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  • JAWS (1975) | MOVIE REACTION | FIRST TIME WATCHING
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  • @johnduval6377
    @johnduval6377 Рік тому +12

    Great reaction! You are fun to watch a movie with.

  • @FrancisXLord
    @FrancisXLord Рік тому +14

    There was no CGI in 1975. The shark was mechanical for some shots, intercut with footage of a real shark. Amity Island is fictitious, Martha's Vineyard was the actual place.
    I think the most remarkable aspect of the shooting of this film was that the stuff on the boat was shot on the actual ocean. Even films today avoid that, films before set on the ocean were shot in studio tanks. Spielberg insisted on shooting on the ocean - almost getting the film shut down because of how long it took to get each shot.
    Every time there was a yacht on the horizon, they had to shut down filming and wait for it to leave the horizon. By then the light had often changed or the boats had drifted, so they had to reposition the boats, all the time hoping another yacht wouldn't appear on the horizon. They couldn't just remove the yacht in post, like we could do today. No film set on the ocean was ever shot the honest way that this one was.

    • @cuethecommentary
      @cuethecommentary  Рік тому +2

      Absolutely incredible 😩❤️

    • @alanholck7995
      @alanholck7995 Рік тому +1

      And the mechanical shark was not very mechanically reliable. This is part of the reason you don't see it much, which adds to the suspense.

    • @d.-_-.b
      @d.-_-.b Рік тому +1

      "No film set on the ocean was ever shot the honest way that this one was." **Cough** Waterworld **cough** you mean no successful film… Jaws earned $272 million domestically from a $12 million budget. Waterworld went overbudget by $150 million (a total outlay of $235 million once marketing and distribution costs are factored in), then grossed $88 million at the North American box office. "The winds were terrible,” says one crew member. “Some days we couldn’t shoot at all.” Shots were often ruined by other boats on the horizon, and angles from inside the atoll sometimes caught glimpses of mountains in the distance - a Waterworld no-no.

    • @FrancisXLord
      @FrancisXLord Рік тому

      @@d.-_-.b I sit corrected.

  • @ThistleAndSea
    @ThistleAndSea Рік тому +4

    I was 14 the summer this came out. A bunch of us kids saw it together in the theater, you should have heard the screaming LOL! 😆 Fun rewatching this with you. Great job! Thanks for sharing, 🙂

  • @scottdarden3091
    @scottdarden3091 Рік тому +4

    There was no CGI in 1975. It's a mechanical shark 😊

  • @galandirofrivendell4740
    @galandirofrivendell4740 Рік тому +11

    That has got to be the most genuine and sincere reaction to Jaws that I have seen, and I've seen a lot. You reacted exactly as audiences did in the theaters back when this movie was released. You screamed when audiences screamed and cheered at the end like they did. Your reaction brought back memories of my seeing this in the cinema when I was in high school. Thank you for that.

  • @traceysullivan5357
    @traceysullivan5357 Рік тому +1

    I saw this movie in the theater opening week. I was 6 years old, my mother didn't want me to see it but I begged and begged because all my older sibl8ngs and cousins saw it. She took me to see it and I was chill for the whole movie until Quint. Thats when I lost it and was screaming and crying. My mom always regretted taking me.😂

  • @zedwpd
    @zedwpd Рік тому +4

    No CGI in 1975. All practical effects.

  • @edgarcia4794
    @edgarcia4794 Рік тому +3

    JAWS Was the first giant shark movie. Up until this time sharks in movies and t.v. were these dolphin sized fish so it came as a surprise to a lot of people that Great White's grew to 12 to 17 feet long and fisherman reported seeing them 20 feet long so the shark being 25 feet long in the movie could be believed.

    • @trhansen3244
      @trhansen3244 Рік тому

      The film Ace Ventura also featured a very large shark. I would estimate to be around 15 feet. Very large. Deep Blue Sea featured several sharks ranging from 20-150 feet. Meg featured two sharks. One was about 80 feet long. The other was nearly 250 feet. It was actually larger than a tanker in the film. I won't spoil how they resolve anything but it is a fun film.

