@@FoLeY172 I miss the scythe so much.. Wish they added it as an accessory on the succ sorc. I mean you still equip it so where do you hide that massive scythe? It should be on your back at least
thank you for this informative video as always :3 think that my heart will always belong to scythe. it is what sets the class apart imo and even if it is quite hard compared to other classes/succ, there is something very satisfying about it ~
Ive been playing the game for about two weeks and new stuff just keeps popping up. It's so overwhelming but I definitely love playing the sorc. This video was super helpful.
I don't fully agree with the 1v1 explanation, sure 1v1ing as succession against musas, maehwas, good ninjas, kunos, archers and awakening sorcs is quite traumatic (unable to hit to regain shards and constantly being pressured so your stamina runs out super quick makes them super though) , but on the other hand it does perform way better against guardian, warrior, striker and mystic than awakening sorc will ever do (just by being able to apply pressure and sometimes even killing without having to rely on combo or CC at all on those match-ups where a CC is not always an option or enough), from my pov both awak and succ are good at 1v1 but on different matchups, would call it a draw if it were not cos the meta is filled with classes that "counter" awak sorc, considering that, succ is slightly better on 1v1. Other than that, good video again and im actually looking fowards on going back to awakening soon just so i can get tilted with resists a bit more.
Best thing to take away from this is that: “Is just a game we play for fun. Play whatever you like”. Such a subjective and individual topic that it can cause controversy among the community. The PvE part is a no brainer because we got numbers. But the PvP side there are too many variables to consider. I actually perform way better in awakening than succession in large scale and pvp in general. That being said my Siege roll is not being with the main ball. So there’s that to consider too. Good video :)
it's even the same in pve, who cares about numbers, it's fun that matters. I bet there's another class that has way better numbers than succ sorc, doesn't mean we all should switch from sorc because of that tho :D
how much % the trashloot difference between succ and awa? everybody say succ overall better, but i think the scythe is more badass, but i rather ignore awa if i can get a lot more in succession.
i find it funny that there are some peeps out there that think Hashashin is male sorc. the only thing they have in common is their reliance on stamina, nocap
Thanks for the comparison Heedun, playing sorc since 5 month now, swip swapped a little from awa/succ, then i RNGesus blessed me with a PEN Dande, I went full awa and, welp... I see the skill ceiling xd swapped to succ now in order to fully master the base skills & then I wanna go awa again, it´s just more fun with more variables. Until then, my Dande is at least nice to see in the inventory, it gives me motivation I guess, just like your Vids/Streams.. c; Greetz!
I'm currently pushing for experience I'm under protection in my guild and only have pve add ons for awakening I'm PEN kzarka PEN Dande 271 ap 273 aap tet kutum 2159 SP would it be better to be succ like in this video or is it outdated? Thank you so much for all your information on sorc by the way you have made me as good as I am today. (I still get up early to grind on pvp servers for extra drop rate I'm just really wanting exp right now lol)
Very good video.. Do you think awakening sorc is more dependable on ping and fps than succession sorc? I've been playing with 170-200 ping my whole life and it makes a HUGE difference in 1v1 pvp.
@@Viridriell thanks yes I know he said the class is very fps and ping dependent and ive known that for 2 years however I feel succession is a better alternative if you have bad internet over awakening. With awakening you must counter exactly on time so this need the low ping however succession has more protection during skills and because you push the pace of the fight its slightly less pind dependent. I want to know if someone feels similar. I do struggle a lot against other fast classes in 1v1 when the guys live next to the server. 170ms ping vs 20ping means I get around 1x cc every 1/5 fights if I am lucky against another good sorc or even a low ping Succession wizard. And lets not talk about the lower damage output on high ping due to timing :/
@@bloodwolf9428 I feel you completely mate. Been trying to decide between maining awakening or succ sorc for the past week, and I finally decided on rolling a succ first to grind much more efficiently and then learn awakening if I want to. I love awakening's style, but it'll be much less efficient for me to just start out as scythe sorc. And I agree, succession is much more forgiving for high ping / low fps players. I myself suffer from fps drops and I feel succession's kit, especially with her pressure playstyle rather than awakening's reactive one makes me feel more comfortable. Also I think succ fares better in matchups against Guardian and Hashashin, especially in low gearscore. Wish you best of luck in your journey! Mine just began aswell. ^^
@@ferocious1288 To check your game's ping (latency), you view the latency through your PC's Resource monitor. First, open the Task Manager (CTRL-ALT-DELETE) and select the "Open Resource Monitor" from the Performance tab forum.blackdesertonline.com/index.php?/topic/17353-check-your-ping-latency/#:~:text=To%20check%20your%20game's%20ping,tab%2C%20look%20for%20TCP%20Connections.
