Aalto Talk with Linus Torvalds [Full-length]
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- Aalto Talk with Linus Torvalds, hosted by Aalto Center for Entrepreneurship (ACE) in Otaniemi on June 14, 2012. Linus was interviewed by Will Cardwell and followed with a Q&A session with the audience. Enjoy!
Event producer Zaira Mammadova ( @iamzaira )
Video produced by Oneminstory {www.oneminstory.com/en}
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Aalto Center for Entrepreneurship (ACE) aims at creating business success stories from the science and art within Aalto community, and working as a catalyst for elevating high ambition entrepreneurship from Finland and through the Baltic region. ace.aalto.fi/
@ 49:56 → "nvidia, fuck you."
10/10
no. should I?
well that's ironic. :p
Peter Taranto
cool, and now get a life
Peter Taranto no matter how much 'fuck you's we wan't to give to nvidia, they're still one of the most reasonable gpu manufacturers out there. this has nothing to do with the fact that they're assholes. ;)
That made my day...no my life.
49:57 I know what you are looking for. You are welcome.
Thx
Thanks.
that's exactly why I came here! Thx.
thanks!
Lol
Came for Nvidia, stayed for a whole video, this is great talk.
Solid talk. That "Nvidia, fuck you!" Was epic.
1:01:10
Give me laptop please😭
looooooool
@@r2com641 Look for nvidia support for linux today... =P
@@r2com641 legacy we still talk about nearly a decade later
All the dislikes on this video are people working at Nvidia.
No amount of hardware ideology can deprive this video of its low key wisdom
... or offended by free softwares
😂😂
@@r2com641 stfu
@@r2com641 dude we need to talk
this guy sounds smart he should write a kernel or something.
Ha ha
That sounds very complex. Maybe he should start with a software revision system.
Or instead of a big complex kernel maybe he can split it up into a bunch of microkernel components.
@@eusebiusthunked5259 he should write some kind of system control in order to collect people who want to contribute to this kernel
@@almasabdrazak5089 or... Hear me out... Instead of trying to control people, he could be a Real Man® and simply let everyone who is interested in his Kernel make their own copy, so that he doesn't have to bother backing it up like some silly git.
@john doe Dude, you are the asshole here don't you get that? You are on every single comment calling someone, anyone, names because you don't like Linus. Isn't there a hole or a rock for you to crawl back under or something because if you can not express your complaints and gripes in plain english or whatever language you speak don't state your complaints at all. No one here knows what you are talking about all we know is that you are a whinny bitch and you have changed no ones opinion on Linus, just changed everyones opinion on you. I mean hell... to top it off you can follow the chain of Linux back to the start and see the work he put into it and yet here you all calling him a pirate because... why? What did you write Unix or something so now you are drunk and bitter shit posting online? Cmon lil fellow, talk to us, tell us how you really feel. Put the bottle down first though ok.
"I started Linux as a desktop operating system and it's the only area where Linux hasn't completely taken over"
Give it time
Linux is a just a kernel
@@popespalace823 No it's not it's a whole operating system
@@mrmotofy What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX. Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project. There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.
@@mrmotofy Yup, there are many like myself who waited until Linux matured and/or saw how in most aspects it's technically superior. My guess is as Microsoft does the SaaS route with Windows and Office, there will be many many desktops switching to Linux in the next few years. I would never rent an OS, it's ludicrous.
54:15 Back in middle 2012 he speaks about the potential of small computers like Raspberry-pi and look now on 2019 the success it had. Amassing vision, far beyond the pot hole he mentions.
Now, we have the Valve Steam Deck. 2 TeraFLOPS of performance, in a 400 dollar device, and can be readily be upgradable storage. Plus, it runs Linux. :)
Open source (14:31), anti-commercial mentality free & pure coding (20:02), loves interacting with hardware (21:16), failure of desktop pre-installed OS (24:15), disagrees with Richard Stallman completely (31:43), normal size for OS projects (32:45), defined open don't like (37:25), one kernel for every single device (40:10), execution is what counts (55:45),
John Gohde where is the fuck you?
48:16
PIN THIS COMMENT
@simon, the senior + abu dabbi Da real MVPs!
Thanks, i starts searching this when i saw the length of video
And thank you Linus, I was one of your earliest users (your original kernel floppies and tools), you raised me up from poverty and gave me a wonderful international career with your fabulous project. I am indebted forever to your work.
