I have the Quamar and it's a superb bit of kit especially after my old Rancillo Roccky what an unbelievable differance in the quality of the shots I now pull. I was also looking at the Mazzer Mini Electronic but money talks and in the UK the Quamar is alot cheaper and there was no real benefit in the extra cost
Thanks Marc - that was really helpful and I can now make the final decision ......although I prefer the look of the ECM I prefer the two buttons at the top of the Profitec for single and double plus the PF holder. Will now make my purchase. JB
I use the Quamar grinder. Only trouble I have when I need to adjust grindsize: it takes about 5 hands....2 to keep the grinder in place,1 to unlock the rotation , 2 to try to rotate the top blade. Comments I got was to only rotate DURING grinding to prevent grinding to clough up. When the grinder is cleaned it runs much smoother, but after a few weeks or so it takes again great force to rotate the top blade. Any similar experiences? Thnks Hans
Hi Hans, When making large adjustments to a finer setting it's best to have the grinder running unless you've ground out any remaining beans. Should be able to adjust to a coarser setting without the grinder running. It's not unusual for grind adjustment to become more difficult as coffee and oils accumulate in fine threads of the adjustment mechanism. Depending on how the grinder is used and design of the mechanism it more common on some types of grinders than others. Use wise, if making large size adjustments threads in the fine range are exposed and get gummed up when grinding in a coarse range. Design wise, some grinders to a better job of sealing the grinding chamber to keep coffee and oils out of the adjustment threads. I run into this with grinders like the Mazzer Mini which don't seal the chamber from the threads. They eventually get gummed up and adjustment becomes difficult and jumpy. On the other end are grinders like the Ceado E37. Its adjustment mechanism is well sealed. When cleaning a grinder pay special attention to exposed threads of of adjustment mechanisms. Tiny amounts of coffee dust and oils trapped there will make adjustment difficult. I sometimes use the point of a push pin to get into the grooves of the threads to clean them out. It's time consuming work but helps a lot!
Hi Brett, Thanks for your request. Here's a link to a side by side specification comparison of those grinders: www.wholelattelove.com/product_comparisons/show?products%5B%5D=rocket-espresso-macinatore-fausto-grinder-in-chrome&products%5B%5D=rocket-espresso-macinatore-fausto-grinder-in-black&products%5B%5D=mazzer-mini-electronic-type-a-coffee-grinder&products%5B%5D=profitec-pro-t64-grinder
Hi RS, I have not specifically tested for retention on these grinders. We have tested others. If looking for a "zero retention" grinder check out this video in which we do extensive testing on a number of popular grinders and a few earn the "zero retention" designation: ua-cam.com/video/_5ZnraVs_7M/v-deo.html
I have watched so many of your videos on grinders and have narrowed my choice down to the Profitec T64 and the ECM S-Automatic. Help - am I now making a choice purely on the look of the machine?? I couldn't tell if the portafilter has to be held in place with the ECM. I am UK based but would really, really appreciate your feedback. Thanks.
Hi JB, Thanks for the question and I'm happy to offer advice regardless of location! The portafilter does have to be held in place when using the ECM. The Profitec grinder has a PF hook. Other than that the big difference is the look of course. Also notable is dosing funnel on the T-64 and chute feed on S-Automatic. Other than that the grinders are extremely similar. In case you didn't know ECM/Profitec are sister companies. Both grinders are manufactured in Germany. Here's a link to a side by side spec comraison: www.wholelattelove.com/pages/compare?products=MTU0NTk5ODQ5OTg5OSwxNTQ1OTkxMjkwOTM5 Hope that helps in your decision. Cheers, Marc
The Profitec costs significantly more, but it looks like it's got less features? The burrs are approximately the same size, so why the big price tag difference?
+ascosta Profitec is stepless and has features like the O ring sealing of the burr adjustment threads. The worm gear adjustment on T64 requires more machining. It's a personal choice, but some may prefer the feel of the mechanical buttons on the T64 as opposed to the touchpad of the Quamar. Burrs are about the same size but very different otherwise. Burrs on T64 have 3 levels while the Quamar's have just 2. Hard to quantify if that makes a big difference in the cup but most higher-end grinders use 3 level burrs.
Hi Thomas, these grinders use a threaded adjustment collar for adjusting grind size. When burrs are removed for cleaning the current grind setting is lost. There are grinders that do not lose the grind setting when removing burrs or the burr carrier for cleaning. The Ceado E37s is a good example: www.wholelattelove.com/ceado-e37s-electronic-coffee-grinder
Love the Profitec grinder, but the plastic/nylon sprocket looks cheap. No doubt it will last a lifetime mechanically, but it kind of ruins it for me ;-(
Please do a comparison between the Profitec Pro T64 and the Rocket Fausto!!
I have the Quamar and it's a superb bit of kit especially after my old Rancillo Roccky what an unbelievable differance in the quality of the shots I now pull.
I was also looking at the Mazzer Mini Electronic but money talks and in the UK the Quamar is alot cheaper and there was no real benefit in the extra cost
+Andy bevan Hi Andy, Quamar does offer a lot for the money when compared to some of the other prosumer level grinders!
