STACCATO C2 AND ZEV OZ9c X: Which One is Worth the Investment?

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  • @leevaello438
    @leevaello438 Рік тому +6

    Thanks for sharing as always love your Honesty👍👊🇺🇲

    • @threatcadre
      @threatcadre  Рік тому +2

      Thank you Sir...I love Staccatos..but, have to give credit when its due...and the OZ9 impressed to say the least...The bill drill with the steel frame compared to the C2 aluminum...was noticeably flatter...

  • @westtexas3041
    @westtexas3041 Рік тому +5

    My normal carry guns are a Staccato P or a Glock 17 MOS(highly modified). Both are great guns. Whatever you choose, training and practice are paramount.

    • @threatcadre
      @threatcadre  Рік тому +1

      Training is key 1000% in agreement. Thank you for you input, Sir.

  • @jpipaj
    @jpipaj 3 місяці тому +1

    Love the video, I’m stuck between the two myself, love Glock but never enjoyed the grip angle… and learned to love my C2… both great pistol and each is good at different things

    • @threatcadre
      @threatcadre  3 місяці тому

      The ZEV has quickly became my go to now.

  • @fearnonebutone4977
    @fearnonebutone4977 10 місяців тому +2

    Excellent video. I was thinking about one of these two lately so the video is perfect. Carried Glocks my entire LE career but love the 2011 now that I’m done. Ordered the staccato heritage and now I’m Going to have to get a Zev

    • @threatcadre
      @threatcadre  10 місяців тому +1

      I have been extremely impressed with my Zevs....2011 angle grips on a polymer "glock"....whats not to love..ha...Thank you for your input, Sir.

  • @dustyd6617
    @dustyd6617 Рік тому +4

    2 great guns. I have multiples of both and am still better with the Zev. Its just my familiarity with the Glock platform though. It feels like home to me. Had I grown up more of a 1911 guy, I'm sure my thoughts would be different. Both great guns though.

    • @threatcadre
      @threatcadre  Рік тому

      Agreed Sir...great thing is we have solid options now...how are you like your zev...you seeing any issues?

  • @mooktemas6800
    @mooktemas6800 Рік тому +3

    Staccato C2 for me. Thanks for the vids.

    • @threatcadre
      @threatcadre  Рік тому +1

      Hard to beat my C2...but, options are out there for shooters, now...Especially looking for the 1911 grip angle and a more natural ability to point..Thank you for your input.

  • @PJ-is1jy
    @PJ-is1jy 2 місяці тому

    Only thing is the staccato is not a duty level wepon... No firing pin drop and so the lighter the trigger the more its not drop safe. 1911's are not drop safe as it is but the more you lighten the trigger it doesn't matter about the other safetys if you drop it its going to shoot ... So for range toy its awesome but not for anyone serious or for military or law enforcement. I don't care how many times they write "Duty" on the website... Maybe with a 10 pound trigger but then who would want that ??? So if you Know how it works. Mechanically ! Its a range gun or Target gun but not for duty and even in competition don't drop it

  • @cleavon74
    @cleavon74 Рік тому +4

    A million rounds shot threw a Glock 19. Thats about 150 rounds shot everyday over 15 years. That’s 200k in ammo at the price of .20 a round. 🤯

    • @threatcadre
      @threatcadre  Рік тому +2

      Yes Sir...In my former life...I shot a lot of pistol rds.....minimum of 500 rds a day for two weeks at a time, then stand down for two weeks...haha...they wanted us good with them...lol. First Glock was issued in 1995...now telling how old I am🤣🤣

  • @Uncleprepper1
    @Uncleprepper1 Рік тому +1

    Thank you for doing this video. I have been wondering about this very same thing for months now.