Came for the nvidia fuck you and wasn't dissapointed
"I still don't maintain a website. I have never in my life done any web programming because I'm not interested. I'm interesting in programming." Linus Torvalds
On the other hand, everything he says becomes a quote, or even a meme. Linus Torvalds = Life of Brian :)
web programing also has the backend side, I am not interested in frontend that much too css definitely and if so then react + bootstrap is enough
@ Yep, in my opinion, I consider the Front side as web programming, and the Back one, as programming for short. Indeed because in Back, you write some logic, and this is the programming definition. But Front doesn't apply that subjective rule, it is just to satisfy graphical presentation, so personal desires, that cannot be always logical.
Azbrest John While I agree backend involves more logic, saying that front end doesn’t at all is simply wrong.
@@iYankrozHD Well you're right, if I quote Javascript, which is indeed a programming language. But for HTML and CSS, I cannot perceive it
Legendary talk. I love Linus' honesty and sense of humor. What an inspiration.
It's nice to see companies like Valve starting to shift their attention to Linux as it deserves a bigger spot in the OS market.
If you have known..
@@marcello4258 The progress made in just 10 months has been astounding
This. An underrated comment that aged like wine.
* Looking at my Steam Deck
59:13 this speech was done in 2012 ... when this guy asked the question about the new frontier of open-cource, most people (includinf myself) probably thought this was just some meaningless clishee of a question, but as of now, we have a new category altogether : OPEN HARDWARE , mostly being associated with 3d printers and the leader in the game, Prusa Research, who had attained legendary status, but the new wave of Open Hardware is upon us and honestly it's ABSOLUTELY AMAZING
I feel so fortunate to see such a great person at our time. He saved us from getting bogged down with propitiatory OS etc from MS/Apple etc. Great works. Hats off to you/open source team
48:13 Start of Nvidia discussion.
This was so funny for me man! lol, i loved that part!
Exactly why I'm here XD
FDSAF
Thanks a ton, man!
Nvida makes .ko, and we need .so, they liberate the .ko to edit, emacs or txt... I stoped to try three years ago, but dont finished (so im finish the upgrade of machine, now i will try to put on again to retake the task - i had more than one, but work hard in x86-64 pentium D extreme, nvidia 5.1...) So with this machine nvidia and adobe cannot forbide the acces by motherboard contracts. I already wrote fglrx, skrmish, and one more .dll.
writing pure machine code instead of the assembler language, because he did not know better. but in the end, it gave him the additional insight and knowledge to make a fast kernel. i call that man a GENIUS !
the sheer honesty and candor in the way Linus answers questions is awesome. The guy never fails to inspire.
I think its the norm in north and west europe. Im dutch ... we also love getting to the point and be honest about things instead of all these nonsense shit talks around everything. Its really efficient way to work and people trust each other much better. Foreigners do think we are "rude". But for us its actually polite.
@@HermanWillems don't worry, that interview today would be much less candid. The Political Correctness Social Justice Cops took him into custody, and Greg signed the contract while Linus was at the reeducation camp. Politics is always going to dominate engineering, it seems.
The crowd asked really really interesting questions !
It's pretty rare to see really.
well, they are programmers who work with 5 people or more. this is not a minor detail
49:57 What I say every time I download a Nvidia Driver and it breaks my system
Just happened to me today.
@@gunner75171 Same there.
@john doe I will remind you on every comment how pathetic you are... You're Pathetic...
Nvida makes .ko, and we need .so, they liberate the .ko to edit, emacs or txt... I stoped to try three years ago, but dont finished (so im finish the upgrade of machine, now i will try to put on again to retake the task - i had more than one, but work hard in x86-64 pentium D extreme, nvidia 5.1...) So with this machine nvidia and adobe cannot forbide the acces by motherboard contracts. I already wrote fglrx, skrmish, and one more .dll.
@john doe The GPU company you seem to support doesn't provide drivers for Linux. The drivers available are reverse engineered or the ones build on old GPU's whose architecture was available before. It's not like they can't click next. It's that the available ones are not good, because the GPU company neither provides drivers for Linux OS or doesn't provide material information that's need to develop an opensource GPU driver.
necessity is the mother of invention, right?
