@@davidbrown386 I like ASU, it's a better football program and it's possible UA won't go without ASU, but adding ASU over WSU would make as much sense as the B1G adding ISU so they can have the "whole" Iowa market. I would love it, but I'm not holding my breath for it to happen. Time will tell what they decide is best.
It is very possible, if it were to come up for a vote that the Big 10 Presidents/Chancellors may not allow a vote from USC and UCLA. The defection date is August 2, 2024. If it is true that they are primed to move after a new Commish gets hired after April of this year, there will be a widow where they will still technically be in the PAC. And will they allow them to accession to voting membership immediately?
Oregon and Washington should go independent and take the ESPN deal and split the $90 million and rotate who is on ESPN and ESPN + each week. $45 million a year is way more than they would make staying in the PAC12. They could do this until they get an invite from the BIG10 in 3 to 5 years.
😂 ESPN will not fork out that much just for Oregon & Washington. They are not a national powerhouse team. I can’t recall the last time these two teams actually won a national championship in the last 20 years or consecutive bowl appearances & wins.
somewhat feels like conferences are not really necessary anymore because they have too many teams to have a balanced schedule, rivalries don't matter much, and geography means next to nothing
Don’t agree new college football playoffs conference state conference champion get in. It’s why ND will never have first round bye or play home game. Conference champion is a big focus
A cross no doubt UND will have to bear as long as time lasts. They won't give up their football independence, and why should they? With a Nationwide fanbase, UND, like Army can support it. BYU could have done it but they preferred joining a conference.
Extension? for what? That just temporarily kicks the can down the road, and for what? The end game is the same. No agreement worth a vote, and UW and Oregon are out of there as fast as possible.
You tubers like this had the PAC12 and ACC DEAD . I guess it is their sources? Anyway PAC 12 will survive as will the ACC no matter who leaves? B12 only one that will crumble if a few leave and not necessarily any brands but again they have no brand national only regional teams. No P5 school will join the B12 for FB unless it is tied to BB.
Personally, I hope you’re correct. I’m also hoping BSU gets an invite to the Big12. I know it won’t taken, but I’m still holding out for hope. I like the blue collar teams in the Big12.
If the Pac 12 would add teams from central time zone , about half of their games would be played during prime time in three time zones. Exposure is the name of the game.
Wisdom, Preach. How in the world did the Pac12 think thst not inviting Kansas (a hoops blue blood that’s also in a major market, KC) & Tx Tech which would finally get them into Tx was a wise idea. No power 5 team is leaving any conference to join the P12 unless their conference is picked apart. PAC 12 will need to invite the best of the Gang of 5 non power programs. SD St for sure, SMU gives them a slice of Dallas, Memphis a good footprint in Tn Ms & Arky. Northern Illinois will soon have a 61K seat stadium to play in downtown Chicago which more than likely will have a dome. NIU in past 12 years has beat BYU, Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Northwestern, Purdue & GaTech. This fall NIU plays Boston College & Nebraska. Winnable games. NIU would give Pac12 a slice of Chicago
The only teams academically and athletically suited for CST addition would be SMU (which draws very poorly within their own Metro) or Tulane which does better but is still a smaller fanbase. Both are small private schools.
@@onlinepole you are saying what I have been thinking for the last couple months. Glad we agree now if only the powers that be would think outside the box. They might survive.
And I've always felt the Pac after dark was unnecessary. The games come on too late for anyone east of the mountain time zone (majority of the population) to care about.
@@onlinepole We would have turned them down flat. Tech would have turned them down flat. They have an axe to grind since they petitioned the PAC to take in: TTU,OSU and TCU. when Texas and Oklahoma defected. Poor George could have avoided this but was too filled with fake pride and academania. Kansas had the academics and the eyeballs they needed, but would not even consider it. None of the Old Big 8/12 teams except Colorado in 2010 went, so we had no axe to grind because we were smarter and took a longer view.
don't think it's a good sign or a bad sign but just a situational move based on geography and the decision was made now due to the already positive press for San Diego State
It was definitely the right move for both the PAC and San Diego State but could also be a sign that the PAC is about to lose members. We’ll find out eventually 🤷♂️
Great News for the P12, not good for San Diego State, when Washington, Stanford, Oregon, and Cal leave for the BIG 10, Then Colorado, Arizona and possibly ASU and Utah leave for BIG12!
If SDSU gets invited or joins the Pac 12 as it crashes and burns, does that elevate them to Power status and pro rata if the Big 12 adds them to Gonzaga and the Pac 12 schools it scoops up?
With SDST success in the NCAA tournament & it made it to the Final Four, they are holding off on the announcement to join the the PAC12. If they go all the way & win the tournament, it would give them national recognition & leverage for the PAC12 to negotiate their TV deal. By mid April we will see a more clear picture of the PAC12 deal & expansion.
@@GoldBlueDude Yes dude, Bluebloods. You know the 4 universities which have sustained the most amount of success for the longest period of time without major interruption. Kentucky, Kansas, UNC and Duke. They are a reality in the game of Basketball. Never heard of us? You know I am surprised at you.
@@JoeBurke304 Think maybe UConn will have a piece of this years trophy. This is a year like none we have seen since 2007. and what if SDSU-fails. As I can see this is your very first Final 4. You don't really know how pressured itis going to get for San Diego State. For my Alma Mater, last year was our 6th National Championship, our 16th Final 4, our 23 Elite 8. I could go on but why?
@@tarheel7406 it does not matter. The B1G does not want any more PAC teams despite the delusions of some. They did not want the PAC teams a few months ago when Commr Warren was pushing for it big time. Nothing has helped the financial issues to the B1G of taking teams that are not worth much according to the offers to the PAC.