Thanks Marc - that was really helpful and I can now make the final decision ......although I prefer the look of the ECM I prefer the two buttons at the top of the Profitec for single and double plus the PF holder. Will now make my purchase. JB
You're welcome!
Marc
I use the Quamar grinder. Only trouble I have when I need to adjust grindsize: it takes about 5 hands....2 to keep the grinder in place,1 to unlock the rotation , 2 to try to rotate the top blade. Comments I got was to only rotate DURING grinding to prevent grinding to clough up. When the grinder is cleaned it runs much smoother, but after a few weeks or so it takes again great force to rotate the top blade. Any similar experiences? Thnks Hans
Hi Hans, When making large adjustments to a finer setting it's best to have the grinder running unless you've ground out any remaining beans. Should be able to adjust to a coarser setting without the grinder running. It's not unusual for grind adjustment to become more difficult as coffee and oils accumulate in fine threads of the adjustment mechanism. Depending on how the grinder is used and design of the mechanism it more common on some types of grinders than others. Use wise, if making large size adjustments threads in the fine range are exposed and get gummed up when grinding in a coarse range. Design wise, some grinders to a better job of sealing the grinding chamber to keep coffee and oils out of the adjustment threads. I run into this with grinders like the Mazzer Mini which don't seal the chamber from the threads. They eventually get gummed up and adjustment becomes difficult and jumpy. On the other end are grinders like the Ceado E37. Its adjustment mechanism is well sealed. When cleaning a grinder pay special attention to exposed threads of of adjustment mechanisms. Tiny amounts of coffee dust and oils trapped there will make adjustment difficult. I sometimes use the point of a push pin to get into the grooves of the threads to clean them out. It's time consuming work but helps a lot!
Actually, a comparison between the Profitec Pro T64 vs Rocket Fausto vs Rocket Mazzer Mini Type A would be great!
Hi Brett, Thanks for your request. Here's a link to a side by side specification comparison of those grinders: www.wholelattelove.com/product_comparisons/show?products%5B%5D=rocket-espresso-macinatore-fausto-grinder-in-chrome&products%5B%5D=rocket-espresso-macinatore-fausto-grinder-in-black&products%5B%5D=mazzer-mini-electronic-type-a-coffee-grinder&products%5B%5D=profitec-pro-t64-grinder
@3:07 I can confirm for the Quamar the portafilter holder is not adjustable (as I just found out on my own M80).
would have been nice to look into the chute.. i wanna see the retention of the profitec
Jay Nguyen I'd be interested in knowing what sort of retention to expect on the T64..... Any idea WLL?
would be nice to know more about how much leftover coffee there is after grinding a set dose
Hi RS, I have not specifically tested for retention on these grinders. We have tested others. If looking for a "zero retention" grinder check out this video in which we do extensive testing on a number of popular grinders and a few earn the "zero retention" designation: ua-cam.com/video/_5ZnraVs_7M/v-deo.html
I have watched so many of your videos on grinders and have narrowed my choice down to the Profitec T64 and the ECM S-Automatic. Help - am I now making a choice purely on the look of the machine?? I couldn't tell if the portafilter has to be held in place with the ECM. I am UK based but would really, really appreciate your feedback. Thanks.
Hi JB, Thanks for the question and I'm happy to offer advice regardless of location! The portafilter does have to be held in place when using the ECM. The Profitec grinder has a PF hook. Other than that the big difference is the look of course. Also notable is dosing funnel on the T-64 and chute feed on S-Automatic. Other than that the grinders are extremely similar. In case you didn't know ECM/Profitec are sister companies. Both grinders are manufactured in Germany. Here's a link to a side by side spec comraison: www.wholelattelove.com/pages/compare?products=MTU0NTk5ODQ5OTg5OSwxNTQ1OTkxMjkwOTM5
Hope that helps in your decision.
Cheers,
Marc
The Profitec costs significantly more, but it looks like it's got less features? The burrs are approximately the same size, so why the big price tag difference?
+ascosta Profitec is stepless and has features like the O ring sealing of the burr adjustment threads. The worm gear adjustment on T64 requires more machining. It's a personal choice, but some may prefer the feel of the mechanical buttons on the T64 as opposed to the touchpad of the Quamar. Burrs are about the same size but very different otherwise. Burrs on T64 have 3 levels while the Quamar's have just 2. Hard to quantify if that makes a big difference in the cup but most higher-end grinders use 3 level burrs.
Will you have the same courseness setting after having removed the burrs for cleaning?
Hi Thomas, these grinders use a threaded adjustment collar for adjusting grind size. When burrs are removed for cleaning the current grind setting is lost. There are grinders that do not lose the grind setting when removing burrs or the burr carrier for cleaning. The Ceado E37s is a good example: www.wholelattelove.com/ceado-e37s-electronic-coffee-grinder
Thanks.
nice grinder and machine for home love it
+Kirstijan Peternac We do too!
How long can I expect a grinder like the T64 to last me?
With proper use and care it should go for decades! Burrs will not be due for replacement for at least 750-1000kg of coffee grinding.
Love the Profitec grinder, but the plastic/nylon sprocket looks cheap.
No doubt it will last a lifetime mechanically, but it kind of ruins it for me ;-(
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