How did they connect to your system? Wall charger to subpanel for Gateway with what amp breakers? Or did they install wall charger to some other component of system? I have 3 california contractors that don't know where to connect the wall charger to my 2 powerwall, solar system..
I am a Journeyman Meter tech at an electric utility. My apprenticeship was at SCE in CA. I work at substation level. I should be able to install this myself.
Tesla Certified guy out of New England here, thank you guys for breaking this down! Great content and absolutely worth subscribing if you are working with new technologies.
That’s oversimplified. If you have one large a/c a soft start might solve LRA, many homes in the south how two or more large a/c and you have to split our critical loads. It’s one of the reasons adoption is complicated and and expensive
I installed a 30amp outdoor generator plug L14l-30P, bought the 10,500 watt gas generator, and the 8' of 8/3 wiring with 4' watertight electrical whip sheathing , total cost was ~ $500. $5k to install this not including HW! Where do I sign-up to install this stuff and make $4500/install since the wiring will be only $500 max. Great idea, and there is a reason these guy want to be first out the gate to install this still, lotsa profit.
RE delay in switching over to the CT in an outage: This applies to an outage caused by a short circuit - tree branch on line, car hits pole, etc. The utility has breakers at the substation that can automatically restore power (depending on the programming). Here they are set to instantly (~1 sec) the first time than after about 30 sec for the next two times then for 1:30 the last time before locking out. This is to give time for the fault to clear. the fault may clear by a fuse on an adjacent circuit blowing or tree branch getting blown onto a line then falling off. So having a delay before switching over to the CT is advisable.
I currently have solar with Enphase Inverters (gateway) and Enphase Battery backup. Can I still just have the Tesla Powershare Gateway and universal connector installed alongside my solar gateway and have it work when I get my Cybertruck? Basically, I'm looking for info for those of us who have comparable setups that are not by Tesla already on our homes. Thanks in advance for any info you all can provide!
@@smartchargeamerica I would like to understand why that is true. My understanding is that a solar system with battery backup installed on a subpanel off the main breaker panel is INVISIBLE to the Powershare Gateway. In a whole-house Powershare backup installation, when the grid goes down, the Gateway detect it and puts split phase 240V power from the Cybertruck onto the L1/L2 and neutral lines into the home's main breaker panel. It has no idea what's connected to the main breaker panel. The Gateway effectively simulates the return of grid power to the main panel and to the existing solar + backup system so that the solar inverter continues to operate supplying power to house. The solar inverter automatically synchronizes with the Gateway's 60 Hz power waveform (AC coupling). Energy from the CT battery via the UWC and Gateway 3V supplements the solar power to handle all main panel loads. How is this not the case?
You absolutely can, you to check and possibly remediate ground vs neutral issues, and you won’t have automatic backup and transfer. You need to test and ensure you print a checklist of what breakers need to be left off before energizing the Cybertruck output
I already did this with the cybertruck at my cabin. Instead of using the gasoline generator I used the truck this last weekend. worked great without any issues. I used the 14 50 supplied charger cable adapter connected to truck 14 50 outlet to an extension cable to my generator connection on cabin and disconnected PGE for 7 days!!
That is what I would do, install a 50A generator inlet, panel interlock, and voila 40A power for $150 for 25ft 6/3 wiring, 50a inlet, and interlock. Problem is the $80k truck, so just buy 2 9500w inverter generators, get them running in series, and (2) 250galllon propane tanks, and you just saved $75k.
How easy is it to add a powerwall to this system post installation? Are there any considerations that need to be made during installation to accommodate this expansion at a later date?
The 3V Gateway would need to be uninstalled when adding Powerwall. For your second question, much could change when adding Powerwall depending on the size and loads in your home, if it involves solar, partial vs full home backup, budget, etc. Difficult to answer without having all the details.
@@smartchargeamerica thank you for your reply. Seems like a big miss if the 3V Gateway doesn't have that level of modular compatibility. We plan to add solar and power wall in the future, I wonder if there is a way to get out in front of the V3 installation with Tesla (our CT has been configured and just waiting on a vin) and have them install equipment that is better compatible with Solar/powerwall/Cybertruck.
Great information! I had been wondering how this worked. Quick question, the gateway is unique for power share, but if I already have a charger can I use that? It is the standard power charger? Thanks.
I have the latest Universal Tesla Wall Connector installed that is required with the original Tesla Gateway 1.0 that is part of a Tesla Solar and Tesla PowerWall2 system that was all installed by Tesla team. When I contacted Tesla Energy team they said it was not known if the Gateway 1.0 versus the Gateway 2.0 is required for this bi-directional charging... At the 27:00 min mark in your video you said existing PowerWall owners with Gateway (I suppose any version?) will not require anything else, it will work with a firmware/software update?
