The testimonies of Jesus are not actually eyewitness accounts, this isn’t normally taught by the average preacher during his sermons. (If unaware of this I would recommend you to find scholars within the New Testament area.) just the fact that some preachers, missionaries, & any other. who makes the claim that they were in fact “eyewitnesses “, they are in deed with holding information either on purpose or not knowing . The information they are withholding is that the eyewitness accounts were not actually eyewitness’s, rather they were people who claimed to have heard what happened from a eyewitnesses or they head it from someone who wasn’t . So the writers of the four gospels were not the disciples of Jesus nor eyewitness, but four people who make a claim that they heard the story themselves from an actual eyewitness. even worst is the fact that the four gospels are by four Anonymous people & the names we now know today were assigned to the gospels, we still don’t know for sure who wrote them. So to ask someone to trust the gospels you are asking them to trust who ever wrote the gospels, that’s not the same as saying just trust Jesus it’s by theses four people we get our view of Jesus. Now a little about Paul we know he came about 2 years after Jesus so Paul never met Jesus in real life, Paul did claim to have a vision of Jesus but Joseph Smith also made this claim so Paul’s words shouldn’t have been taken seriously. You should also do some checking on Paul to there’s a lot of information on him, as some of the earliest christians thought Paul was the Antichrist so it’s very interesting. christianity has a very complex history that I believe every person who wants to be Christian should know & be taught by the church just to be truthful about it, to me if anyone tried to hide the information above I would believe they are being dishonest. I was Christian till I was 33 but I no longer identify as one, this happened as I was studying trying to know Jesus & the Bible more so my heart was in the heart place but I came across to many problems within the stories for me to trust them.
One of the most inner self, heart felt statements that Pastor Knechtle has ever made-- "And it is absolutely amazing, that I in live a culture, where on a weekly basis, when I speak on University campuses, I have University students telling me, that either Science proves God exists or Science disapproves God's existence. They are so out to lunch sir, it is scary. It shows they don't understand Science. They don't understand Philosophy, they don't understand the question of God. God is not a Scientific question. God is Philosophical, Theological question."
Absolutely, and it all goes right over the student's heads, because a few moments later they go directly back to evolution "creating" morals argument-and THAT is a Religion in itself. Amazing.
😄Not sure if it's just me...but it a bit hilarious to me when asthiests begin to "cry me a river" about God righteously wiping out evil from this earth...and then other cry for different reason, asking "why??? doesn't God get rid of evil from the earth?" 😄 Gotta love em!!!!! Keep sharing the Gospel guys!!!!!
That one and when they are so mad because god killed people in this situation or another. Do they have continued hatred towards the Joker from Batman? No because he is not real. If they truly believe God isn’t real they would dismiss his stories has fictional and move on- like they do about the Joker.
@@freedom4life312 I just see it as that they want to live their own way instead of owning up to their sins to God. It does not matter what logic or evidence you give to an atheist they will deny anything.
This young man is maybe the smartest and most reasonable student that I've heard talking to Cliffe after listening to about 30 of his videos. But the kid is still determined to misunderstand.
That college grad dude just made an error. He says there are people who speaks morally better than Jesus Christ and sited people examples when he admitted has hasn't read the entire bible.
When I was with Pastor Cliffe, a woman I had a conversation with, said she was an Atheist, was raised I think as a RC, I raised the fact that, while she went to school, believing what the professors were teaching from books, but she did not believe the Bible.
@@Brucev7 Hi Bruce, it would depend what subjects the professors were teaching her, many subjects like biology, maths, physics and many others have been tried and tested, and we come up with the same results everytime, they are solid foundations of knowledge. The Bible is anything but. Theology is very dependant on things which cannot be tested.. as I've said many many times.. you can't prove a miracle. Thats interesting that you've met Cliffe, I'd love to have a conversation with him one day.
Subjects that are taught in school are based on observation (the senses) and the mind. God is beyond the mind and the senses and it takes more than observation (senses) and mind to get to have a relationship and experience God. So when Cliffe talks about love, integrity, Faith etc..He is trying to explain to them that science cannot prove these by science because they are not in the Realm of the senses. So, he explains to them that Jesus and the Bible are evidence and that by reading them and put our Faith in Christ (God), them the Holy Spirit will give us revelations. If you truly and honestly want to know the truth and humble Yourself and seek for it, you will find it. It's a heart issue, not just mind
This guy went on and on about science then dives into a long winded unscientific philosophical soliloquy!! He can't see the hypocrisy in his worldview. Truly amazing!! Lol
I think he is discovering what he really does think without his friends there to defame him for it. He is realizing with cliffe that they are apples and oranges and philosophic realism is not explained by disciplines of science as he was taught to expect, as if it were possible.
I love that when Cliff sees the person is not listening or trying to understand he politely stops the dialogue. Why keep talking with them when they're not even trying!!!!!
....watching videos in this channel and hearing the arguments of the students of different universities is like watching horror and sad movies :( But it's also good to know that Atheism is only a temporary condition :)
When he quoto the last sentence that we some how fall in line with the ethics and so nature or evolution choose us to be superior to other living beings BUT he failed to think carefully and say which"WE".. the Good WE or the Bad WE?.... coz those two things are always highly intertwined in the reality...in our so called WE world...
That was a very nice poem. It doesn't make evidence, point to evidence, or validate the naturalist evolutional theory. It only points to the question of "I exist so I was created, but by what?" Again, science can't prove or get at the question of the metaphysical essence of that question. We were created, yes. For what? To love God and love others
@@michaelanthonyortegaherrer348 Correct... The Catholic church is corrupted to the core. They even mention in the catholic catachism that the catholic church has the right to change the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. And the pope is a false prophet.
The fact that we can question our instincts shows we are more than what nature alone otherwise we would be compelled to act on our strongest instincts which we don't we wouldn'tbe able to question them. A man's strongest instinct maybe to have sex with an attractive woman he sees her but he can ignore this instinct and follow his weaker one and leave her alone, evolution doesn't explain this according to evolution the man has to act on his instincts and it's not wrong because he's trying to survive and pass on his gene's. When in reality if a man rapes an atheists wife he won't accept the excuse that evolution determined him to do this and it's not his fault he has no free will and is lead by instincts. . that atheist would demand justice because he believes in a moral law. This ability which sets us apart from the animals... stops "the evolution alone" theory.
I still insist these universities make individuals become dumber every day. I don't know if that young man believes any of the things that come out of his mouth ☹️
I just think even if he had enough personal proof to believe in christ he still wouldn't put his faith in him. These days people just don't want to know God or even care bc they would have to do a full 180 on their lives, people love sinning its just the way it is.
I don't believe in a book that man wrote... (opens and reads from a book he wrote in). Science proves there's no God.. (but science can say we don't know.. It's OK to say we don't know..) but it's a crime to say we do know. This kid is struggling.. He should have stopped when cliffe stumped him with his own Sodom and gamora argument. Or his.. Can't I know about a artist by looking at their work. I wonder what he thinks the artist is trying to say about him, when he looks in a mirror or self reflects?
I think it's clear Cliffe had a way of life, a philosophy, a selling point and something to say. Cliffe is constructive. Whereas the other guy was simply there to be against whatever Cliffe is for, going as far as to turn a blind eye to Islam to praise muhammad so he can slant Jesus. This guy really had nothing to say or be and was only destructive
Jesus being perfect is a stumbling block, but believing that DNA could come from nothing seems plausible. What a load of crap! I find most people don't like God because he chaps their hide. He tells people how they should live and that offends people. "They did not want to retain God in their knowledge" Romans 1:28 - I used to be patient with these people, but their mental gymnastics is starting to drive me nuts. I am sick of it.
