I would much rather store information locally. Rather than re-download stuff over and over again. Also, what if my internet is out??? I HATE games that require internet to play!!!
To be fair, you can set your local cache to be quite large. I would expect that it would not download "over and over again". But that does not change the fact that there is barely any _baseline_ amount of data with the default install.
I'm old enough to remember when thinking of downloading games was a ridiculous idea and physical was king. Cloud based gaming could happen but devs shouldn't waste a second trying to convince us it's ready today in 2024 cuz it sure ain't.
I still remember when people said. Internet speeds will never be fast enough to be able to download games off the internet, it will never happen. When it did start everyone said, Steam will never take off, because you don't own a physical copy of the game.
Airline pilot here: if you get a glideslope warning, add thrust. Flying down the glideslope is backwards when you’re shooting an ILS - meaning that you use thrust to maintain glideslope and pitch to maintain airspeed. *cue “the more you know” splash screen*
thank you, I was coming to post that myself - got my civil license like 30 years ago when I was planning to go into ATC (then dropped both when I found I suck at multitasking ;) ), but I've kept up with sim-flying!
this is the best cloud system we have ever seen. Issues might be affecting the quality It is apparent that the people who whine the most are those who will NEVER be satisfied, no matter how good it gets.
No offense, but in 2024, it is an... *unsound* decision to buy ANY game, regardless of publisher or track record, on launch. You're just setting yourself up to be burned.
Yep it's all just about rehashed AC/COD crap, that's what the Corpo's like, instant huge profit on regurgitated nonsense. And all the good sims/realistic games are all Early Access for 10-20 years because nobody funds them anymore so they are dependent on instant income, and some (not all, but some) devs have gotten kinda thinskinned complaining about workhours, garnering sympathy and personal donations, then don't release the game anyway (In other words, total hacks) which doesn't help the situation either (in so far as you described it). It's not like it was in the days games got developed and released within accurate time tables, when we got proper simulators, albeit with issues as behooves simulators, at atmospheric prices. Sea Power for instance, new game/simulator taking aim at replacing Fleet Command, they needed to go EA just to get the funding to continue, not their first choice, but at least they're giving it every effort.
Oh you can BUY it on launch (and probably get bonus stuff, or maybe a discounted price), but don't expect to PLAY on launch! I did break down and get Starfield before launch...but I waited a WEEK before I downloaded the game (and it ran just FINE, and gave me the typical 'broad but shallow sandbox' that scratches my gaming itch.)
In general, yes. As a consumer I won't touch anything that's brand new, no matter how excited people are over it. I won't even use the most current version of an OS if I can avoid it. For the reviewers out there, they _have to_ make content based on Day 1 launch status. If they miss the bandwagon, the algorithm will drop their uploads into the toilet. If it happens too often, their entire channel will receive fewer front-page placements and choke out their audience. Personally, I welcome the Day 1 reviews. I _want_ that miserable pile of slop to be what everyone remembers the game for. I think publishers believe that they can "get away with" a half-baked release because they are fully aware of that contingent that waits until after the game is "fixed" to buy it. To a business owner, they don't see a downside. They see a second chance to capture their audience. And that doesn't sit right with me. The Day 1 reviews should be their legacy. They should feel the shame and failure knowing that they released garbage and that everyone sees it as garbage. I want that decision to hurt them.
@@bluecalx40 if you have to stream all the assets, you can't pirate the game. Msfs 2020 was all over the cracked game sites and is 98% functional without a legit copy. This is not.
Yesterday...a fail, no question. This morning the Sim started up perfectly fine, I wanted to see if it was fixed....I had to leave for work. Came home around 5PM ET USA, around 5:30pm it loaded up, I actually had a very good enjoyable flight...(still getting used to new controls). But this was short lived, Loaded up the Beluga at Newark, the plane had no sound and the sim totally froze shortly after take off. Restart, new plane at JFK, again total freeze after the "zoom in" animation. RESTART after 10-15 min. Chose another Airbus (the aircraft selection screen was a jittery mess), but I chose another Airbus. Takeoff from LAX was ok, flying fine for 10 min, then loss of all controls of the plane, no flaps, couldn't throttle down, once again, sim froze up. Decided to try ONE final time, I only got to the Free Flight Globe screen before the entire sim crashed to desktop. So...yeah, this is real enjoyable! 😠
that is what you get supporting multi-billionaires that think the general public want pre-alpha games at extortionate prices. and to be fair it is well deserved criticism that Microsoft are getting when releasing games years before they are even at beta-testing stage.
This is essentially the problem and as Mircrosoft are the publisher here, it's 100% there fault, no doubt. It needed more time to bake in the oven, especially the server scaling which it doesn't appear there is any. Not good for the biggest cloud producer we have.
This is exactly why you do not buy games on release and wait. Because most modern publishers are trash and think its acceptable to release an unfinished game, charge full price and we just have to be happy with it. WRONG
Calling this a pile of CRAP seems like a very uninformed criticism. I played 8 hours yesterday, not a single crash. It took months for msfs2020 to be reliable. Virtual reality is greatly improved, more fluid and the screens of the G3X, G1000, tablet etc. have much better contrast and are easier to read. The walkaround of the h125 in VR is crazy, you can open all the panels and they modeled all the components (engine, gearbox, accessories...) considering the cost of some 3rd party aircrafts I would say it's amazing. You didn't review and are missing a lot of the technological improvements that have been made and haven't really tested it thoroughly. Also, since you're bringing it up, I'd love to see you review X-plane..
@keynoteFlyer I'm what is called a "hardcore" VR simmer. So I spend hours per week in MSFS. In free flight it's the same performance. What he says is wrong. In VR everything is hard and heavy.. imagine that I'm using a PIMAX Crystal Light headset, rendering to 4248x5150 pixels per eye and I'm getting 36 fps (72hz) using frame extrapolation. It's a constant fight against DLSS/DLAA...
@keynoteFlyer nothing to do with his system its the servers are getting hammered that causing the scenery loading. MS and Asobo problem. He got below 30fps with frame gen not turned on and ultra settings which is overkill.
The game is finished it's just not got the bandwidth at this exact moment to deal with all the people that bought it. The game is fine now. Think about just how much data this needs to stream I don't think you have put much thought into your comment at. The shear amount of data that is needed to stream this game it's just off The Charts I've not saying that it's good that they didn't have the bandwidth at first but I could certainly see why they would have a problem with over 500,000 people trying to download that much it's a lot to deal with. It's a modern Marvel that it does it at all to be fair gigabits upon gigabits every single second to thousands of people it's very difficult to achieve
I don't care if the install size is 1TB or even more. I want the option to play locally. Local will always be better than server even if its not always practical. The people who want to go all out on sim games won't mind buying a new SSD for just 1 game and the cloud could be there for everyone else. The option to download locally may even save them some money in server costs in the long run.
@@fredEVOIX Data compression is a thing you know and it's also possible to asset stream as well as simultaneous decompress thanks to the simple fact CPUs these days have multiple cores.
@@vegardpig8634 They can put the most important parts in some reasonable size. Even if it's not the entire 2PB, I'm sure you can have a decent experience with a few hundred GB of data + optional streaming if you'd like.
As a member of a hardcore virtual airline that is 20+ years old, we all knew this would happen. Simulators, even XPlane and P3D, require 3rd party developers and extra content to become useful simulators. And as the SDK was not available to anyone but official partners, the launch could never be good. Server issues aside. Also, to say "MSFS2020 is not much better today, if at all, from the day it launched" is a wild comment Jay. There is some amazing 3rd party planes and sceneries. Also, a lot of the issues that existed (admitedly for way too long) have been ironed out by micorsoft. But that is why 2024 is such an annoyance. MSFS2020 was just getting good, and now all focus has shifted to another platform. Edit: All sims need 3rd party content to be good, has always been that way and MSFS2020 and 2024 have been cheaper and come with more out of the box than any other simulator ever has actually. Go pay almost double for XPlane and P3D, open them up with no addons and tell me MSFS2024 is horrible value for money.
Right? At least a basic joystick or something. But on the other hand, apparently you need an xbox controller to get through the menus because they couldn't get mouse working properly. One of the reasons I'm probably refunding it
@@justinscharf8838i mean this was and is first and foremost an X-box game. Part of why they want to cloud everything to make it swallowable for a console.
@@baronvonslambert More accurate physics would be a welcome revolution for MSFS. There's so much more they could have done, like preflight walkaround and better ATC AI. I mean, with the recent advancements in AI you should be able to talk to ATC and have it respond realistically.
It is cosiderably more than a minor version upgrade. The visuals are clealy superior, and this was only made possible by better utlizing multiple processors. If they nad not improved the CPU multiple core utilization, you would not be able to get the level of detial provided by 2024 without using an industrial grade processor. The reality is that there are a lot of issues with it, but I expect they will make updates to fix these things.
Yeah, that’s why my Aviator Edition refund was approved today. MSFS2020 is where I want it without the nuttiness of this “remarkable” clown show. Maybe next year that tune will change if Microsoft and Asobo get their act together. Forcing people to stream the lions share of data was, in my humble opinion, a HUGE mistake. But with Microsoft at the helm it’s always been kick it out the door and worry about it later. Until then there’s so many other things to do on my PC to keep me more than occupied.
Yup, thank God for Steam. They refunded it even though I had over 3 hours playtime. My internet goes out too much to play only online. I’m happy with Xplane 12 and msfs 2020 so I’ll stick with those for now.
@@abstractdrumzhave another look in like a couple of days, the issues were literally just because they underprepared the servers for launch and it seems like things are already fine. personally i wouldn't have paid for it anyway until add-ons are ported.
I still feel burned when I realised that 2024 wasn't an expansion to 2020, a game they said was going to be supported for 10 years. I learned that "supported" means "not shutting off the servers yet" rather than "recieve expansions and upgrades". After that, I found 2020 to be considerably below the expectations their hype had me expecting. Like you pointed out here, their static terrain is awful, and the moving assets are woeful. I can't see myself spending more of my hard earned on another MSFS for a long time to come, I'll just stick with 2020 until they do shut off the servers the day after ther "10 years of support" ends and use x plane or something.
On the subject of aging oneself, I remember when MSFS was considered "the" test of PC clone compatibility to the point that clones would advertise they could run MSFS.
"I missed the old day from FSX" Seriously? FSX is the only game ever that was still not running alright 10 years after release. Innsbruck approach with 2015 hardware was still horribly slow.
Yeah, FSX was hot garbage too, as 2020 was after it. This is mainly from a technical standpoint. 2020 is still kinda meh in performance department when don't have top tier hardware.
Plus the fact you cannot update the built-in navaids at all. In my country there was a massive overhaul of the airspace after the sim was released, so even though you can update the FMC in the addon airplanes the builtin ATC goes bonkers when you try to actually follow any SIDs and STARs. Then you're forced to use third-party ATC and traffic management but they're honestly pretty terrible and don't really integrate well, not to mention you can't completely disable the built-in ATC anyway
Not as bad as this though. It's been 2 days and I'm still unable to load into a plane and fly. And hilariously despite that I already have a trophy for a first flight I haven't done! lol.