Hello, I am a new player, do you mind doing a more update and overall guide for sorceress, I'm interested in like what combo or what skill in use in pve/pvp. Like what skill to catch people, what skill you use for mobility( I think you already have a video for that), what is protected and what is you mind set coming into a 1v1 and node war. Also skill build? I don't mind watching like a 1 hr video. Thanks for reading, also great video.
Only thing I would say is missing is t1 nodewars comparison which are severely different from the uncapped t2+ I know you don't have any experience in those, since war is permanent t2+, I would love to give my opinion on it, but I only play awakening so I can't really compare both of them What I can compare is my experience between t1 and t2+ nodewars on awakening and, well, it's much better on t1 because you can survive group fights even when dishing out damage on super armor, a grim reaper or cartian nightmare will almost never get you killed (unless you positioned yourself badly) and due to everyone being more squishy it won't just be a cc bot skill, a normal grim reaper can dish out a lot of damage Awakening sorc always thrived when fighting more" manshas" like players, and on t1 the players will feel as tanky as a 310dp does when you have like 280 ap I think succession sorc is as good as on t2+ but at least awakening won't fall as behind as it's counterpart on t1
Hi heedun, is it necessary to wear tet red corals x2 on succ sorc (losing that 6 ap) would still retain the 261 ap bracket so am wondering if it would be more beneficial to get the extra bracket or the accuracy l do alot of rbf and battle arena and little grinding as l cant grind for more than an hour l ask this coz people say sorc has terrible accuracy (yet l see skills with 29% xD)
You are right, sorc accu isn't that bad anymore. They buffed a lot and a lot of ppl might still have ptsd of the time before absulte skills, where sorc barely had any skill with accu on it. In my opinion you should only go for even one rce if you have more ap. Going for double rce at 261 doesn't help that much imo. The ppl where accu really matters, you won't be able to kill with 261 anyways, so there is no need. My experience was, that sorc benefits extremely from high ap. So going to 289+ should be your first priority, then maybe try to keep that lvl with rces
@@TheLeg4tus Tnx so for instance, wouldnt high accuracy greatly increase the dmg of prime black wave and other dmg skills with 0 ~ 5% accuracy? From my knowledge people in rbf run evasion which normally translates to low DR (isnt accuracy the main reason dk for instance deals stupid dmg with enforcement?) l personally find my self using black wave in some scenarios when l dont wana get close or looking for downsmash and l feel awee bit accuracy would help against those ninjas Also for me currently its a question of either 267 ap or 261ap with tet rce x2 Eitherway am not gaining that 288ap you talk about coz it requires pen weapons and distortions etc (years of work) but must still find away to optimize my current power level for best value Thoughts?
@@alispeed5095 If you can push that 267ap to 269ap then it could be better than 2x RCE at 261ap IMO however this depends. Do you run 4 Han Hooms and Jins vipers in your bhegs ?. You have 3 options there. 261ap with 2x RCE, 265ap with 1x RCE or 269 with no RCE. Honestly if you can push 269ap with 1 x RCE that would be the best.
@@alispeed5095 It always depends. You might meet certain opponents where the accuracy helps a lot, on the other hand you are talking about the biggest brackets (265 with +21 extra ap and you would only need 2 more ap for 269 +15) In general the 3 brackets (261,65,69) are probably the most important milestones to reach and i would guess that on average you get more out of them (also a big boost in pve). In a specific situation i would say, yes the rces could be better but 2 of them is prob. overkill for a long while for you.
It's the first time me watching this. UA-cam suggests me watching your older content since I started getting interested in sorc. I just realized that I am in your video. In last clip of calph siege... Greetings from ex-DeSync player. Great info btw. Looking into awake sieć and it's nice to hear opinion of someone who plays both. Maybe if you see it now, you may let me know if awake spec is good in sycraia and SE. Thanks for the vid
Idk ive not played since 2019, and awakening was still fairly new to me back then. As I've played off and on since NA early access, to me "succession" looks exactly the same as base skills. Still not sure how it's any different and i used all of those skills for years on end. Even Still used alot post awakening as well, as most decent specs from my understanding had to make use of normal and awakening skills to be any good. Sorcs that just spin to win spam are pretty trash tier.