I rather people be honest and say what is in their heart - "i dont want God because I'm horny" which I have heard people say. I respect those people more than people who play mind games. They won't be playing these games in Hell.
+newygreek It is them who don't obey and deserve punishment. As a matter of fact we all do but God is too merciful and kind that he was willing to pay the sacrifice.
newygreek "How hard is it to accept a free, undeserved gift from God?" Really, really hard, that's the beauty of Gods grace. By making the path to salvation a narrow one, our journey reveals God through positive and negative experiences, each informing and shaping the other. I have a theory that a relationship with god, ultimately love, cannot be reached without the influence of evil to provide perspective and balance. That's not to say evil is good, it's to say it is necessary. It not only informs us of what's right, but allows human righteousness to prevail. This theory would make the devil just as important on our journey as Jesus because his presence allows us to recognise Christ more easily as our salvation. Like finding an exquisite rose among thorny bushes, it's going to hurt, but it will be worth it. Repent, turn from sin (Satan) and put your faith in Jesus, accept his sacrafice as your salvation and thank him. Most importantly, don't give up, Jesus will never give up on you. I think that feels like a good philosophy for me. God bless you Cliffe, my journey has been eased greatly by your clear and concise words. Peace and the love of Christ to you all. God bless.
Abraham was negotiating with God to not destroy the city of sodom and Gomorrah because his nephew lived there it got to the point where Abraham said will you save the city if there are 10 and God said he wouldn't. thus there were at most 9 righteous people in the city
I am a scientist and I stand behind Jesus and our heavenly father and I am not the only one! Go and watch the panel discussion on life after death done with 50 years of research at UVA. You should be able to find it with UVA panel discussion life after death. These are all scientists men of science not philosophy not of letters but men of science!
That grown boy is creating his own standard of right and wrong . There could be a serious argument that an army of ants work harder and are more united than human beings ever have !!.
2:33 in the background ole boy giving his dame (or friend) a pretzel. LETS GOOOOOOOO. She even made sure to check it "Yes. This pretzel is pretzel." NOM
In reference to Isaac Newton’s book Philosophiae Naturalis Principia Mathematica “The more he he knew of science, the more he thought he was seeing god at work.” “In other words, as science expands, then my worship for God increases.” -Dr John Lennox God also told us to go out a name all the animals so he essentially told us to go out and figure out they way that he coded this place. “Theres another axiom. The honest investigation of the intelligibility of creation will be GOOD.” -Jordan Peterson
At the end the young man stated that ethics is a result of evolution? Well that simply means that we developed a sort of herd morality from animals (most likely chimps and apes). But apes and chimps in their herd that kill and forcefully copulate (rape) are not considered immoral or evil, they would simply be socially inconvenient to the herd, just acting out of fashion; therefore, us, their evolved cousins who rape and kill are just acting out of fashion to the ways of our herd as well!! Thats the best atheistic ethics can deliver! There is no basis for labeling anything evil or immoral, as we are animals as well. The Bible gives a more sound foundation for morality.
I love the way Cliffe debates these kids on a lot of major topics but I have one HUGE disagreement with him on how he goes about trying to bring them to Christ which is one big reason why these kids dont seem to get the need for a saviour & far too often just compare Jesus to other great men in human history. You have to help these college kids understand that they are living in opposition with God because they have broken His law repeatedly & now commands ALL MEN EVERYWHERE to repent(Acts 17:30,31). Christ came to sacrifice himself to save us from the condemnation of the law for all those who believe in him based off of his work on the Cross & not off the fact that he was a historical figure who had an excellent ministry & sinless life that can be verified through the research of the gospels, historical texts & eye witness accounts.
I mean to be fair, he stated that God destroyed Sodom and Gomora because of "gays" and when Cliffe asks on which verse does it say he says "i havent read the bible in a long time". I doubt he even reads it carefully so never mind checking out the Qur An
No you can’t. I’m not even at Cliff’s level biblically or spiritually speaking, and your worldview will get absolutely eviscerated if you bring it anywhere near me. We can “debate” whenever you want. I don’t need any advanced notice or anything else. I’m ready whenever you are. We can even do it Live on my UA-cam channel. Normally, I just talk about the 49ers or sometimes battle rap entertainment. And aside from a short fan-made Niners commercial I posted two weeks ago, I haven’t really been active on that channel all year. But it’s my channel, and I can talk about whatever I want. Let’s see if you have the dignity, integrity, and confidence to defend what you believe and stand on what you said… or are you talking just to try SOUNDING intelligent?
It’s actually laughable to me honestly. The “smartest” people throw out all these lofty words, use a condescending tone, and try to introduce super-scientific terminology while simultaneously either implying or outright saying that the people who believe in God are brainwashed, stupid, or a combination of both. But every single time we debate, they look and sound absolutely retarded in front of everyone. And I always like to make sure it’s streaming Live. LoL! In the beginning of the encounters, the other party starts right out the gate with how intellectual they are, how much schooling/how many degrees they have… 100% of the time. But it doesn’t take long at all… like clockwork, the ad hominem attacks get started where the conversation becomes more about the “believers” than the topics. And since it’s Live, everyone gets to see the folly in real time and there’s no way to weasel out of it. You have my word that this won’t be different. The social media memes from atheist groups and the echo chambers where atheists gather to trade and parrot each other’s talking points do not and cannot help in the lion’s pit. And Googling things like “Bible contradictions” and opening THAT door leads to an uglier death when and because the people behind those websites don’t do their homework… so the people who just repeat it are in even more dangerous water by bringing up scriptures and points that hurt them. But yeah… Just let me know when and where. I can’t promise that you’ll walk away with your faith being placed in Christ afterwards… but I give you my word that ALL of your excuses for rejecting Christ will be exposed and taken away. By the end of it, you’re gonna have to either admit that you had it all wrong and change, or you’ll have to admit that you got it wrong but still want nothing to do with the Bible. Either one is fine with me. But understand that that’s 100% definite. Like I said, I’m not the smartest dude in the world. But 100% of the brilliant people with whom I’ve had the pleasure of having this conversation have ALL walked away with their worldview in shambles. Not because I’m smart… but because I have the easier job. You see, I have the truth on my side. So you’re fighting an uphill battle from the very start by defending a lie. It’s super easy on this side. And if you’re an actual seeker of truth and not debating for debate’s sake, and if your desire is about WHAT’S right instead of WHO is right or BEING right, your life is about to change; I promise you.
@@blacksuburban2410 Talk about a condescending tone. What kind of person tells someone that they couldn't win a debate without ever hearing that person's arguments? A stupid person, that's who. The same kind of moron who think Cliff's arguments can't be eviscerated.
@@responsibleparty Why not refute Kneltche points right here in this chat? What did you disagree with his points? I am curious to know how would you refute him.
Yea,it's amazing how God created us thinking beings, we went to college then arrogantly say"there is no God: God's Word said;Arrogance/Pride goes before destruction. So true.
I like how dude showed up with a paper of questions and statements written by his evolution priest aka professor. Just like the pharisee's sent their disciples to test the Lord Jesus Christ. So embarrassing
How are all these college kids so well educated yet have such a small understanding of the obvious. Even when you spell it pit for them. And the kid wants to discount the bible, with all its overwhelming evidence and read his asinine notebook as if its more valid and is backed by more solid evidence lol. God bless em 🙏
Don't confuse politeness, patience, and willingness to hear him out with out interupting, in Cliff as being "Shut up". Hope you noticed all videos of his are appox. 28 minutes long, it just simply ended there. I am quite sure there was a response.