Tesla Wall Charger connects to which subpanel of gateway system with powerwalls? I'd like to send you a picture of my Tesla system installed. Im getting mixed information from different contractors that want to install my Universal tesla Wall charger here in N Calif. it's like they don't know what they are doing@@smartchargeamerica
Yeah, the powershare is one way to do it OR you could use a Bi DIRECTIONAL EV charger like the Ford Lightning uses to put juice INTO your cybertrucks battery pack AND it allows juice to be pulled OUT of the battery pack. Just like your powershare does without the added expense. !
What kind of LRA can it support. My 3-ton AC has an LRA of 83. How long is the "hand-shake" between the grid going down and the CT sending juice to the house? PWs are measured in milliseconds.
In case of an outage if you have a PowerWall system with Solar and now PowerShare installed and Cybertruck plugged in, how does the system work? Does the home start pulling from the Powerwall as usual and only supplement from the vehicle if the home battery is running low and solar isnt keeping up? Or does it pull from both? Also you mentioned excess solar cannot go directly to the vehicle?
That's great to learn. thank you for the new information. I have two powerwalls and solar and a Cybertruck. Just need the Wall Connector installed and Im good. along with software update to make it actually work.@@smartchargeamerica
I have the same question that I posted. I have the original Tesla Gateway 1.0 that was installed back in 2020 by Tesla and when I called Tesla Energy if it would be compatible with the V2H bi-directional charging and they said they did not have any info yet... This new 3V Gateway appears to be different from 1.0 and 2.0 Gateways
It will vary depending on many variables, what other equipment you have, and what you want the system to do when it is complete. I have Tesla solar from 2013, with an Aurora inverter of that epoch, rated at just 3 kW. So the design in my situation will vary from hundreds of others. But I would probably just purchase a Tesla Powerwall3 (which includes the inverter functionality) at the same time we install the Powershare equipment that is provided with the Foundation-series Cybertruck, and eliminate the old inverter completely. Then the installers would just tie my solar DC feed wires into the Powerwall3 and I'd be good to go, with solar, batt backup to the house from both Powerwall + Cybertruck.
26:09 This is great news if true! However, does the breaker for the PowerShare connected wall connector need to be put in the gateway? Otherwise, how will the Cybertruck battery feed into the load center?
The Universal Wall Connector breaker does not have to be in the Gateway however that is preferred as we also have to run the communications wire between the Universal Wall Connector and the Gateway.
I got a Cybertruck and planning a Powerwalls 2:install. Is the Gateway that comes free with the Cybertruck the same one you install with a Powerwall 2?
Silverado EV also supports this. Blazer EV as well with software update. Both have been out since video release. Just fyi. Also I am not sure but I think Rivian does it with software update? I am 100% sure about chevy, I work there.
If you already have powerwall and v2 gateway, you don’t need 3v and universal wall connector? Does the existing charger need to be a gen3 wall connector? How does the v2 gateway manage the solar power, powerwalls, and vehicle power? Does the gateway tell the vehicle how much power to supply? Does excess go back into the powerwall?
If you already have powerwall and v2 gateway, you don’t need 3v and universal wall connector? CORRECT. Does the existing charger need to be a gen3 wall connector? NO. How does the v2 gateway manage the solar power, powerwalls, and vehicle power? YES. Does the gateway tell the vehicle how much power to supply? YES. Does excess go back into the powerwall? YES
in Sweden the Tesla charger cost from Tesla store is $600.00 and a normal installation in a garage that has 240 volt three fas is a 1 to 2 hours job. Cost about $ 200.00.
I have a Tesla Solar Panels, Powerwall+, and Universal Wall Connector. Is this setup good enough to get the V2L working if I get a Cybertruck? And will this setup also work once they enable PowerShare on newer Model Y?
🤔Did you use a laptop webcam for video? The graphics look crisp and clear - but the video is noticeably soft and compressed. It might look OK on a small cell phone - but it's terrible on a larger screen. Thanks for the detailed information.
With the reverse compatibility to PW2 and Gen 2 Wall Connector, is the neutral formed at the PW2? If the NFT is required in the 3V to allow non-PW back-up, this is my assumption.
I have me gear on the way. No local installers so they are coming from 300 miles away. The installer (via qmerit) said i need a $650 soft start, but my Mitsubishi Heat Pump is inverter based with lra of max 15amp. And my understanding is these units can't use a soft start. Should i be concerned?
Where would a powerwall connect to this system? I would assume when it makes sense it would typically connect to the Gateway, but could it be connected direct to the sub panel?
