Why Macross Hasn't Come to the USA in 20 Years
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- Опубліковано 27 сер 2024
- Patrick explains why, thanks to an American company called Harmony Gold, we haven't seen any Macross in the United States for over 20 years.
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A small update:
As of August 16th 2017, Harmony Gold has apparently filed a civil suit against Tatsunoko Productions in California district court. So far there's no word on why, but there's a chance this could get fairly interesting down the line. Stay tuned, I guess!
www.open-public-records.com/court/california-23006746.htm
As far as I know this is an arbitration case.Though not directly related to their "licensing" agreement with Macross this may well affect Harmony Gold's renewal of their "license" on 2021 with Tatsunoko since they don't seem to be in good terms anymore. They also recent;y sued Batlletech (again) particularly Harebrained Schemes, Pirahna Games, and jordan Weisman for their redesigns of the "Unseen" mechs in MWO. I think HG is desperate for money and need as much of before their license expires and to help get their Robotech move off the ground. www.pacermonitor.com/public/case/22233392/Harmony_Gold,_USA,_Inc_v_Tatsunoko_Production_Co,_Ltd
Harmony Gold is a product of the 1980's way of scamming money by being lawsuit-happy just to make money off of a franchise they have NO idea how to market right. All they want is just to make lawsuits and deal under the table (as in settle) out of court for money. It's basically just about the money and how much they can get away with it. I hope that company dies a horrible death along with rights going back to the original creators of the show to be able to market them here through a better company OTHER than Harmony fucking Gold. A fucking real estate company has no business in film and entertainment at all. It's thanks to them that we have to pay double to almost triple the price of recent Macross Toys because they can't get a local foothold here. Some scalpers auction a few of the toys from Yamato/Arcadia, Bandai, etc up to almost $1000 USD depending on the rarity and demand.
@Luke Thighwalker, that goes to show you don't know Macross at all. None of the anime is hentai. #failtroll #LukeThighwalkerhomophobe #getaneducation
interesting. seems it might have something to do with the rights for world distribution being lost by HG in 2021 (or being up for re-negotiation).
You know after watching this I hate harmony gold, it’s bad enough they ruined the robot echo endgame story line that I read in End of the Circle with Shadow Chronicles but to find out that this is why no new dubbed macross sequels, ooooooooh. 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬😡😡😡😡😡🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
Macross was the most incredible thing I seen when I was a little boy in Russia. I remember being around 3 years old seeing Macross the first time and I was enthralled in the visuals.
If Harmony Gold went up in flames suddenly, my cheers could be heard clear across the Pacific.
Its one of the most painfully annoying things as a huge fan of Macross here in the West, honestly, I hope this does get more publicity for every fan's sake.
I just want to see Harmony Gold lose their rights, have to sell Robotech to someone else, and then that new company divorces it from the source material, and we get a franchise that draws inspiration from Macross, but with none of the legal issues, Kinda like how that new Voltron cartoon bears just a passing resemblance to the original Go-Lion series, but it is unmistakably Voltron.
if i had my hands on it. if i ever become a movie director one day. i will make a early 80s style PRACTICAL Effects. put little robots that move and operate on a fake in studio city landscape wars. and actors in cockpits that shake around and move to get the old tension. i wanted to do this so bad to gundam 0079
As a big anime fan of the original Super Dimensional Fortress Macross franchise, I didn't like Harmony Golds rename the franchise to Robotech, and intended to capitalize on popularity of its series along with the merchandise such as model kits toys soundtracks, and later the game itself Robotech Battlecry.
I love Macross, but it was thanks to Robotech, so don´t complain that much about harmony gold, thanks to them we got to know this great series.
NO im sry but all Harmony Gold does is sue company who may have in the PAST copyrighted there designs but TODAY dont look like anymore like the NEW BattleTech which was Bought by a NEW DIFFERENT Company who picked up on it to revive the series and wanted to get RID OFF the Copyrighted designs BUT keep the NAMES for Nostalgia BUT NEW Design Robots that DONT look like RoboTechs. BUT Harmony is gonna ride the sue train stating they still own the 80s even though there. not even bringing it up. Harmony just wants Money. Again theres NO ISSUE about. and BattleTech Company BEFORE had there copy designs since 84. SO WHY IS IT AN ISSUE NOW!!!!??? why didn't u stop BT in the 80s. O WAIT cause a NEW Company is doming in with FRESH NEW Designs and were planning on making a video game of it.O SHIT They must have BIG BUCKS to do it. little do they know we can strike now then back then cause we were to dumb to forget about the 80s...like how did they not see them before
and Harmony Gold didn't buy Macross. they TOOK IT For there OWN Story, STOLED COPYWRITTEN Story and butchered it
so YA Harmony Gold needs to burn in a shithole and Die.
Nobody wants them. they don't even try to do ANYTHING with RoboTech. they let it die and RoboTech shouldn't be the story it was. its like watching the STAR WARS SPECIAL EDITIONS WITHOUT Seeing the ORIGINAL THEATRICAL CUT. Macross Story was 10x better then wat it became. and the DUB of SDF Macross is WAY Better and AMAZING then RoboTechs bullshit. the ONLY THING i like about RT is the Music Soundtrack was actually OK GOOD. and the Voice actor of Roy Focker NOT RT Fokker. Focker is the ORIGINAL Name as it was a Reference to a family last name of a fly boy in the 1930s last name Focker written on the Plane.
