Australian steam locomotive 3801 - An Epic Struggle Up Young Bank
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- Опубліковано 20 кві 2018
- On Sunday April 12th, 1998, 3801 arrived in Young with a tour from Sydney. It was the first train to travel on the branch in some time, and on the way in knocked quite a bit of long grass over and on to the rail head. Just as the train was due to depart heading south back out of town it began to rain, and with the loco now running tender first (due to there being no way to turn it) it was unable to lay sand efficiently. This, combined with the rail head now being covered in wet, crushed grass created an epic struggle for 3801 to make it back up the grade.
i love how sharp and crisp the exhaust beats sound.
Overpressure! I was afraid he was going to blow it up!
richardscathouse, steam locomotives have a safety valve that pops when the locomotive exceeds a safe boiler pressure. The sharp exhaust beats are largely to do with the reverser and throttle being open or closed, mostly depending on the situation (in this case, battling a steep grade with a loaded train).
richardscathouse nothing to do with overpressure, the safety valves would sort that. Just the shape of the blast pipe that’s making the racket.
The ‘Nooga Railfanmar
The valves were set by one of the best in the business.
There is nothing like seeing pure power and stressed metals pulling tons of weight as friction the area of a small coin fails.
tomtalk24 that’s one was to say it
the PSI of that single coin contact patch is what, 5 tons? (I have no idea)
as everything is being digital and solid state, people came to appreciate mechanical thing now
I think some people like steam loco. They do not see only stressed metals pulling tons of weight.
Ironically the friction area of a small coin offers significant reduction of rolling resistance versus conventional rubber tires
its amazing how the crew didn't give up they deserve medals for there efforts
How would they give up? They’d be stuck lol.
wow yes, so brave and strong!!!!!! Our heroes!!
Bravo! No clickbait, no music. Nice!
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Absolutely!
(You and I have the same sense of quality, I think.🙃)
@@danielmcalister2713 00
Yeah but that's one sexy engine
@@yixnorb5971 Yep. Green was an odd color in the US.
I always find steam trains to be a lot more entertaining to watch than fast electric trains
Steam engines have that whimsical trait electric transmission just doesn't have, taming a stallion is way more spectacular than dealing with a draft horse.
The fact you can control torque of an electric engine with power electronics is that's what makes it both reliable and bland in the end (unless you like the sound of power regulators, check here for reference ua-cam.com/video/0tDOVwVVBKY/v-deo.html ).
Takes a huge amount of work and trouble to keep a steam locomotive running as compared to electric or diesel, but they are a thing of mechanical beauty.
The sound of Steam engine is so fascinating...I love them since my childhood
@@thafff
TRAXX is a powerfull beast compare to steam weaklings...
@@WadcaWymiaru Not only it is powerful, but its power is way easier to harness.
Engine: Almost There...........
(Slips)
Engine: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!
This made me laugh way too much
Wolf 3019 2:42
I find it amazing that a steel wheel sitting on a steel rail can ever get enough friction to move at all.
Maybe some sort of tyre could be put on the wheels for more traction.
Simon Tay Utterly useless. Not only would the rubber fail super early on, but the speed of a trail would be significantly reduced.
@@calebcurfman4415
I would agree at high speed but would also mention that the Montréal metro system uses rubber tyres. Smoother ride. Don't know about other metro systems.
@@georgeknowles5327 Metro trains can be lighter though. Main line trains are usually much heavier.
Another problem with rubber tires is that they reduce the efficiency. Steel wheels/tires have very low rolling resistance.
@@Santibag
Yes, I suppose that they're not much heavier than a bus.
As a U.S. locomotive engineer qualified on steam, I was very lucky to have been invited to ride this locomotive during their Long Lunch excursion from Sydney in 2000. My wife was competing as a member of the United States Equestrian Team during the 2000 Sydney Games and the excursion took place on her one day off which permitted me the time off to ride. This is a wonderful locomotive and the entire crew were very welcoming. It was a fantastic trip to Australia and I am grateful for the warm and friendly welcome we received.
I can't respect you enough for the great work you have done properly documenting this. I felt like I was there.
