Kay Redfield Jamison: Understanding Suicide

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  • Опубліковано 12 кві 2015
  • Kay Redfield Jamison gives a stirring lecture about suicide.

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  • @user-ty6do8yz4l
    @user-ty6do8yz4l 2 роки тому +16

    I so admire those who followed through. Nothin cowardly about it. People who say the suicidal are cowards, clearly haven't had the barrel in their mouths...

    • @johnrichardson7280
      @johnrichardson7280 2 роки тому +2

      As someone who suffers from constant pain, I can appreciate your thought. I do worry, however, that you may do something rash.

  • @bigtimetraderjaquay8321
    @bigtimetraderjaquay8321 6 років тому +44

    it's just a matter of time for me to end this horrible life

    • @christiankane5802
      @christiankane5802 4 роки тому

      Yeah if you can, give some therapists a try. I decided to go to therapy for my family members, not myself. Try some lexapro or other SSRIs. Its amazing the combination to two can have.

    • @ayatollahofarocknrolla403
      @ayatollahofarocknrolla403 4 роки тому +2

      I know exactly what you mean

    • @jimmurphy9904
      @jimmurphy9904 4 роки тому

      Totally

    • @lukaskaltenmaier3808
      @lukaskaltenmaier3808 4 роки тому

      @Roberto Insingo fuck you ignorant piece of shit

    • @dannyp.9409
      @dannyp.9409 4 роки тому

      @@lukaskaltenmaier3808 ahahaha. Good one
      me too. I'M ABOUT TO TAKE MY OWN ALSO

  • @malgorzatamaher9700
    @malgorzatamaher9700 Рік тому +7

    What a lovely lecture, what a lovely person to share so openly and honestly. Loved it.

  • @TheBipolarOg
    @TheBipolarOg 5 років тому +12

    This video was so incredibly honest, helpful, insightful & true. As one with Bipolar for almost 30 years, suicide has been an unfortunate reality in my life. I have remained on medication for the past 5 years and it has drastically improved my life. Your knowledge and expertise in this area have been a major part of my success. Thank you.

  • @robertheck6747
    @robertheck6747 4 роки тому +19

    I been told that I'm being selfish when someone you love dies. Because l still wanted to spend time with them. Yet when we speak to suicide, we're being selfish. If you are entertaining the idea of suicide. It's because the pain of living so overwhelming. I always respect someone's decision to end their life. Sometimes the pain is too great.

    • @robertheck6747
      @robertheck6747 3 роки тому +2

      @Fred Farkle I had a good friend who committed suicide. Ever since then, I've paid a lot of attention to the reason why people who have taken their own lives. I actually have chronic pain myself, sometimes the depression that comes with it, can overwhelm you. I guess in light of these events, I pay more attention to anyone who talks about suicide.

    • @DISASTROPHOLOGY
      @DISASTROPHOLOGY 3 роки тому

      You ALWAYS respect their decision? I don’t think you would feel that way if they decided to do it in front of you basically blaming you and making you the villain of their life. This happened to me after spending 5 years with my suicidal boyfriend. Dozens of times I talked him off his motorcycle or a gun out of his hand. He refused to get help and/or medication and left this world owing me a large sum of money. I cannot respect that and am still kicking myself for giving him so much of me. However after all is said and done I am grateful my daughter and I are still alive. I would not have put it past him to take us too.

    • @robertheck6747
      @robertheck6747 3 роки тому +6

      @@DISASTROPHOLOGY Alyssa, I'm sorry for the experience you had with your boyfriend. When I mentioned that I had respect for anyone who takes their life, I was speaking from my experience with suicide. I knew someone who kept saying he was going to commit suicide, his family, in their frustration, would laugh and tell him to do it. I wasn't close to him, but every time I was thinking he was going to someday. I could see the pain he was going through. And when he finally did shoot himself, I know he thought about it for a while. I always think that maybe I could have helped him. I just think when someone talks about suicide, we should take them seriously. I'm sorry if I made you feel bad, I understand you being upset.

  • @mountaintruth1deeds533
    @mountaintruth1deeds533 4 роки тому +11

    55 now and have lost almost any reason to stick around. When a person has skills, fairly intelligent and still physically able and can't find stability it becomes impossible to see a future. Now I'm overqualified for entry level work and deemed to old for most tech positions. Down to it now, forgot I had commented here years ago.