  • @mortimerbrewster3671
    @mortimerbrewster3671 Рік тому +1

    I've lost count how many reactors I've seen watch Jaws and EVERY one of the said, "Not the dog." Rarely does anyone comment on the kid that was eaten a minute later. It's become the thing I watch for just to get a good laugh.

  • @galandirofrivendell4740
    @galandirofrivendell4740 Рік тому +1

    CGI did not exist in the mid-1970s. For that matter, neither did tabletop computers. What you saw was what was fabricated or otherwise created for the film.
    The movie does include some footage of real sharks, such as when one disappears into the gloom after passing Hooper's shark cage. In fact a real shark can be credited with saving Hooper's character from dying as he does in the novel.
    The idea was to have a shorter man about 4 feet tall get inside a smaller shark cage so that any real shark would look much larger as it passed by. However, a real shark got tangled up in the cage's cables, and the thrashing about you see in the movie was genuine. Spielberg loved the footage so much he decided to forego reshooting the scene with Hooper dying and kept the original footage. A quick rewrite of the script, and Hooper survived.

  • @georger.3489
    @georger.3489 Рік тому +3

    Great movie. The shark from hell, Steven Spielberg couldn't show the shark at the beginning because it wasn't working for months, always sinking on the ground :D

  • @jamesrowles9249
    @jamesrowles9249 Рік тому +1

    The movie was shot in Martha's Vineyard in Massachusetts. The people who live there still were extras in the movie, and had a couple staring roles. The people there are still very fond of the movie all these years later and how it made their little beach town so popular.

    • @DB-kl9bp
      @DB-kl9bp 8 місяців тому

      On Martha's Vineyard.

  • @classic_sci_fi
    @classic_sci_fi 5 днів тому

    There were a lot of breakdowns in the mechanical shark so we saw very little of it. Like Alien not knowing when it would pop up made it more scary!

  • @Al_NERi
    @Al_NERi 5 місяців тому

    It's ironic that for many years Hollywood standards very much looked down on zoom lens photography in films, considering it the hallmark of low budget European films. Yet one of the most potent and memorable moments in Jaws is the zoom-in on Martin's face as he witnesses the attack on the Kitner boy's raft. In the hands of masters like Spielberg and Martin Scorsese a once derided technique can work magic. Enjoyed the reaction.

  • @nativetexan9776
    @nativetexan9776 3 місяці тому

    The shark was a mechanical shark named Bruce. He is still on exhibition in Hollywood, I think.

  • @suebeawho6537
    @suebeawho6537 Рік тому +1

    I love love ur reaction😁

  • @QuisletEsq
    @QuisletEsq Рік тому +1

    A couple of things. Amity is based on Martha’s Vineyard and Cape Cod. Those towns earn all their money in the summer months. If the summer crowds don’t come then they will starve in the winter. That is the reason they wanted the beaches to stay open.
    Quinn wrecked the radio because he didn’t want anyone else to get the reward.
    Minor point. Coffee flavor ice cream is popular in New England. That is what Brody’s son was asking for, not a cup of coffee.

  • @kevinbejkoxdxd1514
    @kevinbejkoxdxd1514 Рік тому +1

    That’s actually not cgi, they used a robot shark for it which was made of parts and mechanisms to control the shark. The other shark at the end was malfunctioning, they nicknamed the shark “Bruce”.

  • @WheresWaldo05
    @WheresWaldo05 Рік тому +1

    Alot of people will consider this movie a classic. But i am in a small minority where this is my fav movie of all time. And for me i also believe the best character monologue scene is in this movie with Quint talking about the u.s.s. indianapolis. A movie with this type of plot should not be this good. But is!

  • @petconerd1984
    @petconerd1984 Рік тому

    No CGI for this one, they built not one but four different sharks for various shots. The one you saw pop out of the water, is a big old 25 foot model using pneumatic hoses to make it move. And this was made when Spielberg was a 27 year old director.

  • @grimreaper-qh2zn
    @grimreaper-qh2zn Рік тому +1

    No CGI in that year. It's a model.