Just answered on another comment: The 3V Gateway would need to be uninstalled when adding Powerwall. Much could change when adding Powerwall depending on the size and loads in your home, if it involves solar, partial vs full home backup, budget, etc. Difficult to answer without having all the details.
Teleprompter via iPhone on a desk does not work well. 😂 still, thanks for video on PS topic. Tesla confirmed I get $4k for install of the PS hardware that comes with CT Beast (tri-motor).
What are the options for those who just have solar no powerwall? Can I still install it ahead of the main breaker and wait for a software update or will i have to have the 3V installed after the main panel and feed a sub panel? DO you need to set up load shedding modules on those high power draw appliances or houses will multiple HVAC systems? I am assuming that 48 amps wont be able to sustain most homes in the event of an outage?
As of now, Powershare cannot coexist with any other power source except for Powerwall OR Powerwall + Solar. I do not expect that to change. If the grid goes down, your solar inverters will simply shut down and stay down until the grid comes back. Having existing solar will not alter the way we design your install. 48A can sustain a larger number of homes than you would expect. Most people will perform their own load shedding in an outage scenario in order to not waste energy.
@@smartchargeamerica Appreciate the response on that! Assuming the solar its tied in to the main panel now via a backfed breaker. If you were to install the 3V Gateway as the new main panel and back up the whole old main panel with the Gateway, could you put the solar breaker in the Gateway or the old main panel? It seems like in both scenarious the Solar Inverter might think the power is back on and try to back feed into the 3V Gateway when Powersharing with the Cyber Truck.
@@user-jt9nm1uq6e Good question. I haven't got Powershare installed yet, but I expect to install the 3V Gateway between the utility meter and my main distribution panel so that the whole house is backed up when the UWC (Universal Wall Connector) is plugged into the CT. My DC solar inverter is connected to a subpanel off the main distribution breaker panel. Since the DC solar inverter will see 240VAC at its connection to the subpanel, it will take power from the solar panels if there's somewhere to put it. That would be either house loads, depleted house battery (not Powerwall), or to the CT battery if back feed through the Gateway is possible. If not possible and solar power generation exceeds demand, the solar inverter will throttle back solar production using frequency shifting. I would think that back feeding excess power to CT's battery is possible since the UWC is AC coupled to the main panel, but the Gateway might not allow it until it senses that grid power is restored.
At 26:20 you said (paraphrased) "If you only have Powerwall OR wall connector you are good to go; you don't need 3V gateway" - but doesn't this need a grid disconnect? If you only have a wall connector, the Cybertruck would backfeed into the grid. Surely if you only have a wall connector, you'd need to install other equipment to enable the truck to power the house safely?
Apologies for the confusion. You need Powerwall AND Wall Connector in the backup circuit. If you don't have powerwall then you do need the universal wall connector and the 3V gateway.
if installing the Tesla Universal Wall connector with V2 gateway and powerwalls, will you be installing a communication wire from wall connector to gateway?
If I have a Solar two Powerwall 3’s and a im getting a universal charger do I need a 3V or a DC connection between the universal wall connector and the batteries?
Listen to this was rather interesting especially the part about all these worries about these battery, connectors and power, and all that stuff and fires sounds to me like the best course of action would be to return to some of the old stuff and what I’m talking about is the old idea of a central powerhouse Now this won’t work in a city but in the country or Township this work just fine in case someone doesn’t know what I’m talking about. I’ll try to keep this brief. Essentially you have a farm and in the center of your farm your power comes into a building this building houses all electrical and water components like water heaters etc. instead of having them in your basement nowadays most don’t have the water component part but the powerhouse part would be just fine. It would be safer and allow you to have battery packs and all that stuff in one central location and then pipe out to your home and other buildings. This means more electrical wiring with heavier cabling but I think this would be an easier way to handle things. The other thing to note is you could have a dedicated fire suppression system in your electrical house to extinguish these electrical components just my thoughts. Thanks for the great video. (just a little disclaimer I’m not electrician I’m just a farmer and I do it myself kinda attitude, but take my two cents with a grain of sand. These are just my thoughts.)
Why can’t I just connect 75’ extension cords [with a 3 way plug ] inside our home upstairs and down stairs into the CyberTruck outlets? [ instead of our old gasoline generator]
That's certainly an option! As long as you are okay with the amount of work + cleanup to do so. Would not cover any major appliances. I'm not a fan of the tripping hazard!