    • @michaelcarruolo7536
      @michaelcarruolo7536 4 роки тому

      mountaintruth1 deeds call me bro. i’ll give you my number

    • @markheithorn3905
      @markheithorn3905 3 роки тому +1

      I m exactly in the same position. Recently, I did find a part time peer support job, (mental illness), in a call centre. Poor pay, but it supplements my Disability income. Also, I feel I am doing something more useful than
      making a large corporation more money.

  • @davidpearlactorteacherbizman
    @davidpearlactorteacherbizman 6 років тому +9

    I am 55, single, childless, job less, career less, living alone overseas, never married disabled, just one living brother who is very ill...Scary as fuk

    • @desserted9429
      @desserted9429 5 років тому +1

      You seem happy on the photo

    • @judygd8749
      @judygd8749 5 років тому

      David Pearl
      I would like to connect
      Please email me @ loveandcompassion19@gmail.com

    • @sulaimaanlatif6471
      @sulaimaanlatif6471 3 роки тому

      If that's you in profile pic you are a handsome guy man, especially for your age. Keep going brother you got this

    • @ryandouglas7976
      @ryandouglas7976 2 роки тому

      I hope things are going well for you David! I appreciate your post.

  • @Changz687
    @Changz687 6 місяців тому +2

    I've always said depression is like playing a game of chess against yourself and the stakes are your life

  • @mountaintruth1
    @mountaintruth1 8 років тому +49

    At 51 I just think I could disappear and my family would never know, I would just be gone. Of course with all my cross country road trips that would have been fairly straight up. The problem is when you have purpose things are doable, its when you lose purpose and reason for life that it becomes intolerable to ignore. I fight it daily in our world of meaninglessness, first thoughts were 35 years ago for me. Not a good family situation, but then everything is ahead of you at that age. Now the safety net falls away, I have never had more than recreational drugs but think I have always fought depression even through successful career and owning a business for 10 years. My parents have been offline since my teens and that is damn depressing, still alive but not really there. Few friends still alive and the ones that are have very little resemblance to the people I once knew, so there is a factor of isolation as well. Well I guess life has had a lot of reasons to be depressing, but not always so. I just see no more purpose in the current conditions of the country, unemployment is a huge factor. Trust in people is also a big problem in social networks. The loss of hope in a future is the root cause of depression.

    • @amfinta
      @amfinta 8 років тому +2

      +mountaintruth1 --- I hear you.

    • @mountaintruth1
      @mountaintruth1 8 років тому +5

      I know I(we perhaps) are not alone in feeling these things. They are not imagined as some would have us to believe. Sometimes I have thought suicide might be a quick solution to a long term problem. At some point some of us run out of reasons to continue in misery. For me, siblings and a friend, I think is the only reason I carry on. I can overlook my demise but not the pain I would cause them.

    • @FUGYOO
      @FUGYOO 7 років тому +2

      Hey mountain. There are three of us here who will be your friends. Sounds like you're focused on only your family and alleged friends. I suggest stepping outside of that. The world is full of more good people than bad. We only see more of the bad on news and social media. We only get one life in this body. Make good of it and don't let people rent space in your head. Have a blessed life and peace to you.

    • @mountaintruth1
      @mountaintruth1 7 років тому +2

      Thanks Fugyoo, you are correct and of course even in the worst of it part of me knew these things. The old saying "carry the world on your shoulders" was not working for me. I have known for some who is able to deal with the world. The illusion that truth is easy can be a deadly one, truth is very unpleasant, I think mostly because we have to lose all the junk this life can throw at us. Peace to you.

    • @FUGYOO
      @FUGYOO 7 років тому

      mountaintruth1
      Just put the left foot in front of the right. No matter how weary your feet are, how heavy that pack is, how raw your head feels from that friggin steel pot, ie the truth, you can get through it. Had I conveyed that to my son two weeks ago before he put a bullet in his head, things may be different today. However, we just have to stay the course. May you be blessed with wisdom that you need through your trying times. Peace.

  • @joaorafaeldionisio
    @joaorafaeldionisio 3 роки тому +2

    I must strees
    the courage to talk so openly about her experience withthout beiing afraid of academic peers discredit. Ive read with delight her book on bipolar and creativity. (theres a good lecture of her on the field on youtube) Shes a milestone in this field. Thank u, doc. Kay.

  • @stevesayewich8594
    @stevesayewich8594 2 роки тому +2

    At 75 yrs and suffered from severe boughts of dehydration as a result of and ileostomy on Oct 14th it has become my testament put into writing why I believe in suicide or self euthanasia. To those I love and care about their silence is deafening

  • @urbansetter1
    @urbansetter1 2 роки тому +7

    Suicide and ideation as well as addictions and mental health disorders are usually survivors of intergenerational trauma. A disconnect from self and then the universe. I survived a lot of abuse and am in programs with others who were abused in childhood. Most have ideation and some do it. You just don't become suicidal. Ppl need to start addressing this and some are. In order to help human beings need to admit they are abusive absent unaffectionate unable to validate their children. This is not rocket science.