@@observer46-vh5bm "The B1G does not want any more PAC teams despite the delusions of some." I maintain that the B1G will only consider more PAC after the ACC/ND situation is resolved, but I'm curious as to the original antitrust claim.
@@vernonsheldon-witter1225 "Too many Universities and too much dominance will get you looked into." The why not similar concerns for the BIG12 as GBD and related fans discuss apparently going to 36+ teams? There are boo coos of sports entertainment alternatives and these aren't professional leagues. The BIG8 killed the SWC by taking 4 in one pop, the ACC and SEC took 4+ from competing conferences. "Antitrust" is just the PAC's version of WVU's "extended runway".
If the Big 10 takes Oregon and Washington then even if some fraction of the 4 Corner Schools go to the Big 12 , how could the PAC 12 hold on to their Power 5 status no matter who joins them????
You’re assuming the Four corner schools will leave. All depends on the TV deal, they’ve signed. If they get the same amount of total revenue even if Or & Wa leave, than their per team cut just increased. SDST gets them back a slice of So Cal, SMU gets them a slice of Dallas, Memphis would get them parts of Tn, Ark & Ms. Northern Illinois gets them a slice of Metro Chicago. Memphis is expanding their stadium and NIU will have 61.5K seat Soldier Field when the Bears leave in 7 years
@@onlinepole They are worth about zero to the PAC. SMU gets you nothing in Texas except a lot of rich North Dallas money, no audience and no recruitment. Memphis gets you one of the most violent cities in the US, voted most likely large City to get murdered in, UNI will never leave the MAC for anyplace but the Big 10 and it won't happen, and the City of Chicago will tear down Soldier Field except for the Colonnade. They do this with old buildings they don't want anymore. It will end up a park.
ASU perspective. The only 2 schools that matter to the fan base and alumni are USC and Arizona. They are already losing the Trojans they cannot afford to lose the Wildcats
This comment isn't just directed as U.A. & ASU. This can apply to any pairing of major state schools. UW, WSU, UO, OSU. Publicly they need to put on a united front and say we are tied together. If the school is being offered status in one of the "super conferences" or a major conference upgrade with huge revenue increases they will jump at it. The whole idea that schools are locked to each other because they are from the same state or same state system went out the window with the UCLA and UC Berkley situation. The one state school that gets the huge revenue increase maybe forced to share it with their partner school say if Washington does get a Big10 invite, they may have to share with WSU or same with Oregon potentially having to share with OSU.
@@williamdiehl117 Oh I agree with you. Their point was they will stick together as long as physically possible. (aka ASU will do what UA does.). As an ASU fan I respect the leadership of Robbins from Arizona. ASU’s “leadership” is lacking with Crow. He was a Larry Scott apologist and seems to care more about the limousine liberal PAC crowd versus what’s best for our athletic program moving forward. If UA jumps, he’d jump. If UA stays, he stays.
@@williamdiehl117 That is why Universities keep teams of Lawyers on retainer. Simply the bad press of being sued by your State University might well be enough to get a split, similar to that found in Oklahoma, Iowa, Texas, Georgia, Florida, South Carolina, Colorado, New Mexico, Pennsylvania, etc.
SDSU has notbeen offerd by eh Pac 12. Also, there is no talks between the big 12 and San Diego State at all nonsense.I am an alum and a pretty big donor. Just not true
With the expanded playoff, conference championship games are not as interesting and can hurt the conference getting in more teams in the playoffs. Nobody cares about SDSU or Fresno, only a desperate PAC12 would consider them.
@@onlinepole Fresno can go pound sand. None of our Presidents would ever agree to it. They are in California and we are tired of being put down by fakes. Fresno to the Big 12 is a lie purported by proponents of a new Stadium that has not been ab le to pass. We have all seen it, You will see the Second Coming first.
I think that was fake news of SDSU turning down an invite to the Big 12, even if SDSU goes in the Pac 12, it could be too little too late if most of the current brands leave for the other conferences and the Pac 12 loses its power status.
Video idea: a 10 min clip about how UCF will become the premiere big 12 school in the conference over the next decade. 1. Largest student body 100k including grad and undergrad a year. 2. Largest living alumni base under 30 in the big 12. 3. Currently has a previous national championship winning coach. 4. Full athletic support from the university. 5. The only school in Florida in the big 12. No fights over recruits from other schools in the conference and already flipping recruits from the likes of Bama, UF, Auburn etc. sky is the limit. Ill let you take it from there my dude.
i think all the teams should stay where there at and make the play off fair everybody and just not only for Alabama it same like Alabama goes in the playoffs if they deserve it or not think make the playoffs to the best two teams out of each conference and let them go head-to-head until it's two teams playing for the championship
no; the conference champions are the 4 teams that will get a bye. If you win your conference championship you get a bye, that's the incentive to win the game. And, even if you don't win it all, you can say we won our conference championship last year.
G&b dude i gotta know what you'd do if you were cfb president for a day. Everything you wanted to happen would happen and nobody could do anything about it. Would you make the p5 conferences based of geography and rivals? No more west coast schools in a midwest conference?
The addition of a much lesser G5 teams to the PAC (SDSU? Fresno? Boise? CSU? etc) does not bode well for the future security of the PAC as a P5 Conference, nor it's future as a major player in Athletics. The possible MWC adds as well as SMU do not provide the same stability or advancement that the entrance of BYU, Cincy, Houston and UCF did for the Big 12. The Big 10 expansion question is also slightly nebulous, and no matter who they get as Commisioner, only the Presidents/Chancellors can make that decision. It is a given that with the vacuum in media contract, Arizona State would be nervous about their future within the PAC and their desire to stay with UA. Lots of questions with no clear answers. Academically, the Big 10 would be more interested inb the addition of Washington, rather than a lower rated Oregon, though it maintains it's necessary AAU membership (from what I hear barely) Utah will have to learn some humility before they join the Big 12. New Affiliates do not need to throw its weight around like Texas, which Utah is definitely not. ASU would be much more a likely add.