Great video. Sound is superb. I have done this before: hand sanding in the rain, 1: 40 grade, sharp curves, and rusty head on the rail. The rain makes the rust particles from the spinning wheels into a slippery paste. The sharp curves that much harder to drag the train around. So much momentum is lost once the train reaches the curved and graded track. The crew did well here getting her over the bank.
Its a mixture of fun and frustration! Nice 8w in profile pic, healsville unit? I wish i still had my 6w :(
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I love the no diesel helper like here in the USA you would have a diesel helper, here you have to make it on your own merit.
So MUCH power!
Just the traction thing.
Incredible how much torque.
Smoke them tires like nothing.
Não entendi,a tal Lacomotivas?
Não anda ,Nada!
Só faz Barulho?
Parece trem da R.f.f.
It still blows my mind that something so heavy is still powerful enough to spin its wheels like that. Steam locomotives are amazing. Also, I would hate to have to be that guy with the shovel. One wrong move and let's just say a new shovel isn't gonna be the only new thing you need.
welcome to the world of no traction becasue no sand wet rails and a hill equal not a good time
Amazing how the workers handled this situation, I can't imagine it was their first time doing it. I suspect part of the problem was because they were running the loco backwards so only 4 out of 6 driving wheels where getting sand since the sand shoots are located on the front of the wheel.
Sander spout is located in front of the first driven pair on these locomotives. Running in reverse it can't sand for drive traction. I'm not familiar with the station locations so maybe it originally had a turntable. Or the locomotives would enter in reverse so they could go up the grade forwards.
@@Cragified Couldn't they have gone back downhill and sanded the tracks while doing so, then gone back uphill again, gaining momentum?
This is amazing footage! Not only because it shows how beautifully 3801 has now been restored, but also to show the sheer power of this magnificent, Australian-built piece of engineering! Incredible to think that she's been around since 1943. (As a bonus, I was born in Young, so this footage has some personal significance as well.) Thank you so much for sharing!
I agree, 3801 definitely looks better today than it did in this video. Can’t wait to see people like this getting out and filming it more, you used to only be able to find videos from people who dragged a massive camera and tripod to a station platform and now you see groups of people filming with everything from DSLRs to iPads
I was born in 1943, 3801 looks a lot better than i do...
The movement of those pistons was so satisfying
That was absolutely fascinating. Well filmed from angles that really showed the viewer what was going on. Thanks for posting.
Man, Australia has some beautiful streamlined engines
I Love to hear the sound when the wheels are slipping on the rails like this one was. Old school railroading in my book. Thanks for a very good video. (Mississippi gulf coast, USA).
Excellent Great catch and video Thanks for sharing your work!
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@@sunderdass9893 you ok?
When I was a kid in Tasmania, we had a rail line through our farm on a short but steep grade. When it was really wet they used to often have to split the train. We were a couple of miles from Scottsdale.
My maternal grandfather was a steam engine driver up until the late 60's, he would have loved to see and hear this as do I.
2:32 It's very neat to see the fires intensity synchronising with the exhaust blasts.
That was incredible fast thinking engineers to put sand on the tracks a number of things could have gone wrong there where very lucky thanks for the video 👍🇺🇸
great video, really shows how affective a little sand can be
I like how when the wheels spin, the train wobbles a little. Kinda makes me think of a person trying not to fall over on ice xD
I agree. She's trying her best!
Hahaha didnt saw it intill your comment
nice videography to catch the wheelslip there. Seriously interesting, even kinda fun to watch. Something makes me doubt it was fun for the crew, though.
This is the perfect example of what we have lost in the age of modern diesel trains... steams trains are just so much more amazing to look at, very well designed, and overall just beautiful works of art. If we had designed diesels to at Least LOOK like steam trains in a way, then maybe I would like them more. (I feel the same about the way classic cars look compared to modern cars, classic cars always look so much cooler.)
I grew up in Cessnock in the Hunter Valley. The coal was still moved by steam trains - from memory, well into the late 70's - and on cold winter mornings you could often hear the trains slipping on the tracks, along with the somewhat eerie sound of the train whistle. Wonderful machines. Not everything about progress is good.
