figure out which shot too...there are a couple in that bought. Hide was a little bomber!
Tbh it was the big night that beat Hide. I watched the fight & there was no single punch that beat Herbie. He jus fell apart
I think Herbie Hide’s KO of Michael Bent was one of the best punches ever thrown.
I respect this Man . A true champion of boxing
Bowe is one of the greatest heavyweights of all time.
Im so happy i lived in the era to see Bowy vs Evander all 3 fights in live TV. I realized it was great fights back then. But i don't think i realized HOW great they really were! My favorite one is the first fight.
Thanks for posting. I’m watching the Bowe-Hide fight and Hide was hitting Bowe clean. Beating him up.
…yeh until Bowe knocked Hide down. And then again and again and again …
Yeah that's the difference. Bowe could take being hit Hide could not. Hide had a great punch but a terrible chin.
At least Bowe was honest that Golota was winning the fights. Would have loved to have seen him and Lewis get it on.
Ironically, Bowe's best chance of beating Lewis was right after he'd taken the title from Holyfield. Instead of listening to his idiot manager (Rock Newman), Bowe should've defended that WBC title against Lewis. I think he would've won because, as pros, Bowe developed quicker than Lewis did. In 1992, Lewis was just a KO puncher looking to blast away his opponents. Bowe was far more well-rounded and had a better chin. Once Lewis hooked up with Emmanuel Steward, it was game over. There's no way that Bowe could've beaten him then because Lewis became a formidable Heavyweight with brains as well as power (add to that, Bowe was in fast decline after his wars with Holyfield). In short, 1992-94 was Bowe's best chance of beating Lewis. Post-1994, Lewis wins easily...
P.S. People that don't understand boxing always point to that 1988 Olympic final, but it was a premature stoppage in a fight that Bowe had been winning up to then.
Lewis would have smoked him
lol lol not 92-94 plus the fact that Lewis had a terrible chin I think bowe would’ve always carried a risk factor for him but we will never find out now n it was one of the greatest robberies to fans in sports history I put that in the top 5 easily
Death In The Spotlight lewis is a late bloomer so you have a great point
lol lol my other sports robberies r in no special order. Tyson going to prison when him n Holyfield were getting ready to fight the first time.michael jordan retiring in the two year span they would’ve faced the Houston rockets that two years. The 15-1 vikings having Gary Anderson miss his only field goal of 1988 to not get to see them play the Broncos! And never getting the pacquio Mayweather fight in the 8 year stretch before they fought when they were still in their primes! I have more but they were the ones that bothered me for as long as I can remember! I also wanted to see that fight billed battle of the ages when foreman and holmes were scheduled to fight a hw title fight til george was robbed of a u’d vs Briggs! I was just very intrigued to see how that fight would’ve went but for my own personal reasons n I know the general fan base probably didn’t care for it
Herbie Hide - Norwich - Norfolk - England 👍🏻
@TheJughead77... From Norwich 👍
From Imo State, Eastern Nigeria first of all.
Bowe and Holyfield both legends !!!!!
Amazed that bowe says herbie hide hit him harder than holyfield. I remember the punch though - riddick's legs `went`, but he recover pretty quick. It just shows that fighters are sometimes very good at covering up the effects of a blow. I remember george foreman saying gerry cooney hit him as hard as anyone but you have to look very close to see that punch.
@BroncoBillieBeastie He sure did.
Funny to read close captions when Riddick talks. Love the Champ
Great fighter, much love from the UK my man, Big Daddy with some real talk right there.
One of the best heavyweight champion in boxing a living legend my favorite
Riddick bowe my all time favourite boxer.
Credit to my mate Herbie.
And i must mention Shannon Briggs. Bowe , Tyson , all came from Brownsville Brooklyn. All wonderful stories and i am glad i have got to see all them legends fight
Lennox Lewis hails from West Ham London and he beat all three of them. He has a great story. Such a legend, hall of famer and above all them fighters you mentioned in the all time HW ranking.
Herbie Hide was a hard hitting puncher!
He also had an aggressive high pressure style like Ray Mercer, but he was quicker than Mercer.....
Yah but mercer was fucking scary, people talk about mike Tyson but at least mike Tyson UD a breaking point where he would mentally give in, ray mercer was this freight train that would not stop until yiu were out cold quivering on the floor. I think mercer would’ve kod Tyson worse than Holyfield.
@@m-cra1370 very true!
Oliver McCall and Ray Mercer had the best chins in the business!
Word on the street was that post prison Mike Tyson ducked him and I believe it was true, because he would have knocked Mike out.....
I don't see the similarity between Hide and Mercer. Hide was known as the dancing destroyer, really quick on his toes with great speed. Mercer was much slower, stronger and more methodical. Both had power, Hides power was one punch KO fast shots, Mercer had strong hooks. Of course the biggest difference was their chins, Mercer one of the best, Hide one of the worst.