@@JoeBurke304 You won your tournament. Your 7th Huzzah. My Alma Mater has won our Tournament 16 times since 1997 when we started them and our Regular Season Championship 63 times, counting the old Big 8..all within my lifetime. And I wasn't talking about SDSU I was talking about BYU and TCU. BYU has been a powerhouse for longer than there was a Mountain West, Longer than there was a WAC and were members of the old RMAC with Colorado, Utah etc from 1918 to 1937 and a member of the Skyline Conference from 1938 to 1962 when the WAC was founded. TCU was a charter member of the Southwest Conference from 1923 to 1994, so if they have had sustained success, they can thank the SWC and Big 12. . I looked at NCAA records you not only have not been to the final 4, this is the first time you have gotten past the Sweet 16. We have been to the Elite 8 23 times, the Final 4 16 times and came in second 6 times and won it 4 times and won 2 Pre NCAA Nattys. So good luck. You will need it.
@@vernonsheldon-witter1225 I will present you with the facts and nor opinions since now you alluded to SDSU. Since 2005 in college basketball here are the top 5 programs in winning percentage: 1. Gonzaga 530-97, 2. Kansas 537-116 3. Duke 508-131 4. Villanova 461-160 5. San Diego State 454-158. We have been good for a long time and deserve a P5 invite. I will again mention that SDSU also beat Kansas in Lawrence in 2014.
Those two schools think they are alot more valuable than they are your right the rest of America knows the truth like you , not that much value. I don't even want them in the big 12,way to uppity for normal Americans
Four Conners should wait to see what Stanford and Cal do. If they leave then the PAC 12 would basically become the MW, so they should go. If they stay then the PAC 12 will still become the MW put they can make research money, because that’s all they care about.
They are getting very tired of waiting to see what Cal and Stanford do in the MST zone. UA,CU and ASU are ready to jump if the deal doesn''t suit them. I work for CU and his is all you hear. Utah is the one exception and nobody wants them. They can play house with Boise, Fresno and SDSU. We got rid of an ill behaved Texas. We aren't going to put up with Utah. The MWC will remain the conference it always was, and always will be but adding the PAC leftovers, Stanford will end up with Washington in the Big 10, and the Big 12 will take the universities that fit in with us. We have the Big Dog (Cougar?)of the old MWC anyway. BYU has the best facilities in the Conference that are not a Pro Venue. Now is everybody happy?
Financially doesn’t make sense to add any more teams at this time for the Big10. Wash and OR don’t bring don’t enough value. based on what has been talked about, the eastern schools don’t want to go all the way to the west coast more than once a year.
You’re wrong. Washington does bring value. Are we bama or Ohio st…. Definitely not. But, we bring a long and proud CFB tradition, the 12th biggest TV market, good undergrad studies, positively elite post grad studies/ research… And we’re the only school on the left coast with ability to win a natty outside of SC
I agree with everything you said, until your last statement. Oregon has a better chance at winning a national title than Washington. The only reason why I say that is because they are recruiting much better than Washington, and has been for some time. I think Oregon has played in two championship games in the last 12 years? Anyway, I think Washington has the upper hand over Oregon, except for the recruiting. That can change though in a hurry if they get a B1G invite and Oregon doesn’t. Personally, I think they both will an invite eventually. Washington has everything going for them, and they check every box that the B1G is looking for.
@@jimedick9496 About the recruiting, you’re right. But Oregon has never done it, UW has. Also, Oregon has one mega donor who is 85. Remember Oregon was nothing for a 100+ years, until their one mega donor decided he liked football… my point, what happens when he dies?? Do they have staying power? I guess we’ll see
@@ryanburns9127 From everything I’ve heard, he has no heir, so his fortune will go to Oregon. I’m only speaking from a reality stand point. Oregon has had very good success in the last 23 years. In 2001, they should’ve played for their third national title game, since they were the 2nd ranked team. Instead of playing Miami, the BCS computers put them at 4th and they played 3rd ranked Colorado, which they demolished in the Fiesta Bowl. In todays world of, “what have you done for me lately?” Oregon has done more than Washington has. That’s the reality. Now, Washington still holds the cards. They’ve got the Seattle tv market, and it’s growing. They have a great fan base. Seattle loves the Huskies as much as the Seahawks. That’s rare, most cities are NFL only. UW academics are phenomenal. They are one of the few teams that have actually made it to the playoffs. I think Washington has been somewhat of a sleeping giant that is starting to wake up. Hiring DeBoer was just the key to get things going in there right direction. I’m just not going to down play Oregon. They’ve proven to win regardless of who’s coaching. Not including Lanning, 4 out of their last 5 coaches have all finished a season as the 2nd ranked team in the nation. Lannings first season was a 10 win season. So I just don’t think Oregon is going anywhere. The foundation has been set with all their facilities and uniforms. Recruits still love the flash, and Oregon will always be Nike’s University, even after Knight will have pass. It’s why they have been recruiting so well, and realistically, will continue to do. If Washington can catch up to Oregons recruiting, look out. DeBoer has proven to do more with less. He’s been a thorn in BSU’s side for awhile now. I like to see all the PNW teams succeed. I’m a BSU fan, but I’m a fan of WAZZU, OSU, UDub, and Oregon as well. This past year was great seeing all five teams succeed. Personally, I hope to see that continue.
Adding SDSU is not a bad sign, Pac is regaining a foot hold in SOCAL which is critical for recruiting. A bad sign would be an addition of Colorado St, Tulane, Boise State or Fresno St.
@@machtschnell7452 Correct. I'm saying that if Pac invites all four, or a combo of the four schools its a bad sign. Pac would be backfilling additional defections.