Did that guy just say at 18:50-56 that Gandhi and Muhammad are like Jesus Christ? Unbelievable! How ignorant do you have to be about Muhammad to utter nonsense like that. Unreal.
Well I hope he doesn't actually believe what he said at 20:50. "you can't be convicted by eyewitness testimony alone?" My father was a criminal defense attorney in California for 35 years, and I can guarantee this kid that he can and would be convicted by eyewitness testimony alone. Meaning no physical or forensic evidence. If he did this in Texas, and more than one person witnessed the murder. Not only would he be convicted, he would also be in the express line for the gas chamber.
You can't think of cities and towns the way you think of them today. In the Old testament in the Bible in general these cities were extremely small areas of people extremely small.
Exactly !!! They were basically small villages tbh… people these days thing the cities were inhabited by hundreds and thousands when really it was a small population
Cliffe talks about the fine tuning of the universe , but in reality, we humans have only been on this planet for a fraction of it's existence, if you go back to our early ancestors they had to struggle to survive in a very harsh environment. It was mankind's ability to make tools and weapons which gave us that edge over other animals and our brain capacity which helped us survive. There is little evidence that this planet was fine tuned specifically for us, rather, it was our ability to adapt to it's harsh conditions which helped make us who we are today.
Which makes sense if you consider that the Word of God tells us that Adam and Eve after their disobedience was cast out of Eden (a perfect environment) and put here, in a harsh environment where God explained the hardships they would have to endure and what to do to survive.
AquarianValkari I think the Garden of Eden story was exactly that, a story, there is no basis for fact.. and there are quite a few questions which crop up when you read the story in Genesis. Here's one which puzzles me, when God banishes Adam and Eve for disobeying him regarding taking the fruit from the tree of knowledge, he places an angel and a flaming sword at the gate to prevent them returning. Why didn't God place the angel and the flaming sword around the tree of knowledge to prevent them from getting near it if he was so concerned about it. He does the exact opposite in fact, he places a serpent which even the bible states is 'more subtle than any other beast', so God knew full well Eve would be deceived by this deceitful talking snake. It's a little like placing a hand grenade in a room full of 3 year old children, and telling them not to pull the pin... then putting a man in the room telling the 3 year old it's ok to pull the pin. What do you think is going to happen?
José Fabres Absolutely correct Jose, human beings have honed their skills to survive over hundreds of thousands of years. One of our best tools has been our ability to think and reason, and our ability to make tools out of wood and stone ( flints in particular), when mankind learned how to make fire this gave us a massive advantage over all other animals, it was used to scare off predators and obviously to keep us warm.
15:42 that guy is willfully ignorant. "I can't believe a large group of people will do harm to another large group of people." Wow. Intellectually dishonest.
Ok I don't like the idea of making fun of people for their arguments, but wow that ignorance in saying Gandhi and Muhammed were sinless is incredible. Gandhi's openness about his racism, Muhammed's last 9 years being extraordinarily violent, especially in teaching for slaughter of Jews and Christians for not accepting the Quran... they don't claim sinlessness and we see sin in their life by looking at history
I've just been admiring that interracial couple in some of these Cliff's videos. Here they were holding hands almost throughout this video. I hope they eventually took their relationship to the next level. 😄😍
In the beginning God is a very reasonable answer. Many many people find God when they seek Him because He is not far from us. A great intelligent cause is reasonably and more probably the source for an intelligent answer.
Its a pity there's such a lot of negative comments about this guy. Ken tried his best and spoke like we should as Christians and there are things we can never do but through the Holy Spirit and our love of people all things are possible.They were fair enough questions, and I could see where he was coming from. I am sure this is why Jesus went and spoke to the rich young ruler late at night to tell him the truth all this was done with an eternal love and in a loving kindness for him.I liked the way Ken ended the discussion and the guy also..They agreed to disagree. I pray that he will think on these things they discussed and test God and his word.
How can you say at 11:30 that science can prove or disprove is baloney? Science has proven that there is a God and history, archeology backs it up. It's scientifically impossible for there not to be a God. Miracles that the lord Jesus did still happens today through his Holy Spirit.
My goodness, the preacher is a bully. He is a liar. Jesus did say "blindly believe" to doubting Thomas "blessed is he who does not see yet still believes" If he reads only PARTS of the bible, it is a cherrypicking. He does not listen to the students points but only gathers ammunition to refute his position. This is polemics and not education.
That doesn't sound like blind faith to me. I believe that my wife is faithful to me every second of every day. I can't observe her every second but I still believe. If I could somehow observe her every second I would believe. I don't observe her every second yet I believe. This doesn't make me blind
You said that Jesus said to "blindly believe" and then you go on to quote Jesus NOT saying to "blindly believe". Yes, he says that those who "believe without seeing are blessed" but he does not go on to say "therefore, you must blindly believe". In fact, he provides Thomas with the evidence. The Bible tells us to not only examine our fellow man but to even examine ourselves to ensure that there is no hypocrisy or deception within us. Have you never heard the scripture "Be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear."? (1 Peter 3:15). If we were truly called to blindly believe then we would not have a reason for the hope that is in us. Having a reason for something and given that reason as an answer is akin to providing evidence. We are called to be skeptical. If you have never read the Bible in its full context please don't quote from it because it makes you look ignorant.
@@shameisnotwelcomehere3069 You are accurate when you suggest the bible says to believe and also to test things. I notice these contradictions also. I am correct too when the bible says to blindly believe "blessed is he who does NOT see yet still believes" Sometimes when I point this out, people ban me from quoting the Bible.. I will quote the Bible if I like, and it is not yours to ban from me. Shame on you,
@@martinlag1 i think that quote from Bible has an intention of saying that even though you cant see something, does not mean it doesnt exist. And that faith comes to play when we are talking about believing in something that is untangible (non materialistic things). When we believe God eventho we cant see him visually, it means we have strong convictions as well as faith and God appreciates that. Also faith (at least on my definition as well as Cliff's) isnt believing blindly, which is contrary to a lot of people's beliefs. Faith is believing in something that has evidence it exists as well as value.
@@JoeMama-sd2kl There are two definitions of faith being used and this is misleading. In my opinion, when Thomas touches the wounds of Jesus, he no longer needs faith because he has evidence. It seems to me that if you have evidence, you do not need faith. The definition used by you (''Faith is believing in something that has evidence'') and Cliff, and many Christians, is cheeky in my opinion. I guess my view is that faith is blind, technically. Now, in the real world, we assess claims based on a combination of faith (without evidence) and evidence (by seeing). You use both methods, which is fair enough, but to call it all faith, is not.
He said Jesus didn't say to blindly put faith in Him but he most certainly did. Just take Thomas, He said to Thomas "blessed are those who believe without seeing", ie faith! The biblical Definiton of faith translates it as the assurance of things hoped and the EVIDENCE of things NOT seen! No, we don't need to see the holes in His HANDS or see the future in Heaven, nor see the tomb where He laid but we believe because God has drawn us to Him and this revelation saves us as we put our faith in the One He has raised from the dead and lives in Heaven on the right side of the Father. John 20: 25 ...But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe. John 20: 29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. When you preach about evidence you take away from God being the deciding factor of your belief. John 6:44 King James Version 44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Proof through Prophesy: The Bible, inspired by your Creator - God - to be pinned by various men whom acknowledge HIM, has proof. How could a man provide an event to take place 700 yrs in advance with great detail? For example: Micah 5:2 proclaimed and Mathew 2:1-6 is the historical proclamation of the event physically, actual and truly take place. Even the "World" believed and took physical action for and against the event. This is only one of Hundreds of His provided prophesies through one of HIS chosen that have already been fulfilled. That is sound evidence that HE, Jehovah, exist.