    • @threatcadre
      @threatcadre  Рік тому +1

      Of course, Sir. They weren't on my radar until several weeks ago....but, now...with that Steel Frame....extremely flat...I just put a Radian Afterburner in it....so, will be testing that out against the PMM Micro comp in the Shadow Systems Elite....why not...haha...Thank you for you input. Greg

  • @goatslifepartdeux5492
    @goatslifepartdeux5492 Рік тому +1

    Love my C2, and XC. Best guns in my opinion.

    • @threatcadre
      @threatcadre  Рік тому +1

      Couldn't agree more, Sir. League of their own for sure...

  • @fearnonebutone4977
    @fearnonebutone4977 9 місяців тому +2

    I ended up buying a C2 and it shoots great! BUT, 2/3 mags failed to lock back on empty mag and one mag had a round nose dive. I contacted staccato and was put on hold for over 40 minutes, then was told that the issue is likely the mag spring. So they mailed me out two new springs went to go install them and they were significantly longer than the springs in the mags that came with the gun. I’m not sure what to do at this point with them. This was my third staccato purchase so I’ve spent over $7k with them. I feel like they could have just sent me two new (working) mags. Even if I had to send the bad mags back I’d be cool with that. Pretty disappointed apart from how it shoots. The rep sounded like this is a common thing, so if it is, why don’t the just fix the issue?

    • @threatcadre
      @threatcadre  9 місяців тому +2

      Agreed....unfortunately, I got tired of the same issue. I would stretch out my springs...which would work for a while until they "set".....To elevate the issue, i just ordered the +mag springs from Atlas...and have never looked back...This is one of the things, IMHO, that the new mags on the CS fixed.....

    • @fearnonebutone4977
      @fearnonebutone4977 9 місяців тому

      ⁠@@threatcadreOk, I will definitely look into those. Did you have to use the Atlas follower with it?

    • @threatcadre
      @threatcadre  9 місяців тому +1

      @@fearnonebutone4977 Spring only, Sir. you can tell immediately, there is more tension. It will be hard to get the last round added...until "broke in"

    • @fearnonebutone4977
      @fearnonebutone4977 9 місяців тому

      @@threatcadreGreat! Thank you. Did you get the +10, +15, etc?

    • @threatcadre
      @threatcadre  9 місяців тому +1

      @@fearnonebutone4977 +18% is what I ran with....since I run the 126 in my C2, as well...Got a couple +15% for the 120s...but, majority of the time I run the 17 and 20 rd mags with the 18s...

  • @fearnonebutone4977
    @fearnonebutone4977 5 місяців тому +1

    Have you had or heard of any issues over insertion with the Staccatos (C2/P)? I have a tendency to slam mags into empty guns as that was how we trained in LE. Is this ok with the C2? I am using the staccato c2 17 round mags with the Dawson floor plates.

    • @threatcadre
      @threatcadre  5 місяців тому +1

      Comes down to the mag. I have heard of issues, especially slamming the 20 rd mags in. Again. I run the 17 rd with the base pad which won’t allow over insertion. Best of both worlds. I feel the 16 and 17 rd mag springs will last longer on spring set as well.

  • @charles17508
    @charles17508 Рік тому +1

    Hard choice there I would like both .the zev is more my ball park though for me cheers 🍻

    • @threatcadre
      @threatcadre  Рік тому +1

      Coming from a glock for over 20 years....to be honest...the Zev was easy to get back into...and the grip angle...perfect.....now that the V2 is out...they are the same price if not cheaper than the Shadow Systems...and a LOT better pistol for the the $$. Thank you for you input.

  • @dennissmith1469
    @dennissmith1469 Рік тому +1

    Actually, i shot the Zev, and cause I've have lots of glocks! Shot nice but hurt me was shooting a Staccato XL and end up with a Staccato P. And next two well be a CS and a C2! My C2 almost paid for and down payment was made on the CS just to hold it for me!! And Extra magazines. But definitely a good demonstration from you, Greg! Thank you

    • @threatcadre
      @threatcadre  Рік тому +1

      Staccatos are addictive...you just can't have one...and their triggers and pointablity are some of the best out there...Thank you for your input, Sir. Greg

    • @dennissmith1469
      @dennissmith1469 Рік тому +1

      @threatcadre thank you for all your advice! Not only threw chats plus threw the emails!

