My new LiFePo4 Set-Up. What did I choose?
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- Опубліковано 4 лип 2024
- Hey everyone, welcome back to the channel! Today, we're diving into something a bit different. I swapped out my under-bonnet Lithium batteries in August last year, and I'm gonna break down what I've switched to. Just a heads-up, this isn't your typical review-that's coming in about a year after I've really tested this new setup.
00:00 - My new 12v car set up intro
01:33 - My new 12v Set-Up in the Cruiser
04:18 - Redarc and SuperB Collaboration
04:54 - Why did I choose the Redarc Alpha 150
08:20 - Disclosure
08:39 - Alpha 150 Pro’s
09:34 - The best way to charge the Alpha 150!!
12:58 - JS Auto Electrics
13:48 - Where have I used the setup so far?
14:43 - Why didn’t I do a DIY LifePo4
15:20 - Is the Alpha 150 worth the money?
16:16 - Preliminary conclusion so far
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Impressive charge current. I can absolutely understand paying more to reduce the risk of issues considering the problems you experienced with DCS. Not within my price range and I haven't experienced the same problems as you with my LifePo4 batteries (Not DCS) however I have thrown in the towel and paid more for other DC power system components due to on-going reliability issues. Thanks for the content Stefan.
Like most of your videos, I had a solid take-away with this one. The dual DCDC - even going in a bit lower capacity at much reduced pricing - while builiding the contingency of one shitting itself.
Another great video,Thanks.
Your videos keep costing me money ! Did an awesome one about your set up for navigation and the mounts, I’m now waiting for a dash mount to be manufactured and shipped to NZ for my new LC78 Troopie.
Now this one about lithium batteries, i’m in a little bit of a quandary though because I can’t decide if I should go with a Redarc Manager30 and a redarc lithium 100mh battery or a Redarc Goblock100 to keep it compact, simple, and able to remove to save weight, when not camping in the back of my troopie.
Keep up your videos please .
thank you
Good to see its going well so far.
I would be more comfortable with that battery and should be more reliable and safe
yes that's what I'm banking on
I think it is best to use something that you have confidence in for your trips, good choice.
yes time will tell but I hope this will serve me a long time
At least you gave the lipo’s a go under the bonnet so we don’t have to try it now 👍
As for the induction cooker… I think you’ll need a trailer for all your solar panels 😂
lol as long as I'm driving a few hours every day in car charging is no issue, If I have more than two days stationary and clouds I'm running in to trouble if I induction cook and need to recharge Ecoflow without driving.
I added a Redarc Core BCDC1240 to my existing Redarc Manager 30 and I get a genuine 70a charge. The other advantage of two chargers is that I have the roof mounted solar connected to the Manager 30 and an Anderson plug for a sloar blanket wired to the BCDC1240. I'm running two Amptron 150ah batteries, use dual induction, coffee machine and toaster (not all at once) and it works brilliantly.
That sounds like a good setup; yes, I will also be adding an additional BCDC1225D, which should be sufficient.
Great video and Thankyou for sharing. I can see the battery is great for you but for most it’s unattainable at over $3000 which is ridiculous. Edit …would you actually use this battery if you had to buy it ? Thankyou again love your videos and your reviews are fantastic.
I've pondered over this as well, and based on my past experiences with other batteries, I believe the answer is yes. The entire ethos behind building my cruiser was to ensure it's both reliable and capable. I've learned from experience that opting for cheaper solutions often leads to double the expense down the line. Considering the cruiser's value at around $100,000, and how crucial the auxiliary battery setup is for my travels and filming, it's definitely not a component I would compromise on. Reliability in this aspect is key.
Good review mate. Could you also do a new in-depth Land Cruiser review with all gears in it?
I have 3 videos about the Cruiser build on the Channel
there are quite a few build video on my channel
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Be interesting to see how this one work out, especially for the price.
Are looking at any LifePo4 for under the bonnet use in the future?
yes I'm keen to see how this goes myself given the companies behind it I hope this will work out.
Would you buy this battery for over $3000 with your own money? That's way out of reach for most people
Yes, that is a good question; I would say after my past experience with other batteries, there is a very good chance I would have. The whole cruiser was always built to be a very reliable and capable car and I learned quite a while ago that the poor man often pays twice. The cruiser is a 100k car, and my auxiliary battery set-up is super important for my travels and filming, so it is definitely a component I would not skimp on having it reliable.
For the past 10 years I have used nothing but redarc and that means my set ups have been expensive but I have never had any issues with any of the redarc gear. Every time I go on big trips someone always spends time fiddling with some issue with there 12 volt gear. But I have never had a single issue. That’s worth the extra cash for me personally🤷🏼♂️
I have been using the Redarc 1225D for a while now, and mounted in the back of my car it always sits at 25Ahr until the battery starts to approach full charge. Does not get hot.