Most of the presentation is out of focus especially the black and white still image. You may want to get a professional videographer for any future presentations . 50 years in the electrical industry, and a licensed electrical contractor, and certified Tesla installer since 2014. You say it can come with a main breaker rated up to 200A (160A @80%) from the load side of utility meter (ahead of the homes main breaker distribution panel) but is not (yet) service entrance rated as with for example a SE rated generator back-up transfer switch and requiring a separate disconnect adding to installation cost, that can vary widely depending on the complexity. Tesla needs to get that one figured out IMO. Your presentation states the V3 is rated @ 110A= 26.4kW for a "whole house" transfer scenario. If the wall connector is 60A=11.5kW @ 80% (from what I have seen thus far) back-feeding from the Cybertruck, how is it possible to provide 110A of whole house back-up from 48A source via back- feeding from the wall connector? I've talked to Tesla tech's to gain more installation information as I have a potential client contacting me for a PS install and the tech's I spoke to could not answer my question as this is still very new from Tesla.
The Ford system does not work, and neither Ford, nor Sunrun will support it. Possibly if you have Sunrun install it, but then you have to deal with them putting screws through your livingroom wall. The equipment costs $6k, my install was $7k, and Ford charges you $500, "for the privilige".
wait this pos that only gets you a few thousand more watts....doesnt use the onboard transformer and youre paying for a whole additional transformer instead of just using the rear outlet the truck comes with....why? you get 0 additional energy out of the truck. whats the point? just to have it be automatic vs walking to garage and plugging in a cord once a year maybe?
TMI, you wasted a lot of our time by discussing how many seconds to initialize, and the limits of AC use. You didn't need to talk about that at all. Imo. I'm elect. Contractor and know it's not useful to fill the customer with info they don't care about. This is a cool topic.
yeah....this is worthless. good for yuppies. get a cord, plug into rear 240v power outlet. buy mcb interlock kit for 5$, setup cybertruck like any generator ever. turn off appliances as needed if it draws too much. hur dur. there hour of work and 5$ and a genny cord. every rv owner and contractor laughs at people like this. one single bonus - the 4500 extra gets you like 2000 watts more power....which still isnt enough to run a full house ac and makes really no difference so heyo
PowerShare installed for me as well 2 weeks ago. Not an employee. Waiting for a physical firmware update needed to enable the feature
Would you mind sharing the installation costs? Thanks.
@@ancientsnox5093~$5K
@@ancientsnox5093I’d love to get a ballpark on what the gateway costs to install as well
Yes, that is what the SCA guys said on the video at 35.25
How did they connect to your system? Wall charger to subpanel for Gateway with what amp breakers? Or did they install wall charger to some other component of system? I have 3 california contractors that don't know where to connect the wall charger to my 2 powerwall, solar system..
I had PowerShare hardware installed last week in Texas. Non-Tesla employee! Still not active… waiting for Tesla to refine software. 2:07
Do you have to have the powerwall or can you get by with just the gateway and the connector?
did they have to run a comm cable from wall connector to the gateway or powerwall?@@frankcoffey
I’m an electrician considering becoming a Tesla partner because I like to forward tech they offer. What would make you experience a better experience?
I am a Journeyman Meter tech at an electric utility. My apprenticeship was at SCE in CA. I work at substation level. I should be able to install this myself.
Tesla Certified guy out of New England here, thank you guys for breaking this down! Great content and absolutely worth subscribing if you are working with new technologies.
An honest broker. I would use this company.
Just add a soft start to the AC unit and it solves the LRA issue.
That’s oversimplified. If you have one large a/c a soft start might solve LRA, many homes in the south how two or more large a/c and you have to split our critical loads. It’s one of the reasons adoption is complicated and and expensive
I installed a 30amp outdoor generator plug L14l-30P, bought the 10,500 watt gas generator, and the 8' of 8/3 wiring with 4' watertight electrical whip sheathing , total cost was ~ $500.
$5k to install this not including HW! Where do I sign-up to install this stuff and make $4500/install since the wiring will be only $500 max. Great idea, and there is a reason these guy want to be first out the gate to install this still, lotsa profit.
Do you know of installers in Orange County CA that can install the PowerShare?
Yes! We are. You can request a quote on our website. smartchargeamerica.com/install/tesla-powershare/
Great video. #1 reason I reserved night 1, was hoping they would have this feature. Wish granted.
No mention of offgrid systems... Maybe a sweet cabin in the woods is now a possibility for the misses 😊
RE delay in switching over to the CT in an outage: This applies to an outage caused by a short circuit - tree branch on line, car hits pole, etc. The utility has breakers at the substation that can automatically restore power (depending on the programming). Here they are set to instantly (~1 sec) the first time than after about 30 sec for the next two times then for 1:30 the last time before locking out. This is to give time for the fault to clear. the fault may clear by a fuse on an adjacent circuit blowing or tree branch getting blown onto a line then falling off.
So having a delay before switching over to the CT is advisable.