Exactly Without prophecies the Bible would just be a book. Just look at the prophetic things that are happening in Jerusalem over the last few years. Not to mention the return to the holy land which was prophesies thousands of years earlier.
Cliffe at 2:00: "Christ did not say blindly believe. Christ said use your mind, use your critical thinking." Where does Jesus say anything remotely like that? Instead, we read Bible verses like Proverb 3:5: "Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding." Jesus does talk about not being deceived by false prophets in the end times in Matthew 24:24. And then ironically, he then makes a false prophecy about the end times 10 verses later: "Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened." That generation did pass, and those things did not happen. So I'm going to use my critical thinking to conclude that Jesus was a false prophet. Is that the Christian thing to do?
The word "generation" in Matthew 24:34 is not referring to a generation defined according to an age or a person, like the generations mentioned in 1:17; it refers to a generation defined by the moral condition of the people, like the generations mentioned in Matthew 11:16; 12:39, 41-42, 45; and in Proverbs 30:11-14. Source of info is from footnote 34(1) from Matt 24:34 in the Recovery Version of the New Testament. :)
Anyone else here notice that he was trying to claim that weve evolved with compaision and thats how weve thrived if your gonna claim evolution as an origin atleast be honest that if we are simply a product of evolution its becuase weve inveted more ways to take a life than save one (i dont believe in macro evolution )
These kids are scary and lost! Most of these kids were raised Christian and they hit the University and some professors are unbelievably wrong and so liberal that they turn these kids away from Jesus and God!
Paul professing to be wise became that fool and will reap what he sows. Reality has no bearing on what a finite human being thinks is real and his inability to understand what transcends the human mind such as logic, reason, morality, laws of nature, etc., will be the reason he will be separated from the Creator who established these things. His name is Jesus. 16 "For BY Him ALL THINGS were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, VISIBLE and INVISIBLE, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. ALL THINGS were created THROUGH Him and FOR Him." Colossians 1:16
Sodom and Gomorrah was a city that was filled with great evil. Abraham found it just as difficult as you also see it but God showed him that it was that wicked. The account of Lot going into that city showered how messed up it really was. God sent two angels to search for those worthy of saving before its destruction. Who did they find, no one. Why would Lot take two random strangers in their home? Because he protected them from what he knew was out there which was the devious and wicked people in that city.
People sometimes people error, science and God are not enemies, what happens is these professors start out with no God, that is and will be the problem.
You got it backwords. Disbelief is the default, not belief. You do this with every other religious claim. You didnt believe them all at one point right? You've always disbelieved them because Youre not convinced.
God created by His Word, things Einstein spent his whole life trying to figure out. Jesus is Gods Word made flesh. If you cannot grasp this, then all the science experiments won't prove Gods reality to you. And yet a child can understand it. God Is triune. Like you are body, soul, and spirit. Why make it so difficult?
These people most of them are really just ignorant. This guy so many of the things he said are this absolutely not true first he has a very tainted view in an uneducated view of God in the Bible. Then he’s saying that I witnessed testimony is allowed in a quarter-law. I don’t know how Cliff can keep it calm especially because he’s heard the same things over and over and over.
Enjoyed watching you until this video.. Science through archaeology DOES in fact prove God exists and even more so proves the Bible correct.. I challenge ANYONE to show where science, Archaeology or Astronomy proves anything incorrect inside the Bible
Fair point!! The fact is that “Science” is just a word an adjective to describe the (methodological approach) found in all subjects such as mathematics, philosophy, logic, history, sociology, linguistics and aspects of theology, archeology, psychology and neurology such as hermeneutics not to mention geology etc. The “natural sciences” merits no monopoly on knowledge and meaning. Which is why there are an array of different “scientific” techniques (methodological approaches) for accessing knowledge and meaning such as analytical philosophy, modal logic, history, archeology, geology, mathematics and linguistics not to mention historical hermeneutics etc that undergird the historical sciences.
Funny how His list of all the great things Evolution has supposedly given us, failed to list all the atrocities committed ……hmmm, guess he just simply ignores all that UNFREEKNBULEEVABL
I'm amazed that a young man can be so smart and so wrong at the same time. I do wish him well.
Well said Molly 👏
He is worldly smart which is foolishness to God.
Let me be poor in spirit
Knowing information doesn't make a smart. He's trying to be smarter than he really is. He will grow up and wise up
its amazing how he refutes eye witness testimony about Christ but then believes that we came from neanthertoawls which have no eye witness testimony.
You noticed that too!
Correct my friend, God bless
selective skepticism, very common. The issue was never on science, or faith, or whatever.
The testimonies of Jesus are not actually eyewitness accounts, this isn’t normally taught by the average preacher during his sermons. (If unaware of this I would recommend you to find scholars within the New Testament area.) just the fact that some preachers, missionaries, & any other. who makes the claim that they were in fact “eyewitnesses “, they are in deed with holding information either on purpose or not knowing . The information they are withholding is that the eyewitness accounts were not actually eyewitness’s, rather they were people who claimed to have heard what happened from a eyewitnesses or they head it from someone who wasn’t . So the writers of the four gospels were not the disciples of Jesus nor eyewitness, but four people who make a claim that they heard the story themselves from an actual eyewitness. even worst is the fact that the four gospels are by four Anonymous people & the names we now know today were assigned to the gospels, we still don’t know for sure who wrote them. So to ask someone to trust the gospels you are asking them to trust who ever wrote the gospels, that’s not the same as saying just trust Jesus it’s by theses four people we get our view of Jesus. Now a little about Paul we know he came about 2 years after Jesus so Paul never met Jesus in real life, Paul did claim to have a vision of Jesus but Joseph Smith also made this claim so Paul’s words shouldn’t have been taken seriously. You should also do some checking on Paul to there’s a lot of information on him, as some of the earliest christians thought Paul was the Antichrist so it’s very interesting. christianity has a very complex history that I believe every person who wants to be Christian should know & be taught by the church just to be truthful about it, to me if anyone tried to hide the information above I would believe they are being dishonest. I was Christian till I was 33 but I no longer identify as one, this happened as I was studying trying to know Jesus & the Bible more so my heart was in the heart place but I came across to many problems within the stories for me to trust them.
@@_the_watcher_2089 Source?
One of the most inner self, heart felt statements that Pastor Knechtle has ever made--
"And it is absolutely amazing, that I in live a culture, where on a weekly basis, when I speak on University campuses, I have University students telling me, that either Science proves God exists or Science disapproves God's existence.
They are so out to lunch sir, it is scary.
It shows they don't understand Science. They don't understand Philosophy, they don't understand the question of God.
God is not a Scientific question. God is Philosophical, Theological question."
Absolutely, and it all goes right over the student's heads, because a few moments later they go directly back to evolution "creating" morals argument-and THAT is a Religion in itself. Amazing.
😄Not sure if it's just me...but it a bit hilarious to me when asthiests begin to "cry me a river" about God righteously wiping out evil from this earth...and then other cry for different reason, asking "why??? doesn't God get rid of evil from the earth?" 😄 Gotta love em!!!!! Keep sharing the Gospel guys!!!!!