    • @threatcadre
      @threatcadre  Рік тому +1

      @@dennissmith1469 Of course, Sir. Thats why I started this..and Why I am here...to help. Greg

  • @emeryemond7904
    @emeryemond7904 Рік тому +1

    Very difficult to make a choice based on multiple groups shot on very same target, better comparison would have been to use new targets for each pistol, and each group at every distance. MUCH easier to judge the the results. BUT, your input and comparison made the case - Zev if coming from a Glock, C2 for single action 1911 ahooters ...

  • @rays9033
    @rays9033 Рік тому +1

    Wow, I wish that C2 grip was available for purchase. Staccato will not sell me a C2 grip, so I could keep my original factory grip unmodified.

    • @threatcadre
      @threatcadre  Рік тому +1

      Reach out to extreme shooters. The were the company that did the treebark and dragon scales on the STIs and who do all my stipple. They normally have some in stock that they stipple....you can purchase the grip and have it stippled....Use THREATCADRE12 discount code, Sir.

  • @TheGunfighter45acp
    @TheGunfighter45acp Рік тому +2

    Well said. They both looked like flat shooters with in my opinion, an ideal grip angle. Do you have differnt missions or roles for each one in your collection?

    • @threatcadre
      @threatcadre  Рік тому +1

      Agreed 1000%...choices are good....and mission dictated...

  • @justinpeto
    @justinpeto 5 днів тому

    Is that the oz9c combat? Looking to get one too

  • @paulmistretta5764
    @paulmistretta5764 Рік тому +2

    Have you seen the DWX yet or the DWX compact that just came out?

    • @threatcadre
      @threatcadre  Рік тому +1

      I have...but, not had the opportunity to run the yet...should be interesting....looking at a MPA vs Staccato comparison next...see whats the most bang for the buck...Greg

  • @omarcruise6662
    @omarcruise6662 Рік тому +1

    I wouldn’t trust my life to a Zev ! Brand new Zev with only 500 rounds crapped out on me in a class . I mean jam after jam after jam . Good thing I had my trusty 19x in my bag .

    • @threatcadre
      @threatcadre  Рік тому

      Was the issue extraction or the feeding ram? Hear and can see issues with their feedramp on the barrel?

    • @omarcruise6662
      @omarcruise6662 Рік тому

      I think the issue was the extraction . I installed a Suarez international reliability extraction kit and polished the speed ramp on the barrel and hoping this makes this gun more reliable . Also ordered a dpm recoil management system . So when that comes in I’m taking it to the range to see but if it doesn’t fix the issue I’m getting rid of it asap !

  • @BigJohnsonGG
    @BigJohnsonGG Рік тому +1

    Nice work. 🤘🏼

  • @intensifier1346
    @intensifier1346 Рік тому +1

    I rented a c2 last week and shot it side by side with my Zev. Zev for the win in my opinion.

    • @threatcadre
      @threatcadre  Рік тому +1

      Zev is a solid option...basically a 2011 with a glock trigger....love mine, as well....but, the C2 has the amazing trigger.

    • @intensifier1346
      @intensifier1346 Рік тому +1

      @@threatcadrei may be the only one that doesn’t shoot an sao well.

    • @intensifier1346
      @intensifier1346 Рік тому +1

      And I only have about 100,000 through glocks

    • @threatcadre
      @threatcadre  Рік тому

      @@intensifier1346 Yeah..I have been running glocks...since late 90s...i can still remember the older mags, that were polymer....the reason we had to strip mags out of the pistol..they would never drop free..hahaha

    • @threatcadre
      @threatcadre  Рік тому

      @@intensifier1346 how much time do you have on the 1911/2011 sir?