@@bmacaulay18 Indeed.... especially this version is completely online only.... they need to add a complete off-line only version and data compression is a thing. I suggest people go and actually *unpack a mesh and texture file* for a game and you will see how damn big it gets.
My son is in a flight training program at the University of Nebraska Omaha. In the beginning he spent a LOT of time with MS Flight Simulator 2020, and he found it very useful. However, when his instructor found out he told him to stop it. 😁
I never played flight sim 10 like you did, however I played flight sim 2020 and used it to practise on before real flights during my Private pilot license days and I have to disagree with you in terms of how accurate it felt. It's pretty damn accurate! I practiced on flight sim before my very first flight and I was surprised at how similar it felt to the actual plane in real life. Obviously the motion aspect is missing as I just have the logitech yolk, rudder pedals and the throttle, mixture setup. but in terms of how the plane handles and flies. Id say they got it pretty spot on. The "Government approved" flight sim we used at the flight school....that felt like garbage. I am yet to test out 2024 flight sim but definitely looking forward to it. I would like to point out that I never used flight sim as a game to have fun and fly around and explore like most people would, I use it purely as training for actual flying in my spare time, so my experience of the game is definitely going to differ to most people who want the "fun" aspect out of the game.
Having been in the Tech Alpha for MSFS 2020 I would strongly disagree. This is more like the first few days of the Tech Alpha than than the launch itself. This launch was rushed and the load on server performance was poorly judged.
@@dtrjones For 1 day, it was fixed on the 2nd day. Name a online game that had a hundred of thousand online players that went well on day one? Go try it now a full out "ban" is an overkill statement because the first day was hard to login.
Honestly, Flight Simulator 2024 reminds me of the stuff we used to get in FSX. While the launch was pretty bad because of the servers, I was thoroughly impressed with how you could select ANY airport to start your career in. Once I got my private pilot certification, I was blown away by the fact that one of the first flights you receive is flightseeing. I cannot tell you how much I screamed over the possibility that I could fly around Singapore (my hometown) despite it being a miniature country. I was also impressed with how characters have localised names, and how Microsoft knows that we have a flying club. It is an upgrade for me, and something I wished I could have done in FSX. I played FSX when I was 9 years old. This iteration of flight sim makes me feel like a 9-year-old kid again, exploring my country and seeing all the landmarks from the sky. To add to that, it is also impressive how Microsoft added so many different types of mission variations in the game. Again, reminiscent of FSX. Missions like search and rescue, red bull races, etc. To call it a soulless game; one that does not have expansions, is a lie. FS2024 is a holistic simulation game, and I am thankful that Game Pass has allowed me to try this masterpiece. I would also say that FS 2024 is an upgrade to 2020, where 2020 feels barren. Once you take off, there is literally no anchor to hold you back to the game. Literally, I played FS2020 for like 2 hours and I stopped because I did not know what to do in the game (aside from free flights). So, I would politely disagree that 2024 is a pile of dog crap. To those who have played FSX missions, you might know what I am talking about.
I don’t recall him saying it was soulless. He said it was a disappointment and implied it didn’t seem like much of an upgrade over 2020, with launch issue woes because of the server stuff.
@@10shanwei they added a lot more stuff to do in FS2020 over time in the bush flights, landmark missions, etc, with each region pack addition that came after launch, but I agree that it felt pretty barren at launch. Sounds like FS2024 is much better in that regard.
Can we bring back releasing finished games? It’s so common that these companies release broken or unfinished garbage and use the customers as free labor for playtesting.
This is why no one should pre order and only buy when it's fully working. This wasn't a problem before games could be updated but now companies can charge full price for a not fully working product because people will pay anyway and treat paying customers as beta testers
Took 8.5 hours to get in. Scenery blurred, keybindings totally different, Velocity One has no bindings, for those who want to just jump into a flight, it's a bloody nightmare. Avoid for now. I'll see you all back in FS 2020.
Who cares? He spoke in the present and has every right to change his mind later (perhaps his comments will help) - I hope he changes his opinion because if he does then the sim will have improved, which it should have done before it reached release. We pay for these products based soley on trust but what we get is less than promised - every time. If that doesn't at least disappoint you then it should,
I won’t know…. That headline from a guy in the IT space is asinine. Was it a fucked launch? Absolutely. Name a game that didn’t have one… this one more than others, but still the norm. Is it still the best sim available? Also absolutely. And it will get fixed. Bullshit headlines for clicks will guarantee I never watch anything from your channel again.
I have almost 4000 hours in 2020. I have no desire to buy 2024 anytime soon. Such a joke of a launch. And there are thousands of clowns who are saying "iTs To Be ExPeCtEd" clown world, man. Also, fuck all the streaming. Let me install like 2020 did.
Spot on. I would rather have 150gb of installed files and run smoothly than have this crap simulator. I'm sticking to 2020 for now. 1100h already logged so I could wait a little more to grab 2024. And I'm sure they will add the option to install the game like it has always been and avoid constant internet connection. Cheers mate.
Totally, I was going to post something too and saw your post. I ve been watching so many videos of live play and benchmarks, and people showing GPU util at 99% with 4080 super and 4090. Something is going on .
@ my fist run was also doing this bad usage thing so maybe he needs to let it run a bit or try again. Was sooo disappointed at the performance is was trash straight up horrible and I thought it had something to do with my 9800X3D being to new and not optimiser for or something but then the second time I played they game is was much more normal and got my GPU up to 99%.
Been using X-Plane since 2007, used MSFS since 1984. Bought 2020 could not get controllers to work consistently. Use only X-Plane, got over 100 nice aircraft, even the ISS.
I was gonna come here and make some snarky joke about piloting The International Space Station, thinking you meant something else... Glad I googled it first. Lol. For context: never heard about xplane before today lol
I've been in for several hours today. The performance is actually fairly reasonable. The problem is that the data streaming still doesn't really seem to be working. Also the game has a bunch of little bugs and a general lack of polish.
Its almost like counting on data server quality connections to everywhere in the US, when 1/4 still have 4g as their best internet option, leads to a poor experience.
My internet is 1.150MB connection and still it tells me low bandwidth. Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. I will now go and cook a 10 course meal whilst waiting for this Simulator from hell to load. In the UK it was a disaster and my family brought me the Aviator edition for my Birthday and day 2 i am still having issues. cheers Jay
I have the same problem same speed interweb than you but yet get low bandwidth error. do speed test to server in USA i'm in the UK and pulling 6- 700mb/s down and 80-100mb/s up. Problem is M$ side not ours its them with the low bandwidth because they can't handle all the traffic.
While I agree the launch was a shitshow, we kinda saw it coming. Those server hamsters were on fire. But since the next morning, I've been having a fantastic time. It loads quicker, it runs better and it looks great (in my AutoGen country) and Career mode has been an absolute blast. I agree, don't buy it, just play it on Game Pass as part of the subscription. That way it feels like what it is, an online streaming service.
Issues vary region to region and over time periods. For example the very few UK gamers who could play on the 20th for a while were then screwed as soon as Americans started to wake up and go online,
why didn't Microsoft just ask the community if we want cloud based or local storage............ 99% of us dont care about drive space being used... if need be we can easily just add a TB to compensate
the map data in the OG Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 was 2 petabytes (2 million gigabytes). The Bing Map data has since grown through improved imaging. in case, you didn't translate, 2 petabytes = 2000 TB. I'm pretty sure you don't want to download that.
Jay this was a great video. I really like when you explore flight sims. You should really take a look at DCS world. The sim has come so far and it is constantly getting updated!
Living in the hole of the donut (3 or 4 Colorado cities within 25 miles - but only having rural 20mbs down internet in the donut hole, constant download from the cloud is bad bad news for me! I AM anxious to check out the 'better, deeper avionics capabilities.' Thanks, JayZ
Will still give credit it to the team. When they released the video addressing the server collapse, they looked tired and frustrated with what was happening.
In my experience with the last Flight Simulator release, the downloads for Flight Sim were not only massive, but the server running Flight Sim's downloads were very slow. Downloading 80GB of "update data" at 20Mbps over Gigabit Internet is painful, and requires leaving the computer on all night! The other issue with Flight Sim is it bottlenecks a lot on the main thread. Hence the low utilization on tbe GPU.
What do you mean by, „we‘re having trouble identifying the difference“. There are huge differences in graphics, default airports look better, physics are better, and there are so many more interesting planes and the career mode gives you more to do and increases player base. yes not everything is optimized and things could have gone better on launch day, but new tech sometimes has difficulties, stop being so sensitive, and stop rejecting change and innovation just because something did not go perfectly on day one.
Game companies prolly think we gamers would eventually get used to buggy/unfinished games at launch so long as there's the promise of fixing it later with updates. No. We've grown sick and tired of it. What I've actually grown used to is waiting for months to years after release before considering a purchase. Haven't bought a game on release day/week since college in the early 2010s.
Same, On the plus side I have twice as many games. Used to buy day one buggy mess games at full price, Now get Gold edition with all DLC's for 1/3 of the price a few years later and they are patched by then and playable without stressing out with random freezes or crashes to desktop. Industry needs a kick up the a$$ as do FOMO day one buyers.
I just play old games I have instead tbh. I legit buy maybe 1 or 2 brand new games each year, tops, even though I have the capability and capacity to buy more. It's just not worth supporting their garbage
Honestly I’ve had no issues, except for the first 8 hours, since then the game was running flawlessly and I’ve already had loads of fun with it. It’s great. Sure, sometimes the wait times are a little worse because of the server, but I’m happy with waiting 5-10 seconds extra on every loading rather than dealing with the awfully huge installation of MSFS2020. The improvements from 2020 show immediately and I really think the wave of negativity isn’t very fair. Also I only have 100 Mbps connection, but it’s enough for an almost flawless 1440p ultra settings experience. The one issue I have with the cloud dependence of this game is the fact that we don’t know how long is Microsoft going to keep this cloud online and when will we lose access, but as a game pass user I’m not that concerned.
@@ksks6802 it's not about lower expectations, the game would be multiple TB if it wasn't online and it would still require photogrammetry on-demand. Offline is not a viable option for this game. Even 2020 is very crippled when running offline.
@@ksks6802 Well you obviously didn't understand my comment. My expectations were realistic. The mention of monthly subscription has nothing to do with my expectations from the game rn. I only mentioned the monthly subscription in relation to the fact that it won't be possible for Microsoft to keep the servers online indefinitely and therefore people who "bought" the game will eventually lose access, which because I only play it through the monthly subscription won't be an issue for me as I'll just switch to the newer game at that point. I hate it, when developers shut down a game, that can easily be played offline, such as The Crew, but in this case it's obvious that it doesn't make any sense to complain about not having an offline mode and I don't think anybody can be that naive to think that Microsoft will keep the servers online forever. Maybe think about what you've read before commenting bs.