Man I'm always down in the Hollywood area. I wish I could hang with y'all
Oh snap, BLOOD BOXING!!! Well the Gym is open from Monday to Friday, you could always swing by there. Hell if your here, i'd have no problem meeting you one day.
Herbie Hyde was a fast hard hitting spitefull puncher he just lacked size /weight bowe was durable so for Hyde to have hurt him he was capable of stopping anyone unfortunately like Mike tyson when his speed left him he became vulnerable
At his best he was an absolute beast .
If they understand the risks and get paid well and there is no coercion, then it should be up to the individual what he does with his life.
As usual, a fighter says a guy who beat the hell out of him and hurt him badly wasn't the one who hit him the hardest. What a surprise.
Holyfield hit a lot harder than everyone gave him credit for.
He dropped tyson like it was nothing.
Also David Haye has to be named as one of the absolute most devastating punchers out there. Dude nearly Koe’d a Neanderthal giant in Valuev. Insane !
@@francescoschettino5726 David haye was an unbelievable cruiser, just not big enough to mix it up with the big boys, apart from valuev ironically!
@@simonhill591 knocked out 50lbs heavier granite chin Chisora with 1 punch. The man was lethal.
If only Bowe had more discipline, trained better, he could have become the best HW ever! He had it all. Best jab ever, power, grit, heart, he was the best inside fighter of all those tall boxers EVER! But I guess he was too lazy. He never moved his head like Futch would teach him therefore he took too many punches... even if he had a good chin.
He also spent lots of money in material things he didn't need. But ehi, it is his life...
Jab was massively overrated.
When did he use it? He neglected in favour of getting inside.
I agree with you inside.
William Hitchcock that's one of his points. He had a great jab but didn't use it enough. Bowe was very lazy
I agree. Bowe was an underachiever
cocotimbo best jab ever? Lary holmes says hi
@El Grando Smokio bowe retired due to brain damage other than that he would have survived.
The Hide fight was bizarre. Herbie randomly jus fell apart & not from a single punch or power, jus bizarrely fell 2pieces. It was like Hide suddenly released who he was up against & crumbled! Bizarre bizarre bizarre
Riddick Bowe has a devastating power..and he is a pressure fighter..he will overpower any boxer
Subtitles Please
Just like Ali Frazier x 3 finished them.....Bowe Holyfield x 3 did the same!
That shows how great SRR was all the wars with Jake LaMotta and he still was firing on all cylinders in the ring till 37 years old.
why dont u Interview Briggs?
I've interviewed Shannon like 8 or 9 times, just not recently. Expect an interview with him real soon.
What about Tyrell briggs
Lets go champs! 🤣😁🦾
To me, Bowe is one of the best boxer in the world.
Massive body, punching power, best uppercut.
But he didn't focus & train like a champion.
Interesting. I never considered Golota hit Bowe low cuz he didn't wanna be in there. Its believable - especially for their 2nd fight. Golota was eating some strong overhands.
Riddick wishes that he could go back in time and fight Lennox Lewis. Now he has regrets, because in the year 2019 he looks like a coward.
I dont qanna remember them!!! Lol... But so sad for Bowe...
Broooo… His lights got knocked out by Hide and the next punch woke him back up?! Insanity
Sounds like he should have worn a head guard more often.
The 90’s were an unbelievable era for sport, I just wish Bowe fought Lennox
This is a really good interview I wish that it was longer I didn’t know Andrew was on steroids maybe I’m just naïve and didn’t realize it he was a tough son of a bitch
Billy Bob yeah I could see it when looking at him he had acne all over his back
0:33 Why is that guy walking into a women's bathroom? Lol
Very observant lol
@@ShoShoBrown not really,just shows he wasn't listening to bowe
Lol 🤣
Bowe vs pre-prison Mike Tyson would have been interesting.
Tyson didn't want any part of him
Will to Freedom ... I’m sorry but Larry Holmes and Trevor Berbick were not bums.
Hollyfield vs Bowe were the some of the best fights ever...
Not
Would have liked too see him an Lewis get it on in his prime I'd say Big Daddy all day!
Unfortunately, his legacy is permanently tarnished by his refusal to face Lennox Lewis. He publicly relinquished the WBC belt so that he could avoid Lewis, who had already knocked him out in 1988.
Refusing to fight the Number One contender is bad enough, giving up the belt is worse, but doing that to avoid the one man who has beaten you in the past, costing you the Olympic Gold Medal, is just cowardice.
Bowe could of been the GOAT with a better attitude , he is still top 5 of of all time maybe top 3
yes he could have
fucking morons.
Bowe fought Hide when Hide was undefeated 26-0-25ko's
Wtf is up with USMC tat? He didn't even finish training.
well, some guys have a dragon tattoo, does that mean they starred in Game of Thrones?