  • @michaelshannon9169
    @michaelshannon9169 5 років тому +15

    To expect people to understand depression and suicide is too much. It's not that ppl are bad or mean, it's two things. They want to preserve their own will to live and I cant hold that against them. Second is that it requires an incredible degree of empathy. Much like asking someone how would they feel if they were in a plane crash, they know, mostly by logic, they would be terrified. But their emotional state during an actual plane crash would be insane, far beyond their logical response. Ppl have their limitations.
    Sadly with mental health issues most people are the equivalent to flat-earthers - that to be emotionally paralyzed and numb is absurd, that the reality is happiness is in ones own hands so by default you are choosing this state, that you are ungrateful, not counting ones blessings etc.

    • @florencevandermeer9447
      @florencevandermeer9447 4 роки тому

      Lots of people understand depression and suicide.

    • @michaelshannon9169
      @michaelshannon9169 4 роки тому +2

      @@florencevandermeer9447 I refer to ppl who havent experienced depression.

    • @lukaskaltenmaier3808
      @lukaskaltenmaier3808 4 роки тому +1

      And even then... It's also an ethical question. If you're planning to do it and you tell a friend, that friend now faces a MASSIVE moral dilemma; is he going to report you to the police? Or is he going to let you make the decision? I think best not involve people that are too close. If you hint at it and go through with it they will just guilt trip themselves even more.
      And then, as the friend - just trying to empathize and saying "I understand how you might think that" could be catastrophic, because the other could then conclude that their decision is indeed justified and rational. On the flip side, being judgemental in the slightest could also tip them over the edge.
      So as a suicidal person I just wouldn't burden someone with that shit.

    • @lukaskaltenmaier3808
      @lukaskaltenmaier3808 4 роки тому +1

      I mean even with professionals - they can't give you the will to live and if you show signs of active suicidality they are obliged to take your freedom from you and possibly forcibly medicate you; now, is that gonna make anyone feel better? No, and studies show that.

    • @rabbitcreative
      @rabbitcreative 7 місяців тому

      > Sadly with mental health issues most people are the equivalent to flat-earthers
      Are you saying water doesn't find its level?

  • @Tom-ym2id
    @Tom-ym2id 4 роки тому +8

    In my opinion she is the bravest brilliant creative psychiatrist and author. I keep an unquiet Mind near me at night when I get fearful if I feel like I'm getting manic I read it till I fall asleep. Could you imagine being her patient? I found a pretty good psychiatrist but when I mentioned her book he's not even interested in reading it😠😠😠😠😠 I don't understand I think that should be a mandatory book and part of the curriculum. I'm so weird I even fantasize sitting in her lectures because she saved my life.

    • @pamspencer5733
      @pamspencer5733 3 роки тому

      She did save my life with her books, before I could get help..She's a Rock 🌟

  • @filosofism
    @filosofism Рік тому +6

    Is suicide really a mental illness? I mean, society has us chasing empty commodities. I mean, the outer society worships narcissists, loves narcissists and sociopaths and hates empathetic people. I sensitive people are called weak. I said sensitivepeople feel like we have no place in the system. I wake every day I put on my work boots and I go do what I gotta do to survive, but survival is all this is. There’s no fun anymore. We’re just surviving merely to survive to work to drive the system that’s driving us into the ground. What’s the purpose of that car? So, life feels often, worthless pointless just living to work for what

    • @filosofism
      @filosofism Рік тому

      And how romantic it all seems when you actually have money. When you’re sleeping in existence it’s not so romantic

    • @filosofism
      @filosofism Рік тому

      Sorry talk to text is t kind

  • @hundun5604
    @hundun5604 5 років тому +4

    Speaking of depressive disorders. "High" dosages (200-300mg p.d.) of magnesium helped me with my depression.

  • @davidgee1048
    @davidgee1048 7 років тому +4

    A lovely expose on thoughts from a life under this type of tragic spell. As an Artist, I only wish one might consider the depressed state as a specific state of mind, and one that might serve as a fundamental state from which one might explore tangential emotional opportunities.

  • @marilucearaujo-cox5438
    @marilucearaujo-cox5438 8 місяців тому

    Very informative. Thanks.