Great video. Glad I waited and not buy this steaming potatoe. I'll stick with FS2020, plenty of mod terrain packs and 3rd party career modes. Really starting to look at x-plane again. I have an older version of that. Maybe they need to run a sale and knock this one out. Also... I think it's Asobo that needs the blame here, and when 2020 launched it was also very flawed.
"10 year sim" - MS FS2020 -> For the last 4 years I have said 2020 does 3 things amazingly well. 1. Update, The update sim is where its at. Get ready to just sit and wait even with gigabit internet youll be grounded while they update. Update what? Im not sure. 2. Crash. I ask what it updates because it constantly crashes or freezes. There is nothing more fun than spending a few hours waiting on an update to get a flight ready and then the sim crashes while you are taxing to the runway. 3. Amazing flight experience. I wish I could say this makes up for the other issues, but with the math 66% of the time you are not doing anything but waiting or rebooting and waiting. I will not spend any money on this sim until they address theses issues, fall on the sword and let the community know they for sure are aware they should have aborted whatever decisions lead up to this launch, but 2020 felt like a scam. I dont expect to pay for something and only get a working thing 33% of the time. 33% is a massively failing on any metric possible.
You're SO celebrating FSX forgetting that its 32bit architecture made so that if you went to town with graphics details the sim would enter into the state of "too little memory" and crap on you sending you baco to the desktop, thing that was especially vexing when happened in final. As a simul-pilot that started with FS4 (rigorously pirated, like was the norm at the time here, it came together with the hardware as a gift) I agree with you that had FSX had a 64bit version it would have ben great, but it never happened (thing that made me prefer FS9 more). Like I agree with you that FS2020 already had been stripped of all that made the franchise interactive already and FS2024 is even worse (and I plan not to buy it) because too net-dependent and I like to make a flight here and now when in vacation, with no net connection.
Never had that problem. People insisted on running AutoGen, which had a major memory leak in it. I always ran AutoGen OFF, and never had a problem. It looked crap anyway, and you can't see trees at 35000 ft, so why bother?
I understand the controversy with the cloud-based system, but I really appreciate it. One of the biggest criticisms of MSFS2020 was the constant, massive updates. With increasing resolution, and more planes, it just gets ridiculous to be downloading all that stuff constantly. I had 500+ gigabytes of data from MSFS2020, it was insane! And you had to livestream the photogrammetry anyway. I think their cloud-based system is getting more criticism than it deserves, because if it had launched with the data on the client then you wouldn't have been able to play day 1 anyway, you would still be downloading! Me personally, being able to jump in without a massive update every time is going to make me MUCH more likely to play in the future. Playing around with it I also think the physics simulation has gotten a huge improvement. The aircraft behaves more like I would expect, it is easier to control, ground effect is properly modeled, etc. All of these things are not obvious, but I have noticed a huge improvement in how aircrafts handle over 2020. Also, the ability to flight plan in-game and the EFB system, the preflight walk around, etc. is all super cool and is a massive improvement. These aren't things the casual player would probably care about or notice, but if you want to get into flight planning, and executing IFR flight plans, MSFS is GREAT for this! I love messing around with aircraft systems, as an acutal pilot would, to fly an IFR flight plan, something most people who don't know much about airplanes have probably never done in the game past the in game training (cue the "what the heck is a VOR?" questions). I'm hoping the different ratings on career mode get people to explore this side of flying more enthusiastically, now that you can flight plan, pull up charts, etc. all in game. Finally, you are comparing MSFS2024 to MSFS2020 in its current state, after all of the updates. I think you need to keep in mind a lot of the things that are now on MSFS2024 were not in MSFS2020 at the beginning, and I see this more as paying for continued updates than for a new game. MSFS2020 has been continuously updated for 4 years, now there is a jump to MSFS2024, and I expect it will also continuously be updated for a lot more time. Me personally, I am already LOVING career mode and the weekly challenges. And I haven't even gotten to SAR or aerial firefighting, and I've only touched like 3 planes out of the 125 I bought.
Launch day was a disaster, but now the game is running great for me. I'm loving the career mode, and the graphics are noticeably better and it runs smoother than 2020. It's only going to get better from here. I recommend the game and I have been playing flight sim for 25 years now.
very dissapointing. wtf is going on with microsoft these days they dont seem to ba able to get anything right and makeing huge blunders one after the other.
I remember FS2020's launch. It was a pile of completely broken, unusable dog crap as well. Guess they figured that game survived so they might as well do it again. The only way to get devs to stop publishing unfinished, undertested, unrefined and unoptimized garbage for full price with the "promise" that it'll be fixed later is to stop buying their products until they actually do what they say and finish it. I absolutely hate that this seems to be the norm for big studios now.
One thing that pisses me off about MSFS 2020 and 2024 is that they completely excluded the C-172 steam gauge version from the Standard version of MSFS. Apparently, they somehow made it impossible for third parties to add it too. I didn't know this before I bought MSFS 2020. If I want it now, I would have to spend another $80 for the deluxe version. This is pure greed on Microsoft's part to leave out the most popular plane ever built, unless you're willing to pay more.
To be fair, the textron aircraft (besides the 152) in the base 2020 were modeled after new airframes. 172’s haven’t come steam gauge equipped for a hot minute now. Sure a lot of the old school and rental ones comes with dials…but I do get why textron wouldn’t want them to include a 1981 P model as the base when it’s not representative of the current showroom offerings.
Nobody talks about the awesome default iniBuilds A330/A321XLR/A400M we get for free. 🥲 The A330 is probably the best default aircraft in any sim, ever.
@@NickSilverYTIf you're using it to practice for a real life PPL, it is very useful to have the steam gauge version, bc of what flight schools realistically have.
For those of you interested in bush and mountain flying, this is head and shoulders better than 2020. Compare Sedona, the Grand Canyon and Yosemite in both sims and there is no comparison. Vertical cliff faces were a joke in MSFS 2020. Couple this with the enhanced ground textures and MSFS 2024 is the clear winner. In addition, flights load almost instantly in the new sim compared to many minutes in MSFS 2020. There are a lot of things to like in MSFS 2024 once you get it working properly.
yeah, vertical textures issue was one of the major issues with msfs 2020. The fact that they fixed it is great news. If performances are fine (which is still unclear), that alone justify the update.
All of you complaining about always on line play stop. Don't get on a moral high horse when you didn't bother researching the game you purchased. If you are someone that thinks Microsoft never finishes a game until after it launches here is a tip. Don't buy it the day it comes out. Wait until it's been patched a few times. All I am saying is that if you ignore all the warnings that you claim you knew, then you deserve to be disappointed.
That's something I'm going to experiment with. I used to use a 16GB RAMdrive, but the Rolling Cache is a different animal now. So I deleted the RAMdrive and set mine to 100GB on my local 4TB M.2 drive. I've got plenty of space left on that drive to work up to 1TB if needed.
this game was purely a "release to maintain IP" game, or a "we are cutting old game server/suport buy new game please" the "recommended" specs stuff is not because the game needs it to run well, it needs it because they just didnt optimise the game, this becoming an extremely common trend, take dragons dogma 2, it STILL hasn't received a comprehensive optimisation patch so it just doesn't run at more than 30 fps even on top end hardware -.- if a game launches and doesn't have fortnight or gatcha game money then companies will just abandon the game and only push patches to meet a quota even if it doesn't fix anything -.-
The framerate is so low because it is very CPU limited, just like FS2020 was...This is starting to become a theme with a bunch of new games...I wish they could figure out how to parallelize CPU processes more efficiently...I'm sure it's very hard to do, but I think it's time they dump some resources into it already...
I disagree with the comments that MSFS 2020 is not very customizable when compared to FSX. The amount of Add ons for MSFS is insane. The quality of third party add ons is also amazing.
This title is clickbait nonsense the launch is awful yes, the sim is not crap. I agree the state of games should be better at launch but, they are pushing boundaries with this stuff.
20:28 no there wasn't a career mode. And the game definitely feels different than the 2020 version. You didn't get to experience almost anything of the new features and then come here to say it's not much? The amount of missions on the old 2020 is not comparable to the missions there are here now. The animals are another big thing. The fact that you can now get out of the plane. The fact that you can now visit the cargo area of planes and actually see a plane not only in it's cockpit. There is a lot of stuff that you didn't even mention and hearing you say things like "if you put them side by side, people couldn't tell this version apart from 2020" just goes to speak of how little you know both the 2020 version and the 2024 version which you didn't even get to experience. I don't have an issue if you want to advise people against buying it. But saying objectively false stuff like that it's a pile of dog crap and it feels like a dlc for the 2020 of people couldn't tell them apart is very bad. You deserve my dislike. Sad review.
@@SahRuvaak That is bs. I have played over 10 hours already and it's very playable. Just got my IFR exam in the career mode. People who complain that it's unplayable are people like this dude who try to run the game with pc who are below the minimum requirements and then complain about the fps not being stable. Even he said at the beginning that he knows the pc is subpar, but apparently as the video progressed he forgot his own words and tried to blame it on the game. It's totally fine if you don't think the features are good enough to not be worth the money. That is subjective. But what's not subjective is saying this game is unplayable or that there is almost no difference with the 2020 version. Because that's no longer subjective and something I can accept. It's both false and stupid.
I logged in Tuesday evening and played for a couple hours. Sorry to hear you had trouble with it. (I also bought the game despite having Game Pass, but that wasn't strictly necessary.)
IRL pilot here, when you are in the "area of reverse command" its PITCH for AIRSPEED, POWER for ALTITUDE. X-Plane and MSFS are fine entertainment simulators but neither of them even with the best addons even come close to the real thing. Again they are fun entertainment simulators that can help with certain IRL skills if used appropriately but its no where even close to a 1:1, its not even close to a 1:1 in Level-D simulators.
2020 is DRAMATICALLY better than when it launched. 2020 is FANTASTIC. i will keep playing 2020 for the next 6 months until 2024 is actually in a playable state
My friend and I are what you might consider flight sim enthusiasts. Both of us came the the same conclusion independently.... There was nothing about MSFS2024 that was worth buying it for. We liked the idea of the firefighting and SAR missions, and career game mode, but that isn't a compelling reason to switch for us.
It amazes me how many people don't realise cloud service is the only way to manage the whole world being in the game... I'm the first to hate on games that require you to be online even to play offline and I have quite a slow connection, so of course it's a big disadvantage for me, but seriously anyone of you think you have a few petabytes of storage laying around? Google is free, go check the dimension of their server just to hold game world. Also I have a 5700X3D with 32GB 3733 MT/s and a 6700XT with 35-40 Mb/s (bit) connection and could fly around for an hour without any crash or game breaking bugs (only on one landing the plane somehow popped and got into a vertical position). Some textures of some airports took a but to load but remember my connection is dogshit.