I cant understand almost nothing.... I loved to watch his fights, always wondered could he beat Mike Tyson?
I love him as a boxer, but it seems that boxing as mess up his mental health, I hear it in his speech.
Riddick Bowe is the 90's, version of the 70's George Foreman, he won the title in him prime then retired in his prime and came back way too late.
Very true! H2H monster Bowe in his prime too
sainttrunks1982 foreman was still good when he returned
sainttrunks1982 foreman was a natural beast. 81 fights and only 5 losses. Ali the only man to knock him out. he took a lot punches in his career....but he still talks good
A prime Bowe would have demolished Golota, you could even hear he was a shot fighter when he talked before his first retirement. Sorry to see a talent like that get brain damage, but as most of the comments here I believe it's mostly his own fault, due to the lack of discipline.
@@inspector7112 Yes, Sir!! Anyone who disagrees should rewatch the Foreman-Moorer championship fight.
Bowe in fighting with holyfield and golota was luckyluck....that's right
at least we know boxing does not effect the the brain at all !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But Bowe retired in 1996. Tyson was busy fighting holyfield in 96. I don't think Tyson had chance to duck Bowe. There schedules were off. From 1990 to 1996 Tyson was busy. Only Time they could of fought was 1989. At that time Tyson was champion but Bowe just turned pro. See what I'm saying? Ps....................
Look Up Gene Kim
Bullshit. Golota beat you to the punch, every time.
Herbie Hide could have achieved more in boxing. A massive underachiever.
If wasn't for Bowe's granite chin, Hyde would have knocked him out.
Herbie hyde is a predecessor of david haye, the dancing puncher
Hide have Jack Dempsey style!
Herbie Hide ended Michael Bentts career.
I like u very much
lolz he looked like Kevin Durant
Что вы у него спрашиваете?Он старый уже.Ему отдых нужен и здоровый сон.
Unfortunately herbie didn't have holy fields mental tenacity if he had would have gone a lot further than he did very unstable character our herbie!!!
Bowe is another guy Tyson ducked like Foreman . It was not about respect more then the fact he would get smoked
Herbie Hide didn't fuck around
Riddick Bowe should be ashamed of himself! Bowe said that Herbie Hide was the hardest guy that ever hit him! That's because Bowe ducked good fighters
Love Bowe but it looks like he’s been hit a few time too much, sad to see.
Bowel what a mess
big Daddy Bo😋
Has been doing nothing but putting his foot on a whole bunch of pancakes sausage and a lot of syrup is about 9 and 1/2 pregnant right now any day he's going to have a new baby boy 14 lb 8 oz 😭
I really think Riddick Bowe would have knocked Lennox Lewis out
In his dreams....Lewis knocked bowe out in the amateurs......them in the professionals bowe ran from lewis and would rather throw his belt in the bin than fight lewis....bowe is a coward
Luckily he did not face Lewis!
Herbie Hide had a great punch but a terrible chin.
Chicken bowe
ya Allah sudah tua tua ha ha...
Holyfield was on steroids an Hide wasn't. There's the difference kids.
Ali Holmes Bowe .. the best in that order
raja sher joe Louis?
1.George Foreman (OLDEST Heavyweight champion after a 10 YEAR RETIREMENT basically unheard of before him )
2. Evander Holyfield (4-5 time world champion, beat Tyson twice at his best condition ((Did not say his prime best condition so no one makes up excuses for him)) beats Larry Holmes and fights most of the greatest of his time)
3.Rocky Marciano (49-0 comes out victorious against a legend in his time. Ali himself said he'd beat someone that beat Ali so indirectly is like saying Rocky WOULD BEAT HIM (( THIS IS FOR THE FANS WHO MAY COME TYPING THINGS I DON'T CARE FOR ))
GOD BLESS THESE MEN
@@vena180 ali beat a prime foreman when he was past his prime
@@hueyfreeman1983 1. He took a beating for many rounds then sprung at him beat him in skill NOT TO SAY HE WAS BETTER THAN HIM.
2. Ken Norton beat Ali and was robbed victory, Buster Douglas beat a PRIME Tyson, DO PEOPLE GO AROUND SAYING KEN NORTON IS BETTER THAN ALI? OR LIKEWISE DOUGLAS TO TYSON? NO they only make EXCUSES FOR THEM. SAYING Tyson wasn't training or Ali had leg injuries and past his prime. So do you think it's save to rate THE BEST by who wins bouts?! If so your favorite probably won't be no where near the top so don't come to me with that 🤣
@@vena1801- alis prime was 64-67 his first fight with norton was in 72 he clearly won the other 2 fights 2- he did not take a beating against foreman his face was unmarked he was punching the air through out the fight and landing the occasional body shot ali was clearly winning even prior to the stopage sonny liston and how louis would beat foreman