I currently have solar with Enphase Inverters (gateway) and Enphase Battery backup. Can I still just have the Tesla Powershare Gateway and universal connector installed alongside my solar gateway and have it work when I get my Cybertruck? Basically, I'm looking for info for those of us who have comparable setups that are not by Tesla already on our homes. Thanks in advance for any info you all can provide!
I have the exact same and waiting on CT. I can imagine we are not alone and we should get the info if we ask all together
Sorry I missed your Enphase battery, I have 3 Powerwalls
As of now, Powershare cannot coexist with any other power source except for Powerwall OR Powerwall + Solar. I do not expect that to change.
@@smartchargeamerica I would like to understand why that is true. My understanding is that a solar system with battery backup installed on a subpanel off the main breaker panel is INVISIBLE to the Powershare Gateway. In a whole-house Powershare backup installation, when the grid goes down, the Gateway detect it and puts split phase 240V power from the Cybertruck onto the L1/L2 and neutral lines into the home's main breaker panel. It has no idea what's connected to the main breaker panel. The Gateway effectively simulates the return of grid power to the main panel and to the existing solar + backup system so that the solar inverter continues to operate supplying power to house. The solar inverter automatically synchronizes with the Gateway's 60 Hz power waveform (AC coupling). Energy from the CT battery via the UWC and Gateway 3V supplements the solar power to handle all main panel loads. How is this not the case?
26:08 for those curious about people with existing PW installations
If we have a generator inlet and an interlock, would we be able to just plug in the ct bed’s 240v outlet to the house generator inlet?
I don't see why not. If the truck's 220 can direct charge another EV it should be able to do the same to your home.
I expect this would work just fine! You would be limited to 40A instead of getting the full 48A.
You absolutely can, you to check and possibly remediate ground vs neutral issues, and you won’t have automatic backup and transfer.
You need to test and ensure you print a checklist of what breakers need to be left off before energizing the Cybertruck output
I already did this with the cybertruck at my cabin. Instead of using the gasoline generator I used the truck this last weekend. worked great without any issues. I used the 14 50 supplied charger cable adapter connected to truck 14 50 outlet to an extension cable to my generator connection on cabin and disconnected PGE for 7 days!!
That is what I would do, install a 50A generator inlet, panel interlock, and voila 40A power for $150 for 25ft 6/3 wiring, 50a inlet, and interlock. Problem is the $80k truck, so just buy 2 9500w inverter generators, get them running in series, and (2) 250galllon propane tanks, and you just saved $75k.
Excellent video! Thanks.
How easy is it to add a powerwall to this system post installation? Are there any considerations that need to be made during installation to accommodate this expansion at a later date?
also would love to know!
The 3V Gateway would need to be uninstalled when adding Powerwall. For your second question, much could change when adding Powerwall depending on the size and loads in your home, if it involves solar, partial vs full home backup, budget, etc. Difficult to answer without having all the details.
@@smartchargeamerica thank you for your reply. Seems like a big miss if the 3V Gateway doesn't have that level of modular compatibility. We plan to add solar and power wall in the future, I wonder if there is a way to get out in front of the V3 installation with Tesla (our CT has been configured and just waiting on a vin) and have them install equipment that is better compatible with Solar/powerwall/Cybertruck.
Great information! I had been wondering how this worked. Quick question, the gateway is unique for power share, but if I already have a charger can I use that? It is the standard power charger? Thanks.
I have the latest Universal Tesla Wall Connector installed that is required with the original Tesla Gateway 1.0 that is part of a Tesla Solar and Tesla PowerWall2 system that was all installed by Tesla team. When I contacted Tesla Energy team they said it was not known if the Gateway 1.0 versus the Gateway 2.0 is required for this bi-directional charging...
At the 27:00 min mark in your video you said existing PowerWall owners with Gateway (I suppose any version?) will not require anything else, it will work with a firmware/software update?
Correct!
Tesla Wall Charger connects to which subpanel of gateway system with powerwalls? I'd like to send you a picture of my Tesla system installed. Im getting mixed information from different contractors that want to install my Universal tesla Wall charger here in N Calif. it's like they don't know what they are doing@@smartchargeamerica
Yeah, the powershare is one way to do it OR you could use a Bi DIRECTIONAL EV charger like the Ford Lightning
uses to put juice INTO your cybertrucks battery pack AND it allows juice to be pulled OUT of the battery pack.
Just like your powershare does without the added expense.
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Do you think older Tesla vehicles will be able to power share with a future software update, or would only future year model S3XY get this function?
Thanks for the info, I have a foundation and really appreaciate it
What kind of LRA can it support. My 3-ton AC has an LRA of 83. How long is the "hand-shake" between the grid going down and the CT sending juice to the house? PWs are measured in milliseconds.
Powershare can support a maximum LRA of 110.