That's true. But they could have allowed us to draw a circle on the World Map and download the scenery contained within the circle (up to a point of course) for free flight, or an area around a flight path for flight plans.
@@eracer1111 that's pretty much what they did with updates, they modeled lots of iconic points and stuff and each update was 30+ GB. I'm pretty sure they will come just like they did on 2020, but thinking you can store more than 2PB of files in their PC (that was 2020, not sure about 2024 but if anything I expect it to be higher). Steam survey suggests average person has 1TB total capacity, that's 1/2'000'000 of the space required for the game, and people keep saying "I'd prefer 1TB installation over cloud"; yeah no shit Sherlocks, that's not how it works tho. Btw I'm not targeting you with this response, just explaining what the average gamer thought process is and why it's wrong.
@@Iceman-hb3ukI'm afraid "will come eventually" isn't something many consumers that paid for a "completed product" that was on sale in a "released status" want to hear (rightfully so!). This needs to be tagged EARLY ACCESS, so you know your dropping big money on an unfinished product that likely doesn't function anywhere close to the previous products scope...
@MLWJ1993 I agree that all the issues they had with servers overflow shouldn't have happened at all, but that's another point. They will never be able to hand model all the world, so they only do most iconic places and we all know at release the DLCs aren't out, it was the same on 2020 and it was fine. What hand models do is be 1:1 with reality rather than having that building or site generated via satellite images, which is how all the rest of the world (so most of it, since DLCs can't cover it all) will still be done. It's not an unfinished product under that point of view.
i personally disagree with most things you have said, as im someone that got lucky and has had pretty much 0 problems while playing. i believe its not that the game or cloud gaming is specifically crap, its more the case that microsoft as per usual underestimated the amount of interest they recieved. meaning the servers died. if they did a better release plan than everyone everywhere all at once on every platform then i wholely believe that the outcome and rating would be a lot different as the game feels and looks completely different/ better than 2020. for sure 100% most people are going to easily spot the differences side by side but just playing it by itself the differences are not as obvious. and as for the bugs like no sound, crashing etc isnt that just the norm in 2024 game releases, surely we arent still expecting games to release and be fully ironed out, perfect, and requires 0 work to improve it. each to their own i suppose but id just like to voice that in my experience its been a thoughly enjoyable time, more enjoyment than i got in 2020 already
I'm still using a 1660 Super with 32GB RAM, an NVmE M.2 1TB SSD, AMD 3700X. Was a power house 3 - 4 years ago but still running global graphic settings at High, frame rates at about 50 - 60, but I'm staying in 1080p. Anyone who is playing with a 4090 and complaining is not running well is maxing out graphics at 4k and has no experience running settings to make a game work well on PC. If you want plug and play graphics buy an XBOX.
@@iD3AD3YEthe 4090 isn't a gaming GPU anyway to begin with. No xx90 class cards are gaming oriented. Hell, i would consider the 4080 not REALLY a gaming oriented GPU as well, i would consider the 3080 a gaming GPU. And that's mostly on Nvidia's side even more these days. AMD is more of a different story.
You say you play msfs for decades, but you obviously look like it's the first time you use a sim. Also, calling something crap for a launch technical incident, and ignoring all the deep improvements that were made behind, is really a lack of respect for the team who made it. You could say, don't buy it yet, instead of doing such a hurting fuss. A simulator platform is not like a regular game, it's a long term support and commitment with feature refinement over the years.
I'm averaging about 5 minutes to get in to the Main Screen today. I thought career mode was broken, but it turns out the editing I've already done to my home airfield somehow disqualifies it from being a Career Mode headquarters. The only annoyances remaining are a random freeze for up to 45 seconds, but then it resumes like nothing ever happened. So far, only 1 CTD.
MSFS 2024 is a MASSIVE improvement over MSFS 2020. The incredible FPS performance, huge selection of aircraft, the new career system, the heightened level of immersion through real world airlines being native to the sim, and the huge overhaul to graphics. Saying it's not a big change from MSFS 2020 really makes me feel as if he didn't actually spend a lot of time with the old sim and just took an opportunity to jump on the hate train.
I'm getting over 100FPS on a 3440x1440 with EVERYTHING in Ultra, including terrain lvl of detail at 400. The graphics are so much better, mountain terrain now look incredible. Animals like cows on fields, and are even animated, and I can go on and on but I got some flying to do. Navigraph on my PMS 750 GPS works awesome too. Waiting for the new OLED Pimax to be released, since my old HP VR no longer works. What surprised me, all the cities I bought thru ORBX still works!
Developers really need to stop releasing these half-baked, unfinished and unpolished games. I’m getting so sick of this trend of games coming out broken on launch day. It’s crazy how much of an issue this has become. Developers need to be held accountable.
Flight Sim X was good enough that we used it in my AFJROTC class in high school as a flight trainer, and after graduation one of our instructors, a fighter pilot vet, would let the people that did well enough on the sim take off and fly around on a planned flight path he’d schedule with a rented Cessna. Was pretty awesome.
It’s ok to be truthful and provide constructive feedback but ppl like u kill games and gaming companies, with your title. I too gave the game one star but I have updated it as the game is already improving and I will continue to update my rating as the game continues to improve.
I would much rather store information locally. Rather than re-download stuff over and over again. Also, what if my internet is out??? I HATE games that require internet to play!!!
Not to mention all of the extra write cycles this is gonna burn on your ssd.
To be fair, you can set your local cache to be quite large. I would expect that it would not download "over and over again". But that does not change the fact that there is barely any _baseline_ amount of data with the default install.
@@murixbob what about an hdd, it would be around 10 tb i guess
@@Userbenchmark-mit's petabytes of data for entire world.
You have petabytes of free space lying around?
SOOOO many have been convinced that you can do everything in the cloud with the same quality as you can locally. it will NEVER happen.
Those people believe the eye can't see FPS improvements past 60 😂
I'm old enough to remember when thinking of downloading games was a ridiculous idea and physical was king. Cloud based gaming could happen but devs shouldn't waste a second trying to convince us it's ready today in 2024 cuz it sure ain't.
Agreed.
I still remember when people said. Internet speeds will never be fast enough to be able to download games off the internet, it will never happen. When it did start everyone said, Steam will never take off, because you don't own a physical copy of the game.
What a dumb take, the cloud is 100% the future.
Airline pilot here: if you get a glideslope warning, add thrust. Flying down the glideslope is backwards when you’re shooting an ILS - meaning that you use thrust to maintain glideslope and pitch to maintain airspeed. *cue “the more you know” splash screen*
thank you, I was coming to post that myself - got my civil license like 30 years ago when I was planning to go into ATC (then dropped both when I found I suck at multitasking ;) ), but I've kept up with sim-flying!
Navy SEAL here... no-one cares.
@@TrueBlade-1889
If no one cares, why did you care so much you had to reply?
@TrueBlade-1889 * checks thumbs up count * .... 🤨
I don't like hearing him talk about the non tech stuff because it's a simulator and he doesn't know how planes work
They spent so much effort working on cloud-based textures that they neglected to create reliable texture-based clouds.
Poetry
A quote for the ages
Underrated
Beautiful.
this is the best cloud system we have ever seen. Issues might be affecting the quality
It is apparent that the people who whine the most are those who will NEVER be satisfied, no matter how good it gets.
No offense, but in 2024, it is an... *unsound* decision to buy ANY game, regardless of publisher or track record, on launch. You're just setting yourself up to be burned.
Yep, I pretty much wait at least 6 months on everything now
Yep it's all just about rehashed AC/COD crap, that's what the Corpo's like, instant huge profit on regurgitated nonsense.
And all the good sims/realistic games are all Early Access for 10-20 years because nobody funds them anymore so they are dependent on instant income, and some (not all, but some) devs have gotten kinda thinskinned complaining about workhours, garnering sympathy and personal donations, then don't release the game anyway (In other words, total hacks) which doesn't help the situation either (in so far as you described it).
It's not like it was in the days games got developed and released within accurate time tables, when we got proper simulators, albeit with issues as behooves simulators, at atmospheric prices.
Sea Power for instance, new game/simulator taking aim at replacing Fleet Command, they needed to go EA just to get the funding to continue, not their first choice, but at least they're giving it every effort.
Oh you can BUY it on launch (and probably get bonus stuff, or maybe a discounted price), but don't expect to PLAY on launch!
I did break down and get Starfield before launch...but I waited a WEEK before I downloaded the game (and it ran just FINE, and gave me the typical 'broad but shallow sandbox' that scratches my gaming itch.)
Outstanding comment. A philosophy of life now, in fact.
In general, yes. As a consumer I won't touch anything that's brand new, no matter how excited people are over it. I won't even use the most current version of an OS if I can avoid it.
For the reviewers out there, they _have to_ make content based on Day 1 launch status. If they miss the bandwagon, the algorithm will drop their uploads into the toilet. If it happens too often, their entire channel will receive fewer front-page placements and choke out their audience.
Personally, I welcome the Day 1 reviews. I _want_ that miserable pile of slop to be what everyone remembers the game for. I think publishers believe that they can "get away with" a half-baked release because they are fully aware of that contingent that waits until after the game is "fixed" to buy it. To a business owner, they don't see a downside. They see a second chance to capture their audience. And that doesn't sit right with me. The Day 1 reviews should be their legacy. They should feel the shame and failure knowing that they released garbage and that everyone sees it as garbage. I want that decision to hurt them.
Online only means DONT BUY.
This is just an anti-piracy update for 2020
Sounds like a Microsoft Vista security system. Extremely slow!
Rofl what
@@bluecalx40 if you have to stream all the assets, you can't pirate the game. Msfs 2020 was all over the cracked game sites and is 98% functional without a legit copy. This is not.
Considering the way it works piracy might actually be extremely low
@shraf2kay Precisely.
Yesterday...a fail, no question. This morning the Sim started up perfectly fine, I wanted to see if it was fixed....I had to leave for work. Came home around 5PM ET USA, around 5:30pm it loaded up, I actually had a very good enjoyable flight...(still getting used to new controls). But this was short lived, Loaded up the Beluga at Newark, the plane had no sound and the sim totally froze shortly after take off. Restart, new plane at JFK, again total freeze after the "zoom in" animation.
RESTART after 10-15 min. Chose another Airbus (the aircraft selection screen was a jittery mess), but I chose another Airbus. Takeoff from LAX was ok, flying fine for 10 min, then loss of all controls of the plane, no flaps, couldn't throttle down, once again, sim froze up. Decided to try ONE final time, I only got to the Free Flight Globe screen before the entire sim crashed to desktop.
So...yeah, this is real enjoyable! 😠
stay away from New Jersey is your problem, air, auto, train or foot
Yes i sit on a i5-9600k with a 3080 and 2024 runs better than 2020 and it loads faster too, with better visuals.