That one and when they are so mad because god killed people in this situation or another.
Do they have continued hatred towards the Joker from Batman? No because he is not real. If they truly believe God isn’t real they would dismiss his stories has fictional and move on- like they do about the Joker.
@@hummervs3278 …that’s right, they got such drive to debunk the Living God of the Bible and not the hundreds of fake gods of other religions.
@@freedom4life312 I just see it as that they want to live their own way instead of owning up to their sins to God. It does not matter what logic or evidence you give to an atheist they will deny anything.
This young man is maybe the smartest and most reasonable student that I've heard talking to Cliffe after listening to about 30 of his videos. But the kid is still determined to misunderstand.
That college grad dude just made an error. He says there are people who speaks morally better than Jesus Christ and sited people examples when he admitted has hasn't read the entire bible.
He is so far from God it is scary!
its funny he uses examples from people's views or books he reads but denies the bible and the witnesses of the disciples. a bit hypocritical
Nathan136 what makes this even more of a problem people do this all the time
When I was with Pastor Cliffe, a woman I had a conversation with, said she was an Atheist, was raised I think as a RC, I raised the fact that, while she went to school, believing what the professors were teaching from books, but she did not believe the Bible.
@@Brucev7 Hi Bruce, it would depend what subjects the professors were teaching her, many subjects like biology, maths, physics and many others have been tried and tested, and we come up with the same results everytime, they are solid foundations of knowledge. The Bible is anything but. Theology is very dependant on things which cannot be tested.. as I've said many many times.. you can't prove a miracle. Thats interesting that you've met Cliffe, I'd love to have a conversation with him one day.
@@bonnie43uk you can't prove love, sex drive, free will etc. Try to live like sience bot and tell me results pls.
Subjects that are taught in school are based on observation (the senses) and the mind. God is beyond the mind and the senses and it takes more than observation (senses) and mind to get to have a relationship and experience God. So when Cliffe talks about love, integrity, Faith etc..He is trying to explain to them that science cannot prove these by science because they are not in the Realm of the senses. So, he explains to them that Jesus and the Bible are evidence and that by reading them and put our Faith in Christ (God), them the Holy Spirit will give us revelations. If you truly and honestly want to know the truth and humble Yourself and seek for it, you will find it. It's a heart issue, not just mind
This guy went on and on about science then dives into a long winded unscientific philosophical soliloquy!! He can't see the hypocrisy in his worldview. Truly amazing!! Lol
I think he is discovering what he really does think without his friends there to defame him for it.
He is realizing with cliffe that they are apples and oranges and philosophic realism is not explained by disciplines of science as he was taught to expect, as if it were possible.
Testimony is a kind of evidence, and it is often the only evidence that a judge has when deciding a case.
John 8:32
And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
Cliff was really taking it easy on that college Kidd
Amazing debate. I Love Chris.
“You must be a southern”
That made me laugh so hard
I love that when Cliff sees the person is not listening or trying to understand he politely stops the dialogue. Why keep talking with them when they're not even trying!!!!!
....watching videos in this channel and hearing the arguments of the students of different universities is like watching horror and sad movies :( But it's also good to know that Atheism is only a temporary condition :)
I love that hook shot cliff!
When he quoto the last sentence that we some how fall in line with the ethics and so nature or evolution choose us to be superior to other living beings BUT he failed to think carefully and say which"WE".. the Good WE or the Bad WE?.... coz those two things are always highly intertwined in the reality...in our so called WE world...
At 10:07 dude says "I believe that philosophy shows us that we should avoid paradoxes" Does this sound like philosophy to anyone else?
Scientist definitely do say they absolutely KNOW where life came from. They teach it in our schools and make us pay for it.
If only Jesus had a Facebook profile.....
If someone says to me that Abraham Lincoln is a bad person the conversation is over because they clearly live in another reality.
This what is being taught in woke camps all across our dying country, no God and that our finding fathers were bad people.
keep them coming brothet
Will someone please explain how we get ethics through evolution?
A damn fine question to ask an atheist.
That was a very nice poem. It doesn't make evidence, point to evidence, or validate the naturalist evolutional theory. It only points to the question of "I exist so I was created, but by what?" Again, science can't prove or get at the question of the metaphysical essence of that question. We were created, yes. For what? To love God and love others
How gracious of Cliff for letting him have his two minutes of fame at the end and not dismantling his evolution allowed us attitude
Cliffe is an awesome debater. Praise Yeshua.
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He's good but he knows what day the sabbath is why does he preach on on the first day we all the the sabbath is Friday sunset to Saturday sunset
@@michaelanthonyortegaherrer348our faith and love for our creator does not depend on the day.
@JohnjOcampo yes it does when you go to church on Sunday your following the catholic church the devil
@JohnjOcampo Jesus said if you love me obey my commandments
@@michaelanthonyortegaherrer348
Correct... The Catholic church is corrupted to the core. They even mention in the catholic catachism that the catholic church has the right to change the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. And the pope is a false prophet.
these clips are too good that they just have at this moment after 5 yeahrs "just" 13.000 clicks....???im stunned
The gateway to heaven is very narrow, only humbled faithful believers can enter.
Awesome.
The fact that we can question our instincts shows we are more than what nature alone otherwise we would be compelled to act on our strongest instincts which we don't we wouldn'tbe able to question them.
A man's strongest instinct maybe to have sex with an attractive woman he sees her but he can ignore this instinct and follow his weaker one and leave her alone, evolution doesn't explain this according to evolution the man has to act on his instincts and it's not wrong because he's trying to survive and pass on his gene's.
When in reality if a man rapes an atheists wife he won't accept the excuse that evolution determined him to do this and it's not his fault he has no free will and is lead by instincts. . that atheist would demand justice because he believes in a moral law.
This ability which sets us apart from the animals... stops "the evolution alone" theory.
Well said friend.
I still insist these universities make individuals become dumber every day. I don't know if that young man believes any of the things that come out of his mouth ☹️
I just think even if he had enough personal proof to believe in christ he still wouldn't put his faith in him. These days people just don't want to know God or even care bc they would have to do a full 180 on their lives, people love sinning its just the way it is.
@15:43, this kid misse d the day in history that talked about the actions Hitler and the SS did to people.
thanks for this video~
I don't believe in a book that man wrote... (opens and reads from a book he wrote in).
Science proves there's no God..
(but science can say we don't know.. It's OK to say we don't know..) but it's a crime to say we do know.
This kid is struggling.. He should have stopped when cliffe stumped him with his own Sodom and gamora argument.
Or his.. Can't I know about a artist by looking at their work. I wonder what he thinks the artist is trying to say about him, when he looks in a mirror or self reflects?
I think it's clear Cliffe had a way of life, a philosophy, a selling point and something to say.
Cliffe is constructive.
Whereas the other guy was simply there to be against whatever Cliffe is for, going as far as to turn a blind eye to Islam to praise muhammad so he can slant Jesus.
This guy really had nothing to say or be and was only destructive
Jesus being perfect is a stumbling block, but believing that DNA could come from nothing seems plausible. What a load of crap! I find most people don't like God because he chaps their hide. He tells people how they should live and that offends people. "They did not want to retain God in their knowledge" Romans 1:28 - I used to be patient with these people, but their mental gymnastics is starting to drive me nuts. I am sick of it.
True. People want to do whatever they want and not please God. That's sad.
I rather people be honest and say what is in their heart - "i dont want God because I'm horny" which I have heard people say. I respect those people more than people who play mind games.
They won't be playing these games in Hell.