In case of an outage if you have a PowerWall system with Solar and now PowerShare installed and Cybertruck plugged in, how does the system work? Does the home start pulling from the Powerwall as usual and only supplement from the vehicle if the home battery is running low and solar isnt keeping up? Or does it pull from both? Also you mentioned excess solar cannot go directly to the vehicle?
Powerwall will be on control. Powershare is there to keep the Powerwall state of charge from getting too low.
That's great to learn. thank you for the new information. I have two powerwalls and solar and a Cybertruck. Just need the Wall Connector installed and Im good. along with software update to make it actually work.@@smartchargeamerica
Great video , what impact does having Tesla solar already installed have?
I have the same question that I posted. I have the original Tesla Gateway 1.0 that was installed back in 2020 by Tesla and when I called Tesla Energy if it would be compatible with the V2H bi-directional charging and they said they did not have any info yet... This new 3V Gateway appears to be different from 1.0 and 2.0 Gateways
It will vary depending on many variables, what other equipment you have, and what you want the system to do when it is complete.
I have Tesla solar from 2013, with an Aurora inverter of that epoch, rated at just 3 kW. So the design in my situation will vary from hundreds of others. But I would probably just purchase a Tesla Powerwall3 (which includes the inverter functionality) at the same time we install the Powershare equipment that is provided with the Foundation-series Cybertruck, and eliminate the old inverter completely. Then the installers would just tie my solar DC feed wires into the Powerwall3 and I'd be good to go, with solar, batt backup to the house from both Powerwall + Cybertruck.
No impact unless you have Tesla Powerwall.
26:09 This is great news if true! However, does the breaker for the PowerShare connected wall connector need to be put in the gateway? Otherwise, how will the Cybertruck battery feed into the load center?
The Universal Wall Connector breaker does not have to be in the Gateway however that is preferred as we also have to run the communications wire between the Universal Wall Connector and the Gateway.
@@smartchargeamerica Thanks 😊
I got a Cybertruck and planning a Powerwalls 2:install. Is the Gateway that comes free with the Cybertruck the same one you install with a Powerwall 2?
No, it is a different Gateway.
Silverado EV also supports this. Blazer EV as well with software update. Both have been out since video release. Just fyi. Also I am not sure but I think Rivian does it with software update? I am 100% sure about chevy, I work there.
Does the PowerShare connection need to be near my main breakers or grid meter? My garage is on the opposite side of the house
If you already have powerwall and v2 gateway, you don’t need 3v and universal wall connector? Does the existing charger need to be a gen3 wall connector? How does the v2 gateway manage the solar power, powerwalls, and vehicle power? Does the gateway tell the vehicle how much power to supply? Does excess go back into the powerwall?
If you already have powerwall and v2 gateway, you don’t need 3v and universal wall connector? CORRECT. Does the existing charger need to be a gen3 wall connector? NO. How does the v2 gateway manage the solar power, powerwalls, and vehicle power? YES. Does the gateway tell the vehicle how much power to supply? YES. Does excess go back into the powerwall? YES
Thanks
in Sweden the Tesla charger cost from Tesla store is $600.00 and a normal installation in a garage that has 240 volt three fas is a 1 to 2 hours job. Cost about $ 200.00.
I have a Tesla Solar Panels, Powerwall+, and Universal Wall Connector. Is this setup good enough to get the V2L working if I get a Cybertruck? And will this setup also work once they enable PowerShare on newer Model Y?
Yes, you are good to go.
How does this affect you if you are currently on nem 2.0 with no battery back ups? I don’t want to be moved to nem 3.0
FYI: tesla can charge on Solar with a software setting in the vehicle.
🤔Did you use a laptop webcam for video? The graphics look crisp and clear - but the video is noticeably soft and compressed. It might look OK on a small cell phone - but it's terrible on a larger screen. Thanks for the detailed information.
It was originally a live youtube using a laptop webcam. We are currently investigating alternatives for future videos. Thank you for the feedback.
With the reverse compatibility to PW2 and Gen 2 Wall Connector, is the neutral formed at the PW2? If the NFT is required in the 3V to allow non-PW back-up, this is my assumption.
Bingo! Powershare will essentially keep the Powerwall from running out of juice.
I have me gear on the way. No local installers so they are coming from 300 miles away.
The installer (via qmerit) said i need a $650 soft start, but my Mitsubishi Heat Pump is inverter based with lra of max 15amp. And my understanding is these units can't use a soft start.
Should i be concerned?
Yes, that is concerning. You do not need a soft start unless the LRA is more than 110A.
Where would a powerwall connect to this system? I would assume when it makes sense it would typically connect to the Gateway, but could it be connected direct to the sub panel?