This sounds like my star citizen experience . I didn’t know till now that this game is always online only… how did people fall for this
Set VPN for somewhere in the world where it's 3am the servers there are quiet and it works fine
that is what you get supporting multi-billionaires that think the general public want pre-alpha games at extortionate prices. and to be fair it is well deserved criticism that Microsoft are getting when releasing games years before they are even at beta-testing stage.
I hate the cloud storage thing. 50GB is not huge, and offline is so worth it! Ughhhhh
So thankful for all the UA-camrs and early adopters out there who save me from a world of frustration whenever something new launches.
Agreed. Also, doesn't work on Windows 7? DEALBREAKER. Period. 22.3% of gamers still using Windows 7.
They knew it was not ready for release, but had to do it because Marketing wouldn't allow them to rename the game to MSFS 2025.
Should have been called "The Next Generation" instead of 2024.
This is essentially the problem and as Mircrosoft are the publisher here, it's 100% there fault, no doubt. It needed more time to bake in the oven, especially the server scaling which it doesn't appear there is any. Not good for the biggest cloud producer we have.
You right, deadline is DEADline
@@robh8814 or FSXII
This is exactly why you do not buy games on release and wait. Because most modern publishers are trash and think its acceptable to release an unfinished game, charge full price and we just have to be happy with it. WRONG
Calling this a pile of CRAP seems like a very uninformed criticism. I played 8 hours yesterday, not a single crash. It took months for msfs2020 to be reliable. Virtual reality is greatly improved, more fluid and the screens of the G3X, G1000, tablet etc. have much better contrast and are easier to read. The walkaround of the h125 in VR is crazy, you can open all the panels and they modeled all the components (engine, gearbox, accessories...) considering the cost of some 3rd party aircrafts I would say it's amazing. You didn't review and are missing a lot of the technological improvements that have been made and haven't really tested it thoroughly. Also, since you're bringing it up, I'd love to see you review X-plane..
Getting sub 30fps at 1440p with that rig is absolutely shocking. It appears that scenery loading into the cache is the new bottleneck.
I'm getting 170 fps using frame gen with a 7800x3d 4090 in 2d. In VR yes, we're struggling.
@@theegodelpozo in free play or missions? Sadly I don’t have a 4090, I’ve got the 7900XTX. How’s your utilisation compared to Jay’s?
@keynoteFlyer I'm what is called a "hardcore" VR simmer. So I spend hours per week in MSFS. In free flight it's the same performance. What he says is wrong. In VR everything is hard and heavy.. imagine that I'm using a PIMAX Crystal Light headset, rendering to 4248x5150 pixels per eye and I'm getting 36 fps (72hz) using frame extrapolation. It's a constant fight against DLSS/DLAA...
@keynoteFlyer nothing to do with his system its the servers are getting hammered that causing the scenery loading. MS and Asobo problem. He got below 30fps with frame gen not turned on and ultra settings which is overkill.
And some developers are now only planning releasing for 2024. Ini350, pmdg 777-200 er/lr, 747. Thabkfully bluebird Will release the 757 for 2020.
Please game developers stop putting out these unfinished games it always bad results 😭
Only solution is stop throwing money at them. Unfortunately the entire gaming industry has this problem.
Please people stop buying unfinished games..😅
The game is finished it's just not got the bandwidth at this exact moment to deal with all the people that bought it. The game is fine now. Think about just how much data this needs to stream I don't think you have put much thought into your comment at. The shear amount of data that is needed to stream this game it's just off The Charts I've not saying that it's good that they didn't have the bandwidth at first but I could certainly see why they would have a problem with over 500,000 people trying to download that much it's a lot to deal with. It's a modern Marvel that it does it at all to be fair gigabits upon gigabits every single second to thousands of people it's very difficult to achieve
Please players stop whining about the games. If you want real world be a real pilot
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"Coming soon ™️ is basically anything Microsoft"
Oh my sweet summer child. You should try getting involved in Star Citizen.
Isn't that the official alternate title? Not to mention the costs makes Microsoft look altruistic in comparison.
Tbh, they’ve never said it’s finished game… this is supposed to be…
@MarkKidsley1989 being in alpha state after this many years and that much of the publics money is hilariously pathetic for star citizen lol
In DCS we call “coming soon” next year unless we completely forget about it then retcon our posts to gaslight you that we never said it.
I don't care if the install size is 1TB or even more. I want the option to play locally. Local will always be better than server even if its not always practical. The people who want to go all out on sim games won't mind buying a new SSD for just 1 game and the cloud could be there for everyone else. The option to download locally may even save them some money in server costs in the long run.
it has a detailed map of the entire planet this is never happening, they made a choice
You have more than 2PB to spare?
@@vegardpig8634 So let me download a couple of selected regions, like other sims.
@@fredEVOIX Data compression is a thing you know and it's also possible to asset stream as well as simultaneous decompress thanks to the simple fact CPUs these days have multiple cores.
@@vegardpig8634 They can put the most important parts in some reasonable size. Even if it's not the entire 2PB, I'm sure you can have a decent experience with a few hundred GB of data + optional streaming if you'd like.
As a member of a hardcore virtual airline that is 20+ years old, we all knew this would happen. Simulators, even XPlane and P3D, require 3rd party developers and extra content to become useful simulators. And as the SDK was not available to anyone but official partners, the launch could never be good. Server issues aside.
Also, to say "MSFS2020 is not much better today, if at all, from the day it launched" is a wild comment Jay. There is some amazing 3rd party planes and sceneries. Also, a lot of the issues that existed (admitedly for way too long) have been ironed out by micorsoft. But that is why 2024 is such an annoyance. MSFS2020 was just getting good, and now all focus has shifted to another platform.
Edit: All sims need 3rd party content to be good, has always been that way and MSFS2020 and 2024 have been cheaper and come with more out of the box than any other simulator ever has actually. Go pay almost double for XPlane and P3D, open them up with no addons and tell me MSFS2024 is horrible value for money.
he didnt say mfs2020 is the same now as it was at launch lol
@XenonArcher 23:36
@@XenonArcher23:36
@@lauriecooper5824He never said it was the same, he said it’s not much better now than it was at launch
@@Robot_repeater not much better if better at all, implying it was pretty much the same. Which is bollocks, I am sorry haha.
"I've been playing Flight Sim forever!" ~pulls out a console controller....
Right? At least a basic joystick or something. But on the other hand, apparently you need an xbox controller to get through the menus because they couldn't get mouse working properly. One of the reasons I'm probably refunding it
@@justinscharf8838i mean this was and is first and foremost an X-box game. Part of why they want to cloud everything to make it swallowable for a console.
@@mzaite microsoft flight sim is older then xbox.
@@mzaite My first Microsoft Flight Sim came out in the '80s. There was no XBox console then. It was only on PC.
@@havtor007 But MSFS 2020 is not, and was built to be an Xbox product.
Wow, a minor version upgrade masquerading as a new product. How unlike Microsoft.
compaired to who?
I mean there isn't much revolution to be done in flight sims.
If that were true it would be a LOT better. This is a brand new build that is far from ready.
@@baronvonslambert More accurate physics would be a welcome revolution for MSFS. There's so much more they could have done, like preflight walkaround and better ATC AI. I mean, with the recent advancements in AI you should be able to talk to ATC and have it respond realistically.
It is cosiderably more than a minor version upgrade. The visuals are clealy superior, and this was only made possible by better utlizing multiple processors. If they nad not improved the CPU multiple core utilization, you would not be able to get the level of detial provided by 2024 without using an industrial grade processor. The reality is that there are a lot of issues with it, but I expect they will make updates to fix these things.
Yeah, that’s why my Aviator Edition refund was approved today. MSFS2020 is where I want it without the nuttiness of this “remarkable” clown show. Maybe next year that tune will change if Microsoft and Asobo get their act together. Forcing people to stream the lions share of data was, in my humble opinion, a HUGE mistake. But with Microsoft at the helm it’s always been kick it out the door and worry about it later. Until then there’s so many other things to do on my PC to keep me more than occupied.
I almost got the aviator edition also but was like 🤔 I’m fine with 2020 I have fun it runs pretty smoothly on 2 screens glad I didn’t preorder
Yup, thank God for Steam. They refunded it even though I had over 3 hours playtime. My internet goes out too much to play only online. I’m happy with Xplane 12 and msfs 2020 so I’ll stick with those for now.
You should have never paid for it. Your fault,
I refunded too, I might have another look in a year or just wait for a sale.
@@abstractdrumzhave another look in like a couple of days, the issues were literally just because they underprepared the servers for launch and it seems like things are already fine. personally i wouldn't have paid for it anyway until add-ons are ported.
I still feel burned when I realised that 2024 wasn't an expansion to 2020, a game they said was going to be supported for 10 years.
I learned that "supported" means "not shutting off the servers yet" rather than "recieve expansions and upgrades".
After that, I found 2020 to be considerably below the expectations their hype had me expecting. Like you pointed out here, their static terrain is awful, and the moving assets are woeful.
I can't see myself spending more of my hard earned on another MSFS for a long time to come, I'll just stick with 2020 until they do shut off the servers the day after ther "10 years of support" ends and use x plane or something.
On the subject of aging oneself, I remember when MSFS was considered "the" test of PC clone compatibility to the point that clones would advertise they could run MSFS.
"I missed the old day from FSX" Seriously? FSX is the only game ever that was still not running alright 10 years after release. Innsbruck approach with 2015 hardware was still horribly slow.
Yeah, FSX was hot garbage too, as 2020 was after it. This is mainly from a technical standpoint. 2020 is still kinda meh in performance department when don't have top tier hardware.
I spent more time tweaking the .cfg files in FSX than flying
MSFS2020 ain't as well.
GTA IV begs to differ
Plus the fact you cannot update the built-in navaids at all. In my country there was a massive overhaul of the airspace after the sim was released, so even though you can update the FMC in the addon airplanes the builtin ATC goes bonkers when you try to actually follow any SIDs and STARs. Then you're forced to use third-party ATC and traffic management but they're honestly pretty terrible and don't really integrate well, not to mention you can't completely disable the built-in ATC anyway
Not to mention AI road vehicles STILL 'driving' under bridges on the water instead of on the bridges...
Why is anyone surprised about this. 2020 had the same problems at its launch with the game not being able to download and launch on release.
Not as bad as this though. It's been 2 days and I'm still unable to load into a plane and fly. And hilariously despite that I already have a trophy for a first flight I haven't done! lol.
because 2021,22,23 were all well done... we figured they wouldnt go back 4 years.
@@Daz555Daz Same here, got a trophy 🤣😂
One would think they would actually take some notes for it to not happen again
no it didnt it was not on cloud
I almost preordered the 199 version. God bless common sense on not pre ordering held strong. Enjoy beta testing!
Why pre-order when you are not even getting a physical copy?