Fresno State beats SDSU every year. Mountain West Champions. Let’s be real, if Fresno was is Southern California, they would be the team to steal. Same with Boise.
The Big 12 has way more money than you think it does.Oil Money, Cattle Money, Hog Money, Corn, Wheat and Soybean money, Trucking money, Rail Money, etc. Even Entertainment interests, though that hurts California. All from donors with Billions.
@@trad_catholic On February 23, Warner/Discovery announced that neither TNT or TBS were going to be interested in covering PAC 10 games, on the same day CBS said it would not either. I think this is just Utah Message Board rumors, every D1 University has a message board or two. Kansas is persisting inthe rumor started on its message board that it will get an invite from the SEC any day now. That will NEVER happen. It's just trash talk started on these fan boards to promote response.
1. i’m so sorry your remote button stopped working. i’m blessed that mine works and i can watch the games i want and tune out the others. 2. bowl games are very important as they allow for extra practices which is great for incoming freshman or returning player. why should only a few teams and the best be allowed extra practices? 3. not every player goes pro and not every team has a realistic shot at being champions. what is wrong with rewarding a good session by allowing them to go to warm weather location and play for bragging rights while collecting some swag? 4. why punish cities like memphis or el paso who can host a bowl game but never playoffs or championships? i try to attend a local bowl game every year and see as many different trans as possible
@@ryanbrooks-tb4fl they can host a conference championship game in there city if they can get there 🤔 but you right bowl games are practice games, so there is really no point to keep those if they cutt out conference championship game since those matter more, especially with the extended playoffs where they have it set for conference champions to get a spot 🤷🏾♂️
Adding Big East programs would help grow the Big 12’s footprint & fanbase. UConn also has a great women’s program that draws very well. UConn also has a football 🏈 team that won a conference championship in tge Big East. Villanova not only has a big fanbase in metro Philadelphia, they also have a football 🏈 program that’s been very successful in FCS and could potentially move to Big 12 with the right investment. St. John’s & Seton Hall are smart adds, those two plus UConn gives Big12 a solid footprint in NYC. Villanova puts B12 in Philly, Marquette puts Big 12 in Wisconsin, Big 12 could also add East Carolina (big football fanbase). Then it should look West to add Boise St & Fresno State, two of the best football programs in the West, those 2 plus BYU gives Big 12 a solid footprint in the West, plus it gets Big12 up to 20 teams for Hoops along with 4 more for football (UConn, ECU, Boise & Fresno) or 16
I think Fresno with all of the self promoted rumors has shot it's entrance to the Big 12, it is a G5, MWC school which talks big but carries little heft. Boise also would do little to help us. ECU would do better with the ACC. UConn I can see as an acceptable add. It is the big Dog in the New England region, would be helped with their Football by a Big 12 membership and is great guns in Basketball perennially. I am not so certain that adding Basketball only affiliates would help our conference in the long run, though Gonzaga may or may not prove to be a great add. They are a perennial Basketball powerhouse on the West Coast. Adding Big East Teams may or may not be wise. We do both money sports in this conference, and will likely continue to do so. The fate of the old Big East keeps dogging my memory.
More speculation and tomorrow be same and the next day etc etc
Now you’re getting it!!!
@@GoldBlueDude And you will keep this podcast.
@@vernonsheldon-witter1225 as long as y’all don’t get sick of me 👍
USC Wont allow Oregon to join Big 10
Big 10 looking at Washington and possibly Stanford.
Sec proposed 9 game conf slate.
So XII get WSU/UO/CU/UA?
Substitute ASU for WSU
@@davidbrown386 I like ASU, it's a better football program and it's possible UA won't go without ASU, but adding ASU over WSU would make as much sense as the B1G adding ISU so they can have the "whole" Iowa market. I would love it, but I'm not holding my breath for it to happen.
Time will tell what they decide is best.
It is very possible, if it were to come up for a vote that the Big 10 Presidents/Chancellors may not allow a vote from USC and UCLA. The defection date is August 2, 2024. If it is true that they are primed to move after a new Commish gets hired after April of this year, there will be a widow where they will still technically be in the PAC. And will they allow them to accession to voting membership immediately?
Why would USC care about Oregon?
Oregon and Washington should go independent and take the ESPN deal and split the $90 million and rotate who is on ESPN and ESPN + each week. $45 million a year is way more than they would make staying in the PAC12. They could do this until they get an invite from the BIG10 in 3 to 5 years.
😂 ESPN will not fork out that much just for Oregon & Washington. They are not a national powerhouse team. I can’t recall the last time these two teams actually won a national championship in the last 20 years or consecutive bowl appearances & wins.
What are you smoking?
That's not going to happen ESPN is not offering them that kind money for those to schools
I don't see the National Fanbase necessary for a successful transition to Indy status as being possible by either.
As a die hard UW fan, this is insane… I wish we had that kinda pull… we don’t
somewhat feels like conferences are not really necessary anymore because they have too many teams to have a balanced schedule, rivalries don't matter much, and geography means next to nothing
Don’t agree new college football playoffs conference state conference champion get in. It’s why ND will never have first round bye or play home game. Conference champion is a big focus
A cross no doubt UND will have to bear as long as time lasts. They won't give up their football independence, and why should they? With a Nationwide fanbase, UND, like Army can support it. BYU could have done it but they preferred joining a conference.
Championship games are money makers.
Yes baby!
Extension? for what? That just temporarily kicks the can down the road, and for what? The end game is the same. No agreement worth a vote, and UW and Oregon are out of there as fast as possible.
Kliavkoff just trying to get the next month's paycheck. The B12 saw this for a decade with Bowlshitsby.
