NEW Pirelli P-ZERO RACE TLR RS - FIRST LOOK
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- Опубліковано 7 лип 2024
- Trickling down from the world of automobile racing, Pirelli's newest P-Zero TLR RS are the fastest road bike tyres to be released! How does Pirelli achieve this? Ollie takes them for a spin and explains all you need to know!
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The Fastest Performing Road Tyre? 00:00
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Tyre Compounds 01:38
Comparing with P-Zero TLR and Competitors 02:33
Tyre Construction 04:31
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What are your thoughts on the new Pirelli tyres? Let us know in the comments below
Just got mine the other day and are installed Tubelessly (is that a new word) on my Emonda Sl with Aeolus RSL 37s, and they feel amazing! Can't wait to really test them out!
A lot of people here don't seem to be getting it.
Pirelli are saying that they've nudged the puncture resistance down to MATCH that of their immediate competitors, and in doing so their tyre is now the fastest, because of this new compound.
These things are a bit intangible though, and hard to test definitively.
But unless I can get a pair for under £40 each, I shan't be trying them anyway, I'll stick with my Schwalbe Pro One TLRs which are fast, and a good balance of cost vs. performance.
On the Pro Ones, I did a neighborhood left turn at 28 mph and didn’t fall. They were used for years by previous owner too, quite happy with their performance.
I bought a set of Pro Ones because it was all anyone had at the time. I honestly couldn't really tell a difference betweent them and the GP5000 that followed nor the race tires before them. I did a granfondo on them and the grip was great.
So the new TLR non-RS (is there one?) would be slightly heavier but with superior puncture resistance? Sounds like the perfect tire.
I have bought the TLR version a couple of weeks ago, 32mm. So far - so good 👍
Pretty great right!? How are you enjoying the slightly wider rubber on a 32mm?
@@gcntechFast and comfy :)
I have had really good luck on the older version of the TLR's, and to me, if they over engineered the tire to improve puncture performance, I am on board with that. A minor number of grams to not get a puncture is worth it to me. My first set lasted around 3600 miles and I only had to replace them due to getting a side wall cut. I have a set on another bike that is approaching 4K no punctures since they have been installed. I find them very easy to install on my rims as well, and have them in both 28 and 30mm versions, but wouldn't mind running them in a 32 when my 30's are ready for replacement.
Homie at 6:55 almost got nuked by the car noticing Ollie and the filming rig passing by 😅😅
Nice advert GCN
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Glad you enjoyed it 😉
There's an "AD" written in the thumbnail
I've been riding the same 18 mile loop, once a week for around 25 years (amongst others of course). But this loop is my comparison one. When I bought these tires, I excitedly put them on my bike and noticed immediately that the wheels spun about 2% faster. When I rode the 18 mile loop, I got home in 58:12mins. (It's a bit hilly). Honestly guys, it's unbelievable. These tires were so fast I went about 7 minutes slower than my best ever time. But that's because I was wearing my short socks, not the aero ones. And there were some roadworks on the road near Shincliffe so I had to stop at a red light. When I went around the corner near the Esso garage, a bus was coming the other way and I had to brake suddenly because of how fast I was going. Needless to say, I stopped so fast, I went forwards over the handlebars. These tires are so awesome, I'm going to start spelling them "TYRES". Just wow.
I ran Pirelli on my motorcycle for decades. Wouldn't consider another tire. I'm newer to road bikes but was happy to upgrade from my OEMs to Pirellis and have confidence they'll be just as terrific as their motorsport types.
It's so cool to see brands pulling inspiration and knowledge from other industries
There's a vast difference between a high performance road or motorcycle tire where weight is the second or third consideration and a bicycle tire where low weight in competition is paramount. That's for racing. For ordinary use, puncture resistance ranks first.
I don't know about you guys/gals, but I would prefer better puncture protection as I am not riding in the tour. I ride in RL where I don't have a team to swap me a bike another $20,000 bike if I get a flat. My Giant carbon bike's tires hit a small piece of glass and the tires punctured. 700x25's were just to easy to puncture. I switched to some GP 5000's in 30's. Got a more comfortable ride and a bit better puncture protection.
Everyone will have a different need, brands like Pirelli have a tyre for every rider. Maybe check out the Cinturato for a more puncture proof tyre 🙌
It's faster because Ollie touched all over it at the Pirelli factory
magic hands
90€, have the prices double in recent years or is that for a pair? 😅
Gonna assume thats the price for 1..