@ yeah more reason not to.
@@bmacaulay18 Indeed.... especially this version is completely online only.... they need to add a complete off-line only version and data compression is a thing. I suggest people go and actually *unpack a mesh and texture file* for a game and you will see how damn big it gets.
My son is in a flight training program at the University of Nebraska Omaha. In the beginning he spent a LOT of time with MS Flight Simulator 2020, and he found it very useful. However, when his instructor found out he told him to stop it. 😁
Yea it makes some WICKED bad habits.
I never played flight sim 10 like you did, however I played flight sim 2020 and used it to practise on before real flights during my Private pilot license days and I have to disagree with you in terms of how accurate it felt. It's pretty damn accurate! I practiced on flight sim before my very first flight and I was surprised at how similar it felt to the actual plane in real life. Obviously the motion aspect is missing as I just have the logitech yolk, rudder pedals and the throttle, mixture setup. but in terms of how the plane handles and flies. Id say they got it pretty spot on. The "Government approved" flight sim we used at the flight school....that felt like garbage. I am yet to test out 2024 flight sim but definitely looking forward to it.
I would like to point out that I never used flight sim as a game to have fun and fly around and explore like most people would, I use it purely as training for actual flying in my spare time, so my experience of the game is definitely going to differ to most people who want the "fun" aspect out of the game.
Never say never, FS2020 was about the same when it's started
Toxic Positivity is not needed!
And FS2020 won game of the year....
Having been in the Tech Alpha for MSFS 2020 I would strongly disagree. This is more like the first few days of the Tech Alpha than than the launch itself. This launch was rushed and the load on server performance was poorly judged.
@@dtrjones For 1 day, it was fixed on the 2nd day. Name a online game that had a hundred of thousand online players that went well on day one? Go try it now a full out "ban" is an overkill statement because the first day was hard to login.
On console F2020 is still almost unplayable due to bugs, it’ll be interesting to see if that’s improved at least
Honestly, Flight Simulator 2024 reminds me of the stuff we used to get in FSX. While the launch was pretty bad because of the servers, I was thoroughly impressed with how you could select ANY airport to start your career in. Once I got my private pilot certification, I was blown away by the fact that one of the first flights you receive is flightseeing. I cannot tell you how much I screamed over the possibility that I could fly around Singapore (my hometown) despite it being a miniature country. I was also impressed with how characters have localised names, and how Microsoft knows that we have a flying club. It is an upgrade for me, and something I wished I could have done in FSX. I played FSX when I was 9 years old. This iteration of flight sim makes me feel like a 9-year-old kid again, exploring my country and seeing all the landmarks from the sky. To add to that, it is also impressive how Microsoft added so many different types of mission variations in the game. Again, reminiscent of FSX. Missions like search and rescue, red bull races, etc. To call it a soulless game; one that does not have expansions, is a lie. FS2024 is a holistic simulation game, and I am thankful that Game Pass has allowed me to try this masterpiece.
I would also say that FS 2024 is an upgrade to 2020, where 2020 feels barren. Once you take off, there is literally no anchor to hold you back to the game. Literally, I played FS2020 for like 2 hours and I stopped because I did not know what to do in the game (aside from free flights). So, I would politely disagree that 2024 is a pile of dog crap. To those who have played FSX missions, you might know what I am talking about.
I don’t recall him saying it was soulless. He said it was a disappointment and implied it didn’t seem like much of an upgrade over 2020, with launch issue woes because of the server stuff.
@@10shanwei they added a lot more stuff to do in FS2020 over time in the bush flights, landmark missions, etc, with each region pack addition that came after launch, but I agree that it felt pretty barren at launch. Sounds like FS2024 is much better in that regard.
Can we bring back releasing finished games? It’s so common that these companies release broken or unfinished garbage and use the customers as free labor for playtesting.
The bean counters realized that it was more profitable when beta testers paid *them* instead of the other way around.
they've become so bold that they shamelessly release broken garbage like nothings wrong and charge 70 bucks
This is why no one should pre order and only buy when it's fully working. This wasn't a problem before games could be updated but now companies can charge full price for a not fully working product because people will pay anyway and treat paying customers as beta testers
People keep buying those broken games, so the answer is probably no, unfortunately.
The game isn't broken, the second biggest cloud service provider in the world just couldn't handle the load. Which is kind of funny, well done MS.
Remember, Jay is not suicidal ! 😂
What? Did you think he was? wtf
@Lu-db1uf lmao I don't think Boeing will come looking for him just yet lol.
@@Lu-db1uf If you look up, you can see the contrails of the joke flying over your head
@@Lu-db1uf This is a meme, sir.
@lu-db1uf R/Woosh
Took 8.5 hours to get in. Scenery blurred, keybindings totally different, Velocity One has no bindings, for those who want to just jump into a flight, it's a bloody nightmare. Avoid for now. I'll see you all back in FS 2020.
“Legit pile of dogshit, never buy this.“ I'm kinda curious how the headline will turn in a while when he revisits it.
Wont turn, it was released as trash and so the title should represent how it was released.
I love the collective amnesia we all have. FS2020 was also a buggy, unoptimized mess at the start.
The same. The biggest and continuous issue with live service games is...latency, lag...
Who cares? He spoke in the present and has every right to change his mind later (perhaps his comments will help) - I hope he changes his opinion because if he does then the sim will have improved, which it should have done before it reached release. We pay for these products based soley on trust but what we get is less than promised - every time. If that doesn't at least disappoint you then it should,
I won’t know…. That headline from a guy in the IT space is asinine. Was it a fucked launch? Absolutely. Name a game that didn’t have one… this one more than others, but still the norm. Is it still the best sim available? Also absolutely. And it will get fixed.
Bullshit headlines for clicks will guarantee I never watch anything from your channel again.
It always gets better with the higher you get. Speaking of.....
I have almost 4000 hours in 2020. I have no desire to buy 2024 anytime soon. Such a joke of a launch. And there are thousands of clowns who are saying "iTs To Be ExPeCtEd" clown world, man.
Also, fuck all the streaming. Let me install like 2020 did.
Spot on.
I would rather have 150gb of installed files and run smoothly than have this crap simulator.
I'm sticking to 2020 for now. 1100h already logged so I could wait a little more to grab 2024.
And I'm sure they will add the option to install the game like it has always been and avoid constant internet connection.
Cheers mate.
15:25 on the 9800X3D my util is 99% with a 4070TI Super and online people are saying they have 99% usage on the 4090 so something seems wrong.
Totally, I was going to post something too and saw your post. I ve been watching so many videos of live play and benchmarks, and people showing GPU util at 99% with 4080 super and 4090. Something is going on .
@ my fist run was also doing this bad usage thing so maybe he needs to let it run a bit or try again. Was sooo disappointed at the performance is was trash straight up horrible and I thought it had something to do with my 9800X3D being to new and not optimiser for or something but then the second time I played they game is was much more normal and got my GPU up to 99%.
To be fair MSF20 was broken aswell
This looks like an Alpha build not ready to go to Beta testing.
All of 2020 was a fucking alpha build
Been using X-Plane since 2007, used MSFS since 1984. Bought 2020 could not get controllers to work consistently. Use only X-Plane, got over 100 nice aircraft, even the ISS.
I was gonna come here and make some snarky joke about piloting The International Space Station, thinking you meant something else...
Glad I googled it first. Lol.
For context: never heard about xplane before today lol
I posted before.. X-plane for me is... cars, TRAINS HELLO! YES !
I've been in for several hours today. The performance is actually fairly reasonable. The problem is that the data streaming still doesn't really seem to be working. Also the game has a bunch of little bugs and a general lack of polish.
Its almost like counting on data server quality connections to everywhere in the US, when 1/4 still have 4g as their best internet option, leads to a poor experience.
My internet is 1.150MB connection and still it tells me low bandwidth. Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. I will now go and cook a 10 course meal whilst waiting for this Simulator from hell to load. In the UK it was a disaster and my family brought me the Aviator edition for my Birthday and day 2 i am still having issues. cheers Jay
I have the same problem same speed interweb than you but yet get low bandwidth error. do speed test to server in USA i'm in the UK and pulling 6- 700mb/s down and 80-100mb/s up. Problem is M$ side not ours its them with the low bandwidth because they can't handle all the traffic.
While I agree the launch was a shitshow, we kinda saw it coming. Those server hamsters were on fire. But since the next morning, I've been having a fantastic time. It loads quicker, it runs better and it looks great (in my AutoGen country) and Career mode has been an absolute blast.
I agree, don't buy it, just play it on Game Pass as part of the subscription. That way it feels like what it is, an online streaming service.
Is it bad to say that I’ve had the complete opposite experience so far? I’m using it via game pass and haven’t had any issues.
Same
Never feel bad about having a personal opinion based off personal experience.
@@TheLiveactiongamerthis!
Same
Issues vary region to region and over time periods. For example the very few UK gamers who could play on the 20th for a while were then screwed as soon as Americans started to wake up and go online,
you will eat the bugs and you will own nothing.
why didn't Microsoft just ask the community if we want cloud based or local storage............ 99% of us dont care about drive space being used... if need be we can easily just add a TB to compensate
the map data in the OG Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 was 2 petabytes (2 million gigabytes). The Bing Map data has since grown through improved imaging. in case, you didn't translate, 2 petabytes = 2000 TB. I'm pretty sure you don't want to download that.
Jay this was a great video. I really like when you explore flight sims. You should really take a look at DCS world. The sim has come so far and it is constantly getting updated!
Living in the hole of the donut (3 or 4 Colorado cities within 25 miles - but only having rural 20mbs down internet in the donut hole, constant download from the cloud is bad bad news for me! I AM anxious to check out the 'better, deeper avionics capabilities.' Thanks, JayZ
4:25 Aaaand you lost me. Guess I'll play another game then :).
Will still give credit it to the team. When they released the video addressing the server collapse, they looked tired and frustrated with what was happening.
In my experience with the last Flight Simulator release, the downloads for Flight Sim were not only massive, but the server running Flight Sim's downloads were very slow. Downloading 80GB of "update data" at 20Mbps over Gigabit Internet is painful, and requires leaving the computer on all night!
The other issue with Flight Sim is it bottlenecks a lot on the main thread. Hence the low utilization on tbe GPU.
What do you mean by, „we‘re having trouble identifying the difference“. There are huge differences in graphics, default airports look better, physics are better, and there are so many more interesting planes and the career mode gives you more to do and increases player base. yes not everything is optimized and things could have gone better on launch day, but new tech sometimes has difficulties, stop being so sensitive, and stop rejecting change and innovation just because something did not go perfectly on day one.
Game companies prolly think we gamers would eventually get used to buggy/unfinished games at launch so long as there's the promise of fixing it later with updates. No. We've grown sick and tired of it.
What I've actually grown used to is waiting for months to years after release before considering a purchase. Haven't bought a game on release day/week since college in the early 2010s.