I had no idea they were that corrupt. I haven't watched Robotech/Macross since I was a kid but without new content coming in (after the books and comic books ended/were cancelled), I thought the franchise just faded away. I recently just rewatched the HG version on Netflix and all these old feelings for this amazing franchise are resurfaced. Now that I know the truth about them, I'm grabbing the torches and pitchforks. And ordering me some Japanese Blu-Rays.
Harmony Gold must be destroyed.
Definitely worth the time and effort it takes to find the new stuff. Macross Frontier especially is so, so good.
Macross 7 is my favorite, I hope you enjoy it
Only problem with the Blu rays from Japan is that they don't have English subtitles. So unless you speak/understand Japanese, you're pretty much hosed, especially with new content. I agree, Harmony Gold SUCKS!
Late to the show but,.,.Like me, for all their evil, they did make a fan out of you and I. What people forget that there was some good that came out of this.
Duarte so defending what is your contractly is corupt now. Lol yeah no.
2020 update: the original IS here airing subbed on Pluto TV. It's the same as the version on Amazon Prime. Southern Cross and Mospeada are also there uncut and subbed. HOW is FilmRise, who bought the master license from Harmony Gold and FilmRise has a very different idea of what to do with what they now own, namely put everything on TV and let people see it. Here. Have Macross complete with Minmay's shower scenes. It's not yet a total cure for Harmony Gold's BS but it's a major step in the right direction.
I'm sorry... MINMAY HAS SHOWER SCENES?????
@@Lomhow Uhhh... yea, and Hikaru (Rick Hunter) pervs out and sneaks some peaks thru the makeshift 'shower curtain'.
Ahh that's how I managed to find it on Prime in 2020. I was blown away by SDF Macross when I saw it in this form.
If there is a Harmony Gold stamp on anything, I walk away. Not a penny to support them.
The three parties signed an agreement in April 2021 to bring Macross worldwide.
Harmony Gold is at it again, suing Battletech stuff again. They always make loving mecha as a western fan so hard.
Ark Sword . You mean Robotech, Battletech is a completely a different franchise it's not owned by Harmony Gold rather a it's Battletech is under license to a D-20 board game Fasa, and they too are under the gun for copyright on some of they're mecha designs.
i hope someone takes them to the cleaners and there not trace of them left same goes for who ever owns the rights to the yu yu hakusho movie in the usa as well
Married to Satan 666 you need to read on the resent lawsuit with mech warrior and battletech from a month ago over supposed Macross designs that they no longer own.
n1cowboybebopfan1985 . I've already knew about from my friend and editor during PAX West convention in Seattle.
macross is not hentai hentai is porn
_I wish bad things on Harmony Gold._
too late
I'm starting to lean towards Harmony Gold being a money laundering/criminal outfit. Otherwise, why would they not come to some agreement already?
About a decade or so ago, ADV Films (back when they still existed, but that's another story) released an English version of Macross based on its original form, not the Robotech rewrite. I had gone to AnimeExpo and actually had the chance to speak to the ADR Director Matt Greenfield (I still wanna call him Hyuga, to this very day, LOL). I had asked him about the Macross movie "Do You Remember Love" and if they had plans to dub that one too, and he told me plainly that not only would it be impossible due to how Harmony Gold has a death grip on the copyrights (it was already a nightmare to do the series itself, legally), but because of all that Harmony Gold has done, Japan has basically forbidden any Western English dubs of the movie. That is when I gave up on HG entirely.
Adv did a better job.
@@dwainsimmons3447 Technically, ADV did the ONLY job. The movie dub was basically done by those who didn't know English.
I wouldn't have known about anime or Macross if not for Robotech. That being said, Macross is by far one of my favorite animes and it makes me sick that HG has gone this far to protect something that otherwise could be making them money. I also grew up playing Battletech. Pheonix Hawk was and still is one of my favorite mechs. I was glad to see a revamp in the Project Pheonix book but went many years just living on tech readouts that were old and falling apart just to have it. Robotech was the reason I got into battletech.
I hope some how they collapse in the near future. That way we can see both a good Robotech reboot or continuation and still get Macross.
So I was reading more into Tatsunko extending the Harmony Gold's license on this article site, and I found this neat little comment that I think was worth reposting:
"Not a Lawyer but, I read the article and it seems to be promising. It states that “In 2017 the upholding of the license agreement made it clear Big West still owns those 41 characters designs and Tatsunoko owns the commercial rights to the Macross series.” so it looks to me like Tatsunoko made it clear to HG that they (Tatsunoko) owns Macross with BIG WEST owning the character designs. So HG still gets the commercial release rights in US but ONLY to the original Macross series which is repackaged as Robotech. IF I’m right in my assumptions HG got smacked down HARD! Rumor has it that Tatsunoko and BIG WEST were pissed at HG for basically claiming that they owned Macross and everything in Robotech so they would’ve clarified the original agreement which WASN’T written on a napkin (how dumb do HG think we are?) so that HG wasn’t crapping all over the ACTUAL copyright holders. I just hope that people start bringing Macross into the west now, I want Zero, Seven, Frontier and Delta subbed in HD on Blu-Ray NOW!"
Maybe Harmony Gold will in fact make subs after all?
www.sarna.net/news/harmony-gold-resurrects-itself-once-more-and-regains-rights-to-robotech-license/
In a sane world this would be correct but Harmony Gold continues to sit on anything remotely associated with SDF Macross. For example, Max is captain on Macross 7 (captain of Battle 7) so HG continues to prevent M7 from being released.