Sorceress is really fun to play but also quit difficult, I find my Lahn and Guardian easier and more fun (mostly PvE and Life Skilling btw.) Love the content ❤️ keep ‘em coming 👍😉
@@tusuperior1012 They lie.. Its a top tier, solid grinder everywhere but its not number one at any particular spots. Holytaboo Gaming has some good tier list pve videos on Hystria, Aakman, Stars end ect.. Sorc in general struggles at lower level spots where you need to run between packs. We struggle at Manshaums and Aakman cause of our cc's. We can still grind there but to pull of good money we need o put in lots of effort
how about PVE between awakening and succession PEN Dandelion with Caphras in 19T +TET blackstar VS TET blackstar +Ultimate Katan which one is the best????
IMHO, Scythe Sorc is a lot easier than Succ Sorc - this is after one has mastered both stances. Scythe Sorc is incredibly safe compared to stamina hog Succ Sorc. Scythe has S block, C swap block linger, Nightmare, Cartian's Nightmare - the list goes on. Succ Sorc, on the other hand, is much less safe - having to consume ability cooldowns and stamina to stay protected. Succ cannot press RMB and wait until stamina replenishes. To me, Sycthe has a much higher skill floor than Succ, but Succ has a slightly higher skill ceiling, due to not having these safe abilities that allow the Sorc to replenish stamina - the most crucial hard statistic for Sorc, aside from AP and accuracy.
Awakening is badass cause of the scythe but succ is just pure fun and the crows are fire I don't care makes me feel like an omen of death Even though my character's name is Peach lol I'm an xbox player btw
The fact that I lose scythe it sucks... totally. You lose the sorc feeling and how it was intended to be played, with a damn looking cool as fuck scythe! But I don't do PVP as I hate that shit like cancer. I only like PVE so is still a hard choice, the lose of a cool thing just for more damage. Hmmm...
You got buffed again!... let sorc die and give someone else a turn lol. I dont even play DK and I want her to return to glory. Awk dk is far too cool to be as bad as it is (I'm on console)
Meanwhile: **me picking this class bc it has a scythe**
you forgot the most important thing in awake sorc. scythe is just overall badass looking.
Exactly what I was going to say!
@@FoLeY172 I miss the scythe so much.. Wish they added it as an accessory on the succ sorc. I mean you still equip it so where do you hide that massive scythe? It should be on your back at least
Tbh I picked sorc because of the cool ass scythe and enjoyed awk for a long time, but I just have way more fun with succ.
@Alex H. Succ is easier I guess
Best bdo video I’ve seen in the month I’ve been playing. Concise and yet full of need to know info. Very well done, thank you.
Much appreciated!
I've never played Sorc but this video is so informative that I watched the entire thing. Thank you for the effort.
Succ: no death scythe .
Awk: death scythe.
other bdo youtubers should take this video as an example for their comparison videos.
only thing missing from this is timestaps for each category.
You're too kind
thank you for this informative video as always :3 think that my heart will always belong to scythe. it is what sets the class apart imo and even if it is quite hard compared to other classes/succ, there is something very satisfying about it ~
Ive been playing the game for about two weeks and new stuff just keeps popping up. It's so overwhelming but I definitely love playing the sorc. This video was super helpful.
I don't fully agree with the 1v1 explanation, sure 1v1ing as succession against musas, maehwas, good ninjas, kunos, archers and awakening sorcs is quite traumatic (unable to hit to regain shards and constantly being pressured so your stamina runs out super quick makes them super though) , but on the other hand it does perform way better against guardian, warrior, striker and mystic than awakening sorc will ever do (just by being able to apply pressure and sometimes even killing without having to rely on combo or CC at all on those match-ups where a CC is not always an option or enough), from my pov both awak and succ are good at 1v1 but on different matchups, would call it a draw if it were not cos the meta is filled with classes that "counter" awak sorc, considering that, succ is slightly better on 1v1.
Other than that, good video again and im actually looking fowards on going back to awakening soon just so i can get tilted with resists a bit more.