I can't help but feel respect for Linus Torvalds and what he has achieved
nah, people just do what they want.
exactly! that's part of it
John O'Shaughnessy
👍
Torvalds is the nigga Gates wishes he became...
go to live in the inner region of Argentina. you'll have to create an intranet cloud server because there isn't wifi available there. I'm on the way of dropping my internet usage
Linus Torvalds is such an honest and humble man. What he has done for the world is beyond comprehension.
I thought the video would be very boring and doubted i would whatch till end, and here I am, wishing the video would be a bit longer. Haha, Thanx, great interview
Look like it was filmed yesterday
Stumbled on this accidently and ended up watching it all! I really liked it.
Writing machine code for 5-6years. ohmygod dude
He doesn't do Web Development but Google sends him chromebooks. He doesn't play games but he's given angry birds memorabilia. He also doesn't build hardware. Let's give him an arduino and see what happens.
what's the connection between Linus and angry birds ?
edit : nevermind, i watched to the end
@john doe bro calm down ur mad
@john doe and he's not stupid, his IQ of 160 is definitely higher than whatever fraction of an IQ point you have.
@@miko8732 Dude this guy is could literally melt the Polar Icecap with his fortnite gamer rage.
@@miko8732 And we all thought the air was hot in Hiroshima!
Incredible!!!!
I love the statement, "I like offending people, because I think people that get offended should be offended."
@john doe You're Pathetic...
@John The Virgin Doe
Want pathetic? How about you replying to a post that is many years old. You probably have no real friends. You clearly don’t get out much, and by association, don’t get laid either. Much wow. GKY 🤣👎🏻🖕🏻🤣
@john doe I'd like to see you try and write a kernel and operating system that runs the internet and millions of PCs and phones all over the world, while also being secure and modifiable by anyone. I doubt you've ever used a Linux OS.
@john doe Can you provide *any* proof for any of your claims, or did you pull them out of your ass like the rest of the bullshit you spoke?
@john doe LMAO, you do realize if Linus supposedly "copy-pasted" UNIX and all of its code it would be a carbon copy which Linux is *not,* otherwise Linus would've been sued by UNIX's creators and probably in jail right now for plagiarism. It's *UNIX-like,* not a "UNIX copy-paste". Learn the difference you dumb shit and stop bashing Linus since you know you won't ever be as successful as him in your entire lifetime. Just accept it and move on.
The story about the suicidal developer was very shocking, and his current approach of letting someone know early that the work is not what he thinks will work is key. I believe Linus really does have a good heart, despite his ego, and apparent rude honesty.
49:00 my favorite part of the entire talk
***** basically ....
It is clear - from his way and manner of addressing people, his choice of words, that he is honest, clever , kind and very smart.
this video is almost 8 years old but has impeccable audio and video. not a common thing. kudos to people who made that happen.
55:12-57:29-LOVE what Linus says in response to the question about entrepreneurs and vision, and deals with the principles behind vision vs. execution; we desperately need both. And we REALLY need more execution than vision.
He’s so humble, it’s incredible.
Thank you once again Mr. Torvalds for making our world a better and happier place to live.
NVIDIA! ╭∩╮ (o>_
Nvida makes .ko, and we need .so, they liberate the .ko to edit, emacs or txt... I stoped to try three years ago, but dont finished (so im finish the upgrade of machine, now i will try to put on again to retake the task - i had more than one, but work hard in x86-64 pentium D extreme, nvidia 5.1...) So with this machine nvidia and adobe cannot forbide the acces by motherboard contracts. I already wrote fglrx, skrmish, and one more .dll.
Excellent talk, room was full and the Q&A was brilliant and hillarious.
Im glad to say currently in my country there are some laptops coming with preinstalled ubuntu.
For every person who has ever been involved in making of any software either directly or indirectly, THIS is a MUST WATCH! One thing I have learnt from Linus is that you can excel without a vision and manage a huge, massive community without formally planning and managing if all of them are passionate. And that the best teams are actually not more than 3-10 guys, 50 at max, because no individual actually trusts more people than that.
49:57 on nvida. Eight years later, NVidia now has almost 200 repositories on GitHub. Eventually they came around.
K DC jnn
And still no normal open source graphic driver implementation on linux
No it was people not nvidia who made them.
That doesn't mean shit.
When he spoke about pre-installed he's absolutely correct. Also big companys such as Adobe and Game devs will make more software if they get those preinstalls. So i think linux has alot more to go baby :)
"for those of who who're young enough to still be studying, hey! enjoy the hell out of that time!" it really caught me. @43:46
I built my first PC at 13, turning 14. I was obviously a poor teenager, and therefore resorted to the open source OS Ubuntu. 9 years later I was studying full time in IT, and today, now 7 years later, I am a cyber security analyst for a financial corporation. I guess in a way, I owe my livelyhood to Linus
We all do.