Song in the background called After 5 Clash by Toshiki Kadomatsu.
Not a Robotech fan
Still hate Harmony Gold for screwing with Battletech!
Well FASA were no angels either at that time. All HG did was back Playmates when FASA went after them for copyright on Playmates trying to use a Mad Cat design for their Exo Squad line...
LAMs were lame anyway
HG renewed thei contract with Tatsunoko in 2019 past the original 2021 expiration date, but Frank Agrama is 90 years old. I think that as soon as he dies his descendants will sell the rights....
Yay, he’ll just die at some point. I’m cautiously hopeful that Harmony Gold must be acquired by Funimation and Sony Pictures in the near future when the CoVid pandemic is over.
April, 9th 2021
It's over! It's finally over! The legal battles have came to an unexpected end.
For me
Macross will be more famous or probably one of the most famous anime on its Genre
If Harmomy Gold Didn't get the License and The original Macross anime got released at America
As of now I'm proud that the macross fandom is increasing after the license between Harmony Gold and big west(as I remember) Got expired
Now there are more Macross Videos in YT now
You can count battletech funs too in there, the original battletech had several mechs that came from the macross franchise and they got the license to use them in their games from tatsunoko production.
Every since then every time something from battletech even features one of those iconic mechs it gets shut down by harmony gold with copyright strikes, mechwarrior 5 had to be cancelled because in the trailer they showed one of those mechs.
And the funny thing?
They don't even OWN those characters, they have a dubious ownership over a derivated work in which they are represented, but people don't have money to fight them in court so they get away with it.
Which according to this video weren't Tatsunoko's to sell... Seems pretty clear that Harmony Gold believe or at least want to act like they have rights to the characters and designs but Tatsunoko only had distribution rights... hardly the same thing.
But the real shame is that Carl Macek (a) didn't grab Orguss instead of Mospeada and (b) never thought to simply say the shows were "thematically linked", like the Final Fantasy series. I can't help but imagine all three Super Dimensional series having aired in the West intact without re-naming or re-writing, and without the legal BS...
I guess we wouldn't have gotten Sentinels then though...
refrigeraptor That's Awful! HG act like they own all things Mecha! What's next they regurgatate something about Transformers again??
@@artemusprine Yet it was Tatsunokos right to sell the rights of macros outside of Japan. He was stupid to try to sell those rights twice.
When you start your video off with a city pop song you already have my heart. Instant sub!
Video made over 3 years ago still rings true today. Please don't support of buy anything that even has a hint of their name connected with it.
THE MUSIC IN THIS DOCUMENTERY IS FUNKY. I WANT TO PLAY IT IN MY HOUSE & IN MY CAR!!
Love the background music.So 1980s!
Why cant Harmony Gold just go away? They're truly a plague on the Fans.
Harmony Gold is actually worse than 4Kids!
Because Capitalism....
As long as someone is making money and not doing it illegally (regardless of how morally reprehensible it is) nobody can do a damned thing about it
Macross is a good anime series. Too
Bad we can’t get the new stuff.
I like Macross and Mospeada....I hate Robotech and all things Harmony Gold.
Awesome video. Interviewed Shoji Kawamori a while back during Macross Frontier (great guy). I hope this all gets settled so they can officially release in the US.
studio nue and shoji kawamori are laughing at their office because its already 2017 and harmony gold still milking the same designs of Valkyrie fighters over and over again like its the only thing that can save their crying asses...while shoji and his team has done so many macross series and mking unique concept of transforming valks in every series and movies for many years hahaha XD eat mud harmony gold you wont find a much better mechanical designer as shoji kawamori
i know its sad. i will say that i love VF-1S no matter what. i like the old look more it feels real. the new ones are nice. it just doesnt seem 80s mecha style like what i grew up with. i love zeta gundam, macross 2 and plus era of mecha
kastreya . Shoji Kowamori is god to all mecha fans, including your truly having met him in Japan during Jafcon 2,001 it's like marvel fans meeting Stan Lee, and when I ask him on what you think about American comic books the very first word that came out of his mouth was Stan Lee, and I nearly fainted that a mans with such legendary stature idolize Stan Lee, and when I ask Stan Lee about Robotech Macross at the San Diego Comic con in 2,0012 greatest show to ever to come out of Japan not since Speed Racer which he use to watch during the 70s god I love being an Otaku.
Kawamori brought down Macross with Delta though. Too many OP idols that can take on the valks by themselves and even zero Itano Circus.
Man, I really do enjoy collecting Macross mecha series like VF-0 Phoenix, VF-11 Thunderbolt and VF-1 Valkyrie because it's available outside North America regions 😂 meanwhile HG still stick with same old shit concept but it's really hurt for American fans right now. Just hang on there till year 2021.
From what I have learned Harmony Gold was contracted to bring Macross to a world wide audience. Harmony Gold didn't buy the rights to anything.
It makes me gag when people pronounce it "Mick-ross" like its irish or something... "Mack-ross" please.
I hear it usually as either "MACK-ross", which I'm most used to, or "Muh-cross"...
Neither sound exactly like the Japanese "MAH-KU-ROH-SU"...
/\'Cypheir ik he can't pronounce it right and it makes me cringe so hard
The fast pronunciation of it is Muh-cross. However, the Macross II OVA had characters saying Mac-ross.
@@sicksaiyan1484 Most importantly, these Muh-Cross purists are still butthurt about Robotech which of course pronounces it Mack-Ross.