90€ RRP, ain't GP5000 at 80€ RRP? So probably 40 to 50% off of the RRP on frequent sales.
Crazy how this slim strip of rubber cost £40 more than your average car tires., let that sink in...!!
@@govermentsoundsystemrootik8887Oh come on. What kind of crap tires are you buying for a car that cost €50? A decent quality passenger car tire costs about €140 each. A good high performance car tire is easily €200-250 each. What would I classify as “decent” or “good”? Name brand, with a speed and load rating specified by the car manufacturer.
I bought a set of Conti Contact Plus (general purpose bike tires) for €50 each. They’re good at what they do (resist puncture, keep the rim off the road) but weight in the order of 800g each.
When it comes to a *racing* tire for a bicycle, you’re looking at a specialized product that operates at very high pressure, has extremely low weight, and minimal rolling resistance. These requirements demand special materials and construction techniques, which add to the cost. That cost has to be weighed against a fairly low sales volume because it’s a product that serves a niche segment of the market. So the price goes up. It’s called “pay to play”.
@@govermentsoundsystemrootik8887 I don't know what type of car tyre you buy, but a Pirelli P Zero Sport costs in the usual sizes 150-300€ per piece, you need 4. ;) If you want a sticky tire for a sports car, like a P Zero Corsa, you can easily pay double of that. Of course, if you compare it low end car tires it seems expensive, but you can also get a Schwalbe Lugano or a Vittoria Zaffiro for 10€ or chinese ones for 5€.
Ride London yesterday was a procession watching people repairing punctures by the side of the road. Apparently something to do with flint being washed onto the roads. Found a piece in my Conti 5000 while cleaning the bike this morning, small cut with flint inside, happy customer👍
Sometimes you get lucky sometimes you don't ... welcome to cycling 🤣
An open and controled test and comparison with toplevel tires by other brands would be correct
I'm sure bicycle rolling resistance and aerocoach will eventually test them.
I guess this clip was sponsored by Pirelli itself. So I don't expect a neutral view here.
Any info on the new Michelin power protection tlr???? I really want to order these pzero rs but I think the new power protection really is the one I want. But I can’t find them anywhere.
When is the "classic" color coming? Its not on the site yet. And any indication whether the classic color will be a slower construction like in the case of Conti and Schwalbe?
The Pirelli website claims they are 8% lighter than the Pirelli P Zero Race TLR's. Since the same size tire in a P Zero Race RS is only 5 grams lighter this math simply does not work out. They would need to be 23 grams lighter when comparing 28mm tires. I think we all need to see some more research on these!
Hopefully they will be easier to get on rims than their current tubeless tyres!
huh? they are the only tires i can get on my rims without a lever?
You’re kidding surely. I can get em on and off no levers and inflate without an expansion tank.
@@CerveloS5rider Can I borrow your tyres then?
They can be a little tough, when touching them, they kind of feel greasy
Pirelli are the easiest tubeless tires to mount/dismount. You're probably doing something wrong
I have bought the TLR version a couple of weeks ago, 32mm, just North of 50 euro each (promo). So far - so good 👍
Great to hear!
Just a gigantic advert for massively overpriced MAMIL bait.
Why are you crying?
The pro teams wouldn’t be using them if they weren’t fast. They’re not for me, as I don’t race and am after cheaper more durable puncture resistant tyres but for what they are, they’re very likely to be excellent
Yet you also don't want to use conti ultra sport 3, do you?
The Race TLR's I've been running had a major Puncture at about 15km on a pointy rock no less. I've changed over to the TLR Race 4S(at least on the rear) and haven't had and issue yet. Seems I had less issues when I ran 23mm Tubular at 125psi.. LOL.
Is this an ad?
Ye
All gcn videos nowadays are ads, that's why alot of people are getting tired, granted i'm here on this video but it's only to shake my head and smirk.
In all but name. However, no one is holding a gun to your head to make you watch it. The rolling resistance website is your friend. 😃
So, they rely on compounds from motorsport (F1)? Does this mean we’ll have to swap out tires after they wear out halfway through a race?
I really hope they are going to make the Color Edition of the tyres as well.
Pirelli is the real deal. I mean, there's a passion to make good tires, not solely marketing bullshlt. Pirelli Angel GT have long been the standout tire for sport-touring motorbikes with unequaled mix of grip, stability, handling, wet-weather, and longevity. I can easily believe Pirelli is doing the hard work to (try) properly dethrone the king of cycling tires: Continental GP5000.