+newygreek It is them who don't obey and deserve punishment. As a matter of fact we all do but God is too merciful and kind that he was willing to pay the sacrifice.
Amen. How hard is it to accept a free undeserved gift from God? Blessed be the name of the LORD.
newygreek "How hard is it to accept a free, undeserved gift from God?" Really, really hard, that's the beauty of Gods grace. By making the path to salvation a narrow one, our journey reveals God through positive and negative experiences, each informing and shaping the other.
I have a theory that a relationship with god, ultimately love, cannot be reached without the influence of evil to provide perspective and balance. That's not to say evil is good, it's to say it is necessary. It not only informs us of what's right, but allows human righteousness to prevail. This theory would make the devil just as important on our journey as Jesus because his presence allows us to recognise Christ more easily as our salvation. Like finding an exquisite rose among thorny bushes, it's going to hurt, but it will be worth it.
Repent, turn from sin (Satan) and put your faith in Jesus, accept his sacrafice as your salvation and thank him. Most importantly, don't give up, Jesus will never give up on you. I think that feels like a good philosophy for me.
God bless you Cliffe, my journey has been eased greatly by your clear and concise words.
Peace and the love of Christ to you all. God bless.
Abraham was negotiating with God to not destroy the city of sodom and Gomorrah because his nephew lived there it got to the point where Abraham said will you save the city if there are 10 and God said he wouldn't. thus there were at most 9 righteous people in the city
I am a scientist and I stand behind Jesus and our heavenly father and I am not the only one! Go and watch the panel discussion on life after death done with 50 years of research at UVA. You should be able to find it with UVA panel discussion life after death. These are all scientists men of science not philosophy not of letters but men of science!
The Bible was written by many many people not just some man!!
That grown boy is creating his own standard of right and wrong .
There could be a serious argument that an army of ants work harder and are more united than human beings ever have !!.
We all have our own standard of right and wrong. Morality is subjective.
@@dannielz6 Are you *ABSOLUTELY SURE* about that ?.
@@dannielz6 Did you just make an *ABSOLUTE STATEMENT* ?.
@@dannielz6 Stop being a punk coward , and answer the questions !!.
@@dannielz6 Are you *certain* about that ?.
2:33 in the background ole boy giving his dame (or friend) a pretzel. LETS GOOOOOOOO. She even made sure to check it "Yes. This pretzel is pretzel." NOM
“I’m an artist “ boy
Why didn’t Cliffe answer him at the end? He could’ve easily disproved that moral relativism argument the same way he does with any atheist.
ALL HIS VIDEOS ARE JUST 28 MIMUTES LONG. i AM SURE HE HAD A RESPONSE, MAYBE IT IS ON AN CONTINUEATION ON ANOTHER VID....
In reference to Isaac Newton’s book Philosophiae Naturalis Principia Mathematica
“The more he he knew of science, the more he thought he was seeing god at work.” “In other words, as science expands, then my worship for God increases.”
-Dr John Lennox
God also told us to go out a name all the animals so he essentially told us to go out and figure out they way that he coded this place.
“Theres another axiom. The honest investigation of the intelligibility of creation will be GOOD.”
-Jordan Peterson
The last guy must not study rape and molestation cases if he doesn't think you can go to prison based solely on what someone else says.
At the end the young man stated that ethics is a result of evolution? Well that simply means that we developed a sort of herd morality from animals (most likely chimps and apes). But apes and chimps in their herd that kill and forcefully copulate (rape) are not considered immoral or evil, they would simply be socially inconvenient to the herd, just acting out of fashion; therefore, us, their evolved cousins who rape and kill are just acting out of fashion to the ways of our herd as well!! Thats the best atheistic ethics can deliver! There is no basis for labeling anything evil or immoral, as we are animals as well. The Bible gives a more sound foundation for morality.
Note: Prophesy is NOT a scientific proof.
I love the way Cliffe debates these kids on a lot of major topics but I have one HUGE disagreement with him on how he goes about trying to bring them to Christ which is one big reason why these kids dont seem to get the need for a saviour & far too often just compare Jesus to other great men in human history. You have to help these college kids understand that they are living in opposition with God because they have broken His law repeatedly & now commands ALL MEN EVERYWHERE to repent(Acts 17:30,31). Christ came to sacrifice himself to save us from the condemnation of the law for all those who believe in him based off of his work on the Cross & not off the fact that he was a historical figure who had an excellent ministry & sinless life that can be verified through the research of the gospels, historical texts & eye witness accounts.
Psalms 1,
Deuteronomy 28, Joshua 1:7-8
Matthew 6:9-15 & 12:31-32,
Romans 10:9-13,
11 Peter 3:9,
Did that young man just said Muhammed lived a sinless life - do they learned anything in college ? .
I mean to be fair, he stated that God destroyed Sodom and Gomora because of "gays" and when Cliffe asks on which verse does it say he says "i havent read the bible in a long time". I doubt he even reads it carefully so never mind checking out the Qur An
What a excellent graduate dude with an excellent argument,dude way to go
Lol
I'd love the chance to debate Knechtle. I can easily point out the flaw in each of his points.
No you can’t. I’m not even at Cliff’s level biblically or spiritually speaking, and your worldview will get absolutely eviscerated if you bring it anywhere near me. We can “debate” whenever you want. I don’t need any advanced notice or anything else. I’m ready whenever you are. We can even do it Live on my UA-cam channel. Normally, I just talk about the 49ers or sometimes battle rap entertainment. And aside from a short fan-made Niners commercial I posted two weeks ago, I haven’t really been active on that channel all year. But it’s my channel, and I can talk about whatever I want. Let’s see if you have the dignity, integrity, and confidence to defend what you believe and stand on what you said… or are you talking just to try SOUNDING intelligent?
It’s actually laughable to me honestly. The “smartest” people throw out all these lofty words, use a condescending tone, and try to introduce super-scientific terminology while simultaneously either implying or outright saying that the people who believe in God are brainwashed, stupid, or a combination of both. But every single time we debate, they look and sound absolutely retarded in front of everyone. And I always like to make sure it’s streaming Live. LoL! In the beginning of the encounters, the other party starts right out the gate with how intellectual they are, how much schooling/how many degrees they have… 100% of the time. But it doesn’t take long at all… like clockwork, the ad hominem attacks get started where the conversation becomes more about the “believers” than the topics. And since it’s Live, everyone gets to see the folly in real time and there’s no way to weasel out of it. You have my word that this won’t be different. The social media memes from atheist groups and the echo chambers where atheists gather to trade and parrot each other’s talking points do not and cannot help in the lion’s pit. And Googling things like “Bible contradictions” and opening THAT door leads to an uglier death when and because the people behind those websites don’t do their homework… so the people who just repeat it are in even more dangerous water by bringing up scriptures and points that hurt them. But yeah… Just let me know when and where. I can’t promise that you’ll walk away with your faith being placed in Christ afterwards… but I give you my word that ALL of your excuses for rejecting Christ will be exposed and taken away. By the end of it, you’re gonna have to either admit that you had it all wrong and change, or you’ll have to admit that you got it wrong but still want nothing to do with the Bible. Either one is fine with me. But understand that that’s 100% definite. Like I said, I’m not the smartest dude in the world. But 100% of the brilliant people with whom I’ve had the pleasure of having this conversation have ALL walked away with their worldview in shambles. Not because I’m smart… but because I have the easier job. You see, I have the truth on my side. So you’re fighting an uphill battle from the very start by defending a lie. It’s super easy on this side. And if you’re an actual seeker of truth and not debating for debate’s sake, and if your desire is about WHAT’S right instead of WHO is right or BEING right, your life is about to change; I promise you.