  • @rickardroach9075
    @rickardroach9075 Рік тому

    22:27 Yup, that's CGI for sure! 🤣🤣

  • @edgarcia4794
    @edgarcia4794 Рік тому +1

    After this movie came out people wanted to see a great white for themselves so with my dad having a fishing boat out of Oceanside CA. I'd take people out to try and see one. Where there are Seals there is usually a great white close by.

    • @trhansen3244
      @trhansen3244 Рік тому

      Madness. Going out and seeking a great white. That's insanity. Those sharks can literally leap out of the water, grab a person and be back into the water within seconds, with a person being torn apart by its serrated sharp teeth.

  • @walterblackledge1137
    @walterblackledge1137 Рік тому +1

    No CGI back in the day. Its a mechanical shark

  • @scottdarden3091
    @scottdarden3091 Рік тому +3

    It's not greed to want to be able to pay your mortgage, feed your family and heat your home for the winter, it gets very cold in the northeast a lot of your relatives will die from lack of nutrition and cold. You close your beaches in the summer, there's not going to be any government bailout no pay check protection. You will be homeless and hungry.

  • @soldiermedic45
    @soldiermedic45 Рік тому +1

    All pratical affects. They had a mechanical shark named Bruce

    • @trhansen3244
      @trhansen3244 Рік тому

      I got to see one of them at Universal. Not quite as scary. But very large. It had been sitting out without any care for some years by the time we saw it. Looked in rough shape. Peeling, faded spots and frail limbs. Just like Joe Biden.

  • @DR-mq1vn
    @DR-mq1vn Рік тому +1

    This was 1975, no CGI back then. This was a huge mechanical fake shark they built.

    • @trhansen3244
      @trhansen3244 Рік тому

      Ironically enough, the very first CGI was used by Spielberg two years later in Close Encounters of the Third Kind.

  • @thehorrorfanx
    @thehorrorfanx Рік тому

    You have a beautiful smile. Thoroughly enjoyed your reaction. Just subbed.

  • @user-fk6wl9mq1f
    @user-fk6wl9mq1f 10 місяців тому

    Brody didn’t deserve to be slapped, the mayor deserved the slap and also I am surprised that the people didn’t make the mayor swim with the shark in this movie

  • @stevesheroan4131
    @stevesheroan4131 Рік тому

    Love that you love the ending scene. I agree that it’s one of the best ending scenes ever, right up there with The Thing. Both movies often have reactors complaining, but I think they are both perfect. What more story needs to be told in Jaws, other than they made it back to the beach safely? Anything beyond that is just filler IMO. Plus, that ends the movie on a shot of the ocean, which is arguably the biggest star of the film.
    Awesome, awesome reaction.

  • @YoureMrLebowski
    @YoureMrLebowski Рік тому

    9:27 "They bold. and they smart." 😮
    kinda scary story. not Quint's story scary, but still scary. 😬

  • @toodlescae
    @toodlescae Рік тому

    They did use real shark footage for parts of this but the close up shots of Bruce are different mechanical shark pieces. All practical not CGI. We had blue screen and green screen in the 70's but CGI was in it's infancy and very rudimentary back then. It's like comparing a computer back then to what we have now.

    • @trhansen3244
      @trhansen3244 Рік тому +1

      The real shark footage shot in Australia. They used a smaller cage and hired a small person, to make the shark even bigger. The take where the shark is tangled up in the cable? That was a rare take when the small diver didn't go in the cage. It ended up at the bottom of the ocean. The resulting footage is very impressive, though. The small diver took hours to calm down.

  • @DMichaelAtLarge
    @DMichaelAtLarge Рік тому +1

    Yes, sharks can "drown." Most species of sharks have to keep moving to keep the water flowing through their gills so they can extract oxygen from it. If Quint could get the shark into shallow enough water to maroon it so it couldn't swim, it would "drown" after all. Although "suffocate" would probably be a more accurate term, but we can forgive Quint saying "drown" in the spur of the moment.

  • @modern_memory
    @modern_memory Рік тому

    31:09 I smell Oscar material!

    • @trhansen3244
      @trhansen3244 Рік тому

      Did you know that Robert Shaw nearly drowned in that scene when he was taken under by the mechanical shark? There were two SCUBA divers that were supposed to take him out immediately but the shark went down faster than expected. Scary.