I'll get them once my current set of Race TLRs wear out. Honestly not my favourite tire but they are indeed bombproof at puncture protection. It's coming into winter here which was why I switched over to the Race TLRs. These RS sound like summer tires.
You have the p zero race version? I was hesitant of its puncture protection and went with the p zero race 4s.
@@bonbonflippers4298 Yeah Pzero Race TLR. Puncture protection is on point. Rolling resistance is not it's strong point. If I'm really honest, grip isn't the greatest either - not that I'm going into ditches or anything.
@JFomo rolling resistance isn't that great either? I don't know I feel like my race 4s feels fast enough...I switched from the gp5000. I wanted more puncture protection so I guess speed isn't a big deal for me
@@bonbonflippers4298 I judge the rolling resistance by seeing how far my bike travels when free-wheeling down a particular hill in my area 😅
It's not the most scientific but the Pirellis lose out to the Corsa Pros and Conti GP5K STR. I'm not too mad about it as it makes for a good training and winter tire.
How easy are they to fit?
lack of puncture protection is the main reason apart from the hilarious price is why I'll never buy them. Michelin power cup TLR have the puncture protect and the very low rolling resistance still and can be bought a lot cheaper. cheaper still are goodyear eagle F1 R TLC tyres. change for me was going from 28 mm to 30 mm. That made a noticeable difference to speed
These used to have MORE puncture protection than the Power Cup and should now match them. They're not making them TT tires...
Realmente parece que a aderência dele é muito boa, mas é um produto de alta tecnologia, então é óbvio que tem um preço alto
So the new RS replaces the TLR SL?
Pirelli is an experienced tire builder. Like their competitors, they have the expertise to bring some cool products to market. Not all of these will be the right tire for everyone, but it’s nice to have the choice nonetheless.
wise words!
Why are people mad a race-day tyre is expensive and less puncture resistant?
It’s designed for racing. Not to last 10k
For almost 100$ per tyre you'd think it would be something special but it looks and in some cases has worse performance than GP5000 which costs less. Guess industry needs to find new ways of fleecing people since bikes aren't selling anymore.
I’d give em a shot.
$80 for a bicycle tyre??🤨 madness!
I use the Pzero Race (no tubeless) 26mm with tpus which are the lightest 205 grams.
I cannot think of using any others.
Are you you sure the hookless thing?
I was sure these are for hooked rims.
26mm are not hookless, the rest are
I have a question about the prototype equipment on UCI events. My understanding is that any equipment, presumably including tires, must be available for the public to buy. How then are we seeing prototype such as these tires or new bike frames like the Trek Madone/Emonda (which I’ve been calling the Madonna)?
Look good, but the wait for independent RR test and for them to be discounted over the RRP which is rather high.
“Tyres are the best bang for your buck..”
Especially when overinflated! ;-)
very good, or when you hit a set of police stingers in the road!
Do we receve an 80s mint 5 Series Beemer in OK shape for our consideration?
Take a look at the New Hutchinson tires the Blackbird Mach 3
Maybe you could do a video on why the US is so much cheaper for these and things like Zwift. The US price is equal to £63. So a huge UK mark up.
Maybe US prices don't include taxes which are added later?
It doesn' account for the whole difference, but the UKs 20% VAT really isn't helping!
Any chance of a comparison video with the gp5000?
Most likely not, being that Pirelli is a sponsor. If the test results came back in Conti's favor, there's no way GCN would say it in fear of losing their sponsorship money.
Got these today and they are definitely not easier than the 5000s to fit they are next to impossible to get on
I had an unrepairable puncture yesterday….sealant everywhere. Since I was faced with getting new tires, I decided to give these a try. I had a hard time mounting these tires…worst experience ever. I really hope it’s because they are new because I don’t know what I will do when it is time to replace sealant.
Just add some sealant through the valve in 2-3 months. And try to watch some tricks for mounting tires. Pirellis are usually quite a bit easier than lets say Vittorias or Challenge tires. Or the old first gen GP5k Tubeless. uff!
It's not possible to over-engineer puncture resistance. Tyres aren't fast when they're flat. Also the idea of regressing technology to be in-line with the competition is very strange, possibly even bonkers. And I don't quite get the pricing, unless it's a typo, €90.00 check, £85.00 check, $79.99 huh. Tyres made in Italy, flown all the way to Yankee doodle land, to appear in a shop window at less than the country of origin price! I'll stick to tubs - German tubs.