Mack-ross not the Gaelic Mc Ross or the Scottish MacRoss like this guy says it.
I love all the citypop songs used in the background of this video!
Last time I checked Harmony Gold said that robotech: shadow rising was in production back in 2008 but they abandoned that since then. The original plan for the show was going a group of pilots were tasked to find Rick Hunter
They don't have the money or the support from publishers or consumers, many (including myself) gave the BIG THANKS to Harmony Gold for creating Robotech, but that's the end of the relationship. The last good thing that the company did was fighting alongside the crew who developed the mini series "Valkyrie Project" against Big West's "I don't give a fuck if it is a fan film... it'll be canceled ASAP" :/
I am certain if any live-action Robotech actually happens, it will not involve anything remotely Macross, and will instead be focused more around the Mospeada side of things. But even with nothing remotely Macross in it, they will still try and claim "look, see? We're using it, so we get to renew again"
And somehow they got their license renewed last year....I Wish someone could explain that because I see no sense in it.
What I like about Macross' mecha design is that they all look believable and familiar in plane form. The VF-1 looks like a Tomcat, the VF-25 looks like a F-18 and the VF-19 looks like the SU-47.
The VF-4 was my favorite. I always love the twin-boom design
It's really unfortunate that the rights to such an awesome franchise fell into such a shitty company in the west. And it's such a missed opportunity. If Macross Frontier was brought here I am almost certain it would have been the next Gundam Wing in terms of popularity and bringing forth a resurge in interest in anime.
HG was GRANTED the right to use the SDF Macross TV footage by Tatsunoko.
Please get off your high horse, do some reading, and step back into reality instead of being a fanboy. You LOOK RIDICULOUS to adults and anybody that's read about this case. Damning Carl Macek (RIP) or even Harmony Gold doesn't change the fact that TATSUNOKO HAS THE LEGAL INTERNATIONAL DISTRIBUTION RIGHTS to SDF Macross (TV)!
And FYI, I wouldn't count on the rest of Macross being that popular in the US. Have you actually SEEN those shows? Half of them are crap! Gundam has a better percentage of decent shows! The best part of Macross is STILL the original series BY FAR, and as the most popular portion of the franchise it gets the most new models, statues, and toys. The last series, Macross Delta, was a joke. It's an idol series aimed at very little kids and it's the third or fourth time the original VF-1 design was recycled and altered for a Macross sequel series so even the mecha design stinks!
Anime in the West is doing just fine without the original Macross.
They sold about as many Macross DVD sets as could be expected through AnimEigo's mail program in 2000. I think I heard around 10,000 sets might have been sold which is pretty darn good for the US anime industry. It was a good number of pre-orders. ADV did a later release of the SDF Macross TV series on DVD with a dub but ADV's release of SDF Macross was a HUGE sales dud and the English dub for that release has been disavowed since. It WASN'T a very good dub and the Japanese audio on that DVD release was VERY tinny which is a shock because the AnimEigo DVD release had EXCELLENT audio quality... The ADV DVD release of Robotech was probably one of that company's biggest sellers in its entire history and FAR OUTSOLD ADV's Macross release and probably AnimEigo's set, too. It did VERY well for them and revived Robotech for a short while before ADV's rights expired and HG granted the Robotech home video rights to A&E.
Macross 7 couldn't even be licensed in the mid-1990s because of all the record company deals. Whoever licensed that show would have to deal with the Japanese record companies, too, if they wanted to keep the original audio track intact and NOBODY wanted to deal with that crap!
By the late 1990s, it was obvious Big West no longer wanted to deal with any Western video companies because of the LOUSY CO-PRODUCTION AGREEMENT Studio Nue made with Tatsunoko back in the early 1980s! Big West and Studio Nue lost a TON of potential licensing money they could have earned from Robotech and that money went to Tatsunoko who Big West later sued. The guys who founded Studio Nue didn't know how to run a productioncompany and were always short on cash. They made a co-production agreement with Tatsunoko in exchange for an infusion cash and MUCH-NEEDED production assistance and guidance from Tatsunoko which had been around for 20 years by the time Studio Nue was started. Those naive young guys AGREED to let Tatsunoko have the international distribution rights to SDF Macross without A) putting a limit on the length of time that Tatsunoko would keep those distribution rights and B) placing a legal demand for Studio Nue to be recognized as the creators of Macross IN THE CREDITS for Robotech!
The legal matter of Macross ownership and distribution was decided years ago in Japanese court. When the Tokyo court ruled on the distribution rights for SDF Macross (TV), they split the rights between Tatsunoko Productions and Studio Nue. Tatsunoko kept worldwide distribution (outside of Japan; in Japan Big West/Studio Nue control ALL the Macross franchise) to SDF Macross TV ONLY... The rest of the Macross franchise AND the character and vehicle designs for SDF Macross are still controlled by Big West/Studio Nue. That Robotech movie HG is developing won't look ANYTHING like Macross because they're not allowed to use the Macross vehicle designs unless they pay a licensing fee to Studio Nue and they won't do that!