  • @evanirvana500
    @evanirvana500 Рік тому +1

    You cut out the best scene, quint talking about ww2 and the Indianapolis. That was considered one of the best movie speeches and scenes in history and you cut it. And no cgi in the 70s.

  • @waynet1022
    @waynet1022 Рік тому

    I'm glad you enjoyed this one. 🦈

    • @cuethecommentary
      @cuethecommentary  Рік тому +1

      Thank you for suggesting!!! This was soooo good! The type of scary movie I like 👍🏾

  • @mildredpierce4506
    @mildredpierce4506 Рік тому

    An early Steven Spielberg movie you might like is duel.

  • @spyklej4910
    @spyklej4910 Рік тому +1

    these are practical effects, not CGI

    • @spyklej4910
      @spyklej4910 Рік тому

      CGI wasn't available yet back then

  • @dipsydoodle7988
    @dipsydoodle7988 Рік тому

    This was probably one of the most 1975 reactions I've ever seen. 😂 This movie ruined the chance for a couple of generations from going near the water.

  • @matthewcostello3530
    @matthewcostello3530 Рік тому

    Martha's Vineyard Mass

  • @Starrylyra47
    @Starrylyra47 Рік тому

    I’d recommend you also react to jaws 2. It’s just as good. 3 and 4 enter into looney tune territory however

  • @JS-wp4gs
    @JS-wp4gs Рік тому +4

    Unfortunately the sequels are pretty bad. There was no CGI though, they had multiple versions of robotic sharks designed for different shots and it worked out pretty well. If theres one thing movies like this prove its practical effects are always better and should be used whenever its doable to use them. Movies have become way too dependent on loading everything up with unnecessary CGI. It should enhance practical effects and do things practical effects can't do instead of replace them
    They also did a good job on the less is more approach in not showing much of the shark until well into the movie. Way too many movies ruin the suspense early on by showing too much too quickly these days. Another good movie for that sort of thing is silver bullet. Where they only show bits and pieces of the werewolf through most of the movie and in specific ways like the eyes watching people or focused on the feet as its moving through the woods and a few POV shot kind of thing and you only actually see the whole thing 2 or 3 times close to the end. It lets the audience use their imagination and does alot for the suspense. Highly recommend that one to watch at some point as well

  • @jamesmcrae5327
    @jamesmcrae5327 Рік тому +1

    They built a shark. Not cgi.

  • @soldiermedic45
    @soldiermedic45 Рік тому

    Oh yeah. She should of slapped the Mayor, but the cheif took one for the team. Even if he tried to close the beach but was told he couldn't

  • @scottdarden3091
    @scottdarden3091 Рік тому

    Yes you can drown a shark, some sharks must keep moving to pump water through their gills to get oxygen.

    • @trhansen3244
      @trhansen3244 Рік тому

      Yes, sharks will drown since they cannot move their gills like other fish can. They have to keep moving or they will go into a coma. Just like Joe Biden.

  • @rickardroach9075
    @rickardroach9075 Рік тому

    17:52 So these two kids murdered Chrissy and the boy on the blowup? Off to Juvenile Hall!

  • @BigGator5
    @BigGator5 Рік тому +3

    "You're gonna need a bigger boat."
    Fun Fact: Several decades after the film's release, Lee Fierro, who played Mrs. Kintner, walked into a seafood restaurant and noticed "Alex Kintner Sandwich" on the menu. She commented that she had played his mother so many years ago; the owner of the restaurant ran out to meet her, and he was none other than Jeffrey Voorhees, who had played her son. They had not seen each other since the original movie shoot. I'm told Jeff stills own the restaurant at Martha's Vineyard and he loves talking to fans.
    Lost Attraction Fact: Quint's (Robert Shaw) boathouse set was built in Martha's Vineyard on an abandoned lot. The city council made the production crew sign an agreement to demolish it after filming and replace everything exactly as it had been, right down to the litter.
    Writing Ensemble Fact: Quint's tale of the USS Indianapolis was conceived by playwright Howard Sackler, lengthened by screenwriter John Milius and rewritten by Robert Shaw following a disagreement between screenwriters Peter Benchley and Carl Gottlieb. Shaw presented his text, and Benchley and Gottlieb agreed that this was exactly what was needed. It's widely considered the best scene of the movie.