If you loose a giro sprint bij 2cm running a slower tyre is the winning margin. You can still buy the more puncture resistant normal TLR tyre. So if that is your pick that is perfectly fine.
European prices include VAT (20% in UK, for example). US prices do not include sales tax (0% to around 10% - varies by state/county/city).
@@luukrutten1295 Interesting angle, though this is a situation afforded to 4 or 5 people in the World. I suspect Pirelli are hoping to to sell considerably more than 4 or 5 sets and are therefore aiming these tyres at everyone else.
I could have sworn I heard somewhere that they were also going to be offered in 35c and 40c (I'm on 32c GP5000 A STR's right now and I would have been keen on comparing them with these in 35c)
35mm and 40mm is the non-RS
Hmmm, can they not ad a few more random letters to the name? P-zero TLR Race RS SL SEVO2 F1 E ............
Under list of GCN sponsors: Pirelli....what a surprise!
Is it also surprising that UA-cam channels somehow need to make money to fund the staff and videos that we can watch..?
Everything you watch has got sponsored/product placement products in it , so why moan about it 🤦♂️
And yet you still watched the video, sooooo…
Are sponsors not allowed to make good products? Not everyone has to be sponsored by Raycon lol
That’s how sponsorship works 👏🏻
How many miles do you have?
It's crazy that these tires cost more than my car tires, which has a much bigger bill of material compared to these bike tires. Ludicrous.
yeah i have same observation. Bike tires are massively overpriced plus no sealant required in cars to run them tubeless.
I’ve just bought these. Not been on my bike for a year as of kids and was considerably slower. I don’t believe these stats 🥴
That’s because you are running the old version, which they admit were slower that the GP5000. The new version reviewed here have only been out for a couple of weeks.
@@Lockeness86somehow you’ve miss read the meaning of these. I’ve got these!
If they really outperform the GP5000 S TR, then they have my attention. Numbers don’t lie.
There is no such thing as a GP5000 RS
@@yogatriathlete my bad. I meant S TR, not RS. Fixed it
@@Lockeness86 A tire can outperform another tire in other areas besides rolling resistance. Of course numbers don't lie, but the numbers can't tell you how nice and supple a tire can feel, or the confidence it gives you in corners, or how good it is on wet roads, or how easy/difficult it is to mount/dismount and setup tubeless etc....
@@yogatriathlete all true. I guess my point is a reaction to all these comments about how GCN is sponsored by Pirelli. If it’s a fast, quality tire, then I’m going to consider it regardless of whether this video is basically marketing
I will stay with my 28mm Conti TT's with Silca sealant @ 255grams
Could you run these in the UK winter?
Of course 🙌keep in mind these are a performance tyre and perhaps going for something more chunky would be better for winter 👀 How about the Cinturato?
@@gcntech thanks
These are almost impossible to fit on the Roval Rapide CLX II front wheels. There is no chance to be able to get it back on again with your hands, and with tire levers it's equally almost impossible. Suspect it is due to the Rovals Rim width of the front wheel.
Lol I’m a corsa pro fan. Not changing anytime soon. Corsa pro all day
All of this "claimed data" is useless when it's coming from the manufacturer/sponsor paying you to say this. GCN really needs to step up their game and pay for independent testing facilities before marketing this so-called facts.
These tyres are made by Hutchinson Tyres - I believe
They're not...
@@bbnd5476 have a check - you’ll find they are !
Displacement activity tyres for people that are more into getting the gear than doing the riding. Nice to have these options but 99.9999999% of the population just need to get off the couch and on to any bike.
I am not doing racing so why i need to buy this ?
We all love a KOM right? Only joking, maybe you don't need these - Have you looked at Pirelli's more puncture protected tyres?
I,ll stick with my continental gatorskin thank you.
All tyres have flaws. In 23 years of riding and racing I have ridden michPro 3/4. Specialized Race. Bontrager Race. Conti every tyre model but gather skin. And now on conti 5000 Str. won races in Conti. Flatted every single tyre etc. Pirelli looks good and haven’t tried them but with my track record of one flat in the last 4 years on conti I’ll stay there.
Saw a ton of Pirelli fail on my friends bikes in the same time. It’s tough to choose but training makes the difference with a quality tyre that works. No magic here.
There are strong incentives to use different tires for training and racing. One needn’t offer ultimate speed. It must be durable. The other can offer a different set of trade offs. I think a lot of problems occur when riders choose a racing tire for recreational or training use.