If anything, it's Big West that is SCREWING THEMSELVES out of money. They have been approached by different companies to license other parts of the Macross franchise but all Western video companies have been TURNED DOWN for at least the last 25 years!!! AnimEigo wanted to license "Do You Remember Love" and release it in North America but the BW company rep wouldn't even talk to them because he was completely biased against Western companies. That rep was a COLOSSAL IDIOT. AnimEigo is NOT Harmony Gold or Celebrity Entertainment (the company that licensed Do You Remember Love in the 1980s and edited it into Clash of the Bionoids for VHS release in the US; btw, the Japanese supervised the English dub of DYRL which is why Bionoids sucks. The English dub sucked even before it was edited!!!). AnimEigo went through legal routes and ended up at HG's doorstep because THEY were Tatsunoko's reps for SDF Macross (TV) in North America. And that's how that story ended up with the 2000 release of Macross TV on DVD in the US...
How could you call yourself a true Macross fan, if you don't like the OVAs and the sequels?!! You're a fake fan at that and, only liking the original SDF Macross and the movie only. Harmony Gold and Big West are to blame, but Harmony Gold is the culprit, since they took the US rights of all the Macross license to prevent the release of Macross for more than 30 years now. Big West won't license Macross sequels and OVAs to Harmony Gold with their name on it, as a huge middle finger to them. Because of them, Best West doesn't trust Western companies anymore after all those legal snarls OR Harmony Gold doesn't want any Western anime distribution company to release any Macross series. @@AvengerII
@@TaedarVulpine Are you FUCKING KIDDING ME?!?
You have to be a MORON to support shit!!!! SDF Macross and DYRL are BY FAR the most popular parts of the Macross franchise!!!
The only sequel that isn't a partial remake and actually has an original story is Macross Plus and it's a good show!
Where the hell did you read that I only liked SDF Macross and DYRL? I liked Macross Plus quite a bit and thought some of Zero decent but Macross 7 and Delta ARE CRAP!!!! Those shows WOULD NEVER do well in the West because the tastes of anime fans in the West and Japan are NOT the same on everything.
Cowboy Bebop and Outlaw Star BOMBED in Japan but they did well in the US.
Gurren Lagann was a thing in Japan for a while but it didn't sell that well in the US... Most giant robot shows come and go without making much impact on the US. Bandai has had limited success with Gundam but that niche market, especially overseas, has been supported mainly by the toy and model kit sales.
You have to have NO TASTE to support everything in a franchise that's gone on for 30+ years! is all of Macross great, is all of Gundam good? NO, of course not! All these franchises have crap shows that frankly aren't worth buying. If somebody wants to license a show that will lose money, that's up to them but it doesn't mean the fans are going to buy those shows!!!
Macross II was a HUGE bust. Delta I suppose did okay in Japan but nobody talked about it much in the West and most of us who did see it thought it was crap from episode one.
So, I'm supposed to automatically love everything and NOT have any taste, waste my time on purile shit?
God, you're a moron and not worth talking if that's gonna be your attitude!
Datalanche you suck
Harmony Gold must dissapear. We want Macross 30 eng patch for free and PS4 remaster in eng, spanning from Zero to Delta...
I met Shoji Kawamori in person. He is really a cool guy T_T
As a big fan of Macross I think that this series was baned from western countries because there is a political message in the series. Recently I was reading that the main wars in the world are the psycho war and the main main war in the world is the cultural war. Then as a Macross fan I think this series the main theme of all Macross universe series talk about cultural war. I really don't know much about politics but I watch this relation. It's not easy to watch this two aspects in the Macross series but it's more evident to watch in in "Macross 2" it's a 5 chapter series where the main character is a journalist, suddenly he finds how the government banned the true about the war, and the alien enemy control his soldiers by psycho music same as humans use Minmei to produce a cultural shock to the enemy. But my main idea of the Macross series is that different cultures can be friends, just need to learn about each other cultures and understand that our governments control our presentation to fight vs other cultures. All the people in Macross series want peace, even aliens people want peace, but governments don't want it. This message I think is very powerful for me. I don't know too much about politics, I'm just a Macross fan.
The idea of a war being fought because of culture. Would never have worked in the us.
Harmony Gold is the Devil of Anime distribution.
Can't wait for 2021 when the rights revert.
Harmony Gold renegotiated and will retane the rights for another 20 years.
@@jtank7107 A Pox on Harmony Gold and all their descendants!!
@@danielhaire6677 lol. Yup
Daniel Haire so you don’t like robotech
@@brianstabile165 Loved it. Just hate HG for blocking US access to the full Macross franchise out of greed.
I really love this anime since 1980's ..
Robotech and Harmony Gold.
But i still love the Robotech series anyway
typical: an american company fucks up distribution of a japanese anime, and even fucks up the anime's story as well as gives it a terrible dub..... not that I am really surprised.
same goes for games, manga, and music in anime/games
From what I understand is that due to all the problems Harmony (or DIS-Harmony) Gold has done they lost the rights to Macross/Robotech because in the Mech Warrior Online/Parana Games were able to put out the "Unseen" Mechs which were a lot of the designs that FASA corp had originally gotten permission from the creator of the designs used in Robotech/Macross to use for their Mech designs. But HG being the pricks they were/are they filed a law suit against FASA and being pretty new FASA agreed to stop using them. So when they (Harmony Gold) lost the rights Parana Games was able to release them in MWO.
What needs to happen is for Robotech to somehow get divorced from the source material. Its possible! Just look at Voltron. Wildly popular remake that aside from the very very base concept, has nothing to do with the original Go-Lion!
Nah, that won't work. That wold just create another bit of a headache. What needs to be done is for Robotech to be divorced from Harmony Gold or someone divorce HG from its currents owners.