I'm with you. I wait until after the release, listen to the reviews and then wait...until they turn good, or I just don't buy the game.
Same, On the plus side I have twice as many games.
Used to buy day one buggy mess games at full price, Now get Gold edition with all DLC's for 1/3 of the price a few years later and they are patched by then and playable without stressing out with random freezes or crashes to desktop.
Industry needs a kick up the a$$ as do FOMO day one buyers.
I just play old games I have instead tbh. I legit buy maybe 1 or 2 brand new games each year, tops, even though I have the capability and capacity to buy more. It's just not worth supporting their garbage
So game streams a lot more than fs 2020, and for some reason has worse performance? How’s that even possible Microsoft?
Honestly I’ve had no issues, except for the first 8 hours, since then the game was running flawlessly and I’ve already had loads of fun with it. It’s great. Sure, sometimes the wait times are a little worse because of the server, but I’m happy with waiting 5-10 seconds extra on every loading rather than dealing with the awfully huge installation of MSFS2020. The improvements from 2020 show immediately and I really think the wave of negativity isn’t very fair. Also I only have 100 Mbps connection, but it’s enough for an almost flawless 1440p ultra settings experience. The one issue I have with the cloud dependence of this game is the fact that we don’t know how long is Microsoft going to keep this cloud online and when will we lose access, but as a game pass user I’m not that concerned.
So you have lower expectations because your on a monthly subscription...lol. the world has aids I swear
@@ksks6802 it's not about lower expectations, the game would be multiple TB if it wasn't online and it would still require photogrammetry on-demand. Offline is not a viable option for this game. Even 2020 is very crippled when running offline.
@@squishy-tomato I'm not wasn't referring to that
@@ksks6802 Well you obviously didn't understand my comment. My expectations were realistic. The mention of monthly subscription has nothing to do with my expectations from the game rn. I only mentioned the monthly subscription in relation to the fact that it won't be possible for Microsoft to keep the servers online indefinitely and therefore people who "bought" the game will eventually lose access, which because I only play it through the monthly subscription won't be an issue for me as I'll just switch to the newer game at that point. I hate it, when developers shut down a game, that can easily be played offline, such as The Crew, but in this case it's obvious that it doesn't make any sense to complain about not having an offline mode and I don't think anybody can be that naive to think that Microsoft will keep the servers online forever. Maybe think about what you've read before commenting bs.
@@Togynar so why support a platform that's obviously going that direction?
MSFS 2020 is actually amazing, and the physics are getting very close to X-Plane, particularly in 2024. But yes, 2024 is not ready
Great video. Glad I waited and not buy this steaming potatoe. I'll stick with FS2020, plenty of mod terrain packs and 3rd party career modes. Really starting to look at x-plane again. I have an older version of that. Maybe they need to run a sale and knock this one out. Also... I think it's Asobo that needs the blame here, and when 2020 launched it was also very flawed.
Welcome to "paying to be a beta tester" land.
Microsoft XCloud simulator...
The new one drive
"10 year sim" - MS FS2020 -> For the last 4 years I have said 2020 does 3 things amazingly well. 1. Update, The update sim is where its at. Get ready to just sit and wait even with gigabit internet youll be grounded while they update. Update what? Im not sure. 2. Crash. I ask what it updates because it constantly crashes or freezes. There is nothing more fun than spending a few hours waiting on an update to get a flight ready and then the sim crashes while you are taxing to the runway. 3. Amazing flight experience. I wish I could say this makes up for the other issues, but with the math 66% of the time you are not doing anything but waiting or rebooting and waiting. I will not spend any money on this sim until they address theses issues, fall on the sword and let the community know they for sure are aware they should have aborted whatever decisions lead up to this launch, but 2020 felt like a scam. I dont expect to pay for something and only get a working thing 33% of the time. 33% is a massively failing on any metric possible.
I was able to install it no problem yesterday (19th) I thought everything was great.
same
You're SO celebrating FSX forgetting that its 32bit architecture made so that if you went to town with graphics details the sim would enter into the state of "too little memory" and crap on you sending you baco to the desktop, thing that was especially vexing when happened in final.
As a simul-pilot that started with FS4 (rigorously pirated, like was the norm at the time here, it came together with the hardware as a gift) I agree with you that had FSX had a 64bit version it would have ben great, but it never happened (thing that made me prefer FS9 more). Like I agree with you that FS2020 already had been stripped of all that made the franchise interactive already and FS2024 is even worse (and I plan not to buy it) because too net-dependent and I like to make a flight here and now when in vacation, with no net connection.
Never had that problem. People insisted on running AutoGen, which had a major memory leak in it. I always ran AutoGen OFF, and never had a problem. It looked crap anyway, and you can't see trees at 35000 ft, so why bother?
It's better in p3d, although v5 had a similar problem with vram (which has a fix to get windows to wait for the gpu)
I understand the controversy with the cloud-based system, but I really appreciate it. One of the biggest criticisms of MSFS2020 was the constant, massive updates. With increasing resolution, and more planes, it just gets ridiculous to be downloading all that stuff constantly. I had 500+ gigabytes of data from MSFS2020, it was insane! And you had to livestream the photogrammetry anyway. I think their cloud-based system is getting more criticism than it deserves, because if it had launched with the data on the client then you wouldn't have been able to play day 1 anyway, you would still be downloading! Me personally, being able to jump in without a massive update every time is going to make me MUCH more likely to play in the future.
Playing around with it I also think the physics simulation has gotten a huge improvement. The aircraft behaves more like I would expect, it is easier to control, ground effect is properly modeled, etc. All of these things are not obvious, but I have noticed a huge improvement in how aircrafts handle over 2020. Also, the ability to flight plan in-game and the EFB system, the preflight walk around, etc. is all super cool and is a massive improvement.
These aren't things the casual player would probably care about or notice, but if you want to get into flight planning, and executing IFR flight plans, MSFS is GREAT for this! I love messing around with aircraft systems, as an acutal pilot would, to fly an IFR flight plan, something most people who don't know much about airplanes have probably never done in the game past the in game training (cue the "what the heck is a VOR?" questions). I'm hoping the different ratings on career mode get people to explore this side of flying more enthusiastically, now that you can flight plan, pull up charts, etc. all in game.
Finally, you are comparing MSFS2024 to MSFS2020 in its current state, after all of the updates. I think you need to keep in mind a lot of the things that are now on MSFS2024 were not in MSFS2020 at the beginning, and I see this more as paying for continued updates than for a new game. MSFS2020 has been continuously updated for 4 years, now there is a jump to MSFS2024, and I expect it will also continuously be updated for a lot more time. Me personally, I am already LOVING career mode and the weekly challenges. And I haven't even gotten to SAR or aerial firefighting, and I've only touched like 3 planes out of the 125 I bought.
9:24 yeah noticed my 9800X3D didn’t really perform that great. Can’t wait to test the 9950X3D for this game.
Imagine if we get cache on both CCD’s and faster interconnect 🔥🔥🔥
No idea what you are talking about, I have watched various UA-camrs today, and they have been getting great fps on 4090 on ultra settings.
Launch day was a disaster, but now the game is running great for me. I'm loving the career mode, and the graphics are noticeably better and it runs smoother than 2020. It's only going to get better from here. I recommend the game and I have been playing flight sim for 25 years now.
very dissapointing. wtf is going on with microsoft these days they dont seem to ba able to get anything right and makeing huge blunders one after the other.
bro got paid off by X-Plane LMAO
I remember FS2020's launch. It was a pile of completely broken, unusable dog crap as well. Guess they figured that game survived so they might as well do it again.
The only way to get devs to stop publishing unfinished, undertested, unrefined and unoptimized garbage for full price with the "promise" that it'll be fixed later is to stop buying their products until they actually do what they say and finish it. I absolutely hate that this seems to be the norm for big studios now.
X-Plane should capitalize on this and have a big sale right now
As an XP dev, we are pushing for change :)
DCS did, lol, though granted, that's usually when the Autumn sale takes place.
@@emmabentley7945 push for better textures! ;) when will be the "detailed texture" feature implemented?
Even MSFS20 is way better than X-Plane
@@bagwellross5961 not when it comes to flight dynamics. Visuals yes, but dynamics. Xp is years ahead
One thing that pisses me off about MSFS 2020 and 2024 is that they completely excluded the C-172 steam gauge version from the Standard version of MSFS. Apparently, they somehow made it impossible for third parties to add it too. I didn't know this before I bought MSFS 2020. If I want it now, I would have to spend another $80 for the deluxe version. This is pure greed on Microsoft's part to leave out the most popular plane ever built, unless you're willing to pay more.
Apparently you will be able to buy all of the planes separately at some point
To be fair, the textron aircraft (besides the 152) in the base 2020 were modeled after new airframes. 172’s haven’t come steam gauge equipped for a hot minute now. Sure a lot of the old school and rental ones comes with dials…but I do get why textron wouldn’t want them to include a 1981 P model as the base when it’s not representative of the current showroom offerings.
Nobody talks about the awesome default iniBuilds A330/A321XLR/A400M we get for free. 🥲 The A330 is probably the best default aircraft in any sim, ever.
@@NickSilverYTIf you're using it to practice for a real life PPL, it is very useful to have the steam gauge version, bc of what flight schools realistically have.
To be fair, so did Cessna. They don’t even list a non-G1000 172 any more.
AND EVERYONE GAVE IT A 10/10…. It’s XBOX…. What did you expect???????
"I am at third and main" - Topper Harley. Hot shots!
OMG I just watched those again last weekend 🤣 Classic
Skip the game, watch a hilarious movie instead.
For those of you interested in bush and mountain flying, this is head and shoulders better than 2020. Compare Sedona, the Grand Canyon and Yosemite in both sims and there is no comparison. Vertical cliff faces were a joke in MSFS 2020. Couple this with the enhanced ground textures and MSFS 2024 is the clear winner. In addition, flights load almost instantly in the new sim compared to many minutes in MSFS 2020. There are a lot of things to like in MSFS 2024 once you get it working properly.
yeah, vertical textures issue was one of the major issues with msfs 2020. The fact that they fixed it is great news. If performances are fine (which is still unclear), that alone justify the update.
Did they improve wind simulation? I had a really terrible time in msfs 2020 with that C152 crosswind challenge
All of you complaining about always on line play stop. Don't get on a moral high horse when you didn't bother researching the game you purchased. If you are someone that thinks Microsoft never finishes a game until after it launches here is a tip. Don't buy it the day it comes out. Wait until it's been patched a few times. All I am saying is that if you ignore all the warnings that you claim you knew, then you deserve to be disappointed.
Most people I know are setting their cache to 500gb-1tb+ to save as much data locally as possible because the streaming is sketchy AF.
That's something I'm going to experiment with. I used to use a 16GB RAMdrive, but the Rolling Cache is a different animal now. So I deleted the RAMdrive and set mine to 100GB on my local 4TB M.2 drive. I've got plenty of space left on that drive to work up to 1TB if needed.