  • @markheithorn3905
    @markheithorn3905 3 роки тому +41

    I ve heard the statement; "suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem". Well, for those of us with serious mental health issues, that statement is pretty hollow. There s nothing temporary about Bipolar, Schizophrenia, etc.

    • @sulaimaanlatif6471
      @sulaimaanlatif6471 3 роки тому +11

      Agreed, I feel many of people saying empty quotes like that simply do not understand the level of darkness and hopelessness a person with severe suicidal thoughts undergoes. It's not about a person being mentally 'weak'' or 'fragile' either it's just that they simply cannot find a way out of their current suffering and hopelessness.

    • @cybercab
      @cybercab Рік тому +1

      Yep!

    • @larry3498
      @larry3498 7 місяців тому +1

      Don’t forget loss of those we cannot live without, nothing temporary about that.

  • @veronicalawrence5725
    @veronicalawrence5725 6 років тому

    Excellent

  • @pattycake5643
    @pattycake5643 5 років тому +5

    I don't have "symptoms" my brain seams to just have a switch, life is good but on any given day, my brain just says end it today. I fight it untill it switches off again. I don't know if the Drs could help me with mine. I just keep busy and hang out with people who don't have a clue.

    • @bebeezra
      @bebeezra 5 років тому

      I'm not a doctor nor pretend to be one but that sounds like text book Bipolar 2. Obviously consult a licensed clinician to confirm.
      If so, add some lithium carbonate to your daily regime. It balances mood far better than the expensive designer prescriptions do and less side effects.

  • @michaellewis7861
    @michaellewis7861 4 роки тому +6

    Why do people begin by assuming that life is the best option and that it’s certainly better than life? What if I just don’t want to? I know it’s the highest transcendental, but there is only
    so much phenomenological potentiality.

    • @queenofnevers6990
      @queenofnevers6990 3 роки тому +3

      Honestly no one can properly explain what is wrong with suicide without bringing in religion or personal perception. Everyone will die in the end, so how it's a big deal?

    • @sweetluvgurl
      @sweetluvgurl 3 роки тому +2

      Michael Lewis I agree. I’ve wondered why it is assumed we should want to live.

    • @johanliebert2601
      @johanliebert2601 3 роки тому

      @@queenofnevers6990 check Shelly Kagan's lectures on suicide. it ain't that simple.

  • @hundun5604
    @hundun5604 5 років тому +5

    What's the % risk for severe chronic pain patients, that don't have a decent treatment for it? It must be high I guess.

  • @dankniseley9486
    @dankniseley9486 6 місяців тому

    A permant solution to a temporary problem, I have been suffering with cronic depression since I was 16 and I am 70 now. Ive attempted 3 times because the internal pain becomes so bad. I appreciate your view but its not so cut and dried, those who don't have the issue can't understand and its not that you want to hurt those you love but to release them from the worry they have for you but most of all to release the pain endured within ones self

    • @user-wb2yv7ll9d
      @user-wb2yv7ll9d 6 місяців тому +1

      "A permanent solution to a temporary problem," does not apply to many suicides. It's a pithy saying that sounds true but it's not. Many folks who end their lives are experiencing serious problems that are not temporary.

  • @rssyip
    @rssyip 4 місяці тому

    I know the when and how of mine. Just need to stay focused and move on.

  • @dionisio454
    @dionisio454 8 років тому

    Thanks for posting it Adam! By the way I have read her book 'un 'an unquiet mind' and just began 'when night fall; understandig suicide'. Yes i suffer from depression but fortunatelly today I have reasonably rare events and is not severe, thanks God and medications with the supervision of course of a psychiatrist of my confidence and empathy. My curiosity Adam is if the date of the posting of this video (april 2015 ) is the same date when the lecture above took place..if not when was it? Thanks and greetings from rio de janeiro

    • @towedarray7217
      @towedarray7217 5 років тому +1

      This was on Feb 3, 2001. The book was written in 2000 and her speaking tour was right after that. The quality and CSpan’ish nature of the video quality are the giveaway. Also the copyright of her her book. But this University of Toronto talk was on Feb 3, 2001.

    • @Dreamer-op2uh
      @Dreamer-op2uh 7 місяців тому

      I hope you are well and fully recovered. I see this in 2023
      🥹

  • @deckiedeckie
    @deckiedeckie 7 років тому +5

    Find a purpose that has a meaning FOR YOU!....I retired a few yrs ago....after 30/40 yrs of a very active working life...w/its good and bad periods...then after I retired, ...The whole thing came crashing down...Always been good at hiding it but Oh....I felt/feel it...the lack of purpose ...I exercise excessively to be busy....mostly....afterwards I just lay down....nothing to do...