  • @Hammarspiken
    @Hammarspiken Рік тому

    Hi Cue 👍🏼 i look when you reacting on the movie 🦈 JAWs🦈 i was scared like you for the sharks 1977 when i seen this movie. 🦈 Jaws 🦈 on cinema..but only one year after this movie i start working as a Scuba Diver all over the world 🌍 i was scared my first months..and i empty a tube air in 6 minutes as was made for 30 minuts ha ha ha ha 🤯 My Divers friend helped me to Relax and learning me that it is no problem because the Sharks 🦈 worst enemy is just humans the always swimming away from us 🦈 i have working in all Oceans in the world in 38 year and never been attacked so you can drop the scary way as Stephen Spielberg chosen us to believe It's long way from the truth..so i hope you enjoy beaches in the future.. Trafic and cars are killing people 30 times more then a sharks do and nobody screaming when they see👁️ a car 🚗🛻🚓🚕 but a shark 🦈🦈🦈🦈 all people screaming 🇸🇪❤️🇺🇲❤️🇸🇪. THX Cue 👍🏼 for a good reaction on JAWs 1 it is a good movie and it is Scary ❤ BUT IT'S JUST FANTASY STORY ❤️

  • @gallendugall8913
    @gallendugall8913 Рік тому

    "How did they make this? CGI?"
    There is a really good documentary on the making of this film. It was a disaster that almost pushed Spielberg to give up on filmmaking. The shark is mechanical and they had to use it much less than what the script demanded because it either didn't look right or more often it simply broke. The stuff on the boat was mostly shot on location so most shots will be from above or below so you can't see all the pleasure craft that are out on the water while they were filming. Some was filmed in one of those big tanks on a studio lot. If not for all the problems it would be a lesser film with many more shark attacks and much less character development.

    • @gallendugall8913
      @gallendugall8913 Рік тому

      Fun Fact! This film had the unfortunate side effect of triggering people to go out and kill sharks. Horrified by this response Peter Benchley, the author of the book the film is based on, created a non-profit organization to educate the public about the importance of sharks as well as fund shark research and conservation. It was his non-profit that raised the alarm on Chinese "fin harvesting" operations that were strip mining the world's oceans of sharks to satisfy demand generated by the Chinese superstitious belief that powdered shark fin cures (phrasing this so UA-cam doesn't freak out) being bad in bed.
      So this film ultimately funded greater understanding and protection of sharks.

  • @dahveed72
    @dahveed72 Рік тому

    Obviously there was no cgi in 1975. Come on now. This was acting and editing and a great score and a 27 year old genius director

  • @lanolinlight
    @lanolinlight 3 місяці тому

    They're gonna have to start teaching the history of CGI in school or else there will continue to be a world of confusion about pre-digital filmmaking.

  • @aranerem5569
    @aranerem5569 Рік тому

    Hello there

  • @01jonger
    @01jonger Рік тому

    are you gonna do the MCU journey?

  • @justjack0715
    @justjack0715 Рік тому

    AMITY ISLAND = MARTHA'S VINEYARD, MA.

  • @DB-kl9bp
    @DB-kl9bp 8 місяців тому +1

    Why are you glad the grieving mother slapped the chief? It's not his fault, he wanted the beaches closed. It's the mayor who insisted they stay open. Were you watching?

  • @jondishmonmusicandstuff2753
    @jondishmonmusicandstuff2753 11 місяців тому

    I notice you keep saying or shall I set you sad? Go to another beach when they did not. Wanna close the beaches, but you don't understand it. They live there, they work there, they have businesses there. There's no packing up. I building and moving it on some wheels to another beach. They can't do anything and they shut down the beaches they don't make any money

  • @scottdarden3091
    @scottdarden3091 Рік тому

    Yes people eat shark, Shark steaks are very good. Some places in Asia like shark fin soup. Normally served at weddings and special occasions.