I just wanted to know why people dislike this speech. Hey guys, this guy made a nice thing to the world though !!
How cool is it to watch this video and hear the King of Kernel speak from a Linux desktop ?
Thanks Linus, you truly made this world a better place... And don worry Linus, Linux will take over the desktop world one disgruntled and fed-up windows user at the time....
Thanks Linus, thanks uploader!
The last 3 minutes are priceless... Linus is an awesome dude
0:27 Windows 7 sound ? WTF
ahahaha
I wanted to comment about it! LOL
nice catch lol
Lol😅😅
Do you know the win7 sound? what a shame! =P lol
0:27
Hear that sound? It’s the sound of Windows!
😂
Powerful and moving, insightful talk. Thank you !
Respect for this man .
I swear, Linus gets more attractive as he gets older.
Pervert.
OKAY I NOTICED THAT TOO
@@folksurvival Found the Insecure beta. Why are _only_ women allowed to say men are attractive?
You DO realize that saying a man is attractive is INDEPENDENT of your sexual orientation, right? I can acknowledge that lots of men are good looking -- there is no way in hell that I would want to sleep with them though.
@@MichaelPohoreski Lay off the soy.
@@folksurvival Grow the fuck up.
Thank you linus..... for creating linux
very humble here..
Thanks for posting.
2 or 3 years on, yeah, I'd say the raspberry Pi is successful.
Raspberry Pee Eye
His thoughts on hardware, the 3rd iteration of the pi is by far the best of the 3 so far (for full size releases I know they had some mini ones as well)
Now in 2019 I had to giggle as I heard that, the Raspberry Pi iterations are wildly successful. I bought my first Raspi in 2011.
@@Tschudenizer I burst out laughing! Haha. What a legend...
Yeah?
Regarding the single kernel fits all, in a sense Solaris has (or might I say had?) it's approach for sparc/x86 to some extent.
Very cool watching this in 2018 while using Kubuntu Desktop for 5 years and seeing many laptops coming with Ubuntu pre-installed in the Mall.
49:27 good man for standing up for yourself, and everyone else too! Too many big companies just don't care in situations like this.
I am posting this from my Xubuntu 12.04 box. I can tell you this: I love it.
Linux > BSD > * > Mac OS X.
Haven't used BSD. I know it is Unix based, but what is the differentiating factor for it?
20:11 Is Linus referring to the ideas of Richard Stallman?
thanks, man!
Highly inspiring speak that made me proud to one of the IT crowd that actually knows all about issues he spoke about. Basically he is 100% right in doing what he does the way he does it, he has made a community of like minded people linked toward one of the most awesome ideas in the last few decades,and hopefully once the desktop is broken,and it starts to reign supreme over closeminded/codec stuff the mission goal of free will be reached.
Sir, you're my hero
The success open source programming is one of the best arguments for Anarchism as a political philosophy.
IKR ?
like, I know Stallman is sometimes full of crap, but DAMN, I always felt like there's more to open source than just voluntary cooperative development ... it's something that I can not put into words, it's ungraspable, but it's there, and you know the feeling, and it's AWESOME
Thank you !
thanks for sharing aaltouniversityace's channel
11:14 wrote machine code by hand... holy shit
Look up how Roller Coaster Tycoon was programmed. It will blow your mind.
That shit blew my mind too.
Carter Cole We all did that back in the 80's. On cpu's like 6502, 680xx etc. The instruction set's was considerable smaller than on later cpu's, so it looks more impressing that it actually is :). Another thing was that routines often had to be cycle exact, so in addition to type in the OP codes we often had to know how many cycles the cpu used to perform each instruction.
is it like writing assembly?
It is assembly code. Just instead of typing the assembly mnemonics you typed their opcode values instead. After you've typed them hundreds or even thousands times you know them pretty well. Before there came any good assembler we just typed the opcodes in a monitor, directly into the memory. No memory allocations etc. back then. Just hardcore, no relocatable, code :D
The professor/host strikes me as apathetic to Linus. Linus is an interesting guy. Linus, thanks for the contributions to linux. Don't know who wrote the GNU tools grep/awk but they are a DREAM for data analysis.
fordfiveohh Stallman and co at the GNU project wrote grep
The perfect answer.