Agreed
Where does lahn come into play? I made an awakening lahn and I want to endgame pvp! I’m new to game
Can anyone tell me how to manage mana on sorc in order to not to flush yourself within seconds?
first option : use spirit perfume(recover mana per hit)
second option: put addons for mana regen at dream of doom
what is the name of the outfit you are using?
Best thing to take away from this is that: “Is just a game we play for fun. Play whatever you like”. Such a subjective and individual topic that it can cause controversy among the community. The PvE part is a no brainer because we got numbers. But the PvP side there are too many variables to consider. I actually perform way better in awakening than succession in large scale and pvp in general. That being said my Siege roll is not being with the main ball. So there’s that to consider too. Good video :)
it's even the same in pve, who cares about numbers, it's fun that matters. I bet there's another class that has way better numbers than succ sorc, doesn't mean we all should switch from sorc because of that tho :D
how much % the trashloot difference between succ and awa? everybody say succ overall better, but i think the scythe is more badass, but i rather ignore awa if i can get a lot more in succession.
I don't understand how does awak or secc happen?
Hi heedun. Really nice video first of all, you have probably invested some good time doing it so props for your hard work to inform us newbs
I’m sorry. I’m shallow so whichever has the scythe is the best
Amazing video! Thank you!
i find it funny that there are some peeps out there that think Hashashin is male sorc. the only thing they have in common is their reliance on stamina, nocap
Thanks for the comparison Heedun, playing sorc since 5 month now, swip swapped a little from awa/succ, then i RNGesus blessed me with a PEN Dande, I went full awa and, welp... I see the skill ceiling xd swapped to succ now in order to fully master the base skills & then I wanna go awa again, it´s just more fun with more variables. Until then, my Dande is at least nice to see in the inventory, it gives me motivation I guess, just like your Vids/Streams.. c; Greetz!
what about guardian is better on pve then sorc ?
I'm currently pushing for experience I'm under protection in my guild and only have pve add ons for awakening I'm PEN kzarka PEN Dande 271 ap 273 aap tet kutum 2159 SP would it be better to be succ like in this video or is it outdated? Thank you so much for all your information on sorc by the way you have made me as good as I am today. (I still get up early to grind on pvp servers for extra drop rate I'm just really wanting exp right now lol)
Very good video.. Do you think awakening sorc is more dependable on ping and fps than succession sorc? I've been playing with 170-200 ping my whole life and it makes a HUGE difference in 1v1 pvp.
Yes my friend, he literally said that in the video. Awakening is definitely more fps-ping dependant.
@@Viridriell thanks yes I know he said the class is very fps and ping dependent and ive known that for 2 years however I feel succession is a better alternative if you have bad internet over awakening. With awakening you must counter exactly on time so this need the low ping however succession has more protection during skills and because you push the pace of the fight its slightly less pind dependent. I want to know if someone feels similar.
I do struggle a lot against other fast classes in 1v1 when the guys live next to the server. 170ms ping vs 20ping means I get around 1x cc every 1/5 fights if I am lucky against another good sorc or even a low ping Succession wizard. And lets not talk about the lower damage output on high ping due to timing :/
@@bloodwolf9428 I feel you completely mate. Been trying to decide between maining awakening or succ sorc for the past week, and I finally decided on rolling a succ first to grind much more efficiently and then learn awakening if I want to. I love awakening's style, but it'll be much less efficient for me to just start out as scythe sorc. And I agree, succession is much more forgiving for high ping / low fps players. I myself suffer from fps drops and I feel succession's kit, especially with her pressure playstyle rather than awakening's reactive one makes me feel more comfortable. Also I think succ fares better in matchups against Guardian and Hashashin, especially in low gearscore.
Wish you best of luck in your journey! Mine just began aswell. ^^
Where to check ping?
@@ferocious1288 To check your game's ping (latency), you view the latency through your PC's Resource monitor.