Redarc might be fine for those with deep pockets, or receiving the products free or subsidised for review, but for many of us it's out of the question at 2 or 3 times the price but not 2 or 3 times as good as alternatives. Also can't understand how you can't fit a 2000W inverter to replace your 700W but can fit a complete second battery/inverter pack.
Yes, it's not cheap; if it lasts 5000 cycles, it's worth it in my book as a feature wise I think it's a great battery. I had the 700w inverter at home for some time, so I used it. I could only fit a 2000w inverter by changing my whole layout, which I wasn't prepared to do as my current set-up works fine, and 150a capacity for induction cooking would be on the low side for me anyway as I require the capacity to charge all my gear. The Redarc Battery is in the same spot where my Revolution battery was, so not too many changes are required.
Exactly wat I thought, 2000w invert size and weight wise should be the same as the about the same. But can see a point that he has more unusable capacity.
I'm with you, truly can't fathom stuffing round with 700W invertor.
I'd take the time to rearrange and fit a 2000W unit myself, ditching the weight and bulk of portable unit.
Trust me, I know confined spaces, but for the benefits I'd find a way.
yea, but as I said, pretty much all my gear is 12v. I rarely have used my old 300w Inverter over the past years. The 700w inverter was lying in my garage for two years but was never installed because of no room and no urgency. The only reason for me to have a 2000w inverter would be induction cooking, and that is something that I only recently discovered and won't be doing exclusively. If I wanted to use an induction cooker from the car, I would need at least 250AH available, and that means room for an additional battery and also a significantly bigger inverter. I had two weeks' time to get that sorted before the trip, and given I have the Ecoflow Delta 2 and often carry it anyway, so I can offload my footage away from the car and also cook away from the car , this was the better option for me at this stage. If I build a new car, I will definitely go with a higher-capacity LiFePo4 and a bigger inverter.
@@AlloffroadAu Totally get your point, it was just that you said you could not fit an inverter in and in the next sentence you showed that brick of a power pack. with that brick you have more capacity for your needs and it is portable. You don’t need induction cooking anyway as you just need to boil some water to eat those freeze dried meals haha! 👍
The redarc 50amp charger is crap. Get rid of it and get 2 x 25amp chargers. Redarc are not forthcoming with the charging output which is annoying. Putting a fan on will not help, I honestly think it’s time based
older one had a time based Lithium schedule but Redarc changed that after my video. New one is definitely heat as I measured it reaches 60c quickly. Keen to see how I go with 1250D and 1225D If I get around 50 continuous and a higher peak I'm happy otherwise will try different DCDC charge.
Are you sure they are prismatic cells? The video footage showed cylindrical cells and the Redarc video shows "18650" on the side of the packs.
According to Redarc and Super B they are Prismatic in the Alpha 150, Super B manufactures many different typs of LiFePo4 batteries though and I have seen that they also have cylindrical cells is use in other batteries. have a look at www.super-b.com/en/products/epsilon-12v150ah which states Prismatic
@@AlloffroadAu Thanks for that. Video must have been different batteries.
yes I took footage from their UA-cam Chanel I just thought it showed quite well that's not a small backyard operation
Why no picture of the battery set up in your car
Not that appealing behind the seats in a box but it's in the video
Don't charge the Ecoflow from an inverter and your battery. You can easily charge the Ecoflow during driving via a 12V cable with 8A max (charging with 100 watts), or (this way I'm doing it with my DELTA MAX 1600) using a 12V-24V converter and charge it via 24V with 8A max (charging with 200 watts), That's the easiest and safest way for me, also better for the Ecoflow battery and while driving you should have plenty of power from your alternator. 😏
yes 8a is sometimes not enough but the inverter will charge with 600w and that is sufficient and still not fast charging so preserver battery.
Should have just got a power paul battery
I wanted a well researched and developed battery from a very reputable manufacture and Superb/Redarc filled that criteria.
Exactly what I have
Well researched and developed is exactly what PowerPaul is
When your in the know ... your in the know
can't comment about Power Paul's batteries as I never used them, but from what I know, it's a one-man show. While the batteries may be great, as stated, I wanted a big reputable company that won't go anywhere.
@bencole9936 can't comment about Power Paul's batteries as I never used them, but from what I know, it's a one-man show. While the batteries may be great, as stated, I wanted a big, reputable company. Maybe, one day I try one of his batteries.