    • @lukaskaltenmaier3808
      @lukaskaltenmaier3808 4 роки тому +1

      Yeah, I have the opposite problem. I can't function normally when I have to work. I'd retire immediately if I could and I'm 24

  • @bvgnjhfc
    @bvgnjhfc 4 роки тому +58

    I think it’s totally irresponsible and unethical to bring children into this world. The evils they have to deal with, along with the guilt they’re made to feel if they decide to “check out” when they’re intelligent enough to realise what a shit environment they’ve been forced into is beyond me. Foul world.

    • @johnnyjohnston9535
      @johnnyjohnston9535 3 роки тому +5

      Everything turns to shit!

    • @dianegordon5366
      @dianegordon5366 3 роки тому +3

      It’s all in your head. Thanks for not having kids.

    • @autogirl53208
      @autogirl53208 3 роки тому +6

      Sure is a foul world...i didnt ask to be born...only people that didnt ever feel depressed dont get it...just like the commenter in this thread.

    • @mrunixman1579
      @mrunixman1579 2 роки тому

      I agree with you about bringing kids in this world. When I show my nurse that note, I have called these parents "Selfish". I don't want kids.

    • @emeraldcelestial1058
      @emeraldcelestial1058 2 роки тому +7

      @@dianegordon5366 Ah yes the classic scientific phrase 'it's all in your head'

  • @kellyliu4225
    @kellyliu4225 5 років тому +3

    I’m reading her book now. She looks like princess Diana

  • @mountaintruth1deeds533
    @mountaintruth1deeds533 4 роки тому +2

    When working and engaged, and I know several trades as well as tech, I have always been ok. The lack of purpose and lack of solution dealing with family and to a degree friends, opens the door to that "black dog" and seem unable to escape that hound. It is extremely difficult living under the gloom, 40 years now and my life does not seem viable at all. I ask God for guidance and I either am not listening or silence is my answer, never the less this can't continue. I think that is how it is for so many, at 16 I had thoughts due my family situation, that's been 40 years I have functioned well and survived, and my siblings survived too. Maybe that is it and all of it...

    • @pamspencer5733
      @pamspencer5733 3 роки тому

      How are you now? Love is the answer,TLC❣️🙏🌅.Truly heals.Dogs love fiercely 🐩🐕

    • @mountaintruth1deeds533
      @mountaintruth1deeds533 3 роки тому

      @@pamspencer5733 yes I miss all my pups. Doing the best we can in this scamdemic, hope you are doing well.

  • @ldesconocido9341
    @ldesconocido9341 3 роки тому +3

    Indefensible gun policy? Actually it is very defensible. I'm not going to forgo my second amendment rights just to make you feel better, Doctor Jamison.

  • @zacharypence3853
    @zacharypence3853 2 роки тому

    Kate's such a babe.

  • @marcusleja7133
    @marcusleja7133 3 роки тому +2

    A lecture from 2000, and has much really changed? Ask Jordan Peterson.

  • @autogirl53208
    @autogirl53208 3 роки тому

    Someone coughed and she laughed...what was so funny about that?

    • @brianl3766
      @brianl3766 2 роки тому +1

      Inserting the timestamp of the cough might help you get the answer you are seeking.

    • @ritag9290
      @ritag9290 Рік тому

      Sweetie, the. laughter had nothing to do with the cough.

  • @neilhowell3083
    @neilhowell3083 3 роки тому +2

    Why do we still use the term commit suicide it's not an offense like committing murder !

    • @brianl3766
      @brianl3766 2 роки тому +1

      Apparently the shit is illegal in certain places. So, there is that.

  • @FUGYOO
    @FUGYOO 7 років тому

    26:57. Shes on this medication and she's teaching on this topic? Sounds odd to me. Not un warranted, just odd.

    • @unknown1creature
      @unknown1creature 7 років тому +5

      FUGYOO who more qualified? as long as she's in her right mind. personal experience with this issue is probably impossible to truly explain. at least I haven't been able to.

    • @FUGYOO
      @FUGYOO 7 років тому +2

      I concur unknown. I just think it somewhat peculiar. No doubt she is more qualified than I. Interesting topic.

    • @lukaskaltenmaier3808
      @lukaskaltenmaier3808 4 роки тому +4

      How does that matter even in the slightest? I honestly want to know

    • @robroy4137
      @robroy4137 4 роки тому +1

      Are you saying that people with mental illness are not smart

    • @robroy4137
      @robroy4137 4 роки тому +1

      Ignorant comment