  • @fearnonebutone4977
    @fearnonebutone4977 5 місяців тому +1

    Do you think it’s worth selling the c2 and buying the c when it comes out?

    • @threatcadre
      @threatcadre  5 місяців тому +1

      Yes. IMHO. It’s the new wave it seems with the grips and magazines.

  • @l337l0gan
    @l337l0gan Рік тому +1

    Great channel and great knowledge! Do you have any experience with shadow systems? How does the zev compare to SS ? I have carried an mr920 for 2 years, i was a glock guy for about 8 years and wanted more. Loved the SS guns, but now here i am again wanting more. I dont want to carry a metal frame gun, but i want the performance of a metal frame gun. Thanks for the great content. Cheers

    • @threatcadre
      @threatcadre  Рік тому +1

      Hey Sir. Yes...I actually uploaded a vid on the SS 920...I have one...but, honestly like the ZEV more....actually working on a comparison between the Zev and Radian Comp...and the SS and the PMM Micro...Cheers.

  • @cstlye187artz3
    @cstlye187artz3 Рік тому +1

    Great video . Keep them coming …

    • @threatcadre
      @threatcadre  Рік тому +1

      Hopefully, it shed so light on the two pistol...thank you for your feedback, Sir. Greg

  • @HuyLe-rj4du
    @HuyLe-rj4du Рік тому +1

    Your cadre comp made my C2 extremely flat and it stayed still. I actually applied too much pressure and it dipped after the slide cycles so I need to let the comp do it’s thing. Coming from a 19.5

    • @threatcadre
      @threatcadre  Рік тому

      Thank you Sir. Yes. If you “manhandle” it, you will have a negative dip, it it goes below the horizon. Glad you like it sir.

  • @Test8672
    @Test8672 Рік тому +1

    Curious to see if by having the mini stac port done to the C2 will shoot flatter than the ZEV. I had my mind made up for my very first pistol which is the C2 - but all these new videos keep coming up. If you had one choice would it be the C2 or ZEV?

    • @threatcadre
      @threatcadre  Рік тому +1

      If I could have one choice...and I have both...it would be the C2 hands down...The trigger just does it for me....which corelates to better accuracy downrange.

    • @Test8672
      @Test8672 Рік тому +1

      @@threatcadre Thank you sir, was hoping you can help with my question since you have extensive knowledge on the C2. If I purchased the C2 with the X serrations option from Staccato, would that interfere somehow with a mini stack port job when I decide to get at a later date?

    • @threatcadre
      @threatcadre  Рік тому +1

      @@Test8672 Hey sir. I will not be an issue...if anything, it will track a little flatter due to the lighter slide mass. I like the X serrations, since it gives a better purchase of the front cocking serrations. Hope this helps. I you have any additional questions...just let me know.. email or if it helps, just call me direct. Greg

  • @jamieguffey9628
    @jamieguffey9628 Рік тому +1

    So a million rounds just through the glock= at an average of $0.16 per Round is $160,000... don't mind me; I'm just the guy with the calculator app open on my phone when I'm purchasing ammo. I thought it was a flex when I bought a new gun on the last day of July, and by the 8th of August, and I already had 300 rounds through it.

    • @threatcadre
      @threatcadre  Рік тому

      haha...I am fortunate enough to not having to purchase that ammo....lol

  • @M1030B1
    @M1030B1 Рік тому +2

    It’s easier to swap over to a Zev based on the familiarity of the controls. I still prefer the 1911 / 2011 just for the trigger.

    • @threatcadre
      @threatcadre  Рік тому

      Trigger is hard to beat...another reason, I would swap from Zev trigger immediately to the C2 SAO to reflect the difference. Thank you for your input.

  • @E72024
    @E72024 Рік тому +1

    I love my MR920 especially with the ramjet. Don’t think I see the point in getting the Zev although it seems like a great gun. If I didn’t own the SS I would consider it.