First, open the Task Manager (CTRL-ALT-DELETE) and select the "Open Resource Monitor" from the Performance tab
forum.blackdesertonline.com/index.php?/topic/17353-check-your-ping-latency/#:~:text=To%20check%20your%20game's%20ping,tab%2C%20look%20for%20TCP%20Connections.
so awakening is really good for pvp unless you're doing pvp
Hello, I am a new player, do you mind doing a more update and overall guide for sorceress, I'm interested in like what combo or what skill in use in pve/pvp. Like what skill to catch people, what skill you use for mobility( I think you already have a video for that), what is protected and what is you mind set coming into a 1v1 and node war. Also skill build? I don't mind watching like a 1 hr video. Thanks for reading, also great video.
i need a reroll 100% my class gets boring :/ and i want to play sorc but she looks so hard tho i dont know if i can handle her im so bad at combos lol
Maybe a $tupld question, but can you switch between Awakening and Succession? Or is once chosen always chosen?
SsanSsan can you change for “free” or do you need a coupon or are there other repercussions? Like do you loose something?
SsanSsan ok nice 🙏 thanks 👍
awk just got more buffs for pve, is it better now?
Basically Sorc Succession is the class I thought I chose at launch, but later became this fidget spinner.
What is the pvp succesion combo? I can't find it anywhere
Only thing I would say is missing is t1 nodewars comparison which are severely different from the uncapped t2+
I know you don't have any experience in those, since war is permanent t2+, I would love to give my opinion on it, but I only play awakening so I can't really compare both of them
What I can compare is my experience between t1 and t2+ nodewars on awakening and, well, it's much better on t1 because you can survive group fights even when dishing out damage on super armor, a grim reaper or cartian nightmare will almost never get you killed (unless you positioned yourself badly) and due to everyone being more squishy it won't just be a cc bot skill, a normal grim reaper can dish out a lot of damage
Awakening sorc always thrived when fighting more" manshas" like players, and on t1 the players will feel as tanky as a 310dp does when you have like 280 ap
I think succession sorc is as good as on t2+ but at least awakening won't fall as behind as it's counterpart on t1
Hey guys when is awakening or ascension possible
@56 you get awkening on consoles, if u r on a computer than u get both @ that level
Would you consider this video still valid with the buffs we've seen the past few months?
More or less yes the gap is a bit closer
i main kuno but im gonna make a sorc alt with the new tagging system coming up, think im gonna go awake scythe is just too cool :)
Great video! I appreciate all the sorc content
Hi heedun, is it necessary to wear tet red corals x2 on succ sorc (losing that 6 ap) would still retain the 261 ap bracket so am wondering if it would be more beneficial to get the extra bracket or the accuracy
l do alot of rbf and battle arena and little grinding as l cant grind for more than an hour
l ask this coz people say sorc has terrible accuracy (yet l see skills with 29% xD)
Pen offin go brrrrrrrrrr
You are right, sorc accu isn't that bad anymore. They buffed a lot and a lot of ppl might still have ptsd of the time before absulte skills, where sorc barely had any skill with accu on it. In my opinion you should only go for even one rce if you have more ap. Going for double rce at 261 doesn't help that much imo. The ppl where accu really matters, you won't be able to kill with 261 anyways, so there is no need. My experience was, that sorc benefits extremely from high ap. So going to 289+ should be your first priority, then maybe try to keep that lvl with rces
@@TheLeg4tus Tnx so for instance, wouldnt high accuracy greatly increase the dmg of prime black wave and other dmg skills with 0 ~ 5% accuracy?
From my knowledge people in rbf run evasion which normally translates to low DR (isnt accuracy the main reason dk for instance deals stupid dmg with enforcement?)
l personally find my self using black wave in some scenarios when l dont wana get close or looking for downsmash and l feel awee bit accuracy would help against those ninjas
Also for me currently its a question of either 267 ap or 261ap with tet rce x2
Eitherway am not gaining that 288ap you talk about coz it requires pen weapons and distortions etc (years of work) but must still find away to optimize my current power level for best value
Thoughts?
@@alispeed5095 If you can push that 267ap to 269ap then it could be better than 2x RCE at 261ap IMO however this depends. Do you run 4 Han Hooms and Jins vipers in your bhegs ?.
You have 3 options there. 261ap with 2x RCE, 265ap with 1x RCE or 269 with no RCE. Honestly if you can push 269ap with 1 x RCE that would be the best.
@@alispeed5095 It always depends. You might meet certain opponents where the accuracy helps a lot, on the other hand you are talking about the biggest brackets (265 with +21 extra ap and you would only need 2 more ap for 269 +15) In general the 3 brackets (261,65,69) are probably the most important milestones to reach and i would guess that on average you get more out of them (also a big boost in pve). In a specific situation i would say, yes the rces could be better but 2 of them is prob. overkill for a long while for you.