I think we've all come far enough at this point that the various add-ons and extensions of Macross could be brought over in translated form and used as they are. It wouldn't be worth the hassle to offer a translated/dubbed version of the original Macross, because there's only modest alteration in practice from the story as used in Robotech.
Not to mention they already brought the original unedited subtitled SDFMacross over in both VHS(Streamline), and DVD(AnimEgo) form. Of course, that was over 15 years ago. Almost 25 in the VHS's case.
Robotech was made from 3 seperate & unrelated series.
@@POPNDOUGH
as well the ADV release (and new dub) of SDF Macross back in the late '00s
The only Macross show I watched was Robotech and I always wondered why it never got a reboot now I know why
Love your use of City Pop in the background, more specifically "If You Wanna Dance Tonight". X3
Good ear! What's more City Pop than Macross? =D
Let's cut out the middle courts and go for the Supreme Court and the International Court and see where that goes.
HARMONEY STOLD is what the company should be called!
There was some kind of similar reason about why Robotech: The Movie was never released officially in USA also.
It actually was interesting because it showed yet another way of how, taking the same scenes of Southern Cross that we already know about, they made yet another story line.
HG can rot in hell. I’m still dirty about the N64 game crystal dreams never seeing the light of day. Imagine some of the epic games that could have been made off the back of macross/ robotech along with movies, etc
Nice Japanese Boogie selection
Y'know.. When I was a kid, I had absolutely no idea Macross Plus and Robotech were in any way related.. It wasn't until college that I started looking up old crap about that on the internet..
But at that point I had still only watched Macross Plus and only heard about Robotech.. Initially assuming it was just some poorly handled dub of the original Macross nobody liked...
Fast forward to.. well.. this year actually.. And only now have I bothered to actually watch Robotech on Netflix, and upon being stunned by it's sheer badness... I dug deeper online and discovered all the gory details of what Harmony Gold did... And.. Good gawd do I hate them...
the rights to macross revert back to tatsunoko in 2021. Harmony Gold has 4 years to make a live action robotech movie. it may suck...
on the OTHER hand...
Sony now owns the rights to a robotech movie. sony is a japanese company. wouldnt it be nice for them to team up with tatsunoko and make a true MACROSS movie...with the power of hollywood behind it...possibly some chinese money too (even though the chinese have a fake version of macross)
I don't think Sony and/or Tatsunoko would be in the mood to help Harmony Gold in any way, shape or form. They're probably thinking that it'd be much better to let the clock run out on HG's hold on Macross. Then in 2022 or 2023 they can make their move on putting together a proper Macross movie.
CookyMonzta thats what i JUST said...
I heard they got their license extended...
@@comradefreedom8275 Yep. It's sad. That SONY movie is never going to happen. The Clownfish TV interview with their head of NDA's pretty much dashed any hope of Macross or even Robotech doing anything.
@@JasonStevens Macross is basically trapped within Asia and Robotech is a dead horse that Harmony Gold wants to keep milking to make money off of just a handful of nostalgia-addicts. Why don't they see this?
Clue me in again on one thing, based on what I've been watching here and reading in the comments and elsewhere: Harmony Gold's copyright on 'Macross' expires in 4 years, yes? And they've had plans at one time or another to make a live-action Macross or Robotech film (similar to 'Ghost in the Shell') before then, no?
If Harmony Gold's hold on Macross expires in 2021, do ALL of whatever rights they had on Macross revert back to Shoji Kawamori and Tatsunoko? And quite frankly, I don't think they will EVER make it in time (that is, before 2021) to release a live-action Macross movie. They're spending all of their money on lawyers, and given the scandals and corruption they've been involved in, I don't think they have nearly enough money to make such a film with the big budget that it's going to require...
...Besides, the last thing they made of any sort of quality (yet highly controversial) was the original 'Shaka Zulu'. They've basically freeloaded for the last 2 decades on the success of Macross. Cut and paste is all they are good at. I went looking for 'Lensman' (first presented in Japan in 1984) at eBay in 2000, and there were 2 VHS versions; the heavily-edited Harmony Gold version from 1988, and the unedited Streamline version from 1990, the same version televised in 1992 by SYFY (formerly the Sci-Fi Channel). Fortunately, I chose the right one, and it still sits in my video collection, waiting for me to transfer to DVD because Streamline went belly-up in 2002. [By the way, I have read all 7 of Doc Smith's original 'Lensman' novels.]
Now, we all wait for Harmony Gold to buy the farm. If they can't make a live-action Macross in the next 4 years, they probably will. Then again, if they try to rush the project, it is highly likely they will cut corners with the shoestring budget they will likely have, and it will flop, and that too will be the end for HG...
...And just in time for Macross' 40th Anniversary.
Alas no. H G contract got renewed for another 20 years.
@@thunberbolttwo3953 When the fuck did this happen? And who the fuck would be that stupid to extend a contract to that scandal-ridden company, one that is likely to go belly-up within the next 5 years, depending on the shit I heard the last time I posted anything here?
@@CookyMonzta The original contract was in the early 80s. It got renewed in the lat 3 years.
@@CookyMonzta Whats lol funny to me. is that Tatsunoko thought he copuld sell the rights first to H G . Then to Fasa. That is greed and arogant and stupid.
@@thunberbolttwo3953 I just read the details from last year's *Anime News Network* report. The contract doesn't specify how long; which means that "well into the future" could potentially mean _another _*_35_* years!