Just answered on another comment: The 3V Gateway would need to be uninstalled when adding Powerwall. Much could change when adding Powerwall depending on the size and loads in your home, if it involves solar, partial vs full home backup, budget, etc. Difficult to answer without having all the details.
Teleprompter via iPhone on a desk does not work well. 😂 still, thanks for video on PS topic. Tesla confirmed I get $4k for install of the PS hardware that comes with CT Beast (tri-motor).
What are the options for those who just have solar no powerwall? Can I still install it ahead of the main breaker and wait for a software update or will i have to have the 3V installed after the main panel and feed a sub panel? DO you need to set up load shedding modules on those high power draw appliances or houses will multiple HVAC systems? I am assuming that 48 amps wont be able to sustain most homes in the event of an outage?
As of now, Powershare cannot coexist with any other power source except for Powerwall OR Powerwall + Solar. I do not expect that to change. If the grid goes down, your solar inverters will simply shut down and stay down until the grid comes back. Having existing solar will not alter the way we design your install. 48A can sustain a larger number of homes than you would expect. Most people will perform their own load shedding in an outage scenario in order to not waste energy.
@@smartchargeamerica Appreciate the response on that!
Assuming the solar its tied in to the main panel now via a backfed breaker. If you were to install the 3V Gateway as the new main panel and back up the whole old main panel with the Gateway, could you put the solar breaker in the Gateway or the old main panel? It seems like in both scenarious the Solar Inverter might think the power is back on and try to back feed into the 3V Gateway when Powersharing with the Cyber Truck.
@@user-jt9nm1uq6e Good question. I haven't got Powershare installed yet, but I expect to install the 3V Gateway between the utility meter and my main distribution panel so that the whole house is backed up when the UWC (Universal Wall Connector) is plugged into the CT. My DC solar inverter is connected to a subpanel off the main distribution breaker panel. Since the DC solar inverter will see 240VAC at its connection to the subpanel, it will take power from the solar panels if there's somewhere to put it. That would be either house loads, depleted house battery (not Powerwall), or to the CT battery if back feed through the Gateway is possible. If not possible and solar power generation exceeds demand, the solar inverter will throttle back solar production using frequency shifting. I would think that back feeding excess power to CT's battery is possible since the UWC is AC coupled to the main panel, but the Gateway might not allow it until it senses that grid power is restored.
If your HVAC system has gas heat can you exclude just the AC unit but allow the heating system to operate the electronics and fan?
Yes. That was what he was talking about when he suggested some backup loads could be separated from other high-current draw loads or high-power loads.
18:00 That is why I have a 60 kW generator, powered by nat gas, which will run everything for as long as needed.
At 26:20 you said (paraphrased) "If you only have Powerwall OR wall connector you are good to go; you don't need 3V gateway" - but doesn't this need a grid disconnect? If you only have a wall connector, the Cybertruck would backfeed into the grid. Surely if you only have a wall connector, you'd need to install other equipment to enable the truck to power the house safely?
Apologies for the confusion. You need Powerwall AND Wall Connector in the backup circuit. If you don't have powerwall then you do need the universal wall connector and the 3V gateway.
if installing the Tesla Universal Wall connector with V2 gateway and powerwalls, will you be installing a communication wire from wall connector to gateway?
Since Powerwall is installed there is no communication wire needed.
@@smartchargeamerica Thank you!
If I have a Solar two Powerwall 3’s and a im getting a universal charger do I need a 3V or a DC connection between the universal wall connector and the batteries?
You never mentioned the cost for the PowerShare anywhere you just said it’s cheaper ish than a generator.
If I have existing solar- non tesla- will it tie into this system?
No, it will not. You would need Tesla Powerwall in your scenario in order to take advantage of your solar during a grid outage.
@@smartchargeamericait is supposed to work without any other battery bank
Would this work with other V2H/L capable vehicles? EG Ioniq etc?
Not currently. Tesla will make this V2H functionality available to other manufacturers that adopt the North American Charging Standard.
It is not clear to me if Powershare can do V2G/send power to grid at peak times and recharge at off-peak. Can you clarify?
It is currently for V2H only. Not V2G.
If you have a v1 wall connector can it share the cable back to 3V gateway? I.e. can I use the old wall connector for a second tesla?
Power/circuit sharing is currently not a supported configuration for Powershare.
So if one has a Rivian, this wont work even if a Tesla charger is used?
Tesla's Powershare currently only works on Tesla Cybertruck.
What gauge wire is required for the 2 wire communication wire between the wall connector and the 3v gateway?
Perhaps a 600V rated shielded twisted pair, like Beldon 3088A.
It is 4 wires. 2 for power and 2 for communication. 16AWG or 18AWG depending on the distance.