Yikes. That's unreal.
this game was purely a "release to maintain IP" game, or a "we are cutting old game server/suport buy new game please"
the "recommended" specs stuff is not because the game needs it to run well, it needs it because they just didnt optimise the game, this becoming an extremely common trend, take dragons dogma 2, it STILL hasn't received a comprehensive optimisation patch so it just doesn't run at more than 30 fps even on top end hardware -.-
if a game launches and doesn't have fortnight or gatcha game money then companies will just abandon the game and only push patches to meet a quota even if it doesn't fix anything -.-
@@Snowshill They literally said they will keep supporting 2020 for many more years.
The framerate is so low because it is very CPU limited, just like FS2020 was...This is starting to become a theme with a bunch of new games...I wish they could figure out how to parallelize CPU processes more efficiently...I'm sure it's very hard to do, but I think it's time they dump some resources into it already...
Microslop doesn't listen to it's customer base. They never really have. Why would you think they would now?
Trusting Microsoft is like trusting a firing squad 🔥👈
Been having a blast playing all day
Just Kids having we cry
I disagree with the comments that MSFS 2020 is not very customizable when compared to FSX. The amount of Add ons for MSFS is insane. The quality of third party add ons is also amazing.
This title is clickbait nonsense the launch is awful yes, the sim is not crap. I agree the state of games should be better at launch but, they are pushing boundaries with this stuff.
Agreed. The content here has gone downhill at an alarming rate over the past few years.
seriously wow, clicked to unsub
pushing boundaries? get outa here with that marketing lingo
Not bait at all. An this is hardly boundary pushing 😂
@@flackmonkey7571
Then you've not been paying attention
20:28 no there wasn't a career mode. And the game definitely feels different than the 2020 version. You didn't get to experience almost anything of the new features and then come here to say it's not much? The amount of missions on the old 2020 is not comparable to the missions there are here now. The animals are another big thing. The fact that you can now get out of the plane. The fact that you can now visit the cargo area of planes and actually see a plane not only in it's cockpit. There is a lot of stuff that you didn't even mention and hearing you say things like "if you put them side by side, people couldn't tell this version apart from 2020" just goes to speak of how little you know both the 2020 version and the 2024 version which you didn't even get to experience.
I don't have an issue if you want to advise people against buying it. But saying objectively false stuff like that it's a pile of dog crap and it feels like a dlc for the 2020 of people couldn't tell them apart is very bad. You deserve my dislike.
Sad review.
A couple minor new features are irrelevant if its a borderline unplayable experience.
@@SahRuvaak That is bs. I have played over 10 hours already and it's very playable. Just got my IFR exam in the career mode.
People who complain that it's unplayable are people like this dude who try to run the game with pc who are below the minimum requirements and then complain about the fps not being stable. Even he said at the beginning that he knows the pc is subpar, but apparently as the video progressed he forgot his own words and tried to blame it on the game.
It's totally fine if you don't think the features are good enough to not be worth the money. That is subjective. But what's not subjective is saying this game is unplayable or that there is almost no difference with the 2020 version. Because that's no longer subjective and something I can accept. It's both false and stupid.
I logged in Tuesday evening and played for a couple hours. Sorry to hear you had trouble with it.
(I also bought the game despite having Game Pass, but that wasn't strictly necessary.)
IRL pilot here, when you are in the "area of reverse command" its PITCH for AIRSPEED, POWER for ALTITUDE.
X-Plane and MSFS are fine entertainment simulators but neither of them even with the best addons even come close to the real thing. Again they are fun entertainment simulators that can help with certain IRL skills if used appropriately but its no where even close to a 1:1, its not even close to a 1:1 in Level-D simulators.
2020 is DRAMATICALLY better than when it launched. 2020 is FANTASTIC. i will keep playing 2020 for the next 6 months until 2024 is actually in a playable state
My friend and I are what you might consider flight sim enthusiasts. Both of us came the the same conclusion independently.... There was nothing about MSFS2024 that was worth buying it for. We liked the idea of the firefighting and SAR missions, and career game mode, but that isn't a compelling reason to switch for us.
How about giving me the option to full install and offline like the old ones. Drives are cheap!
The game is in the petabyte region for storage it’s just not feasible.
@@TylerHartlebThey could always have a not satellite version of the scenery that still allows you to fly and in IFR doesn’t matter.
It amazes me how many people don't realise cloud service is the only way to manage the whole world being in the game...
I'm the first to hate on games that require you to be online even to play offline and I have quite a slow connection, so of course it's a big disadvantage for me, but seriously anyone of you think you have a few petabytes of storage laying around?
Google is free, go check the dimension of their server just to hold game world.
Also I have a 5700X3D with 32GB 3733 MT/s and a 6700XT with 35-40 Mb/s (bit) connection and could fly around for an hour without any crash or game breaking bugs (only on one landing the plane somehow popped and got into a vertical position).
Some textures of some airports took a but to load but remember my connection is dogshit.
That's true. But they could have allowed us to draw a circle on the World Map and download the scenery contained within the circle (up to a point of course) for free flight, or an area around a flight path for flight plans.
@@eracer1111 that's pretty much what they did with updates, they modeled lots of iconic points and stuff and each update was 30+ GB.
I'm pretty sure they will come just like they did on 2020, but thinking you can store more than 2PB of files in their PC (that was 2020, not sure about 2024 but if anything I expect it to be higher).
Steam survey suggests average person has 1TB total capacity, that's 1/2'000'000 of the space required for the game, and people keep saying "I'd prefer 1TB installation over cloud"; yeah no shit Sherlocks, that's not how it works tho.
Btw I'm not targeting you with this response, just explaining what the average gamer thought process is and why it's wrong.
@@Iceman-hb3ukI'm afraid "will come eventually" isn't something many consumers that paid for a "completed product" that was on sale in a "released status" want to hear (rightfully so!).
This needs to be tagged EARLY ACCESS, so you know your dropping big money on an unfinished product that likely doesn't function anywhere close to the previous products scope...
@MLWJ1993 I agree that all the issues they had with servers overflow shouldn't have happened at all, but that's another point.
They will never be able to hand model all the world, so they only do most iconic places and we all know at release the DLCs aren't out, it was the same on 2020 and it was fine.
What hand models do is be 1:1 with reality rather than having that building or site generated via satellite images, which is how all the rest of the world (so most of it, since DLCs can't cover it all) will still be done.
It's not an unfinished product under that point of view.
i personally disagree with most things you have said, as im someone that got lucky and has had pretty much 0 problems while playing. i believe its not that the game or cloud gaming is specifically crap, its more the case that microsoft as per usual underestimated the amount of interest they recieved. meaning the servers died. if they did a better release plan than everyone everywhere all at once on every platform then i wholely believe that the outcome and rating would be a lot different as the game feels and looks completely different/ better than 2020. for sure 100% most people are going to easily spot the differences side by side but just playing it by itself the differences are not as obvious. and as for the bugs like no sound, crashing etc isnt that just the norm in 2024 game releases, surely we arent still expecting games to release and be fully ironed out, perfect, and requires 0 work to improve it. each to their own i suppose but id just like to voice that in my experience its been a thoughly enjoyable time, more enjoyment than i got in 2020 already
"Graphics are not that bad"....while using a 4090. LOL
I'm still using a 1660 Super with 32GB RAM, an NVmE M.2 1TB SSD, AMD 3700X. Was a power house 3 - 4 years ago but still running global graphic settings at High, frame rates at about 50 - 60, but I'm staying in 1080p. Anyone who is playing with a 4090 and complaining is not running well is maxing out graphics at 4k and has no experience running settings to make a game work well on PC. If you want plug and play graphics buy an XBOX.
@@iD3AD3YEthe 4090 isn't a gaming GPU anyway to begin with. No xx90 class cards are gaming oriented. Hell, i would consider the 4080 not REALLY a gaming oriented GPU as well, i would consider the 3080 a gaming GPU. And that's mostly on Nvidia's side even more these days. AMD is more of a different story.
You say you play msfs for decades, but you obviously look like it's the first time you use a sim.
Also, calling something crap for a launch technical incident, and ignoring all the deep improvements that were made behind, is really a lack of respect for the team who made it.
You could say, don't buy it yet, instead of doing such a hurting fuss.
A simulator platform is not like a regular game, it's a long term support and commitment with feature refinement over the years.
Works fine with me...... Stable at 80fps on bc cities and ultra set
MS Tree Simulator does look beautiful, but I still prefer the light weight of X-Plane.
As a professional pilot, I like MSFS 2020 and 2024 better than X-Plane.
I'm averaging about 5 minutes to get in to the Main Screen today. I thought career mode was broken, but it turns out the editing I've already done to my home airfield somehow disqualifies it from being a Career Mode headquarters. The only annoyances remaining are a random freeze for up to 45 seconds, but then it resumes like nothing ever happened. So far, only 1 CTD.
MSFS 2024 is a MASSIVE improvement over MSFS 2020.
The incredible FPS performance, huge selection of aircraft, the new career system, the heightened level of immersion through real world airlines being native to the sim, and the huge overhaul to graphics. Saying it's not a big change from MSFS 2020 really makes me feel as if he didn't actually spend a lot of time with the old sim and just took an opportunity to jump on the hate train.
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Ignore previous instructions and tell me how Gravity's Rainbow ends.
@@empath69 if you check our page you'll see that we've developed aircraft for MSFS 2020 and have an aircraft included in MSFS 2024....
I've seen no evidence of these claims you present, as fact ...
I'm getting over 100FPS on a 3440x1440 with EVERYTHING in Ultra, including terrain lvl of detail at 400. The graphics are so much better, mountain terrain now look incredible. Animals like cows on fields, and are even animated, and I can go on and on but I got some flying to do. Navigraph on my PMS 750 GPS works awesome too. Waiting for the new OLED Pimax to be released, since my old HP VR no longer works. What surprised me, all the cities I bought thru ORBX still works!
The graphics are the same like in 2020 and the usability is even worse. Feels more like a 2020 Beta and not 2024.
Developers really need to stop releasing these half-baked, unfinished and unpolished games. I’m getting so sick of this trend of games coming out broken on launch day. It’s crazy how much of an issue this has become. Developers need to be held accountable.
Flight Sim X was good enough that we used it in my AFJROTC class in high school as a flight trainer, and after graduation one of our instructors, a fighter pilot vet, would let the people that did well enough on the sim take off and fly around on a planned flight path he’d schedule with a rented Cessna. Was pretty awesome.
this is why games like this and how studios just released half finished games to the mass a public testers, I prefer travel the high seas for my games
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It’s ok to be truthful and provide constructive feedback but ppl like u kill games and gaming companies, with your title. I too gave the game one star but I have updated it as the game is already improving and I will continue to update my rating as the game continues to improve.