@@blacksuburban2410 Talk about a condescending tone. What kind of person tells someone that they couldn't win a debate without ever hearing that person's arguments? A stupid person, that's who. The same kind of moron who think Cliff's arguments can't be eviscerated.
@@BorneoIs I don't know where he is.
@@responsibleparty Why not refute Kneltche points right here in this chat? What did you disagree with his points? I am curious to know how would you refute him.
Why did he leave this last guy off the hook?
This man doesn’t understand what a disciple is... spending time 24/7 with someone and him not to sin
When all evidence is presented at you but still refuses to believe... basically this kid's heart is hardened.
I'm so glad i never went to college.
+Mark Metternich Why would I do that?
Yea,it's amazing how God created us thinking beings, we went to college then arrogantly say"there is no God:
God's Word said;Arrogance/Pride goes before destruction. So true.
You can make an interpretation of how they define art.
So according to the guy "Ethics" is God. Yay
Hoetton foo, which guy? Not my guy right 🤨
I like how dude showed up with a paper of questions and statements written by his evolution priest aka professor. Just like the pharisee's sent their disciples to test the Lord Jesus Christ. So embarrassing
How are all these college kids so well educated yet have such a small understanding of the obvious. Even when you spell it pit for them. And the kid wants to discount the bible, with all its overwhelming evidence and read his asinine notebook as if its more valid and is backed by more solid evidence lol. God bless em 🙏
Does Cliffe accept the Torah codes as presented by Chuck Missler book cosmic codes?
I don't know, you should ask him.
Grad dude made him shut up bravo!
Don't confuse politeness, patience, and willingness to hear him out with out interupting, in Cliff as being "Shut up". Hope you noticed all videos of his are appox. 28 minutes long, it just simply ended there. I am quite sure there was a response.
Nice
Did that guy just say at 18:50-56 that Gandhi and Muhammad are like Jesus Christ? Unbelievable! How ignorant do you have to be about Muhammad to utter nonsense like that. Unreal.
Well I hope he doesn't actually believe what he said at 20:50. "you can't be convicted by eyewitness testimony alone?" My father was a criminal defense attorney in California for 35 years, and I can guarantee this kid that he can and would be convicted by eyewitness testimony alone. Meaning no physical or forensic evidence. If he did this in Texas, and more than one person witnessed the murder. Not only would he be convicted, he would also be in the express line for the gas chamber.
You can't think of cities and towns the way you think of them today. In the Old testament in the Bible in general these cities were extremely small areas of people extremely small.
Exactly !!! They were basically small villages tbh… people these days thing the cities were inhabited by hundreds and thousands when really it was a small population
Cliffe talks about the fine tuning of the universe , but in reality, we humans have only been on this planet for a fraction of it's existence, if you go back to our early ancestors they had to struggle to survive in a very harsh environment. It was mankind's ability to make tools and weapons which gave us that edge over other animals and our brain capacity which helped us survive. There is little evidence that this planet was fine tuned specifically for us, rather, it was our ability to adapt to it's harsh conditions which helped make us who we are today.
ramon carlos 777 Yes indeed Ramon, that's what genesis says, and it gets lots of things wrong if you read on further.
Which makes sense if you consider that the Word of God tells us that Adam and Eve after their disobedience was cast out of Eden (a perfect environment) and put here, in a harsh environment where God explained the hardships they would have to endure and what to do to survive.
AquarianValkari I think the Garden of Eden story was exactly that, a story, there is no basis for fact.. and there are quite a few questions which crop up when you read the story in Genesis. Here's one which puzzles me, when God banishes Adam and Eve for disobeying him regarding taking the fruit from the tree of knowledge, he places an angel and a flaming sword at the gate to prevent them returning. Why didn't God place the angel and the flaming sword around the tree of knowledge to prevent them from getting near it if he was so concerned about it. He does the exact opposite in fact, he places a serpent which even the bible states is 'more subtle than any other beast', so God knew full well Eve would be deceived by this deceitful talking snake. It's a little like placing a hand grenade in a room full of 3 year old children, and telling them not to pull the pin... then putting a man in the room telling the 3 year old it's ok to pull the pin. What do you think is going to happen?
Well, I would argue that the skills to survive didn't come out of nowhere.
José Fabres Absolutely correct Jose, human beings have honed their skills to survive over hundreds of thousands of years. One of our best tools has been our ability to think and reason, and our ability to make tools out of wood and stone ( flints in particular), when mankind learned how to make fire this gave us a massive advantage over all other animals, it was used to scare off predators and obviously to keep us warm.
How does he say I don’t know and on his next breath “you are in error” doesn’t make sense
15:42 that guy is willfully ignorant.
"I can't believe a large group of people will do harm to another large group of people."
Wow. Intellectually dishonest.
Ok I don't like the idea of making fun of people for their arguments, but wow that ignorance in saying Gandhi and Muhammed were sinless is incredible. Gandhi's openness about his racism, Muhammed's last 9 years being extraordinarily violent, especially in teaching for slaughter of Jews and Christians for not accepting the Quran... they don't claim sinlessness and we see sin in their life by looking at history
I've just been admiring that interracial couple in some of these Cliff's videos. Here they were holding hands almost throughout this video. I hope they eventually took their relationship to the next level. 😄😍
21:00
False dichotomy mixed with misrepresentation.
In the beginning god...no
In the beginning hydrogen...no
Correct answer: In the beginning we don't know. More data is required.
In the beginning God is a very reasonable answer. Many many people find God when they seek Him because He is not far from us. A great intelligent cause is reasonably and more probably the source for an intelligent answer.
Its a pity there's such a lot of negative comments about this guy. Ken tried his best and spoke like we should as Christians and there are things we can never do but through the Holy Spirit and our love of people all things are possible.They were fair enough questions, and I could see where he was coming from. I am sure this is why Jesus went and spoke to the rich young ruler late at night to tell him the truth all this was done with an eternal love and in a loving kindness for him.I liked the way Ken ended the discussion and the guy also..They agreed to disagree. I pray that he will think on these things they discussed and test God and his word.
Is Scientology real, is Buddhism real, is Islam real, is Christianity real, is Mormonism real, ???
This young man is locked and wrong.
On what basis is what God did immoral?
How can you say at 11:30 that science can prove or disprove is baloney? Science has proven that there is a God and history, archeology backs it up. It's scientifically impossible for there not to be a God. Miracles that the lord Jesus did still happens today through his Holy Spirit.
Romans 1: 20,21,22
My goodness, the preacher is a bully. He is a liar. Jesus did say "blindly believe" to doubting Thomas "blessed is he who does not see yet still believes" If he reads only PARTS of the bible, it is a cherrypicking. He does not listen to the students points but only gathers ammunition to refute his position. This is polemics and not education.
That doesn't sound like blind faith to me. I believe that my wife is faithful to me every second of every day. I can't observe her every second but I still believe. If I could somehow observe her every second I would believe. I don't observe her every second yet I believe. This doesn't make me blind
You said that Jesus said to "blindly believe" and then you go on to quote Jesus NOT saying to "blindly believe". Yes, he says that those who "believe without seeing are blessed" but he does not go on to say "therefore, you must blindly believe". In fact, he provides Thomas with the evidence. The Bible tells us to not only examine our fellow man but to even examine ourselves to ensure that there is no hypocrisy or deception within us. Have you never heard the scripture "Be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear."? (1 Peter 3:15). If we were truly called to blindly believe then we would not have a reason for the hope that is in us. Having a reason for something and given that reason as an answer is akin to providing evidence. We are called to be skeptical. If you have never read the Bible in its full context please don't quote from it because it makes you look ignorant.