Does anyone know if a Powerwall 3 can be landed on the Tesla 3V gateway?
No, it cannot. We would simply install the Tesla V2 Gateway in that case.
What is the second box installed in the install videos?
Tesla 3V Gateway is what we installed.
How does this work with multiple vehicles and multiple chargers?
Currently only one Cybertruck can provide Powershare at a time.
No soft start for AC on th v2g?
Listen to this was rather interesting especially the part about all these worries about these battery, connectors and power, and all that stuff and fires sounds to me like the best course of action would be to return to some of the old stuff and what I’m talking about is the old idea of a central powerhouse Now this won’t work in a city but in the country or Township this work just fine in case someone doesn’t know what I’m talking about. I’ll try to keep this brief. Essentially you have a farm and in the center of your farm your power comes into a building this building houses all electrical and water components like water heaters etc. instead of having them in your basement nowadays most don’t have the water component part but the powerhouse part would be just fine. It would be safer and allow you to have battery packs and all that stuff in one central location and then pipe out to your home and other buildings. This means more electrical wiring with heavier cabling but I think this would be an easier way to handle things. The other thing to note is you could have a dedicated fire suppression system in your electrical house to extinguish these electrical components just my thoughts. Thanks for the great video. (just a little disclaimer I’m not electrician I’m just a farmer and I do it myself kinda attitude, but take my two cents with a grain of sand. These are just my thoughts.)
Why can’t I just connect 75’ extension cords [with a 3 way plug ] inside our home upstairs and down stairs into the CyberTruck outlets? [ instead of our old gasoline generator]
That's certainly an option! As long as you are okay with the amount of work + cleanup to do so. Would not cover any major appliances. I'm not a fan of the tripping hazard!
It's has a 220 plug that produces 8000 watts. Just connect😊 it to a generator outlet.
Do you need 1 3V Powershare per Cybertruck? Or can multiple wall connectors wire into a single 3V?
Yes. It is currently not supported to have multiple Cybertrucks simultaneously providing Powershare on a single 3V Gateway.
At least until the firmware is available [June?], we live in Central Florida [huricane season is coming] Ref my above comment.
Yes. Extension cords could work fine in the meantime.
Most of the presentation is out of focus especially the black and white still image. You may want to get a professional videographer for any future presentations .
50 years in the electrical industry, and a licensed electrical contractor, and certified Tesla installer since 2014.
You say it can come with a main breaker rated up to 200A (160A @80%) from the load side of utility meter (ahead of the homes main breaker distribution panel) but is not (yet) service entrance rated as with for example a SE rated generator back-up transfer switch and requiring a separate disconnect adding to installation cost, that can vary widely depending on the complexity. Tesla needs to get that one figured out IMO.
Your presentation states the V3 is rated @ 110A= 26.4kW for a "whole house" transfer scenario. If the wall connector is 60A=11.5kW @ 80% (from what I have seen thus far) back-feeding from the Cybertruck, how is it possible to provide 110A of whole house back-up from 48A source via back- feeding from the wall connector?
I've talked to Tesla tech's to gain more installation information as I have a potential client contacting me for a PS install and the tech's I spoke to could not answer my question as this is still very new from Tesla.
The Ford system does not work, and neither Ford, nor Sunrun will support it. Possibly if you have Sunrun install it, but then you have to deal with them putting screws through your livingroom wall. The equipment costs $6k, my install was $7k, and Ford charges you $500, "for the privilige".
I have had my Cybertruck for 3 weeks and still no powershare install acheduled
video quality is like from the 90s
I appreciate the feedback. I noticed UA-cam Live video quality has been poor. We are working to improve this.
wait this pos that only gets you a few thousand more watts....doesnt use the onboard transformer and youre paying for a whole additional transformer instead of just using the rear outlet the truck comes with....why? you get 0 additional energy out of the truck. whats the point? just to have it be automatic vs walking to garage and plugging in a cord once a year maybe?
TMI, you wasted a lot of our time by discussing how many seconds to initialize, and the limits of AC use. You didn't need to talk about that at all. Imo. I'm elect. Contractor and know it's not useful to fill the customer with info they don't care about. This is a cool topic.
yeah....this is worthless. good for yuppies. get a cord, plug into rear 240v power outlet. buy mcb interlock kit for 5$, setup cybertruck like any generator ever. turn off appliances as needed if it draws too much. hur dur. there hour of work and 5$ and a genny cord. every rv owner and contractor laughs at people like this.
one single bonus - the 4500 extra gets you like 2000 watts more power....which still isnt enough to run a full house ac and makes really no difference so heyo
Yes, you can do that, but if you're not home when the power goes out you're screwed.
Would a soft start also help if the LRA was above the 110 amps ?
Yes!