Happy BD Linus! Do your best, and make it better in future! My BD is today to! i'm computer programer and animator! So it's kind of magic! Thank you for your work, thank for Linux, and thank you for your innovations!
"people who get offended should be offended" awesome closing
@0:20:40 Do you follow development of any new programming languages? Do you see any other languages aside from C suitable for OS dev?
@0:23:43 Why has Linux never been competitive at the desktop level?
@0:27:13 You see yourself as a technical person; growing must had to deal with a lot business related things?
@0:28:05 When you were developing Linux you started it as a project but as the OS grew your perspective changed about the OS. How long did take to change your perspective to your current one?
Clickable timestamps:
20:40 , 23:43 , 27:13 , 28:05
@@user-bm7hh1zn7d Thanks! I've fixed the original. IIRC At the time UA-cam didn't allow for timestamps markup.
This is why necro-posting can be cool. :-)
Michael Pohoreski - Your welcome =)
Yes, you can!!
Watch it all the way to 1:00:30. In the end an nVidia employee has questions. He is really humble and many people know who he works for (people are laughing).
Also thanks to progress made with HTML5 we shall soon say adobe FU!
We still have PDFs to deal with... lol
@@cldream still?
@@cldream PDFs can be opened in chrome and other browsers today without any adobe software. So: Adobe, FU! :D
YEEEAH, and while Affinity is actually putting out way better deals than Adobe for their production software, that's another ADUBE, F U!
I mean there'll always be those hipsters that rafuse to use anything but CS6, but for newer photographers, Affinity is actually a way better deal
and, of course, there's also one of THE BEST open source projects ever, and THE BEST PROGRAM IN THE WORLD(fite me): BLENDER
Blender is singlehandedly taking on both Adobe and Autodesk, and as of version 2.8 they've unofficially wiped the floor with Autodesk
isnt adobe a whole ass company
25:55 first you get the ChromeBook, then you get the pre-installs, then you get the desktop dominance
Words of Inspiration from "The Man Himself".....studying to become a Linux SysAdmin....will always use this operating system, ditched Microsoft in 2002....never looked back (Fedora...ROCKS!...LoL!)\
Rock On Mr. Torvalds....Rock on.
Simply put, in the development of Linux today, in most times, only the best codes reach Linus after the filter
Linus is a True Engineer & he speaks like an engineer. No nonsense, no BS & even more entertaining than I last saw him. :)
this is not engineering. he didn't talk about thread schedule, signaling from ring 3 into interrupts, HAL interfaces, module infrastructure
@@unucellply4221 A project manager is just an old engineer. It's a different aspect of the profession and I've heard him speak about the nitty gritty of the Linux Kernel, like how his philosophy of thread scheduling changed due to Mobile phones (embedded controllers) and how it ticks differently from desktops and servers. Not sure if it's still on YT. My comment is 11 years old so I've watch those vids even further back than that!
Anyway, many of his videos are very old. There are tons of new technology in hardware now.
If you want to learn more about thread scheduling with speculative branching & pipelining and their security implications, there are better vids out there. And then how BIG.little in ARM & x86 cores differ and their implications in hyperthreading especially with AMD Zen 4c coming.
Hardware IRQ & ISR isn't something I'm bothered with anymore. Unless you're a compiler programmer or you actually write kernel code or are involved in hypervisor. Due to security, it's all abstracted away by the Kernel and virtualised.
I think Linus is not involved too much in HAL these days or like at all. My understanding of HAL is from Windows NT4+. From my memory, Linus implemented modules above the monolithic kernel to support loading/unloading of drivers. It certainly is different from Windows HAL in that Windows allow legacy drivers to run in a protected address space in their native 32-bit environment on top of a 64-bit kernel. Some real mode 16-bit drivers in user space may even work provided you run them in a real-mode environment emulator like DOSBox.
This prevents Windows drivers from being able to easily reloaded except for special drivers like Graphics, Mass Storage & Peripherals. Of course, both Linux & NT kernel has evolved a lot since this video.