Looks very familiar. I worked in the Norfolk Southern (US) shops. Sometimes on-track equipment would stall, and we couldn't get them in/out of the shops. So, like this video, we, too, took a box of sand and spread it under the wheels so as to get moving. We, too, had steam excursion engines, most notably NW 611. I also got to work with this engine.
WHAT VALIANT EFFORT. IT MAKES ONE FEEL AS THOUGH 3801 IS REALLY A LIVING THING.
An excellent video - so pleased you were there to record this!
I worked at the SRA of NSW in Newcastle in the 1980's when 3801 was doing weekend runs. she would have to use the triangle between Broadmeadow/Islington and Hamilton and would be controlled by the signal box I was a Signalman at, ( Woodville junction ) It was glorious in full flight and throwing the levers to switch 3801 onto the main line involved quite a few tough lever pulls!
The little engine that almost could't.
I'd like some sand
I'd like some sand
I'd like some sand
I'd like some sand
lol
Loco was build by Ankin Skywalker...he HATE the sand!
One thing about steam locomotives THEY NEVER QUIT
This reminds me of most of my childhood. As we live on the Liverpool to Manchester Railway, the section through Whiston, which is between Huyton and Rainhill, where the Rainhill Trials took place is a gradient, our back garden was twice the height of the trains, many of which would have to stop right underneath us. The sound and the vibrations would go through you, but the desire to stay and watch was stronger than the fear of the noise..
Awesome work on capturing this moment in time.
Great video all round, thank you very much!
During my childhood days, I too used to see how the engine used to struggle with wheel slips. The staff used to pour sand over the tracks to facilitate the engine for a smooth hauling. It's a trill even today to watch the steam engine. The Rhythematic noice it makes during it's travel is so mesmerizing. One has to feel it.
Old Henry, he was giving it all he had.
I’m not really into trains but there’s something really satisfying about watching and listening to a steam locomotive work.
Excellent video, shows good teamwork. The Engineer knower what he doing, and his crew know their stuff. Maybe, a double header lashed back to back would have made this excursion go a little less stressful. But that life of the railroad, the good with the less than good, but never bad.
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My respects to that dude, I would've pissed myself getting that close to the wheels.
Why not? The machine is slow, but powerfull
@@wdowa94 it's dangerous also , how it immediately rotates fastly, it can Crush any human being easily.
when I was a kid, we still had steam locomotives, grandpa would take us to the station to show the locomotives. Standing near the wheels, sometimes steam would be released (i guess there is a valve near the wheels), and I would run away scared 🤣🤣🤣
That's pretty much what it takes to get me up a flight of stairs, these days.
Looked sort of like Biden climbing stairs...
lol
I remember seeing the 3801 pass by when I was a kid. Used to do a few runs between Newcastle and Sydney every few weeks. Gotta love the sound of an old steam loco!
A 38 class used to regularly haul the Newcastle Flyer every day of the week. If it wasn't a 38 it would be a 36.
Even the mighty struggle at times. Great video.
The Driver has great response to wheel slip and a feel for the grip and control of the power...most of the time...does concern they are digging sand from the bank that holds them up...:-) Great Footage
Sadly, I disagree. The driver DOESN'T have a great response. After the fourth time with the wheels spinning out, he should've simply got the train moving, ..then let it slowly chuff upward. He's mostly having trouble because he's trying to build speed and momentum, and there's simply not enough friction available to do that.
Every engineers worst enemy: a soft drizzle.
Soft drizzle is nothing compared to wet leaves on the track
@@lonewolf2156 True. At least that season is pretty limited in time. Here in sweden they have cut down the trees along the lines to prevent them from falling over the OHLE and a positive side effect is that we seldom get leaves on the tracks at all. :) I only ride on the northern parts of the system so I don´t know how it is in the south though...
in the UK the rail service have a excuse for all types of weather.
Very, very true.
turokforever007 The comment is indeed true. If it is going to rain, you want it to pour down. Drizzle, especially on rusty rail makes them very slippery.