@AlloffroadAu
1 man show gets you attention to detail
"Big mobs" usually mass produced without any care
What I look for anyways
Redarc gear and lithium batteries are still out of my price range, most people i think
yes it’s a pity they are quite expensive
@@AlloffroadAu great products but
The new redarc battery looks like an amazing product yet still it’s hard to believe that Kings 100 amps battery is nearly 1/10 of its price.
yes, I'm over experimenting, though and need something reliable and proven
Lithium batteries are more than a convenience, they are a fire hazard when they fail. Would you trust a Kings battery in your car? I get people like cheap awnings if they don't use it so often, but not sure I'd go the discount lithium path. Rather stick to quality agm if I couldn't stretch to a good lithium. Also, The comparable redarc battery is 3x the price, this one is a special variant. That would be the minimum discount I would want to go some cheap Chinese direct product
@@bazza2540I have no evidence that tells me
they are not safe. There are many positive reviews on YT . Also, I can imagine that for every Redarc there are tens, if not more, Kings sold. If there was a major problem with them we would have heard about it already.
yea my concern with cheap LiFePo4 is that every batch may be different not sure if you get consistently same cell and set up. I also have seen tear downs and for the price they look ok personally would just not risk it though.
Kings have been pulled down plenty of times now by gurus on FB lithium pages
All perform well beyond what they're stamped at
Itech on the other hand are proving to be marketed well but tbeyre absolute crap in an orange box
Kings warranty is no issue and if your comparing a lithium battery to an awning ... fck me hahaa
After installing the total cost of that set up from scratch would be approaching 5k!
I get it that its a conventional set up to be reliable but I think I really appreciated that as a UA-cam channel that you tried the dcs which wasn't conventional.
Including inverter, DCDC, etc. Yes, probably around that, if it lasts for the remaining years of the car without hassle worth it for me.
I edited my initial comment @@AlloffroadAu
@@AlloffroadAudid the dcs de-rate their charge current when they got warm under the bonnet?
No, depending on the SOC of the batteries, they would take whatever alternator provided.
@@AlloffroadAu no wonder they failed early
Didnt you say all these positive things about DCS a couple of years ago?
Also for someone who got stuffed around by RedArc with the limitations of the 1250 DCDC and which obviously still doesnt work as well as a premium product should, you must be getting these products for nothing to still want to spruik the RedArc superiority.
yep did say many positive things about DCS but unfortunately they just did not last for me under the bonnet something which only became apparent with time. Redarc actually did listen and change the Lithium charge profile after my video. The issue is heat. I clearly don't spruik superiority if I show the shortcomings I guess it's hard for any not ventilated unit i.e without a fan to provide such a high output and not derate because of heat. I do agree Redarc could advertise this differently. I have not seen a different non ventilated unite provide full continuous 50a output have you?. Nearly all BCDC chargers have a heat based derating so not unique to Redarc. Redarc has the highest operating temp of all the DCDC charges I looked at still de-rates though.
@@AlloffroadAu The DCS experiment was just that I guess and I certainly thankyou for the the effort that you put in to expose them.
Regarding RedArc, I just think they are over priced. Most people cant afford to buy 2 1250s to make it work as advertised. I totally understand the heat issue and most wagon owners are looking for the smallest form factor but its really a bit of a scam to sell it as a 50A charger and charge a premium price for it.
yea I agree unfortunately they all do it the Enerdrive DCDC also does not provide 50a indefinitely
Hang on! So u can’t fit the 2000W inverter in, so instead u charge the Ecoflow & use that?🤔 The Ecoflow will be 4x the size of the inverter!😂 So rather than just have a battery & an inverter, now u use a battery & inverter to charge another battery to run another inverter!🤔 That right?🤷♂️🤣🤣
as I mentioned before, I carry a portable battery bank anyway, as it allows me to off-load my footage away from the car. The battery bank does not need a fixed spot in my car. It's portable; it also is not 4 x bigger than a 2000w inverter. Trust me, I have my reasons for my set-up that does not mean it's the right set-up for you, but for me, it is at the present time.
Yet another redarc advertisement?
yea, then every product I use and find good is an advertisement; I'm sharing my experience, good or bad. If you don't trust my stuff, that's ok. Just skip my videos.
My god!🤦♂️ Whoever u get your electrical information from, I think u need to find a better source. The charge current for a battery is determined by the battery, not the charger! If u have a 50A charger, that just means 50A is it’s max output. The battery is only taking what it wants. If you’re only getting 30A of charge, that’s because the battery & charger r doing exactly what they should be doing.🙄
lol maybe don't comment if you don't know. The battery can take 130a continuous charge current and the charger de-rated because it reached 60c operating temperature as per manual and not because the battery did not accept 50a charge (btw for a good LiFePo4 battery 50a charging is nothing)