It's the first time me watching this. UA-cam suggests me watching your older content since I started getting interested in sorc. I just realized that I am in your video. In last clip of calph siege... Greetings from ex-DeSync player. Great info btw. Looking into awake sieć and it's nice to hear opinion of someone who plays both. Maybe if you see it now, you may let me know if awake spec is good in sycraia and SE. Thanks for the vid
scythe gang forever 😤
Idk ive not played since 2019, and awakening was still fairly new to me back then. As I've played off and on since NA early access, to me "succession" looks exactly the same as base skills. Still not sure how it's any different and i used all of those skills for years on end. Even Still used alot post awakening as well, as most decent specs from my understanding had to make use of normal and awakening skills to be any good. Sorcs that just spin to win spam are pretty trash tier.
I played both awakening and succession but i mainly play awakening...
But overall i like both
Sorceress is really fun to play but also quit difficult, I find my Lahn and Guardian easier and more fun (mostly PvE and Life Skilling btw.)
Love the content ❤️ keep ‘em coming 👍😉
so sorc is the best pve class in bdo ?
Succ Sorc is, yes!! Succ Wizard is a close second
@@systemdown690 noice to hear!
far from it
@@cain7925 but everyone's saying it's the best
@@tusuperior1012 They lie.. Its a top tier, solid grinder everywhere but its not number one at any particular spots. Holytaboo Gaming has some good tier list pve videos on Hystria, Aakman, Stars end ect..
Sorc in general struggles at lower level spots where you need to run between packs. We struggle at Manshaums and Aakman cause of our cc's. We can still grind there but to pull of good money we need o put in lots of effort
ninja awk vs succ pls
how about PVE between awakening and succession
PEN Dandelion with Caphras in 19T +TET blackstar VS TET blackstar +Ultimate Katan
which one is the best????
Great thx 🙏🏽
Whats Mcmorrigan doing now-a-days, aint seen him stream for a while FeelsBadMan
IMHO, Scythe Sorc is a lot easier than Succ Sorc - this is after one has mastered both stances. Scythe Sorc is incredibly safe compared to stamina hog Succ Sorc. Scythe has S block, C swap block linger, Nightmare, Cartian's Nightmare - the list goes on. Succ Sorc, on the other hand, is much less safe - having to consume ability cooldowns and stamina to stay protected. Succ cannot press RMB and wait until stamina replenishes. To me, Sycthe has a much higher skill floor than Succ, but Succ has a slightly higher skill ceiling, due to not having these safe abilities that allow the Sorc to replenish stamina - the most crucial hard statistic for Sorc, aside from AP and accuracy.
thank you for nice video
if only there is a subtittles.
Coz english is not my native
So long as I have kibelius on sorc I can do anything.
🙂👍
I hate that succession seems to be overall better, the scythe is so cool, I dont want to abandon awakening.
Are you italian?
SCIOK
Ah ecco ahahahah, comunque bel video grazie!
Per caso posso aggiungerti su discord per chiederti alcune cose su bdo?
I hate "C" swapping. * shrug *
Don't C swap, use Midnight Stinger with the scythe and Rushing Crow with the amulet.
To me this games pvp seems less fun on the count of you have to turn everyone into shadows lol
Чел твое счастье, что ты на EU
Awakening is badass cause of the scythe but succ is just pure fun and the crows are fire I don't care makes me feel like an omen of death
Even though my character's name is Peach lol I'm an xbox player btw
The fact that I lose scythe it sucks... totally. You lose the sorc feeling and how it was intended to be played, with a damn looking cool as fuck scythe! But I don't do PVP as I hate that shit like cancer. I only like PVE so is still a hard choice, the lose of a cool thing just for more damage. Hmmm...
Heedun \o/ ♡
You got buffed again!... let sorc die and give someone else a turn lol. I dont even play DK and I want her to return to glory. Awk dk is far too cool to be as bad as it is (I'm on console)
your comment is amazing (i'm on meth)
@@tusuperior1012 was a joke other than the DK being cool and deserving to be better
and think that she is the weakest in the mobile version :c
Too bad im on console lmao
i will never play sorc but thanks anyway
succ is cancer boring in high end pve