Poor old train does not deserve the struggle. It's already put it's years in. Retire it and let it stand proud as a piece of history that people can climb thru and look at first hand.
@Minecraft777 That is awesome. When it was chugging so hard, it reminded me of myself and trying to breathe during an asthma attack so I felt so bad for it. I know, that's silly to say the least.
You can't deny steam or ice, amazing
Great video, incredible effort for that locomotive!
This video is awesome. Thanks for the great sound. I think I can, I think I can! Reminds me of Norfolk & Western J-611 both today and when I was a kid.
Awesome. Thank you for posting.
I think all adds to a great display of this train.
such an interesting video, thank you for uploading this. I'm from a country that trains are non-existent so this is super fun to watch
2:42 bet he greased the track at this spot so he could get this footage xD
The dudes just laying sand on the tracks and spots an empty 44 gallon drum of lube on the side of the track
Weirdly enough, “gunzel sabotage” actually contributed to a fatal accident involving this very locomotive in 1990. It is thought that handbrakes may have been applied by passengers on a steam special causing the train to wheel slip and stall on Cowan bank. The sand applied by the loco caused the track circuits to malfunction and the following inter urban train was given a wrong side green aspect and subsequently plowed into the back of the special.
@@Jerram89 oh the Cowan bank disaster, my pop and dad were in the cab of 3801 when it happened. They were in the cab because my pop used to drive 3801 until 2008, when I was born. He sadly passed away earlier this year...
Пробуксовка 😁
@@thatonec_set3730 may he rest in peace and my condolence for his passing
Love to see the steam engines in action...makes my heart skip a beat. 😳I saw the old Chessie Steam Special on a couple of runs...got to stand above the stack on the cat walk and was able to catch many aromas before she headed out.🥰
The amount of torque on display here is just insane, i can only imagine how hard it must be to control such amount of power
Those 38's certainly weren't designed to run in reverse very much with the sanders placed for mainly forward running.
That´s it. You can see the sand get down to the weels, but on the wrong side 🙄
@@TheKalle45 you can still use it to drop sand but you'll have to wait a bit until the centre axle hits it
Especially this one which is bulletnose streamlined...the only restored one of its' class.
Damn hobo's greased the rails again to hop the train! :)
blame shoestring
I've heard that actually happened, to make it easier to hop a freight...
@@haroldwilkes6608, whenyou have the opportunity, watch the 1973 movie "Emperor of the North Pole" with Lee Marvin & Ernest Borgnine. The hobos did it in the movie.
@@ernestanderson3726 Darn, I've seen that movie (not lately) and had forgotten that part. Thanks for the reminder.
Epic tale, many thanks !!
What a battle. And recorded. Ye har. Hand laying samd what a contest
Every rail fan's dream.to see and feel the steam engine and the power it packs is awesome..my suggestion is to use sand bags in these difficult terrains and avoid the nightmare.hope my suggestion is taken into consideration
That exhaust bark is so awesome. Reminds me of Nickle Plate Road 765.
Yep! It sure does! I'd say that SP&S 700 and SP 4449 are pretty darn loud too!
Hello there! May I use this clip in my compilation?
Thanks.
This video is under copyright to Train Pictures. You can use a couple of minutes of it, as long as what you use is credited to this video. Please send me the link to your finished production. Thanks, Bevan Wall
thanks!@@bwDVD
5:50 ....absolutely close to tipping point!! Firebox about to melt, steam shell about to burst, cranking gear about to splinter....such palpable mechanical and thermal tension!!! I have just participated in the making of an epic 3801 movie....kudos Dvd
Every body get out and push.
My doctor has forbidden me to push.
You shall never come out again.
good idea
Ronnie Lobello Okay, One, Two, Three push!!! Ha ha ha ha
On the way down, it will be great though
THANK YOU FOR DETAIL VIDEO JUST HARD REAL THAT TRAIN GO UP YOUNG BANK
Great film ! - thank you !
it's a fine line between pleasure and pain.
well done old girl! That railway needs a turntable OR sanding equipment fitted to the tenders if they are going to run tail first!