We're talking *2054* here! I'll be close to _90_ or *dead* by then! HG has either been teetering on bankruptcy or riding the razor's edge toward a court-ordered liquidation for various improprieties for 15 years now! Just how bad was Tatsunoko's financial situation for them to make this deal with the devil?
This is disgusting in so many ways; one being that I can't imagine them doing any sort of justice to _Robotech_ with the movie they have planned. If they can't come up with a decent preview, let alone the whole product, within the next 2 years, then it's quite likely that they've been pulling everyone's leg since 2017 (if not earlier). If they attempt to go big-budget and it flops hard (which I believe it will), it'll bankrupt HG. Again, Tatsunoko can buy back the rest of the rights to the original Macross for the price of a Lamborghini.
Fortunately, I bought a DVD collection of the original Macross series 12 years ago (quite probably considered unauthorized now), and I have both versions of Macross Plus on DVD in their original North American packages (all English dubbed). The Macross II series (assuming a DVD is available for the series, as opposed to the movie) costs a big penny at eBay.
I got to ask again six years later what’s the music in this video
If Harmony Gold had tried to release Macross first on this decade, I don't think the USA TV syndication rule of over 50-60 episodes (5-7 per week) would have been problem, because they could've just released SFD Macross and the sequels on Netflix without need to turn the franchise into Robotech via cut&paste-adaption.
There was a gamecube robotech game and it used some of the Harmony Gold voices.
The audio is a mixing mess. I recommend CC.
Haven't watched the video yet, but I can predict the main reason is Harmony Gold squatting on the rights.
I just wandered in from the Transformers fandom. And the Jetfire character is mixed up in all of this due to the original tu being redecoed from a Macross Valkyrie.
And the ire of us BattleTech fans too!
Luckily the most recent lawsuit between Harmony Gold and BattleTech (Catalyst Game Labs, Piranha Games, and Harebrained Schemes) has been settled, and appears the be in BattleTech's favor.
Mechs like the Marauder and Warhammer are still in MWO and BT Tabletop and are being used to promote Mechwarrior 5: Mercs. HBS said that the mechs will also make an appearance in the BattleTech computer game after the Urban Warfare Expansion.
I know this isn't too anime related, but I figure people would just be happy to hear when Harmony Gold seems to have been knocked down a peg.
hahaha razorfist did a great rant about Harmony Gold that you all should see.
As a kid I really didn't care about the 'legalities' involved when it came to the series. I just simply enjoyed the story and animation. Life was way simpler and enjoyable back then.
Today's generation won't be able to comprehend the character build up leading to a long story line. Anyone and everyone who grew up as a kid in the 80's know how STORY Telling is by far the most important aspect when it comes to any show and movie.
Well, Despite the news of Robotech planning to go live action, due to Big West owning the Intellectual Property of the Designs, Sony cannot use them. I think even using the 3-mode transformation would get them into hot water.
Remember the last work that HG did, the Shadow Chronicles, They used Mospeada Mecha because that was owned by Tatsunoko and not Big West. Also the lack of Zentradi is another. They actually killed them off as well as the rest of the Macross Characters.
So for them reimagining the Macross series would take great creativity. The only reason that they can do comics was because it is considered merchandise. But any movie or TV series that they make that gets derivatives from Macross will get them sued.
I love your use of After 5 Clash.
Great video. I may be one of the few people that actually like both the Original Macross and Robotech. I do respect Macek's original intentions regarding Macross and the subsequent creation of the Robotech series, but I do despise HG for their stupidity and greed. I honestly wish I could run HG and set the record straight with us fans, by this I mean, Macek had no intention of depriving us, anime fans, of Macross, he just wanted to bring more anime to us in the US. Unfortunately to do that, he was forced to take some steps which HG is now misguidedly exploiting in order to get as much cash as they can, you know, the legal stuff. HG is more than misguided, they are illogical and nonsensical regarding their attempts and by doing that, they have killed Robotech in the process. I guess HG did first what New Lucasfilm/Disney and CBS are now doing with Star Wars and Star Trek, each company trying to satisfy their God, Greed, by sacrificing their most loved franchises. It is incredible that this is happening. I wish Macek's legacy is cleared soon and Macross fans understand that it was not him responsible for what's happening with HG.
Missing the part where that American judge overreached and gave Harmony rights they werent entitlted to or how the series isnt being exported because several of the owners dont actually have to give Harmony anything despite that ruling or how a 3rd owner is giving Harmony enough that the deal hasnt expired yet
A little late to this party, but I have wondered, when anime is extreamly hot in the west, no other company, hell even some subsidiary of Disney, Time Warner, or Turner, have not just dropped the cash and told Harmony Gold to get lost. Thus reopening distribution of the Macross franchise.
It is in US on DVD, isn't it? Best alien anime ever!
How on Earth are you pronouncing it wrong? maCROSS. It's MAcross.
If you want to get literal about it, its pronounced MaKuRoss, but since we pronounce things like Tokyo wrong, as well as the made up word "Japan", there is a matter of how words are pronounced in English to consider
i agree! its popularly pronounced as MAcross..this video would have been much better if he said it like Mahkross ... not like McCross.... (now i craving for some McDonalds 🤣)
Maybe he played lacrosse?
being watching this on TV since 80's b4 dukes of hazard lol channel 13
On the bright side Harmony Gold will apparently lose the rights in 2021. I read they do have trademarks until 2022 but that can be effected by the license expiring. I find it more interesting though that Harmony Gold apparently signed a two movie deal yet they only have the license for two more years. Doesn't look like we'll have to suffer a live action version that will suck
In the 1980s or 1990s, I purchased ROBOTECH RPG; which, was an Outerspace Sci-Fi Genre RPG based on the PALLADIUM's Meta-Genre RPG Rules System.