They are going to add teams because at least 4-6 teams have already rented a Uhaul. Lol
Word has it the PAC has come to a deal & it sounds like they will stay together.
Word has it huh...? Whose word? Troll
You tubers like this had the PAC12 and ACC DEAD . I guess it is their sources? Anyway PAC 12 will survive as will the ACC no matter who leaves? B12 only one that will crumble if a few leave and not necessarily any brands but again they have no brand national only regional teams. No P5 school will join the B12 for FB unless it is tied to BB.
Personally, I hope you’re correct. I’m also hoping BSU gets an invite to the Big12. I know it won’t taken, but I’m still holding out for hope. I like the blue collar teams in the Big12.
@@pitchshot2868 But will they?
@@vernonsheldon-witter1225 Good Question? Don’t know ?
SDSU can replace AZ when they move to the B12. Perfect.
Sure Jan.
If the Pac 12 would add teams from central time zone , about half of their games would be played during prime time in three time zones. Exposure is the name of the game.
Wisdom, Preach. How in the world did the Pac12 think thst not inviting Kansas (a hoops blue blood that’s also in a major market, KC) & Tx Tech which would finally get them into Tx was a wise idea. No power 5 team is leaving any conference to join the P12 unless their conference is picked apart.
PAC 12 will need to invite the best of the Gang of 5 non power programs. SD St for sure, SMU gives them a slice of Dallas, Memphis a good footprint in Tn Ms & Arky. Northern Illinois will soon have a 61K seat stadium to play in downtown Chicago which more than likely will have a dome. NIU in past 12 years has beat BYU, Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Northwestern, Purdue & GaTech. This fall NIU plays Boston College & Nebraska. Winnable games. NIU would give Pac12 a slice of Chicago
The only teams academically and athletically suited for CST addition would be SMU (which draws very poorly within their own Metro) or Tulane which does better but is still a smaller fanbase. Both are small private schools.
@@onlinepole you are saying what I have been thinking for the last couple months. Glad we agree now if only the powers that be would think outside the box. They might survive.
And I've always felt the Pac after dark was unnecessary. The games come on too late for anyone east of the mountain time zone (majority of the population) to care about.
@@onlinepole We would have turned them down flat. Tech would have turned them down flat. They have an axe to grind since they petitioned the PAC to take in: TTU,OSU and TCU. when Texas and Oklahoma defected. Poor George could have avoided this but was too filled with fake pride and academania. Kansas had the academics and the eyeballs they needed, but would not even consider it. None of the Old Big 8/12 teams except Colorado in 2010 went, so we had no axe to grind because we were smarter and took a longer view.
don't think it's a good sign or a bad sign but just a situational move based on geography and the decision was made now due to the already positive press for San Diego State
It was definitely the right move for both the PAC and San Diego State but could also be a sign that the PAC is about to lose members. We’ll find out eventually 🤷♂️
@@GoldBlueDude I think that is the most likely reason.
Great News for the P12, not good for San Diego State, when Washington, Stanford, Oregon, and Cal leave for the BIG 10, Then Colorado, Arizona and possibly ASU and Utah leave for BIG12!
Pac 12 adding more schools reduces revenue for each school.
Not if they are P5 teams from PAC 10.
Almost any conference adding schools reduces revenue until they go on payment for performance.
If SDSU gets invited or joins the Pac 12 as it crashes and burns, does that elevate them to Power status and pro rata if the Big 12 adds them to Gonzaga and the Pac 12 schools it scoops up?
No. The rest of the cost would have to be paid by the Big 12 if we would take them, which we will not. Gonzaga is worth more, frankly.
With SDST success in the NCAA tournament & it made it to the Final Four, they are holding off on the announcement to join the the PAC12. If they go all the way & win the tournament, it would give them national recognition & leverage for the PAC12 to negotiate their TV deal. By mid April we will see a more clear picture of the PAC12 deal & expansion.
One year's Final 4 does not necessarily give SDSU a long term boost in Basketball.
@@vernonsheldon-witter1225 Blue Blood status!!😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@vernonsheldon-witter1225 what if they win the whole damn thing?
@@GoldBlueDude Yes dude, Bluebloods. You know the 4 universities which have sustained the most amount of success for the longest period of time without major interruption. Kentucky, Kansas, UNC and Duke. They are a reality in the game of Basketball. Never heard of us? You know I am surprised at you.
@@JoeBurke304 Think maybe UConn will have a piece of this years trophy. This is a year like none we have seen since 2007. and what if SDSU-fails. As I can see this is your very first Final 4. You don't really know how pressured itis going to get for San Diego State. For my Alma Mater, last year was our 6th National Championship, our 16th Final 4, our 23 Elite 8. I could go on but why?
SDSU to the PAC 12 so that they get back their tether to SoCal. Fresno St so that the Big 12 gets a foothold in Central California
Few recruits in the central valley. Lots in LA.
@@machtschnell7452 It is what it is
@@machtschnell7452 lol I live in the Central Valley. That is not true.
The Big Dog in California recruitment is the LA Basin. Likely as not, the fanbases of USC/UCLA will endure there.
Big Ten is not making moves on the Pac 12 until The Big 12 make their move first unless they want to stare down a barrel of an antitrust suit.
What are the grounds for antitrust?
@@tarheel7406 it does not matter. The B1G does not want any more PAC teams despite the delusions of some. They did not want the PAC teams a few months ago when Commr Warren was pushing for it big time. Nothing has helped the financial issues to the B1G of taking teams that are not worth much according to the offers to the PAC.
@@tarheel7406 Too many Universities and too much dominance will get you looked into.
@@observer46-vh5bm "The B1G does not want any more PAC teams despite the delusions of some."
I maintain that the B1G will only consider more PAC after the ACC/ND situation is resolved, but I'm curious as to the original antitrust claim.