@@shameisnotwelcomehere3069 You are accurate when you suggest the bible says to believe and also to test things. I notice these contradictions also. I am correct too when the bible says to blindly believe "blessed is he who does NOT see yet still believes" Sometimes when I point this out, people ban me from quoting the Bible.. I will quote the Bible if I like, and it is not yours to ban from me. Shame on you,
@@martinlag1 i think that quote from Bible has an intention of saying that even though you cant see something, does not mean it doesnt exist. And that faith comes to play when we are talking about believing in something that is untangible (non materialistic things). When we believe God eventho we cant see him visually, it means we have strong convictions as well as faith and God appreciates that. Also faith (at least on my definition as well as Cliff's) isnt believing blindly, which is contrary to a lot of people's beliefs. Faith is believing in something that has evidence it exists as well as value.
@@JoeMama-sd2kl There are two definitions of faith being used and this is misleading. In my opinion, when Thomas touches the wounds of Jesus, he no longer needs faith because he has evidence.
It seems to me that if you have evidence, you do not need faith. The definition used by you (''Faith is believing in something that has evidence'') and Cliff, and many Christians, is cheeky in my opinion. I guess my view is that faith is blind, technically.
Now, in the real world, we assess claims based on a combination of faith (without evidence) and evidence (by seeing). You use both methods, which is fair enough, but to call it all faith, is not.
Science can't even prove evolution!
He said Jesus didn't say to blindly put faith in Him but he most certainly did. Just take Thomas, He said to Thomas "blessed are those who believe without seeing", ie faith!
The biblical Definiton of faith translates it as the assurance of things hoped and the EVIDENCE of things NOT seen!
No, we don't need to see the holes in His HANDS or see the future in Heaven, nor see the tomb where He laid but we believe because God has drawn us to Him and this revelation saves us as we put our faith in the One He has raised from the dead and lives in Heaven on the right side of the Father.
John 20: 25 ...But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.
John 20: 29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
When you preach about evidence you take away from God being the deciding factor of your belief.
John 6:44
King James Version
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Proof through Prophesy: The Bible, inspired by your Creator - God - to be pinned by various men whom acknowledge HIM, has proof. How could a man provide an event to take place 700 yrs in advance with great detail? For example: Micah 5:2 proclaimed and Mathew 2:1-6 is the historical proclamation of the event physically, actual and truly take place. Even the "World" believed and took physical action for and against the event. This is only one of Hundreds of His provided prophesies through one of HIS chosen that have already been fulfilled. That is sound evidence that HE, Jehovah, exist.
Exactly
Without prophecies the Bible would just be a book. Just look at the prophetic things that are happening in Jerusalem over the last few years.
Not to mention the return to the holy land which was prophesies thousands of years earlier.
Cliffe at 2:00: "Christ did not say blindly believe. Christ said use your mind, use your critical thinking." Where does Jesus say anything remotely like that? Instead, we read Bible verses like Proverb 3:5: "Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding."
Jesus does talk about not being deceived by false prophets in the end times in Matthew 24:24. And then ironically, he then makes a false prophecy about the end times 10 verses later: "Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened." That generation did pass, and those things did not happen. So I'm going to use my critical thinking to conclude that Jesus was a false prophet. Is that the Christian thing to do?
Context is king sir
The word "generation" in Matthew 24:34 is not referring to a generation defined according to an age or a person, like the generations mentioned in 1:17; it refers to a generation defined by the moral condition of the people, like the generations mentioned in Matthew 11:16; 12:39, 41-42, 45; and in Proverbs 30:11-14. Source of info is from footnote 34(1) from Matt 24:34 in the Recovery Version of the New Testament. :)
It's been 2000 years. He's not coming back. Get over it. Do you need another 2000 years to acknowledge that he was a false prophet?
@@rimpinths jesus said people like you would ssy that.
@@rimpinths what if you're wrong?
Anyone else here notice that he was trying to claim that weve evolved with compaision and thats how weve thrived if your gonna claim evolution as an origin atleast be honest that if we are simply a product of evolution its becuase weve inveted more ways to take a life than save one (i dont believe in macro evolution )
These kids are scary and lost! Most of these kids were raised Christian and they hit the University and some professors are unbelievably wrong and so liberal that they turn these kids away from Jesus and God!
Paul professing to be wise became that fool and will reap what he sows. Reality has no bearing on what a finite human being thinks is real and his inability to understand what transcends the human mind such as logic, reason, morality, laws of nature, etc., will be the reason he will be separated from the Creator who established these things. His name is Jesus.
16 "For BY Him ALL THINGS were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, VISIBLE and INVISIBLE, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. ALL THINGS were created THROUGH Him and FOR Him."
Colossians 1:16
I find it very difficult to believe god would kill everyone in sodom and gomora , was there not one innocent child in the city??
Sodom and Gomorrah was a city that was filled with great evil. Abraham found it just as difficult as you also see it but God showed him that it was that wicked. The account of Lot going into that city showered how messed up it really was. God sent two angels to search for those worthy of saving before its destruction. Who did they find, no one. Why would Lot take two random strangers in their home? Because he protected them from what he knew was out there which was the devious and wicked people in that city.
People sometimes people error, science and God are not enemies, what happens is these professors start out with no God, that is and will be the problem.
You got it backwords. Disbelief is the default, not belief. You do this with every other religious claim. You didnt believe them all at one point right? You've always disbelieved them because Youre not convinced.
God created by His Word, things Einstein spent his whole life trying to figure out.
Jesus is Gods Word made flesh.
If you cannot grasp this, then all the science experiments won't prove Gods reality to you.
And yet a child can understand it.
God Is triune.
Like you are body, soul, and spirit.
Why make it so difficult?
Evolution chose us to be the superior species? On purpose? Or by design? Or by pure chance? Who is this evolution guy? God
Bob the builder #Socofilms
These people most of them are really just ignorant. This guy so many of the things he said are this absolutely not true first he has a very tainted view in an uneducated view of God in the Bible. Then he’s saying that I witnessed testimony is allowed in a quarter-law. I don’t know how Cliff can keep it calm especially because he’s heard the same things over and over and over.
Just like all the other reprobates he talks to this person reject God because he loves his sin.
Enjoyed watching you until this video.. Science through archaeology DOES in fact prove God exists and even more so proves the Bible correct.. I challenge ANYONE to show where science, Archaeology or Astronomy proves anything incorrect inside the Bible
Fair point!! The fact is that “Science” is just a word an adjective to describe the (methodological approach) found in all subjects such as mathematics, philosophy, logic, history, sociology, linguistics and aspects of theology, archeology, psychology and neurology such as hermeneutics not to mention geology etc.
The “natural sciences” merits no monopoly on knowledge and meaning. Which is why there are an array of different “scientific” techniques (methodological approaches) for accessing knowledge and meaning such as analytical philosophy, modal logic, history, archeology, geology, mathematics and linguistics not to mention historical hermeneutics etc that undergird the historical sciences.
Funny how His list of all the great things Evolution has supposedly given us, failed to list all the atrocities committed ……hmmm, guess he just simply ignores all that
UNFREEKNBULEEVABL
Christ advocated science?
this guy believe in tracking someone’s live from facebook or internet rather than eyewitness testimony.. what. a. joke.
Fool
So ignorant