    • @threatcadre
      @threatcadre  Рік тому +1

      My MR920 is nice especially with the PMM MICRO comp on it.

    • @E72024
      @E72024 Рік тому +1

      Would love to try a PMM micro but unfortunately I live in one of those restricted unconstitutional states so I’m lucky to be able to have a comp. The Ramjet is my only option and a pretty good one at that.

    • @threatcadre
      @threatcadre  Рік тому +2

      @@E72024 I have a PMM micro on a Shadow Systems 920...and of course the radian afterburner on a Zev OZ9...working on the video comparison now....it will be enlightening...Greg

    • @E72024
      @E72024 Рік тому

      Awesome, can’t wait to see it. Love the content btw!

    • @threatcadre
      @threatcadre  Рік тому +1

      @@E72024 Thank you, Sir...Just trying to help pass some knowledge...

  • @HuyLe-rj4du
    @HuyLe-rj4du Рік тому +1

    Do you have any major slide fitment play in your C2 after 50000 rounds?

    • @threatcadre
      @threatcadre  Рік тому

      None...which I thought I would have on the aluminum frame....I know the have test models at the Factory that have over 100k rds through them and no issues, either...the c2 will last a lifetime..

    • @HuyLe-rj4du
      @HuyLe-rj4du Рік тому +1

      @@threatcadre nice so your C2 is still super tight? Mine has a wobble and rattles when I shake it now that I have rounds through it

    • @threatcadre
      @threatcadre  Рік тому

      @@HuyLe-rj4du Mine is still as tight that I have since day 1, Sir.

  • @emeryemond7904
    @emeryemond7904 Рік тому +1

    Morning - do you have any trigger time with the Zev OZ9 Hyper Comp ? I have Staccatos, STIs, 1911s etc - the Hyper Comp appears to be a great "glock style" addition to an STI guy's collection - your option ???

    • @threatcadre
      @threatcadre  Рік тому +1

      Good morning. It’s a solid pistol. I have several rounds through one. But, I personally do not like ported handguns. The reason I run comps on everything, and I’m good with that trade off of slightly length extension. And for newer shooters. I’ve found compd pistols have less “felt” recoil vs a ported. I feel a radian comped Zev is flatter than the Hypercomp. IMHO

    • @emeryemond7904
      @emeryemond7904 Рік тому +1

      @@threatcadre GREAT, thks fo fast reply, have a great 4th !

    • @threatcadre
      @threatcadre  Рік тому

      @@emeryemond7904 you as well Sir. Thanks for your input. 👊🏼🇺🇸🥃

  • @fearnonebutone4977
    @fearnonebutone4977 9 місяців тому +1

    Did you swap any of the Zev internals for oem Glock ones? I read that a lot of people do this.

    • @threatcadre
      @threatcadre  9 місяців тому +1

      I did on two of mine...since I shoot them ALOT....I feel when you start cutting on parts to make the "look" nice....when start shaving material, it make them weaker. While individuals that shoot a few times a year...that will not be an issue....but, i shout several thousand rds a year.....that being said....Never had an issue....and the V2 are out....so, the price of the V1s have dropped.....and love all 3 of my V1s...thank you for your input, Sir

    • @saintmichael753
      @saintmichael753 7 місяців тому +1

      Great video. Just subbed. I'm a bit new to firearms, forgive me but which parts exactly represent the internals which you replaced with glock oem?

    • @threatcadre
      @threatcadre  7 місяців тому +1

      @@saintmichael753 THE OEM PARTS THAT I SWAP TO ARE, THE EXTRACTOR, AND FIRING PIN.....WHILE THEY ARE GUCCI, I HAVE SEEN ISSUES WITH HIGH ROUND COUNTS AND THEY BREAK DUE TO MACHINING...