I’m not a racer. If I was, I’d have several tire/rim combinations, one of which would be at a practical end of the scale.
I’m still running my conti gp5000 TT TR on my race wheels and Conti GP5000s TR on my training wheels works amazing and better then the pirelli sry already tried so many pirelli tyres and it just puncture so often and it just doesn’t roll faster
Ils sont sûrement rapides mais psychologiquement 290gr le pneu c’est beaucoup trop ,j’attend une version chambre à air légère car je ne veux plus de tubeless.
Je roule sur des turbocotton et pour le moment ils restent mes préférés.
Come on £85.00!
That is just too much.
Sell more with less profit per tyre!
Ill stick with ze german rubber for now they know a thing or two about engineering 😊
Why are 26 mm tires still being made these days, even though no one but me rides them anymore 😁
You'll be surprised 👀 We think it's great that brands like this support older bikes 🙌Some bikes won't have clearance for wider tyres!
Are these Tubeless tyres.
TLR= tubeless ready
@@konigsegg_1to1 Ok Thanks,
No thanks, I will stick to Continental.
How can you ride down a descent and claim the tire to be faster. You need tests and comparisons in a controlled environment to prove. Sounds like nothing more than an ad campaign🤨
5 grams lighter than P ZERO Race TLR
Ollie salivating at this!
@@gcntech Did he get paid?
HUGE weight savings. Checks that against GP5k and Corsa Pro. Oh still heavier and not as proven. In 1-2 generations Pirelli may figure it out
>>>Attention Everyone, Last tires (TR) they made a recall for hundreds of tires. Personally wrote to Pirelli and never got answer back.
If you race buy them, they are as good as they say (performance wise), but if you are a regular rider don't bother, too expensive to be so unpredictable (quality control is not good), get contis.
"Motorsport" you reckon?
No sht, it looks like a skinny Pirelli Diablo motorcycle tyre.
Sorry but the low watt gains of better tyres makes less of a difference at pro level. I would not be surprised if they won with cinturato velo's. Where the difference comes into play is normie riders. Getting 3-5W off per tyre running 28kmh and getting better puncture protection is a huge gain. At pro speeds you gain that by shaving your hairy legs :D
25g per tire is a huge weight penalty (compared to conti and vittoria)im not willing to take. otherwise i would have tested them.
Why is everything always race? Cant somebody just enjoy the ride?
Because you're watching tyres made for racing? If you're simply cycling, conti ultra sport 3 is good enough
There is also the P Zero Road (TLR) for people like you
Can you riddle me this????
Why do people enter races they have no intentions of actually competing in. They just there to,,,, to,,,,, yeah WHY are you there????
Your just getting in my way who is actually here to compete and actually trained hard put a lot of effort into this race. And some guy entered just to hang out and be cool but get in everyone's way...
Should be a law against that.
all just mumbo jumbo
Pirelli - Er, no thanks.......probably made of cheese, and lasts just as long (or not).
Ollie constantly mini pausing mid sentence, you pause inbetween sentences.
Fastest ever!
£85 a tyre 🙈🤬
Fastest ever and has nothing to do with the rider.
Noticed your front wheel is untrue
The visit to the factory and related hospitality had to be paid for somehow, with a blatant meaningless advert for the GCN sponsor. It needs an independent comparison between several makes and whoever would want to reduce puncture protection to match the opposition??? Frankly makes no sense at all folks! 😂😂😂
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hope that helps. cheers and happy riding! 👍
Bullshit: surely these Pirelli tyres are the fastest tyres, only to puncture and waste money. And when an amateur punctures, he doesn't have the team car to change his bike in seconds. No, it's just not worth it, even if they cost half as much.
Why would an amateur, someone that have to spend his own money, ride such expensive tyres? Just get a pair of conti ultra sport 3 and ride on!
I would recommend learning how to fix a puncture. That way you can use expensive tires without needing to throw them away if you get a flat.
Then buy the old ones
At 290g for a 28mm, these are heavier than most of the competition. As a a competitive amateur, I found the regular P Zero Race TLRs overbuilt for the purpose. Tubeless race tires, for the most part do not need puncture protection, they just need enough tread for so that any puncture has enough internal surface area for the sealant to work its magic on.
@@yukiko_5051Because Ultra Sports aren’t tubeless, particularly fast or grippy?
"you can just feel it" LMAO yes you can feel a marginal gain over last years tyre.. jesus christ the sellout is unreal. PRICE IS AN ABSOLUTE JOKE!
Vittoria cotton casing tires