@@vernonsheldon-witter1225 "Too many Universities and too much dominance will get you looked into."
The why not similar concerns for the BIG12 as GBD and related fans discuss apparently going to 36+ teams? There are boo coos of sports entertainment alternatives and these aren't professional leagues. The BIG8 killed the SWC by taking 4 in one pop, the ACC and SEC took 4+ from competing conferences.
"Antitrust" is just the PAC's version of WVU's "extended runway".
If the Big 10 takes Oregon and Washington then even if some fraction of the 4 Corner Schools go to the Big 12 , how could the PAC 12 hold on to their Power 5 status no matter who joins them????
This may not be possible, especially with the universities available to them.
You’re assuming the Four corner schools will leave. All depends on the TV deal, they’ve signed. If they get the same amount of total revenue even if Or & Wa leave, than their per team cut just increased. SDST gets them back a slice of So Cal, SMU gets them a slice of Dallas, Memphis would get them parts of Tn, Ark & Ms. Northern Illinois gets them a slice of Metro Chicago. Memphis is expanding their stadium and NIU will have 61.5K seat Soldier Field when the Bears leave in 7 years
@@onlinepole time will tell won’t it?
@@onlinepole They are worth about zero to the PAC. SMU gets you nothing in Texas except a lot of rich North Dallas money, no audience and no recruitment. Memphis gets you one of the most violent cities in the US, voted most likely large City to get murdered in, UNI will never leave the MAC for anyplace but the Big 10 and it won't happen, and the City of Chicago will tear down Soldier Field except for the Colonnade. They do this with old buildings they don't want anymore. It will end up a park.
Both Presidents of Arizona and Arizona State have publicly stated that the schools are tied together. They will both either stay PAC12 or go to Big12.
ASU perspective. The only 2 schools that matter to the fan base and alumni are USC and Arizona. They are already losing the Trojans they cannot afford to lose the Wildcats
That's crazy man!
This comment isn't just directed as U.A. & ASU. This can apply to any pairing of major state schools. UW, WSU, UO, OSU. Publicly they need to put on a united front and say we are tied together. If the school is being offered status in one of the "super conferences" or a major conference upgrade with huge revenue increases they will jump at it.
The whole idea that schools are locked to each other because they are from the same state or same state system went out the window with the UCLA and UC Berkley situation. The one state school that gets the huge revenue increase maybe forced to share it with their partner school say if Washington does get a Big10 invite, they may have to share with WSU or same with Oregon potentially having to share with OSU.
@@williamdiehl117 Oh I agree with you. Their point was they will stick together as long as physically possible. (aka ASU will do what UA does.). As an ASU fan I respect the leadership of Robbins from Arizona. ASU’s “leadership” is lacking with Crow. He was a Larry Scott apologist and seems to care more about the limousine liberal PAC crowd versus what’s best for our athletic program moving forward. If UA jumps, he’d jump. If UA stays, he stays.
@@williamdiehl117 That is why Universities keep teams of Lawyers on retainer. Simply the bad press of being sued by your State University might well be enough to get a split, similar to that found in Oklahoma, Iowa, Texas, Georgia, Florida, South Carolina, Colorado, New Mexico, Pennsylvania, etc.
SDSU has notbeen offerd by eh Pac 12. Also, there is no talks between the big 12 and San Diego State at all nonsense.I am an alum and a pretty big donor. Just not true
With the expanded playoff, conference championship games are not as interesting and can hurt the conference getting in more teams in the playoffs. Nobody cares about SDSU or Fresno, only a desperate PAC12 would consider them.
If GK does not deliver, and there are defections within the PAC, I don't see any way to avoid it.
Don’t be surprised if B12 offers Fresno, string football 🏈 program with a loyal fanbase
@@onlinepole Fresno can go pound sand. None of our Presidents would ever agree to it. They are in California and we are tired of being put down by fakes. Fresno to the Big 12 is a lie purported by proponents of a new Stadium that has not been ab le to pass. We have all seen it, You will see the Second Coming first.
I don't think conference championship games going away. Too much money involved.
I posted the same thing before I read your post! 🙂
San Diego State will change their mind like Arizona State and Utah
Who really knows?
They should. I'm an alumni and I think they need to join the Big 12!
@@JoeBurke304 Think that would be up to us as we would end up paying your admission.
I think that was fake news of SDSU turning down an invite to the Big 12, even if SDSU goes in the Pac 12, it could be too little too late if most of the current brands leave for the other conferences and the Pac 12 loses its power status.
Yes, let's go!
Agreed, JD Wicker secretly wants the Big 12, he's just posturing at this point.
@@JoeBurke304 If we decided it was worth the extra bucks.
@@vernonsheldon-witter1225 we shall see.
I’m positive Arizona is leaving the PAC-12
Why?
@@SurfCityBill Because they are a Basketball School and want to play in a Basketball heavy Conference.
@@SurfCityBill my nephew is getting recruited by the wildcats I’ll just leave it at that
Video idea: a 10 min clip about how UCF will become the premiere big 12 school in the conference over the next decade. 1. Largest student body 100k including grad and undergrad a year. 2. Largest living alumni base under 30 in the big 12. 3. Currently has a previous national championship winning coach. 4. Full athletic support from the university. 5. The only school in Florida in the big 12. No fights over recruits from other schools in the conference and already flipping recruits from the likes of Bama, UF, Auburn etc. sky is the limit. Ill let you take it from there my dude.
We will see, won't we. I don't see them in our conference for very long. We don't do Southern well, but are taking a chance.
i think all the teams should stay where there at and make the play off fair everybody and just not only for Alabama it same like Alabama goes in the playoffs if they deserve it or not think make the playoffs to the best two teams out of each conference and let them go head-to-head until it's two teams playing for the championship
no; the conference champions are the 4 teams that will get a bye. If you win your conference championship you get a bye, that's the incentive to win the game. And, even if you don't win it all, you can say we won our conference championship last year.