  • @williamjones6031
    @williamjones6031 Рік тому

    1. Goof: Chrissie's body parts are too far up the beach to have been washed up there without a storm.
    2. Boy Scouts don't need to do the mile swim to get their Merit badge. It's an accomplishment all its own.
    3. Lee Fierro/Mrs. Kentner actually slapped Roy Scheider. It took 17 takes. Once was so hard it knocked his glasses off.
    4. The jump scare at Ben Gardner's boat was put in on purpose by Spielberg because they were having problems with the shark "Bruce" and his appearance was delayed, and the movie needed something earlier. Works every time.🤣🤣
    5. IRL Dreyfuss and Shaw didn't get along, so Spielberg used the animosity to fuel their feud onscreen.
    6. The boy that said, "He made me do it' is now the Police Chief of the town where this movie was filmed.
    7. Hooper was right. The fish that hit the line was a game fish.
    8. "You're gonna need a bigger boat" is one of the greatest adlibs in history. It was the first time Roy actually saw Bruce. It was an ongoing trope within the filming due to budgetary problems.
    9. Goof: An animal that large couldn't hit the side of the boat as rapidly as it did UNDER WATER.
    10. I suspect Quint's story about the Indy gave him PTSD flashbacks and contributed to his behavior after he told the story.
    11. I was in the Navy, and we were instructed to go for the eyes when confronting a shark.
    12. Aside from the pool used in the Ben Gardner boat scenes, all of the shipboard scenes were filmed entirely at sea,
    13. In the book not only does Hooper die but he was also having an affair with Mrs. Brody.
    14. JAWS II is the only other one worth watching. It revolves around the Brody kids and their friends. Including one of the mayors' kids.
    15 The third one was so bad that Scheider read the script and said NO.

  • @cleonmagabeefy8500
    @cleonmagabeefy8500 Рік тому

    Why would anyone swim in the ocean, would you go for a jog in the jungle???!!!

    • @trhansen3244
      @trhansen3244 Рік тому +1

      People go hiking all the time. Some end up being digested by bears. Or lions. These things happen and have been documented in my book Man v Nature: True Stories of People Dying While in Nature Places.

    • @cleonmagabeefy8500
      @cleonmagabeefy8500 Рік тому

      @@trhansen3244 thanks for proving my point!!!!

  • @jondishmonmusicandstuff2753

    No young lady this is on the East Coast off Martha's Vinyard please look it up. Also, the woman who slapped Broady died from Covic awhile back.

  • @jondishmonmusicandstuff2753
    @jondishmonmusicandstuff2753 Рік тому +8

    Ma'am. I'm sorry to have to keep correcting you but they did not have CGI back then that is Bruce the automated shark they had to build a shark and that shark gave them so many problems due to the salt water and so they had to stop and start. And stop and start so let me say this again. They did not have CGI in the seventies

    • @BoKnowsBrains
      @BoKnowsBrains Рік тому

      from all accounts it was a nightmare to film and should not have succeeded. the fact that Steven Spielberg was able to pull out a classic from what was filmed is a testament to his capabilities and cemented him among the pantheon of all time great directors.

  • @buddy3167
    @buddy3167 Рік тому

    Yes didn't you know sharks are known to walk up on beach and grab and eat people

  • @jondishmonmusicandstuff2753
    @jondishmonmusicandstuff2753 Рік тому +2

    Ma'am you're not understanding why they're upset about closing the beaches. They're upset because they own businesses on the beaches and they would lose. Money? If they. Close the beaches it's not about them going to another beach.

    • @scottdarden3091
      @scottdarden3091 Рік тому +1

      Loosing monies, that they need to pay their mortgage, feed their family and heat their homes for the winter. It gets very cold in the northeast many people will die.

  • @buddy3167
    @buddy3167 Рік тому

    Once again another stupid question but I'll answer it, yes sharks are known to blow up and come back to life to attack you

  • @buddy3167
    @buddy3167 Рік тому +1

    Ok seriously your questions are these movies are getting dummer and dummer let's movie was made in 1975 do you really think they had CGI that good, it's called they built a mechanical shark

    • @that.ll_do_pig
      @that.ll_do_pig Рік тому

      Says the guy that can't even spell _dumber_ . You are so rude on every one of her videos *you comment on. Why are you even here?