  • @eddiepereira9628
    @eddiepereira9628 Рік тому +1

    Impressed with the Zev but I seen to many of my buddies have issues with them like trigger becoming too mushy, lite primer strikes, and broken firing pins. Id prefer the Smith and Wesson MP 2.0 with Apex trigger its a monster. You need to evaluate the MP it will change your opinion on striker fired guns. IMO its the best striker fired on the market with the apex or overwatch precision trigger system.

    • @threatcadre
      @threatcadre  Рік тому

      Do you know what year they have? Newer or older....I saw research that for the past couple of years..had issues..but, apparently may have fixed the newer models, ie past year...who knows....so far, this one has ran like a top..but, only have 1700 rds. Have a buddy in CA, and they issue the MP 2.0..and he loves it...Will have to give that one a try, as well....thank you for your input.

  • @fearnonebutone4977
    @fearnonebutone4977 9 місяців тому +1

    So I ended up buying the Zev oz9 X combat and ran 200 rounds through it today. I had 4 FTF during this time. I’m wondering if this is a “break in period”? Anyone else have this issue?
    Ran my C2 alongside it and it ran flawlessly today. Previously, 2/3 mags failed to lock back.

    • @threatcadre
      @threatcadre  9 місяців тому +2

      My zev had a breaking period....which is what i required.....when transitioning to the Radian comp on all my pistols...i have to say there was 0 break in.....so, it may have to do with the barrels....as of today.....I EDC the zev more than the C2...IMHO

    • @fearnonebutone4977
      @fearnonebutone4977 9 місяців тому +1

      @@threatcadreSo yours had FTF at first too?

    • @threatcadre
      @threatcadre  9 місяців тому +1

      @@fearnonebutone4977 yes sir.. a few...but, from experience on new pistols...like this...i run the hottest ammo i have...just to mate the surfaces better..which will speed up the process....

    • @fearnonebutone4977
      @fearnonebutone4977 9 місяців тому +1

      @@threatcadreThank you sir, I’ll run some hot stuff through it and give it some additional break in. I shoot it quite well and love the grip angle.

    • @threatcadre
      @threatcadre  9 місяців тому +1

      @@fearnonebutone4977 the grip angle and accuracy....this is what pulled me back to the striker fire....vs the SAO....thank you for you input, Sir

  • @GregWilloughby-v6f
    @GregWilloughby-v6f 4 місяці тому

    Where do you get the grip adapter for the Glock?

  • @garrettfordham4537
    @garrettfordham4537 3 місяці тому

    I think for all that money you spent you could have just got a normal Glock and gotten a lot better at shooting. That 10 yard group should not be spread that far out shooting that slow.

  • @fearnonebutone4977
    @fearnonebutone4977 8 місяців тому +1

    What IWB holster do you use with the C2?

    • @threatcadre
      @threatcadre  8 місяців тому +1

      Tenicor sir

    • @fearnonebutone4977
      @fearnonebutone4977 8 місяців тому +1

      @@threatcadreThe Tenicor SAGAX LUX2 Appendix IWB Holster?

    • @threatcadre
      @threatcadre  8 місяців тому

      @@fearnonebutone4977 yes, sir..

  • @LOliver
    @LOliver Рік тому +1

    👍🏿👍🏿

  • @chrisferguson1911
    @chrisferguson1911 Рік тому +1

    Neither is worth what is being asked for them.

    • @threatcadre
      @threatcadre  Рік тому

      Compared to what other pistol Sir?

    • @chrisferguson1911
      @chrisferguson1911 Рік тому +1

      Well, Bul 3.25 ultra light for double stack compact 2011.
      Literally any other Glock or Glock patterned pistol. If you need your Glock, or Dagger, or P80, or or or to look like that, do it over time.

    • @threatcadre
      @threatcadre  Рік тому +1

      @@chrisferguson1911 Thank you for your feedback. I will have to some comparison videos with those...Especially, if the BUL 3.25 is a better version of the C2 and a P80 is a better version of the Zev. Have only shot a BUL, a few rounds and no rds through a P80. Thank you. Greg