8 Conference games is garbage. Their 4 OOC games are money/cupcakes 90% of the time.
G&b dude i gotta know what you'd do if you were cfb president for a day. Everything you wanted to happen would happen and nobody could do anything about it. Would you make the p5 conferences based of geography and rivals? No more west coast schools in a midwest conference?
The addition of a much lesser G5 teams to the PAC (SDSU? Fresno? Boise? CSU? etc) does not bode well for the future security of the PAC as a P5 Conference, nor it's future as a major player in Athletics. The possible MWC adds as well as SMU do not provide the same stability or advancement that the entrance of BYU, Cincy, Houston and UCF did for the Big 12. The Big 10 expansion question is also slightly nebulous, and no matter who they get as Commisioner, only the Presidents/Chancellors can make that decision. It is a given that with the vacuum in media contract, Arizona State would be nervous about their future within the PAC and their desire to stay with UA. Lots of questions with no clear answers. Academically, the Big 10 would be more interested inb the addition of Washington, rather than a lower rated Oregon, though it maintains it's necessary AAU membership (from what I hear barely) Utah will have to learn some humility before they join the Big 12. New Affiliates do not need to throw its weight around like Texas, which Utah is definitely not. ASU would be much more a likely add.
Disagree. BYU came from the MW. They were just independent for a while. TCU and Utah were also MW. Look at their success.
@@JoeBurke304 Their success was not completely driven by the MWC.
@@vernonsheldon-witter1225 then how did they get an invite?
@@JoeBurke304 You won your tournament. Your 7th Huzzah. My Alma Mater has won our Tournament 16 times since 1997 when we started them and our Regular Season Championship 63 times, counting the old Big 8..all within my lifetime. And I wasn't talking about SDSU I was talking about BYU and TCU. BYU has been a powerhouse for longer than there was a Mountain West, Longer than there was a WAC and were members of the old RMAC with Colorado, Utah etc from 1918 to 1937 and a member of the Skyline Conference from 1938 to 1962 when the WAC was founded. TCU was a charter member of the Southwest Conference from 1923 to 1994, so if they have had sustained success, they can thank the SWC and Big 12.
. I looked at NCAA records you not only have not been to the final 4, this is the first time you have gotten past the Sweet 16. We have been to the Elite 8 23 times, the Final 4 16 times and came in second 6 times and won it 4 times and won 2 Pre NCAA Nattys. So good luck. You will need it.
@@vernonsheldon-witter1225 I will present you with the facts and nor opinions since now you alluded to SDSU. Since 2005 in college basketball here are the top 5 programs in winning percentage: 1. Gonzaga 530-97, 2. Kansas 537-116 3. Duke 508-131 4. Villanova 461-160 5. San Diego State 454-158. We have been good for a long time and deserve a P5 invite. I will again mention that SDSU also beat Kansas in Lawrence in 2014.
Oregon and Colorado academics may not align with B1G. Yikes!
Ore & Ore St, CO, AZST Wash ST to B12,
AZ, UU, WA, Stan, Cal to B1G with LA schools.
Those two schools think they are alot more valuable than they are your right the rest of America knows the truth like you , not that much value.
I don't even want them in the big 12,way to uppity for normal Americans
The Big 12 may get interested in OSU and WSU, in fact I have always thought they would do well as PST members. BY wants all 4 time zones.
Four Conners should wait to see what Stanford and Cal do. If they leave then the PAC 12 would basically become the MW, so they should go. If they stay then the PAC 12 will still become the MW put they can make research money, because that’s all they care about.
They are getting very tired of waiting to see what Cal and Stanford do in the MST zone. UA,CU and ASU are ready to jump if the deal doesn''t suit them. I work for CU and his is all you hear. Utah is the one exception and nobody wants them. They can play house with Boise, Fresno and SDSU. We got rid of an ill behaved Texas. We aren't going to put up with Utah. The MWC will remain the conference it always was, and always will be but adding the PAC leftovers, Stanford will end up with Washington in the Big 10, and the Big 12 will take the universities that fit in with us. We have the Big Dog (Cougar?)of the old MWC anyway. BYU has the best facilities in the Conference that are not a Pro Venue. Now is everybody happy?
Financially doesn’t make sense to add any more teams at this time for the Big10. Wash and OR don’t bring don’t enough value. based on what has been talked about, the eastern schools don’t want to go all the way to the west coast more than once a year.
Your East Coast Bias is showing
You’re wrong.
Washington does bring value.
Are we bama or Ohio st…. Definitely not.
But, we bring a long and proud CFB tradition, the 12th biggest TV market, good undergrad studies, positively elite post grad studies/ research…
And we’re the only school on the left coast with ability to win a natty outside of SC
I agree with everything you said, until your last statement. Oregon has a better chance at winning a national title than Washington. The only reason why I say that is because they are recruiting much better than Washington, and has been for some time. I think Oregon has played in two championship games in the last 12 years? Anyway, I think Washington has the upper hand over Oregon, except for the recruiting. That can change though in a hurry if they get a B1G invite and Oregon doesn’t. Personally, I think they both will an invite eventually. Washington has everything going for them, and they check every box that the B1G is looking for.
@@jimedick9496
About the recruiting, you’re right.
But Oregon has never done it, UW has.
Also, Oregon has one mega donor who is 85. Remember Oregon was nothing for a 100+ years, until their one mega donor decided he liked football… my point, what happens when he dies??
Do they have staying power?
I guess we’ll see
@@ryanburns9127
From everything I’ve heard, he has no heir, so his fortune will go to Oregon.