The book said that ROBOTECH and MACROSS SAGA were the same; but, just branded differently in the USA and Japan.
Based on what I have been seeing on UA-cam, I guess that was a lie.
If Harmony Gold hadn't purchased Macross, we wouldn't have Robotech.
Why Harmony Gold...just why ??
Well,.... despite all their bad, they did bring macross to the USA is some form or another. Made this person a fan at 9 yrs old who used to wake up at 4:30 in the morning to just catch the show from a fuzzy UHF channel from Philadelphia. There was some positive that came from it.
Like many of you, I grew up watching some of the greats. Star Blazers, Mazinger Z, Battle of the Planets, etc. But when Robotech first premiered in 1985, I fell in love with Anime. ( We used to call it Japanimation! ) After watching Robotech in syndication, I began collecting the VHS releases which only had 2 episodes per tape & they were not cheap! After Robotech, I looked for anything that was Japanese. So in a way, I must give many thanks to Harmony Gold for introducing us to the world of Macross. Having said that, I think that what Harmony Gold has been allowed to get away with for decades now, is a great injustice! I'm just hoping that after the contract expires in 2021, we'll finally get Macross again in North America!
Oddly enough, Revell [the model company] and Hasbro [duh] are also partially to blame [or where in the beginning] for the licensing circus that came of this.
Revell is a great company, they were the ones who made the Robotech name with mecha model kits imported from Japan. It was going to be a tie-in to a DC comic, but that was cancelled after 2 issues.
I figured there was some political dispute, but boy, didn't know it went that far.
I also figured that it was because if Macross was ever to be dubbed, they'd have to make english covers of all the songs because music is such a central theme with the franchise. Alas, nowadays when animes are dubbed now its only given the bare minimum with the dialogue.
Instant thumbs up for city pop and future funk soundtrack of the video! :D
2 words. Harmony Gold
I really hope harmony gold goes out of business because of this pandemic in the meantime they’re not getting any of my money I recommend everyone do the same, the only way we can get Macross officially in the west is if HG goes out of business and have no choice but to sell the rights on international distribution outside of Asia.
All I can say 2019 in the year... I was just at a SDFM convention , everyboody was talking about it .
As a Rabid Macross/Robotech Fan I didn't know this.
Whats the song used in the video?
Simple answer. Yes, rights being primary. But seriously, only Macross Plus has been the only iteration that is worthwhile. Thankfully that release was handled by another company other than HG.
Harmony gold almost got their hands on dragon ball too. If that happened we might have never seen any other shonen anime reach the states ever
they have also filed suite against harebrained for battle tech
Back in the
days of the planned release of the Toycom Macross Plus toys, HG's
tactics were to bully small toy retailers to assert and reinforce their
rights to all things Macross outside of Japan. The hypocrisy is that
they went after small retailers (die hard fans like me) who didn't move much of any Macross
product stateside while other larger retailers (who imported toys in container size batches) were left alone.
I think that originally, before Robotech and Harmony Gold, they wanted the series to be known to the US like Gundam.
I may be wrong, but Harmony Gold would be forced to relinquish all their rights by 2021, four years from now, due to being found partially/fully breaching the original contract with Tatsunoko. I don't know if this would have an effect on the Macross franchise but lets not get our hopes up too soon.
That information for the above paragraph is according to this link: tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Anime/Robotech
Basically 4-3 years from now. If this is going to allow Macross to open its doors to the world again, so be it. And I said "IF".
A show basically about vehicles, mecha, speed, driving, flying, technology....
and giants. Just censor the parts with Dana. You can almost hear the studios ready to buy out HG.
I cautiously hope Sony Pictures will buy it someday, a few years after its pending acquisition of Crunchyroll from Warner Bros. It already has problems with its former fans, but luckily, because the oldest Sony division is Japanese, the former’s employees will learn and must learn from their mistakes and get over them, so they’ll fire the notorious Agrama family into bankruptcy.
I love the Dreamcast intro!
Live action Robotech movie? Fuck that! I won't touch anything with Harmony Gold's name on it.
Btw you got the date wrong on when Kawamori went to anime expo, it was 2016.
This needs a bit of updating.
All good points
I recognize this mechs from battle tech. Looks like battletech was another avoidance or ripp of. Bit literaly there is Marauder, Archer, hammer, and ofc Wasp is a rip of those fighters.
I got Soured on MACROSS it turned into a Pseudo - Magical Girl Anime.
1980s...I was a kid back then who really got interested in mecha anime after watching Robotech, Gobots, and Transformers. Is these legal battles over Macross/Robotech worth it even in these times? Is Macross/Robotech even relevant in these times. If ever Super Dimensional Fortress Macross (the start of it all) will finally be brought back to life and continue its legendary run, whether be rebooted, remaked or continued (as long as its canon -- which is what matters most), in animation or live action, will it be worth it? I hope so...and even dreamed that it will be just as successful like the Transformers franchise, to give more tribute to both the Japanese and American people who dubbed and gave life to this legendary show. In spite of the not so perfect dubbing, sometimes not so good and inconsistent drawings, it was a story told that kids those times can appreciate visually and they will love when they grow old. This anime just paved the way and has touched and inspired so many lives...