That sound is amazing!!!
What a sound... Loved it
Long lasting wheels and rails spells the weakness of poor traction. It hasn't changed much either. I remember as a daily commuter any number of times sliding past the stations in poor wx conditions.
I bet this one won't run backwards ever again.
At least not uphill!! But if you have a pass and no way to turn the engine around, you do your best. Simply brilliant video.
“I told you Richard, drinking backwards never works.”
That's sound so very therapeutic
Beautiful! Nice work.
Wow that exhaust bark sounds like gunshots, have never seen a steam locomotive that sounds like that.
That sounds nothing like gunshots.
I was thinking the same thing, very sharp note
It's every 1/4 turn of the drive wheels the piston sets in a different position and vents the opposite steam. it helps draw air through the firebox and makes it burn hotter, so that you can get hotter steam quicker at speed. at low speed the steam pressurizes longer, which cause it to slightly condense in the chamber, the resulting super saturated steam in the cylinder, when it is released into the stack, creates that booming note you are hearing., not unlike a shotgun blank, but not as instantaneous.
Yeah it sounds like the world's worst machine gun, awful
@@oliverbendt3104 Why do you have a problem with such a beautiful sound?
That sharp steam barking sound doesn’t sound good. Would hate to think this is causing stress and damage
This sharp exhaust beat is synonymous with the 38 class. They have a very distinctive exhaust. You may be interested to know that in the last few weeks, the overhauled boiler of 3801 has been in steam and it won’t be too long before she is back in operation.
I've ridden behind two American 4-8-4 Northerns, and they produce this same sharp shotgun exhaust. If you have ever ridden behind the Spokane, Portland, and Seattle Railway (SP&S) 700 or the world-famous Southern Pacific Daylight 4449, then you'll know what I'm talking about!
After watching this video so many times, I'm asking how I missed your comment.
@@bigkiwimike sehq.
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Fact of the day: if a steam engine is heading a train,you know it will put on a good show
I remember this so well, and so will all those other kids.
We lived on the railway line and knew most of the engineers and firemen, the freight trains came through every day most of the year and had trouble climbing the grade where we lived.
A flat penny on the line was a good trade item at school.
We always got a long whistle from the engineers when they went past.
I'd give everything to go back to those days.
rumors are that they are still trying
Fantastic video! Just wondering. Once stalled, why could the train not 'back down' a few lengths, spreading sand as it went, then use that to gain traction?
Such an incredible example of pure power.
love steam trains, remind me of being a kid, the noise is lovely...
This is what a steam burnout sounds like...awesome...
Serie C38 4-6-2 de NSWGR diseñada por Harold Young en 1943. La 3801 se conserva en el Museo del Transporte de NSW, Thirlmere. Espectaculares imagenes estimado Rock Solid. Thanks for shared.
Such an Amazing Footage of an Engine struggling.
wow never seen anything like this awesome video mate!!!
When u have a sander and drive backwards xD
Now that's what I call Stack TALK of one of Australia's Super Power!
I don't know much about trains but I would say a very skilled engine driver was driving that train.👍
What a remarkable video! Thanks for sharing!!!
I just couldn't do that to the engine! All it needs is a bit more patience and another 100 yards of dry sand...
I can feel the torque of the engine. A little more traction would make the job easier
Great video, thanks.
Fascinating to watch, thank you.
It's like the children's story "The Little Engine That Could."
@bwDVD, Bevan, Don't mean to question this, but didn't you already uploaded this clip some years back?
Still a good scene of 3801 nonethless.
Yep. A shorter version at a much lower resolution.
Great Video . What a " Battle Royal " . Bravo Zulu to the Crew . Power not an issue . Too MUCH . And the Old Girl sounds CRISP .
Love that exhaust blast! Beautiful, skilled driving in difficult conditions.
Fireman has the steam perfect, too!
And to restart in such conditions... great teamwork!
I am surprised that there is no rear sanding facility, even a crude funnel and pipe to manually pour a bag of sand from the cab
the thing is that these engines were built to drive forward, now they need sometimes to drive backwards because most of the turntables are gone...