I’m only speaking from a reality stand point. Oregon has had very good success in the last 23 years. In 2001, they should’ve played for their third national title game, since they were the 2nd ranked team. Instead of playing Miami, the BCS computers put them at 4th and they played 3rd ranked Colorado, which they demolished in the Fiesta Bowl.
In todays world of, “what have you done for me lately?” Oregon has done more than Washington has. That’s the reality. Now, Washington still holds the cards. They’ve got the Seattle tv market, and it’s growing. They have a great fan base. Seattle loves the Huskies as much as the Seahawks. That’s rare, most cities are NFL only. UW academics are phenomenal. They are one of the few teams that have actually made it to the playoffs. I think Washington has been somewhat of a sleeping giant that is starting to wake up. Hiring DeBoer was just the key to get things going in there right direction.
I’m just not going to down play Oregon. They’ve proven to win regardless of who’s coaching. Not including Lanning, 4 out of their last 5 coaches have all finished a season as the 2nd ranked team in the nation. Lannings first season was a 10 win season. So I just don’t think Oregon is going anywhere. The foundation has been set with all their facilities and uniforms. Recruits still love the flash, and Oregon will always be Nike’s University, even after Knight will have pass. It’s why they have been recruiting so well, and realistically, will continue to do.
If Washington can catch up to Oregons recruiting, look out. DeBoer has proven to do more with less. He’s been a thorn in BSU’s side for awhile now. I like to see all the PNW teams succeed. I’m a BSU fan, but I’m a fan of WAZZU, OSU, UDub, and Oregon as well. This past year was great seeing all five teams succeed. Personally, I hope to see that continue.
Adding SDSU is not a bad sign, Pac is regaining a foot hold in SOCAL which is critical for recruiting. A bad sign would be an addition of Colorado St, Tulane, Boise State or Fresno St.
None of those places really matter in terms of college football TV audiences.
@@machtschnell7452 Correct. I'm saying that if Pac invites all four, or a combo of the four schools its a bad sign. Pac would be backfilling additional defections.
Fresno State beats SDSU every year. Mountain West Champions. Let’s be real, if Fresno was is Southern California, they would be the team to steal. Same with Boise.
Yes, a bad sign for CO State, Tulane, Boise St and Fresno St. Not the Pac
@@SurfCityBill Tulane will not be going in for Transcontinental travel. They are a Southern University.
Bad Move!!! Real Bad Move...where is the money coming from? West Virginia!
The Big 12 has way more money than you think it does.Oil Money, Cattle Money, Hog Money, Corn, Wheat and Soybean money, Trucking money, Rail Money, etc. Even Entertainment interests, though that hurts California. All from donors with Billions.
TNT will be part of tv deal for pac 12
Nope.
If this happens the SPECULATION ZONE is now the Twilight Zone.
Where is this story coming from. Word was TBS Discovery backout awhile back, so why would TNT Discovery get in????
Why?
@@trad_catholic On February 23, Warner/Discovery announced that neither TNT or TBS were going to be interested in covering PAC 10 games, on the same day CBS said it would not either. I think this is just Utah Message Board rumors, every D1 University has a message board or two. Kansas is persisting inthe rumor started on its message board that it will get an invite from the SEC any day now. That will NEVER happen. It's just trash talk started on these fan boards to promote response.
This guy alone is reason enough to stay away from the Big 12
At least make your troll attempts make sense, good gosh!!
@@GoldBlueDude LMAO
Most bowls don't matter, cut all the but the playoffs
Bowls are not so much for relevance but for entertainment.
1. i’m so sorry your remote button stopped working. i’m blessed that mine works and i can watch the games i want and tune out the others.
2. bowl games are very important as they allow for extra practices which is great for incoming freshman or returning player. why should only a few teams and the best be allowed extra practices?
3. not every player goes pro and not every team has a realistic shot at being champions. what is wrong with rewarding a good session by allowing them to go to warm weather location and play for bragging rights while collecting some swag?
4. why punish cities like memphis or el paso who can host a bowl game but never playoffs or championships? i try to attend a local bowl game every year and see as many different trans as possible
@@ryanbrooks-tb4fl they can host a conference championship game in there city if they can get there 🤔 but you right bowl games are practice games, so there is really no point to keep those if they cutt out conference championship game since those matter more, especially with the extended playoffs where they have it set for conference champions to get a spot 🤷🏾♂️
Adding Big East programs would help grow the Big 12’s footprint & fanbase. UConn also has a great women’s program that draws very well. UConn also has a football 🏈 team that won a conference championship in tge Big East. Villanova not only has a big fanbase in metro Philadelphia, they also have a football 🏈 program that’s been very successful in FCS and could potentially move to Big 12 with the right investment. St. John’s & Seton Hall are smart adds, those two plus UConn gives Big12 a solid footprint in NYC. Villanova puts B12 in Philly, Marquette puts Big 12 in Wisconsin, Big 12 could also add East Carolina (big football fanbase). Then it should look West to add Boise St & Fresno State, two of the best football programs in the West, those 2 plus BYU gives Big 12 a solid footprint in the West, plus it gets Big12 up to 20 teams for Hoops along with 4 more for football (UConn, ECU, Boise & Fresno) or 16
I think Fresno with all of the self promoted rumors has shot it's entrance to the Big 12, it is a G5, MWC school which talks big but carries little heft. Boise also would do little to help us. ECU would do better with the ACC. UConn I can see as an acceptable add. It is the big Dog in the New England region, would be helped with their Football by a Big 12 membership and is great guns in Basketball perennially. I am not so certain that adding Basketball only affiliates would help our conference in the long run, though Gonzaga may or may not prove to be a great add. They are a perennial Basketball powerhouse on the West Coast. Adding Big East Teams may or may not be wise. We do both money sports in this conference, and will likely continue to do so. The fate of the old Big East keeps dogging my memory.