40:25 why Linux is one of the greatest ever
So so good, I can't even begin to describe. Thank you Linus and thank you Aalto for hosting this. Best thing I've seen in 2019
Thank you for the video
Apple, Google, Amazon, and Twitter are truly despised right now, and Linus Torvalds is unequivocally loved by everyone who knows about him. If someone were to take down any of the 4 digital horsemen, nobody would shed a tear. If Linus ever needed a favor or financial assistance, nobody who knows about him would hesitate to voluntarily, and without asking his permission, start a fund or contribute to one, to help him. This is the power of not partaking in antisocial behavior and business practices. I practice this myself every day. Sharing your ideas and information openly provides you much more power AND HAPPINESS, and the Loyalty of your community, than greedily clinging to secrets and keeping everyone else in the dark about what you're doing.
"Microsoft... ...They're full of shit."
Favorite quote so far
Did you miss the Nvidia part?
0:30:26 If you were to do Linux again what license would you choose?
0:32:12 Do you think Linux is in good hands - if you decide to not touch the computer it would still go on? ("Hit by bus scenario - Who will take over?")
0:35:11 Although you are a technical person and interested in [OS] programming and not interested in other areas, UI, etc. Whatever you say influences a lot of other areas. How do you feel about your influences in those other areas you are not interested in?
Yeah, all two of them!
23:45 - "Why is Linux not competitive on desktop?"
I'd love to see an OS like Zorin OS (which I use daily) or Linux Mint become mainstream. It would be great to see them running on computers out in the wild.
Lol I lost him when he said he wrote straight machine code. That's just mad
It's not that hard compared to assembly, just very inconvenient.
also i managed to fry 3 nvidia cards in only 1 year (2 gtx 460 and 1 560, until i switched over to amd completely and never had any problems with amd cards again.
My hero!. He is a kernel programmer (the real kind in the classic sense). Thanks to him, I have 3.2.0-26 on two machines. 2.6.35-14 MoneyComb Tablet. 2.6.29 Sony Phone. All of these I used daily!.
Linux kernel has to be the most used kernel on this planet by now.
I love it for desktop. It fixes my bootloaders. Recovers my passwords on windows if I forget. it also allows me to have a secure system :) If I ran a computer store I would install linux by default, only windows if they requested.
"I like offending people because I think people who get offended *should* be offended"
superb talk! appreciate it. thanks
I've seen the problem with nVIDIA® firsthand, installing Ubuntu® on a rebuilt eMachines®/Acer® EL1210-09 with Shuttle® upgrade PSU and Asus® EN210/DI/512MD3 upgrade VDA - the LinUX Kernel Project had to reverse-engineer the nVIDIA® MCP78S drivers for Microsoft® Windows® NT™ just to get critical information needed for writing drivers, and the X Organization still couldn't support the GeForce® 210, as of 2012.
37:43
So right on spot! Nailed it!
I must be finnish too! Perhaps in a previous life?
I wanna live there if that's what finnish people are like!
And he is actually right. I myself am from Finland and I can honestly say that when someone asks me to describe a Finnish person or describe the Finnish mindset, I will always tell them 1. honesty, 2. openness and a bit 3. bluntness..
As for living most of my life in Finland I can tell you that many people take those three things granted here. If you want to give a good impression in Finland you must have a totally open mindset and always be honest.
I lived in China for about 2 years as an exchange student and I saw a lot of different kinds of people from all kinds of different cultures there. I had to be that far to realize how similar we all are, all the people around the world, but also what are the small differences between the mindsets of different people affected by their culture. Good example is the Asian idea of the "face".
In short if I would describe the idea of "Finnish face" I would say it like this:
-To lose your face in Finland would require you to be dishonest or in any way deceptive by hiding the truth or the true feelings you have for something.
-It really is better to be totally open about anything but also you should not lose your dignity or make other people lose it.
-Don't be impolite.
(which I think is a bit Linus's personal problem but as an honest person he admits that and many times takes it up in his speech to show other people to not be offended by him if they don't understand where he comes from)
***** I think I'm more into Linus way, perhaps too blunt even for finnish people?
You said "If you want to give a good impression in Finland..." Well, I never try to give any impression to anyone, I don't give a fuck about what impression I give or what people think about me, that's who I am, what you see is what you get, take it or leave it. ;-)
TuxSax
I'm with Tux on this one. People that can get offended are supposed to be offended.
ok so nvidia , apple & microsoft disliked the video :P i am wandering who else :P
jhon doe for sure did
@@bahaaeldin2656 lmao yeah
I can just say...
LIKE A BOSS !
thanks! I wanted to hear the rest... the vid I saw was cut at that part so...